Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-30 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
I have put two images of the whole chinese periodic table at the following addresses: http://web.tiscalinet.it/cmc/periodica.gif http://web.tiscalinet.it/cmc/periodica.jpg The gif is about 800K, the jpg about 300K. The jpg is readable, the gif is better defined. The two images are otherwise

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-29 Thread Richard Cook
Just a correction. Someone previously asked about http://www.wenlin.com/ and its support for Vertical Ext. A. It turns out that this support has not yet made it into the public release ... Best, Richard

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Cook
Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > > > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't > > > > have TUS handy in this moment. > > > > > > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition) > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunico

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-26 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Erik Garrés wrote: > Hacen falta los elementos químicos en el contexto de los caracteres chinos, > debido a que no tienen el alfabeto para escribirlo, así que los requieren > como una representación gráfica. Ho messo un'immagine della parte transuranica della tabella cine

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-25 Thread rscook
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Schiffer wrote: > Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > > > > > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't > > > > > have TUS handy in this moment. > > > > > > > > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition) > > > > > > >

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-25 Thread Thomas Chan
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote: > The table I already mentioned (btw, the dictionary is the Xiandai Hanyu > Cidian) arrives at element 109. > > The reported pronunciations for elements 105-109 are: du4, xi3, bo1, hei1, > mai4. Those sound like they are based on the 1997 IUPAC rec

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-25 Thread Vinit Bhatt
17 PM > To: Unicode List > Subject: RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK) > > > CJK people usually write notations like H, O, O2, CO2, and so on and > at the same time, usually also write and speak names like ? or > ? if I remember correctly for instance for Carbon Dioxide inste

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-25 Thread Doug Schiffer
Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > > > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't > > > > have TUS handy in this moment. > > > > > > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition) > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunico

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-25 Thread Richard Cook
John Jenkins wrote: > > On Thursday, January 25, 2001, at 03:14 AM, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote: > > > I was talking about the index for the hanzi's ordered by radical+strokes > > which can be found at the end of the book, since I wanted to check > > whether > > high numbered elements were there. I

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-25 Thread John Jenkins
On Thursday, January 25, 2001, at 03:14 AM, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote: > I was talking about the index for the hanzi's ordered by radical+strokes > which can be found at the end of the book, since I wanted to check > whether > high numbered elements were there. I know the look and pronunciations

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-25 Thread Antoine Leca
Erik Garre's wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write this [chemical > >elements] with LATIN > >CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO. > > If this is true, why was aproved the U+338E? Because it

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-25 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Richard Cook wrote: > > > > > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too? > > > > > > > > No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom > > > > > > > > Um, I think I misunderstood. What Radical index are you talking about? > The one fo

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Erik Garrés
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write this [chemical >elements] with LATIN >CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO. If this is true, why was aproved the U+338E? Note: U+338E is similar to "mg" __

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-24 Thread Richard Cook
> > Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > > > > > > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too? > > > > > > No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom > > > software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try > > > to convert that software to produce

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-24 Thread Richard Cook
Richard Cook wrote: > > Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > > > > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too? > > > > No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom > > software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try > > to convert that software t

Re: Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-24 Thread Richard Cook
Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > > I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too? > > No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom > software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try > to convert that software to produce a postable .pdf file, so t

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Julie Doll Allen
Pierpaolo BERNARDI asked, >I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too? Not yet. There are plans to do so as time permits. Julie Allen Editor, Unicode, Inc.

Radical Index online? (was Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK))

2001-01-24 Thread Kenneth Whistler
> > > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't > > > have TUS handy in this moment. > > > > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition) > > > > and > > > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.) As n

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't > > have TUS handy in this moment. > > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition) > > and > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (f

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Ienup Sung
icate with person who speaks other languages. With regards, Ienup ] Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:58:38 -0800 (GMT-0800) ] From: Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Subject: RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK) ] To: Unicode List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] MIME-version: 1.0 ] Content-transfer-enco

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, John Cowan wrote: > Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.) > > No Han charts there yet for Extension B or CNS compatibility. Yes, seems that the new charts are only reachable throught the links in TR-27.

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread John Cowan
Kenneth Whistler wrote: > http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.) No Han charts there yet for Extension B or CNS compatibility. -- There is / one art || John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Marco said: > Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is > certainly written somewhere in all Chinese hospitals), so it would surprise > me if they are not in Unicode. > And the ideographs for the elemental gasses, too, are encoded: H 6C2B He 6C26 N 6C2E Ne 6

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread John Jenkins
On Wednesday, January 24, 2001, at 05:08 AM, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > So I understood that he was talking about the specialized ideographs > needed > to write the *names* of chemical elements in Chinese, and I was > explaining > that they are not missing, just buried somewhere in the huge CJK

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Thomas Chan wrote: > Characters which are potentially missing include: > > - Characters for elements with atomic numbers above 103 (in either > traditional or simplified forms, if applicable). These are recent, > and there have been multiple names for some of the

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Thomas Chan
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Erik Garrés wrote: > Marco Cimarosti wrote : > >Or did you compare the whole periodical table against the whole CJK blocks > >in Unicode? In this case, could you mention a few chemical elements whose > >names are missing? > > Maybe they have strokes for the name of the elemen

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote: > I have a chinese periodic table (in the back of my dictionary). In this > table, the chinese character for each element is displayed prominently, > while the occidental symbol is written in small type in an angle. An addition: in the body of the

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Erik Garrés wrote: > *** > * ESPAÑOL * > *** > > Talvez tengan trazos para el nombre de los elementos (ejemplo "Oxígeno", > "Oro", etc) pero estoy seguro que no tienen trazos para la nomenclatura de > los elementos, ellos usan los mismos que nosotros, "O"

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Erik Garrés
*** * ESPAÑOL * *** Talvez tengan trazos para el nombre de los elementos (ejemplo "Oxígeno", "Oro", etc) pero estoy seguro que no tienen trazos para la nomenclatura de los elementos, ellos usan los mismos que nosotros, "O" para Oxígeno, "Au" para Oro, etc. *** * ENGLIS

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Michael Everson wrote: > There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write > this with LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO. I think there is a misunderstanding, probably on my side. In his Spanish version, Erik claimed that the chemical elements were missing "en el contexto de lo

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Everson
Ar 01:05 -0800 2001-01-24, scríobh Marco Cimarosti: >Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is >certainly written somewhere in all Chinese hospitals), so it would surprise >me if they are not in Unicode. There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread akerbeltz.alba
They appear to be all there, I checked the follwing: K 9240 Ca 9223 Sc 9227 Ti 9226 V 91E9 Cr 927B Mn 9333 Fe 9421 Co 9237 Michael

RE: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Erik Garrés wrote: > The elements of the periodical table (chemistry) are > missing, and they are specially needed on chinesse > because they don't have alphabet, so they need > them as a graphical representation. Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is certai

Re: Chemistry on chinesse. (CJK)

2001-01-24 Thread David Starner
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:41:33PM -0800, Erik Garr?s wrote: > The elements of the periodical table (chemistry) are missing, and they are > specially needed on chinesse because they don't have alphabet, so they need > them as a graphical representation. Unicode (and most legacy character sets)