Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-19 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
I cannot; definitely it requires first good knowldge of English (to find possible synonyms, plus phonetic approximations, including using abbreviatable words), and Hebrew culture (to guess names and the context). All this text looks completely random and makes no sense otherwise. Le mar. 16 avr.

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-17 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 4/16/19 11:52 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > http://historyview.blogspot.com/2011/10/yukaghir-girl-writes-love-letter.html According to a comment, the Yukaghir love letter as semasiographic communication was debunked by John DeFrancis in 1989 who asserted that it was merely a prop

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread James Kass via Unicode
> Perhaps that debunking was in the very book > cited by Martin J. Dürst earlier in this thread. Yes, starting on page 24. https://books.google.com/books?id=hypplIDMd0IC=PA24=isbn:0824812077+Yukaghir=en=X=0ahUKEwj1n4r719zgAhWJn4MKHcdyCHIQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage=isbn%3A0824812077%20Yukaghir=false

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread James Kass via Unicode
> http://historyview.blogspot.com/2011/10/yukaghir-girl-writes-love-letter.html According to a comment, the Yukaghir love letter as semasiographic communication was debunked by John DeFrancis in 1989 who asserted that it was merely a prop in a Yukaghir parlor game.  Perhaps that debunking

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 4/16/19 4:00 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: On 2019-04-16 7:09 AM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: All the examples you cite, where images stand for sounds, are typically used in some of the oldest "ideographic" scripts. Egyptian definitely has such concepts, and Han (CJK) does so,

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
I suspect that this work would be jibber-jabber to any non-English speaker unfamiliar with the original Haggadah.  No matter how otherwise fluent they might be in emoji communication. You can't escape fundamental theses:

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-04-16 7:09 AM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: All the examples you cite, where images stand for sounds, are typically used in some of the oldest "ideographic" scripts. Egyptian definitely has such concepts, and Han (CJK) does so, too, with most ideographs consisting of a semantic

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
Hello Mark, others, On 2019/04/16 12:18, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > Yes.  But the sentences aren't just symbolic representations of the > concepts or something.  They are frequently direct > transcriptions—usually by puns—for *English* sentences, so left-to-right > makes sense.  So

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-04-16 3:18 AM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > For whatever reason, the author decided to go with ️ for "God" and such, ... "OM"igod. Just a thought. If the emoji OM SYMBOL is to be used for "god", shouldn't it be casing to enable distinction between the common noun and

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
Yes.  But the sentences aren't just symbolic representations of the concepts or something.  They are frequently direct transcriptions—usually by puns—for *English* sentences, so left-to-right makes sense.  So for example, the phrase "️⌛️️" translates "The LORD our God".  For whatever reason,

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Beth Myre via Unicode
This is amazing. It's also really interesting that he decided to make the sentences read left-to-right. On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:05 PM Tex via Unicode wrote: > Oy veh! > > > > *From:* Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark > E. Shoulson via Unicode > *Sent:* Monday,

RE: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Tex via Unicode
Oy veh! From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 5:27 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Emoji Haggadah The only thing more disturbing than the existence of The Emoji Haggadah