Re: Encoding of Numbers Composed of Decimal Digits (General Category of Nd)

2012-05-01 Thread Simon Montagu
On 04/30/2012 02:46 PM, Michael Probst wrote: Isn't this about encoding characters, mapping computer readable numbers to human readable characters (which may be digits), but not about encoding numbers, just as this is not about encoding words? Arabs store (and read, and understand) the least

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-05-01 Thread Andrew West
On 1 May 2012 03:48, suzuki toshiya mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: I wouldn't expect to see vertical modern standard Yi text in modern publications, other than perhaps newspapers. I got a scanned image of Liangshan Ribao (涼山日報), dated 2002/Mar/9, the vertical text is laid out without

Re: [unicode] Re: vertical writing mode of modern Yi?

2012-05-01 Thread suzuki toshiya
Yes, I will post my feedback to UTR#50 (in the forum for PRI#207) within several hours... It's a pity that no discussion was posted to your feedback on April 4th... Regards, mpsuzuki Andrew West wrote: On 1 May 2012 03:48, suzuki toshiya mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: I wouldn't expect to

Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread suzuki toshiya
Hi, In current draft of UTR#50, the properties for Canadian aboriginal syllabics are defined as U; S; S;. But seeing the PDFs like http://www.gov.nu.ca/save10/English/Documents/Newsletters/Newsletter%203/Newsletter%203%20-%20Inuktitut.pdf

Re: ece

2012-05-01 Thread anbu
Hi! I have prepared the flowchart for this decoding process and unrelated to the latter document, an illustration on the design of the encoding process, to which this is the decoding process. I wanted to attach it to this mail but due to the restrictions on the size of the mail posted in this

Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 May 2012, at 11:16, suzuki toshiya wrote: In current draft of UTR#50, the properties for Canadian aboriginal syllabics are defined as U; S; S;. But seeing the PDFs like http://www.gov.nu.ca/save10/English/Documents/Newsletters/Newsletter%203/Newsletter%203%20-%20Inuktitut.pdf

Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Andrew West
On 1 May 2012 12:27, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 1 May 2012, at 11:16, suzuki toshiya wrote: In current draft of UTR#50, the properties for Canadian aboriginal syllabics are defined as U; S; S;. But seeing the PDFs like

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread suzuki toshiya
Michael Everson wrote: I cannot exclude the possibility that this rotated text is forced by the limitation of printing software, but, the tuning of the positions for the small glyphs for glottal stop and final sounds (U+141C - U+142A, U+14D0 - U+14D2, etc etc) should be discussed if U is

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 May 2012, at 13:43, suzuki toshiya wrote: You cannot rotate Canadian Syllabics because when you do the letter-values change. The two examples you have shown are examples of extremely bad typographic choices. OK, where I can see good examples? I already mentioned crosswords.

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Jeremie Hornus
On 1 May 2012, at 12:16, suzuki toshiya wrote: Does anybody have manually written Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode? On 1 May 2012, at 14:57, Michael Everson wrote: vertical text in Canadian Syllabics should be presented. Please take my advice on this as an expert,

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread suzuki toshiya
Jeremie Hornus wrote: On 1 May 2012, at 12:16, suzuki toshiya wrote: Does anybody have manually written Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode? On 1 May 2012, at 14:57, Michael Everson wrote: vertical text in Canadian Syllabics should be presented. Please take my

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread mpsuzuki
On Tue, 1 May 2012 13:57:19 +0100 Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: As Andrew said, the examples you showed were not examples of vertical text layout. They were examples of somebody rotating a text box. Ahh, I see. On 1 May 2012, at 13:43, suzuki toshiya wrote: You cannot rotate

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread suzuki toshiya
Andrew West wrote: On 1 May 2012 12:27, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: On 1 May 2012, at 11:16, suzuki toshiya wrote: In current draft of UTR#50, the properties for Canadian aboriginal syllabics are defined as U; S; S;. But seeing the PDFs like

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-05-01, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: than it is in English, except in neon). The examples you showed were made by people who hadn't thought about what they were doing. Since Don't you think the native speakers might know what they're doing? Canadian Syllabics characters

Re: Unicode, SMS and year 2012

2012-05-01 Thread Sarasvati
Hello everyone: The discussion threads with the subjects Unicode, SMS, and year 2012 and ece are now closed. We have received some complaints about intellectual property concerns, and assertions of IP that were raised in this thread. All messages in the affected threads have been expunged from

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 May 2012, at 17:05, Julian Bradfield wrote: On 2012-05-01, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com wrote: than it is in English, except in neon). The examples you showed were made by people who hadn't thought about what they were doing. Since Don't you think the native speakers might

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Jeremie Hornus
On 1 May 2012, at 20:19, Michael Everson wrote: And I've worked with Inuktitut software localization and with encoding and fonts for syllabics since the 1990s, so I would like to suggest that I know something about the subject. Good you suggest ! You are obviously THE expert in here; and

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Ken Whistler
On 5/1/2012 11:19 AM, Michael Everson wrote: It does not matter if sideways text can be read as words, or just as gibberish. Good practice and typographic design will not rotate syllabic text because of the inherent confusability. Michael has a generally valid point. Rotating *small*

Re: [unicode] Re: Canadian aboriginal syllabics in vertical writing mode

2012-05-01 Thread Asmus Freytag
I don't understand what the ruckus is about. Looking at the samples, simple observation yields two points: a) the little superscript letters give an immediate and powerful guide to the eye. There simply is no way you can be confused as to the writing direction of a text snippet (as apposed to

Re: Writing Babylonian Numbers in Unicode

2012-05-01 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:42:51 -0700 Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: On 4/30/2012 3:33 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: One is not compelled to construct U+3039 (〹) ,twenty' from two U+3038 (〸) ,ten', so a CUNEIFORM TWO U may well be missing. It looks as though it is. No, it isn't.

Notice of brief Unicode.org system outage on Friday

2012-05-01 Thread Rick McGowan
Due to some electrical work, the Unicode web servers will be off line for as much as 2 hours 2am to 4am US Central time, Friday May 4.

Re: Encoding of Numbers Composed of Decimal Digits (General Category of Nd)

2012-05-01 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 05/01/2012 04:15 AM, Simon Montagu wrote: On 04/30/2012 02:46 PM, Michael Probst wrote: I don't think people writing Ivrit or Arabic perceive their writing as bidirectional. In my experience, people writing Hebrew do write and read numbers left-to-right. An obvious example is telephone