with disabilities. The
Audio Description, Subtitle, Signing logos issue has been posted in both of
these forums. Please enquire at [EMAIL PROTECTED] by email if you are
interested. Membership is also free for that forum.
William Overington
17 July 2003
Peter Constable wrote as follows.
>William Overington wrote on 07/15/2003 05:33:22 AM:
>
>> >William, CENELEC is an international standards body. Such bodies either
>> >create their own standards or use other international standards. They do
>> >not use PUA codepo
Peter Constable wrote as follows.
>William Overington wrote on 07/15/2003 07:22:22 AM:
>
>> No, the Private Use Area codes would not be used for interchange, only
>> locally for producing an elegant display in such applications as chose to
>> use them. Other applica
aphy file approach would be suitable
for those platforms and for various other platforms.
I am hoping that the eutocode typography file approach with display glyphs
added into the Private Use Area will be a useful technique in many areas,
including, yet not limited to, interactive broadcasting.
William Overington
15 July 2003
e. Likewise the code points for a chess font,
particularly those for chess variants such as Carrera's Chess. However, the
symbols for Audio Description, Subtitle, Signing have very widespread use
possibilities and so posting my suggested code point allocations for them
here in a short note seemed, and
.
William Overington
14 July 2003
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Combining diacriticals and Cyrillic
>Dear Ladys and Gentlemen,
>
>Currently there
point suggestions are simply to help in achieving
consistency in the mean time.
U+F2F0, decimal 62192, Audio Description
U+F2F1, decimal 62193, Subtitle
U+F2F2, decimal 62194, Signing
William Overington
14 July 2003
need for checks and balances. I
feel that we need checks and balances in what is encoded and what names are
applied to symbols. I also feel that we need checks and balances as to how
those checks and balances are carried out.
William Overington
26 June 2003
e may well still be
great problems.
William Overington
26 June 2003
the job done for people's needs rather than having the sort of delays which
might have been acceptable in days gone by. The idea of having to use the
Private Use Area for a period after the characters have been accepted is
just a nonsense.
William Overington
26 June 2003
HANDICAPPED SIGN so as to take account of
these concerns. For me, WHEELCHAIR SYMBOL seems fine as the name simply
describes the symbol. However, it may be that other people might have other
views on the name.
William Overington
25 June 2003
advantaged by the use of such a symbol in a database?
An Orwellian nightmare scenario of just encoding the symbols and "leaving it
to" people who use Unicode as to how they use the symbols is not attractive.
William Overington
24 June 2003
wered, then the person who starts the
Yahoo group could be liable for the cost of Yahoo's lawyers.
William Overington
5 June 2003
Peter Constable wrote as follows.
>William Overington wrote on 06/02/2003 01:06:25 AM:
>
>> I am wondering whether the range from U+F200 through to U+F2FF is being
>used
>> by anyone for anything.
>
>This is a nonsense question. It should never matter to person
yone for
anything perhaps he or she might draw attention to the fact in this forum
please.
William Overington
2 June 2003
to shout down progress in the application of Unicode when one of them has
now posted a logo into the mailing list, which would seem to violate his own
non-Sarasvati-but-act-like-they-are-without-a-mandate ruling. As I say, I
don't mind the logo postings myself.
William Overington
30 May 2003
that
invention is now at the centre of digital interactive television systems and
the word telesoftware is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
William Overington
28 May 2003
ATICAL ITALIC THETA SYMBOL.
U+1D719 MATHEMATICAL ITALIC PHI SYMBOL for phi, rather than using U+1D711
MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL PHI.
I seem to remember a discussion in this group about the two versions of phi
in relation to ordinary Greek characters some time ago.
William Overington
4 April 2003
s having
checking might end up causing problems as time goes on.
William Overington
4 April 2003
ackages for distance education, remains for
the future, yet the option remains open.
William Overington
4 April 2003
ry basis pending making a formal encoding application.
In either case, reading about the Private Use Area in Chapter 13 of the
Unicode specification available from the http://www.unicode.org webspace may
prove interesting.
William Overington
4 April 2003
LEAF OF SAGE
These should be enough to get started in experimenting with the way that
Private Use Area characters from plane 16 can be applied and finding out
what the problems are in relation to any particular platforms, file formats
and font technologies.
William Overington
3 April 2003
? The right to left
display of Arabic text is another factor which needs consideration in
relation to the DVB-MHP system.
Thank you for your interest.
William Overington
3 April 2003
or posting details of an interesting program which is a catalyst
for interest in applying the higher planes of Unicode.
William Overington
3 April 2003
forum.
DigitalTV_WJGO0005_Languages_of_the_Indian_subcontinent.txt
A transcript of the text of the document is below.
William Overington
2 April 2003
Displaying languages of the Indian subcontinent upon the DVB-MHP platform.
I wonder if I may please draw your attention to a potential
encoding
might be produced by a few interested people fairly quickly, perhaps in this
thread or in some email correspondence. Once that is done, then font
support could gradually be produced.
William Overington
29 March 2003
great lack of surviving early
printing type, which has always seemed strange to me, as well as
unfortunate.
William Overington
28 March 2003
please so that the g_ct name could be used in the manner which
you suggest?
William Overington
19 March 2003
nt program, though I am
considering a Unicode version yet wondering quite how best to encode it.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/OLD_NEW_.TTF
William Overington
18 March 2003
ave thought that whether the Unicode Consortium will take
this project on or not should go to a formal board meeting of the Unicode
Consortium so that there can be no doubt whatsoever of the provenance of any
decision.
William Overington
17 March 2003
esent, but maybe once this posting goes around
the world lots of people might think about it and maybe someone can get it
done.
William Overington
15 March 2003
ime deadline, particularly if the alternative is
that it does not get done at all.
William Overington
14 March 2003
at the http://www.unicode.org webspace.
Also, if unchanged, is that a matter of continuing stability for future
issues as well, or is it just for Unicode 4.0 please?
William Overington
14 March 2003
expect that many readers of this list already know that, yet I feel that I
should post this note in case some readers do not because I would not want
to have set them off on a wrong way of looking at how a system works.
William Overington
14 March 2003
Quest text is to display
some text at 12 point in WordPad, make a Print Screen graphic and paste it
into Paint and then study the graphic at 8x magnification. Hopefully Quest
text combines great clarity with an artistic look.
William Overington
13 March 2003
ore I added either of
lowercase y and g, which in fact go down to -512 font units in Quest text,
so the U+E700 character within the font helps in the display process even
though the character is not usually displayed, though it can be displayed
for test purposes if desired.
William Overington
12 March 2003
ofty are available at the following
web page.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/font7001.htm
William Overington
10 March 2003
appropriate body to produce such a list, if there
should be interest in the production of such a list.
I would be pleased to know the views of people within this group as to
whether such a list would be of advantage to typographers and others
involved in computerized typography.
.
William Overington
3 March 2003
of various
types.
William Overington
24 February 2003
monochrome.
William Overington
22 February 2003
he typecaster window. However, it is
not clear to me as to how those characters are stored in the font itself,
that is whether they use Unicode layout or an older layout.
William Overington
21 February 2003
out the executable
programs with some other data files. In the meantime I would be interested
to know any further views of Marco and the views of others on this topic.
Thank you for taking the time to write your post and prepare the programs.
I feel that it is important that this matter be studied thoroughly.
William Overington
21 February 2003
around the world.
William Overington
18 February 2003
technological progress.
William Overington
Monday 17 February 2003
ther regular Unicode
codes or Private Use Area codes. This could be changed so that characters
are either regular Unicode codes, or reserved Unicode codes or Private Use
Area codes, with reserved Unicode codes all being in plane 14.
William Overington
15 February 2003
declared an area considered as deprecated in general terms, yet where codes
for use with particular protocols can be defined by the Unicode Technical
Committee, so that the potential for using such futuristic developments and
encoding them within the Unicode framework is preserved?
William Overington
ntirely reasonable that the Unicode Technical Committee could
possibly at some future meeting define one or more additional types of tag
within the unused lower part of plane 14 within the ring-fenced reserved
area.
William Overington
13 February 2003
ows.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo
William Overington
7 February 2003
ut the knowledge
which might have constrained my thoughts had I previously known about the
various documents and examples beyond the plain black rectangle. A sort of
primitive art, unconstrained by the chains of knowing about what is usually
expected of such a design?
William Overington
8 November 2002
the decision of the Unicode Technical Committee has already been
finalized?
William Overington
8 November 2002
her detailed information as to which character or
characters, how many times for each, and on which pages and lines.
>17 times if there are 17
>instances of < c, ZWJ, t > that are not rendered as a ct ligature?
No, just the once.
>Not on
>my system, thank you.
Certainly not!
Thank you for explaining the matter about the TrueType fonts.
William Overington
7 November 2002
Michael Everson wrote as follows.
>At 18:29 + 2002-11-06, William Overington wrote:
>
>>Thank you for the design brief.
>
>Oh, my stars.
If anyone wants to make a graphic involving stars using Microsoft paint, he
or she might like to have a look at th
Doug Ewell wrote as follows.
William Overington
wrote:
> Here is my design.
> ...
> Point 1 is at (0,0) and is on the curve.
> Point 2 is at (0,2n) and is off the curve.
> Point 3 is at (2n,2n) and is on the curve.
> ...
>I can't visualize this without knowing which
In
addition, the design has white space set out in a manner such that where
several copies of the glyph appear in sequence on a page of text, they are
easily counted.
I hope that you like the design.
William Overington
6 November 2002
John Hudson wrote as follows.
>At 02:18 11/5/2002, William Overington wrote:
Not at 02:18, it was 09:18.
>
>>Well, I suppose it depends upon what one means by a file format that
>>supports Unicode. The TrueType format does not support the ZWJ method and
>>thus does not
Thomas Lotze wrote as follows.
>William Overington wrote:
>
>> I don't know for certain but I suspect that it is that font designers
>> do this so that people can use an application such as Microsoft Paint
>> to produce an illustration using the font. In the absen
articles about using WordPad and Paint to produce graphic
effects with large characters and gold textures and so on in our family
webspace, together with the gold texture file and some other texture files
too.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo
William Overington
4 November 2002
ed in Chapter 13, section 13.5 of the Unicode
specification. There is a file named ch13.pdf available from one of the
pages in the http://www.unicode.org website.
The main index page of our family web site is as follows.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo
William Overington
2 November
h word "yes".
Thus, I suggest that the three formats could be UTF-8, UTF-8J and UTF-8N,
which would solve the problem in a manner which, being based upon a neutral
language, will hopefully be acceptable to all.
William Overington
2 November 2002
sh,
after further discussion in this group, my feeling is that that sequence may
well become well known and accepted for the purpose very quickly, simply
because where there is a need for such a sequence then, in the absence of
any good reason not to do so, people will often happily use the sugg
suggestion, but, if the
general idea is thought good, I am sure that one of the experts on this list
could codify it properly.
William Overington
30 October 2002
ion, as
headings and paragraphs can be set out.
William Overington
30 October 2002
to
be considered at the Unicode Technical Committee meeting after that meeting,
so that there is the time and opportunity for widespread consideration to
take place.
William Overington
29 October 2002
John Cowan commented.
>William Overington scripsit:
>
>> It seems to me that deprecating these language tags might be a bad thing
as
>> the language tags could well have potential use in plain text files on
the
>> DVB-MHP (Digital Video Broadcasting - Multimedia Ho
John Hudson commented.
>At 02:46 10/26/2002, William Overington wrote:
>
>>I don't know whether you might be interested in the use of a small letter
a
>>with an e as an accent codified within the Private Use Area, but in case
you
>>might be interested, the web
webspace is as follows.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo
William Overington
29 October 2002
://forum.mhp.org website.
William Overington
26 October 2002
ccent as U+E7B4 so that both variants
may coexist in a document encoded in a plain text format and displayed with
an ordinary TrueType font.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo
William Overington
25 October 2002
y people who might be
interested in some concept proving experiments can hopefully have a go at
some fascinating experiments with this technology. Unicode can be used to
encode many langauges and it will be interesting to find out what can be
achieved using the comet circumflex system.
William Overington
27 September 2002
Peter Constable wrote as follows.
>
>On 09/26/2002 03:42:16 AM "William Overington" wrote:
>
Well, it might have been 03:42:16 AM where you are, indeed it probably was,
as Dallas is six hours behind England on the clock, but I would not want
people to think that I write my
Peter Constable commented as follows.
>
>On 09/26/2002 06:05:45 AM "William Overington" wrote:
Dallas is 6 hours behind England on the clock.
>
>I'm going to refrain from commenting on anything beyond the markup issues
As you wish. Though did you stick to tha
tion clear just in case
anyone had thought that in some way it might.
>and confers no rights.
What rights are being referred to here?
William Overington
27 September 2002
ese ideas will be successful or fruitless is
something which cannot presently be determined.
William Overington
26 September 2002
Peter Constable commented as follows.
>On 09/25/2002 05:55:02 AM "William Overington" wrote:
>
>>For example, I am looking at using the following sequence so as to produce
>a
>>special purpose key within documents.
>>
>>U+2604 U+0302 U+20E3
>>
otentially to any problems over a rendering
system recognizing the character as being a combining character (please know
that I have no specific reason to think that it would, it is just a
possibility about which I wondered when considering various uses of the
Private Use Area).
William Overington
25 September 2002
document U02D0.pdf that U+20E4 is shown, in
the listing, in magenta whereas U+20DF is shown in black. Could someone say
what significance the magenta colouring in the document has please? Is it
perhaps to indicate additions since the previous issue of the document?
William Overington
25 September
for the
bibliographic work I feel that a new character of a COMBINING DOUBLE
INVERTED BREVE WITH DOT ABOVE might be a good solution.
William Overington
25 September 2002
Kenneth Whistler wrote, as part of a longer response to my original posting.
>William Overington asked:
[snip]
>> I wonder if consideration could please be given as to whether this matter
>> should be left unregulated or whether some level of regulation should be
>> used.
that, say, an Arial letter b looks different to a
Bookman Old Style letter b, yet in that case the meaning is the same.
I wonder if consideration could please be given as to whether this matter
should be left unregulated or whether some level of regulation should be
used.
William Overington
18
and songs settable
using Microsoft WordPad and Microsoft Paint on Windows 95 machines? Would
that produce additional facilities for end users of Windows 95 machines?
William Overington
12 September 2002
ate Use Area allocation
please?
William Overington
9 September 2002
ot use an advanced format font by means
of the receiving software automatically producing a temporary local document
wherein the U+E707 code is used instead of the c ZWJ t sequence of the
transmitted document.
How difficult is that benchmark to achieve please? Is it a major software
development or could it be written into a macro by a knowledgeable person
within a few hours?
William Overington
6 September 2002
be
a huge incentive to people who are not currently employed in the typography
field and cannot realistically attend a full time course yet who would value
the opportunity to gain professional quality skills and experience.
This could be a wonderful opportunity!
William Overington
31 August 2002
y be that there would need to be more than one list, so as to provide
for various specialised areas of activity without making a general list too
large.
Do you think that such a published list or lists would be useful?
William Overington
31 August 2002
Peter Constable wrote as follows.
>On 08/27/2002 12:08:09 AM "James Kass" wrote:
>
>>William Overington has mentioned the Softy editor. Please keep
>>in mind that fonts are copyrighted material, and, mostly users
>>are forbidden to modify them, even for intern
rent documents about other ligatures already in the golden ligatures
collection can be found from the following introduction and index page.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/golden.htm
William Overington
27 August 2002
m to appear, yet SC UniPad
would seem like a good way to key in the text, ready to copy and paste it
into another program which would be used to display the thus keyed text
using a font of your choice.
William Overington
26 August 2002
availability of SC UniPad 0.99.
William Overington
26 August 2002
they make any decision
which may affect end users.
Is there an official press spokesperson for the meeting please?
William Overington
21 August 2002
g
"Painting two birds on one canvas". It is not the picture in the story
about which Ken asked.
I am interested in creative writing, so when Ken asked about the story, I
just thought of something to put in my response. Part of the training in,
and the fun of, creative writing is to be able to write something promptly
to a topic.
The two birds are not a metaphor for HTML and Unicode at all. Ken put two
illustrations in his posting so I put one in mine. It all adds to the
interest for readers.
William Overington
16 August 2002
James Kass wrote as follows.
>William Overington wrote,
>
>>
>> No, it is a story about an artist who wanted to paint a picture of a
horse
>> and a picture of a dog and, since he knew that the horse and the dog were
>> great friends and liked to be together and al
;purrmisuhbal". That doesn't mean that it would be a good idea
>to do so, but the standard does not preclude you from doing so.
>You could even write a rendering algorithm which would display the
>sequence of Unicode characters with the glyphs
>{permissible} if you so choose.
>
>--Ken
>
Well, who is this "you", certainly not me! :-)
Thank you for your response, which has been very helpful.
William Overington
16 August 2002
there is no question that the publication of a .uof
file specification by the Unicode Consortium would prejudice the rights of
anyone to use the U+FFFC character in any other manner.
Publication of such a .uof file specification would also prevent U+FFFC
being made into a noncharacter and keep th
standard locks
together the two parts of the annotation sequence and shows that one of the
parts is the annotation for the other part.
William Overington
15 August 2002
.
ligatures and abbreviations to add into the golden
ligatures collection are also welcome.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/golden.htm
William Overington
14 August 2002
rward idea like this might mean that the
possibility to exchange U+FFFC characters at all if people want to do so is
not lost.
>Everybody will welcome the new conventional, graphical-type characters
>and scripts that are coming with Unicode 4.0.
What are those please?
William Overington
14 August 2002
ould someone possibly say something about how
and why U+034F COMBINING GRAPHEME JOINER is used please?
William Overington
14 August 2002
ly questionable usage of PUA that I can think of is duplicating
>existing characters. But this would be an absurd deed. Your other proposal
>of defining PUA ligatures goes near to this, but not quite.
Well, I did not define codes for long s t ligature and st ligature in the
golden ligatures collection because they are already in regular Unicode.
Thank you for your help.
William Overington
14 August 2002
erful computational technique and hopefully in the next few
years will begin to fulfil its potential. There is much to be done, yet it
is an exciting field and Unicode is a key feature in being able to use it
effectively throughout the world.
Thank you for your help.
William Overington
14 August 2002
ne's request for something
as "not unreasonable" rather than as "reasonable". A distinction of the use
of the English language where Boolean alternatives are not quite the case.
Thank you for your help.
William Overington
14 August 2002
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