Mark Davis wrote:
awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of
feet per mile don't
vary depending on which mile one is talking about!
A Danish mile is 7 km, a Swedish mile (a fairly popular
distance measure here) is 10 km, and an English mile is
a mere 1.6 km (approx.). So
On 20/08/2003 04:58, Kent Karlsson wrote:
Mark Davis wrote:
awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles, the number of
feet per mile don't
vary depending on which mile one is talking about!
A Danish mile is 7 km, a Swedish mile (a fairly popular
distance measure here) is 10 km, and an
Peter Kirk wrote:
[...] I guess English legs tended to be longer than Roman
ones.
Well, if by English you mean those Germanic barbarians who invaded
Britannia, I guess that the British mile existed way before they set their
feet on the island...
_ Marco
Doug Ewell wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500
mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now
officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO
working group.
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose
Difference Is So Small
On 19/08/2003 02:51, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
Doug Ewell wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500
mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now
officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO
working group.
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric
Marco Cimarosti schreef:
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be
kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen
the
following sign:
TOILETS ---
50 yds (45.72 m)
It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28
Message-
From: Marco Cimarosti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:51 AM
To: 'Doug Ewell'; Unicode Mailing List
Cc: Michael Everson
Subject: RE: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign)
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote:
You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether!
What a superb idea.
--
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Marco Cimarosti scripsit:
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose
Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless.
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the
Michael Everson scripsit:
At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote:
You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether!
What a superb idea.
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard abolished.
--
Do I contradict myself?
At 08:41 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
At 13:18 +0200 2003-08-19, Pim Blokland wrote:
You might as well suggest we abolish the yard altogether!
What a superb idea.
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit:
However, Esperanto was not entirely successful in its goal to become a
second language for everyone, given that more people speak Klingon than
Esperanto,
Entirely false. Esperanto speakers are numbered in the millions, including
hundreds, perhaps thousands, who
Michael Everson scripsit:
'Sblood, nay! I love the metric system as well as any, but have no
desire to have my yard abolished.
It shall pass the way of the cubit and the stadia
Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just
how much you wish to have it abolished.
Pim Blokland wrote:
It must be a really urgent need if one cares about those 3.28
metres...
4.28 actually.
Ooops.
But are you serious about lengthening the yard to be the same size
as the meter?
I was just joking...
Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard
Marco Cimarosti marco dot cimarosti at essetre dot it wrote:
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK or Ireland I have seen the
following sign:
TOILETS ---
50 yds (45.72 m)
Around the 1970s, it became
on 2003-08-19 02:51 Marco Cimarosti wrote:
TOILETS ---
50 yds (45.72 m)
To be precise, it should have said 50.00 yards (or perhaps 46 m).
--
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Mockingbird Font Works http://www.mockfont.com/
At 08:37 -0700 2003-08-19, Doug Ewell wrote:
Around the 1970s, it became fashionable for baseball stadiums to display
field dimensions on the outfield walls in meters as well as feet.
Because of the Canadians?
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
on 2003-08-19 04:18 Pim Blokland wrote:
Ha! Fat chance! You might as well suggest we abolish the yard
altogether!
Then, how would I have a yard sale? (or even a yard sail?)
--
Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/
Mockingbird Font Works
At 10:39 -0400 2003-08-19, John Cowan wrote:
Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just
how much you wish to have it abolished.
It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the
metric system.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * *
At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of
the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the Paris
meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century ago
!
Maybe the U.S. could be bribed to go metric if they were allowed to
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:41 PM
To: Marco Cimarosti
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SPAM: Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re:
Handwritten EURO sign)
It's bad enough
Michael Everson scripsit:
Michael. Look up yard in that OED of yours. Then tell me again just
how much you wish to have it abolished.
It will be a great day when the US finally accepts and implements the
metric system.
I agree entirely.
--
One Word to write them all, John
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:46 PM, Raymond Mercier wrote:
At some time in the 70's when I was at conference to mark the centenary of
the Greenwich meridian I learned that the French agreed to give up the
Paris
meridian if the British agreed to go metric-and that was over a century
ago
!
://www.macchiato.com
Eppur si muove
- Original Message -
From: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:15
Subject: Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign)
Michael Everson scripsit
Ted Hopp writes
Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever happened
to French Revolutionary Metric Time?
The other French attempts were less successful, such as the 12 30-day
months. The French names for the months Vendmiaire, etc., were parodied in
an English version:
John Cowan recently said:
Marco Cimarosti scripsit:
You could generalize it a bit: Alignment Of Metric And Imperial Units Whose
Difference Is So Small As To Be Pointless.
E.g., I never understood why on earth metres and yards should be kept
different. In a public park somewhere in UK
Mark,
Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible
non-decimal measurement
system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit
vary all across
the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31 : 1, 12 : 1,
365..366 : 1 --
awful. At least with inches, feet, and miles,
Timothy Partridge scripsit:
In the UK the inch is now defined as 25.4mm rather than a subdivision of a
standard yard kept under lock and key.
True enough, but the yard is still exactly 36 inches.
--
If you have ever wondered if you are in hell, John Cowan
it has been said, then you
Ted Hopp wrote:
Sorry, it would have to be Greenbank, not Washington.
Greenbank. Hm... has a nice ring to it. Greenbank... Greenbank Mean
Time. I could live with that.
On a (hardly) more serious note, Mark Davis wrote:
this horrible non-decimal measurement system the US
has for time: the
Carl W. Brown scripsit:
I also have a hard time remembering that a Hundredweight c.w.t is
112 pounds. I am glad that it is not in common usage.
The Imperial cwt is indeed 112 lb, but the U.S. customary cwt remains 100 lb.
But working on a house with feet, inches and fractions drives me
John,
A kilosec is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a late appointment
(in some countries, anyhow).
A megasec is enough time to do a small project.
If a marriage lasts a gigasec, it is doing very well.
1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years
1 calabtun = 20
Resending with the correct address...
On 19/08/2003 13:49, Carl W. Brown wrote:
Mark,
Yes, I am sick and tired of dealing with this horrible
non-decimal measurement
system the US has for time: the number of units per other unit
vary all across
the board: 60..61 : 1, 60 : 1, 24 : 1, 28..31
Curtis == Curtis Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marco TOILETS --- 50 yds (45.72 m)
Curtis To be precise, it should have said 50.00 yards (or perhaps 46 m).
Actually, 50 only has one significant digit, so that would
in fact round to 50 m afterall.
-JimC
Ted Hopp ted at newslate dot com wrote:
Since we're speaking of the French (we are, aren't we?) what ever
happened to French Revolutionary Metric Time?
It was revived in 1998, but the meridian was moved to Switzerland, the
day was divided into 1000 beats instead of 10 hours of 100 minutes
Ted Hopp ted at newslate dot com wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just
as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems
like a good task for an ISO working group.
Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to drink.
Thus promoting
For what it's worth, in America, you spell it meter; in England, you spell
it metre.
Jill
-Original Message-
From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?)
SI units already have
From: Ted Hopp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:48 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at
500 mL,
500 ml (lowercase for the official liter symbol)
just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially
750 mL?
750
Philippe Verdy scripsit:
Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to
drink.
Do you mean drunk here? At least that person should not be
authorized to drive after 66 cl (or two 33cl bottles),
Drive [someone] to drink means frustrate or annoy [someone]
sufficiently that he
On 16/08/2003 21:51, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Note that USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand are members,
even if they often can use legally or most usually the British
system (miles, weight pounds, gallons, degrees Fahrenheit...)
USA and UK do use this alternative system, except that the US gallon
Peter Kirk scripsit:
USA and UK do use this alternative system, except that the US gallon is
different from the British one (exactly 20% smaller I think),
For the record, it's true that the Imperial gallon has 20 fluid ounces
and the Fred Flintstone gallon only 16, *but* it's also true that
John Cowan remarked...
Of course it's
the *pint* (8 pints to a gallon) that is 16 or 20 fluid ounces.
Which explains to me why a pint of bitter in England seems quite so
enormous... well for a small Yank... ;-)
Rick
At 18:01 -0400 2003-08-17, John Cowan wrote:
Yup. Hence also the Brit's complaint about the metric system: a liter
of beer is too much, half a liter isn't enough, but a pint, ah, that's
just right. The Imperial pint is .57 liters, whereas the Flintstone one
is only .47 liters.
A half-litre can
On 17/08/2003 15:16, Michael Everson wrote:
At 18:01 -0400 2003-08-17, John Cowan wrote:
Yup. Hence also the Brit's complaint about the metric system: a liter
of beer is too much, half a liter isn't enough, but a pint, ah, that's
just right. The Imperial pint is .57 liters, whereas the
Michael Everson everson at evertype dot com wrote:
Yup. Hence also the Brit's complaint about the metric system: a
liter of beer is too much, half a liter isn't enough, but a pint, ah,
that's just right. The Imperial pint is .57 liters, whereas the
Flintstone one is only .47 liters.
A
Doug Ewell scripsit:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as
a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a
good task for an ISO working group.
Arrgh. Shall we return to a firkin of beer in London being one size,
a firkin of wine in London
On Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:48 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as
a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a
good task for an ISO working group.
Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to drink.
Ted
On 2003.08.14, 00:52, Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the dollar sign can be used for currencies other than the USD,
even for some which name is not even dollar, then I suppose there is
a theoreitical possiblity that it may be used as a symbol of euro cent
(though I
On 2003.08.14, 05:24, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin scripsit:
Some habits are indeed language dependant, but some others are just
tradition (some of it imposed as logic and correct decades ago, like
compulsive caseless singular for SI units in speech), and
From: Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?)
On 2003.08.14, 05:24, John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin scripsit:
Some habits are indeed language
Not pausing to wonder why on earth this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
currently discussing my country's currencies, only to wonder if anyone
here knows whether Ireland is the only EU country which has to use two -
in Belfast we use Pounds Sterling (£), and in Dublin euro ().
mg
ps.
To
At 11:47 +0100 2003-08-15, Marion Gunn wrote:
Not pausing to wonder why on earth this list
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is currently discussing my
country's currencies, only to wonder if anyone
here knows whether Ireland is the only EU
country which has to use two - in Belfast we use
Pounds Sterling
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Subject: Re: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?)
Not pausing to wonder why on earth this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
currently discussing my country's currencies, only to wonder if anyone
here knows whether Ireland is the only EU country which has to use two -
in Belfast we use Pounds Sterling
On 15/08/2003 04:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's more, in the Isle of Man (which is situated between Britain and
Ireland) they accept pretty much any currency under the sun. You can pay for
things in a mixture of pounds sterling, euro, US dollars, whatever. They
don't care. Shops will just
From: Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Agreed. But it's not a member or part of the EU, or of the UK, like
the
Channel Islands - which makes them all convenient tax havens. It is
self-governing, with the oldest Parliament in the world I understand.
I thought it was in Iceland...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit:
What's more, in the Isle of Man (which is situated between Britain and
Ireland) they accept pretty much any currency under the sun. You can pay for
things in a mixture of pounds sterling, euro, US dollars, whatever. They
don't care. Shops will just take anything,
John Cowan cowan at mercury dot ccil dot org wrote:
In 19th century California, it was common for things to cost 12.5
cents, although the U.S. has never made coins for this amount, nor for
0.5 cents either.
The U.S. did indeed make half-cent coins, from 1793 through 1857.
However, they
Doug Ewell scripsit:
In 19th century California, it was common for things to cost 12.5
cents, although the U.S. has never made coins for this amount, nor for
0.5 cents either.
The U.S. did indeed make half-cent coins, from 1793 through 1857.
Well, I guess this is my version of a troll,
At 23:35 +0200 2003-08-05, Pim Blokland wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You are lucky not having to put up with bad English like five euro
and six cent, living in the Netherlands and speaking Dutch as you
do. See http://www.evertype.com/standards/euro if you wish to
On 14/08/2003 09:54, Michael Everson wrote:
Lepton in Greek was accepted from the beginning.
Leptó pl leptá.
The same word as the original widow's mite (Mark 12:42). Probably worth
even less now!
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De: Marco Cimarosti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote:
After all the euro is a common currency and its figures should be
written in a common way.
Why?
Very good question. Multilingual countries like Belgium or Canada already
were or are
James H. Cloos Jr. wrote:
Anto'nio == Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anto'nio (Let alone the validity of things
Anto'nio like k, c etc.)
I'm sure things like m, k, M and even G will come into use,
though I expect more will use them in front of the digits.
I certainly use
At 00:52 +0100 2003-08-14, Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote:
Using the cent sign is mostly US specific and the symbol is not
recognized as such in most European countries, so the cent sign is
bound directly to the dollar.
If the dollar sign can be used for currencies other than the USD,
Michael Everson schreef:
More
horrifying is the idiotic euro is immune to grammar error which
continues to be broadcast daily by our television and radio
stations,
all because people with power lacked the moral courage to say
oops,
yeah, that was the wrong interpretation of the Directive
At 08:55 -0700 2003-08-05, Doug Ewell wrote:
The original legislative attempt to dictate the exact proportions (and
even color) of the euro sign, regardless of the font in use, was just
silly.
That is very old history, as detailed on my website
Kenneth == Kenneth Whistler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
terra is not far behind (especially if disk sizes continue to grow).
Kenneth Does that refer to physical disk sizes growing to global
Kenneth scale, or disk contents sufficiently capacious to encompass
Kenneth the entire store of terran
At 00:24 -0400 2003-08-14, John Cowan wrote:
There are surely other countries that use $ as their currency symbol
even though their currency is not called dollar.
Such as Mexico, where $ means peso.
In Portugal, cêntimo (officialy and in practice). It seems that the
changelessness of this
Anto'nio == Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anto'nio (Let alone the validity of things
Anto'nio like k, c etc.)
I'm sure things like m, k, M and even G will come into use,
though I expect more will use them in front of the digits.
I certainly use m$, k$ et al, and regulary
Antnio Martins-Tuvlkin antonio at tuvalkin dot web dot pt wrote:
I noticed a hand written euro sign with wavy strokes, consistently
used by a person who is the chief accountant of an organizazion where
I hold also a managing position (this meaning that I see a lot of
these signs).
Any symbol
Jim Cloos asked
(B
(B Or a haiku?
(B
(BAs long as we're off topic... A Haiku. Picking up on your 7 syllables, as
(Bquoted by Ken, how about:
(B
(BUnfortunately
(BTerra is not far behind
(Bthe eight ball of God
(B
(BH... Well, that certainly lacks a seasonal
Pim Blokland scripsit:
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The Irish authorities have adopted the extremely non-English habit of
saying 30 euro and 5 cent instead of the natural and correct 30 euros
and 5 cents, as if English were German. This style is required in
James H. Cloos Jr. wrote:
I'm sure things like m, k, M and even G will come into use,
though I expect more will use them in front of the digits.
Perhaps, but that would be incorrect, methinks: Using SI preffixes
implies that one is adopting the said unit (the euro, in this case) as
if it
On 14/08/2003 09:50, Michael Everson wrote:
In Ireland of course when we used pence we wrote 2p and said two pee.
And we still do in the UK!
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Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote:
On 2003.08.06, 11:12, Philippe Verdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the placement of the currency unit symbol or multiple is language
dependant, and the same local practices are used with the
euro, as the
one used for pre-euro currencies.
You mean that
After all the euro is a common currency and its figures should be
written in a common way.
Why?
Why, too? This is absolutely not required by the european directives,
which has already stated different names for the subdivision for each
language, and accepted distinct plural forms, as well
On Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:54 PM, Stefan Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James H. Cloos Jr. wrote:
Anto'nio == Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anto'nio (Let alone the validity of things
Anto'nio like k, c etc.)
I'm sure things like m, k, M and even
Stefan == Stefan Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stefan m and m$ would be millieuros and millidollars. How could
Stefan anyone need anything like that?
On this side of the pond, fuel prices per gallon are quoted in m$;
I presume they quote m$ per Litre in CA, though it has been long
enough
Michael Everson schreef:
You are lucky not having to put up with bad English like five
euro
and six cent, living in the Netherlands and speaking Dutch as you
do.
Funny. In our language, the euro behaves just as the guilder always
did, that is, the very same as what you call bad English. We
On 2003.08.05, 16:55, Doug Ewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any symbol that looks remotely like a C with two (nearly) horizontal
cross-strokes, appearing before a numeric value,
Actually, most people here use it *after* the number. Which is only
logical, if we follow speech, common sence and the
On 2003.02.07, 15:42, Marion Gunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if any Unicoders have seen the handwritten EURO sign which
differs substantially from the usual computer-generated kind?
I noticed a hand written euro sign with wavy strokes, consistently used
by a person who is the chief
I wonder if any Unicoders have seen the handwritten EURO sign which differs
substantially from the usual computer-generated kind?
The one on the banknotes (lefthanded Crescent Moon with double bar) is
quite unlike one used around here (rounded reversed digit THREE with double
bar).
Any ideas
At 14:42 + 2003-02-07, Marion Gunn wrote:
I wonder if any Unicoders have seen the handwritten EURO sign which differs
substantially from the usual computer-generated kind?
I have seen a C with an equals sign inside it not touching the C.
The one on the banknotes (lefthanded Crescent Moon
Marion Gunn wrote:
I wonder if any Unicoders have seen the handwritten EURO sign
which differs substantially from the usual computer-generated
kind?
In Italy, it is becoming common to see a sort of left parenthesis crossed by
a small Z.
Notice that this is very similar to a common
The latest issue of Baseline (www.baselinemagazine.com) has an article
on the Euro. I did not read it, so I don't know if it speaks of
handwritten forms.
Sign of the times: the euro currency symbol by Conor Mangat.
Eric.
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