Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2021-03-12 Thread trebor.ed


Hi,

I've read this thread about netbooting picore player 3.2. Very
interesting  subject. I've been trying to netboot an picore player v7
with an RPI4 but i have no luck getting pcp running. The os boots fine
but no pcp installation mounted. 

Is there any progress or new information on netbooting picore player
with newer versions on newer hardware ?

kind regards.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2018-03-28 Thread epoch1970

jmccoy555 wrote: 
> Hello all.
> 
> I'm trying to get this going, following Post 1 I have got the kernel to
> load and end up with a terminal session. PiCorePlayer is not yet
> loading.
> 
> I'm a bit lost at point 3, where do I put the script? 
> 
> I've had a bit of a poke around and have found the default
> /opt/bootlocal.sh, but I think this is read only and lost on a reboot. I
> cant see where this is loaded from or how to replace it with
> epoch1970's? 
> 
> Some pointers would be great
> 
> Thanks.
I don't have a local pCP machine to look at, but I dont remember that
script was read-only. It belongs to root, probably, but you can "sudo
vi" or "sudo chmod a+rw" I suppose.
Once you've added stuff to it, run "pcp bu" as the normal tc user. This
pcp command executes a *b*ack*u*p of some files to mydata.tgz. 
IIRC "pcp bu" is a wrapper around the standard OS backup script
"filetool.sh". There is a file (/opt/.filetool.lst?) configuring what
gets included to mydata.tgz. /opt/bootlocal.sh is among the files that
get saved.
At boot, mydata.tgz is uncompressed and content is restored.

If you forget to "pcp bu" before rebooting, you lose your modifications.
-You have been warned.-
I was warned too, many times, and I still forget to commit my changes
from time to time... :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2018-03-28 Thread jmccoy555

Hello all.

I'm trying to get this going, following Post 1 I have got the kernel to
load and end up with a terminal session. PiCorePlayer is not yet
loading.

I'm a bit lost at point 3, where do I put the script? 

I've had a bit of a poke around and have found the default
/opt/bootlocal.sh, but I think this is read only and lost on a reboot. I
cant see where this is loaded from or how to replace it with
epoch1970's? 

Some pointers would be great

Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-05-01 Thread epoch1970

Yeah I'm pretty miffed by the situation.

For those who'd like to get rid of the SD and do not mind attending
reboot and power cycle the machine if it doesn't come alive, here is the
last configuration I was running on the Raspbian server.
It runs good, but not reliably enough for me. I was targeting unattended
reboot after general power failure (the Pi 3 server being protected by
an UPS)

This setup was running on "Linux srv 4.9.24-v7+ #993 SMP Wed Apr 26
18:01:23 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux" (Raspbian lite) on Pi 3. All wired
network, DHCP server on an ISP router box, 2 switches: one close to the
players, one in the router box (Pi 3 server connected to it).

1. Install atftpd in addition to dnsmasq. For me dnsmasq has a bug in
its tftp server and often sends files that belong to the wrong player.
The symptom is the player doesn't boot and blinks its green led 3 times
repeatedly. This is solved by using atftpd.

2. Configure both to work together. For atftpd I have boosted the number
of threads to improve processing of parallel booting of multiple
players. The timeout option computed by the client is disregarded as I
read there was a bug there in the Pi 3 firmware, but these tweaks might
be useless. This is /etc/default/atftpd:
Code:

USE_INETD=false
  OPTIONS="--user=root.root --retry-timeout=30 --maxthread=200 --no-timeout 
--verbose=3 --listen-local /tftp"


3. As clients would still randomly decide to sit on their butt doing
nothing, I decided in a last-ditch effort to supersede the router's
built-in DHCP server with dnsmasq in the Pi 3 server. So dnsmasq no
longer works in proxy mode, but as an authoritative DHCP server. Having
2 active DHCP servers would disrupt networking, so dnsmasq is configured
to respond only to a specific set of Pi clients. This is
/etc/dnsmasq.conf:
Code:

log-dhcp  # Debug mode
  log-async=50# Weak IO/s on Pi
  dhcp-no-override# Safe behaviour
  dhcp-ignore=tag:!known  # Only known Pis (below)
  pxe-service=0,"Raspberry Pi Boot" # Boot service for Pi 3
  dhcp-option=66,"192.168.1.161"  
  # Inform clients of the TFTP server name, 
ourselves
  # Needed for atftpd
  dhcp-authoritative  # Try to help Pi3s get an address to boot...
  dhcp-range=192.168.1.100,192.168.1.175
  # ... and its still not enough. It's broken.
  
  # Known hosts
  dhcp-host=b8:27:eb:01:02:03:04,player1
  ...


Once booted, I had excellent sync over my 5 test players (pcp3.20beta5).
Reboot usually works, as it is easier to get a single Pi to boot
compared to 5 at the same time. Rebooting the server puts players in
stasis while they try to regain their root filesystem over NFS. After a
few minutes, the players are operational again and sync fine.

Finally be aware that switches on the path may affect the players boot
behaviour, especially if they are power cycled as well. "Smart" switches
that take their time to boot and activate their ports have an adverse
effect, possibly also switches with "green" features that activate ports
on demand. YMMV, and good luck.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-05-01 Thread ian_heys

epoch1970 wrote: 
> I am done with it.

That's good enough for me. Glad I didn't start.

It's fantastic that this forum generates so many diverse functions and
facilities.

Personally I haven't had any SlimDevices/Logitech products for at least
two years but the infrastructure is so good, thanks to all the great
developers, that I wouldn't think of going anywhere else.

And when I can get a true audiophile quality server/player for about
£100.00  it's hard to imagine moving away from this system.

Keep on trucking.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-30 Thread epoch1970

I am done with it.
I fiddled with every possible aspect of the software and hardware on my
test setup, and my conclusion is that it is not possible to get 5
players to boot together, repeatably, with a Pi 3 as the server.

Perhaps there is still room for improvement in the firmware, but it's
possible we'll have to wait for Pi 4 to get netbooting to work in real
life...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-29 Thread ian_heys

Thanks for that - very clear.

I may go on to try it out - but just a little busy with other LMS
matters at the moment.

Will post here if I do find it useful.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-29 Thread epoch1970

ian_heys wrote: 
> 1. Do all the players have to be the same Pi Version and all be
> players?
> 2. Is the operating system/squeezelite/LMS upradeable once the OS has
> loaded and does the player have to go back to base OS if one of the
> players stops?
> 3. I suppose if all the players had identical hardware and DAC's etc
> then the updated image could be kept on the central server?
1. Yes, netbooting is a Pi 3 specific feature, AFAIK. Something to do
with the chipset model used.
2. According to my tests, you can boot, configure pCP and reboot into
the new config like if the OS was installed on the SD.
3. The OSes don't need to be the same, they are stored in the server.
The Pi 3 client boots the OS it fetches via TFTP under a path that
includes its serial number, e.g. "/tftp/123456/". Then in the OS config
you specify an NFS export to serve as root directory, e.g.
"/export/123456/pCP".
So you need a bit of room on the server (but in the case of pCP the OS
is so small it just doesn't matter). And you can access a machine's
system right away under /tftp or /export. Very easy compared to using an
SD.

As I mentioned, boot reliability is not good enough in my case. If there
is no solution to this, then I don't think the setup is viable.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-29 Thread ian_heys

epoch1970 wrote: 
> Howdy, netbooters everywhere.

Hi Epoch, I hadn't realised the relevance of your signature before I
composed my first post to you.

I wasn't considering Net Booting as I was quite happy with my set-up,
but yesterday, on one of my Pi's, the SD card latch broke, which
prompted a few questions about Net Booting.

1. Do all the players have to be the same Pi Version and all be players?
2. Is the operating system/squeezelite/LMS upradeable once the OS has
loaded and does the player have to go back to base OS if one of the
players stops?
3. I suppose if all the players had identical hardware and DAC's etc
then the updated image could be kept on the central server?

Sorry for the basic questions.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-28 Thread epoch1970

Howdy, netbooters everywhere.

I am testing now with 5 clients (pcp3.20beta5) and a Raspbian Lite
server. I'm trying to boot all 5 at once, with mixed results. Here is
what I can report for now:

- It looks like Pi 3 clients send discovery packets as soon as they
  have powered up, so if they are behind a switch that takes its time
  booting, like learning network topology for STP, then the packets are
  lost and the Pis stay put for a while. Don't know how long, it is not
  my test case. The solution seems to be configuring the switch to
  "fast-open" some ports to let the traffic go through.
- My Pis wear Justboom amp HATs, for the moment I use two 24V PSUs,
  one 18V, one 12V and one 5V "official" Pi 3 PSU. I *think* that if the
  Pis are not totally powered down when they regain power, they don't
  boot so well. I have 1 of the Pis on nylon stand-offs, the 4 others on
  brass standoffs, no difference. The one with the "official PSU" is
  powered via µ-USB, the others via the DC barrel connector on the amp,
  no difference.
- I am testing with 2 switches on the path: one giga integrated to a
  router, another next to the clients. For this one I test mainly with
  an old no-name fast switch: boot is not consistent, and sync sometimes
  suffers. I've also tested with a brand new Netgear GS108T v2: sync
  seems flawless, boot better but not perfect.
- The setup I used initially (described above) was to automount a bind
  mount between /exports and /tftp. I found out the mounts would expire
  or not come up at the appropriate time, so I have replaced that with
  symbolic link. This clearly improved the boot success rate.
- I *suspect* that the discovery protocol of LMS might cause some
  players to stall during boot. I have anecdotal evidence players boot
  better (if not perfect?) with LMS stopped. Supposedly broadcasts can
  stop a Pi from TFTP-booting, if you have more info on that I'm
  interested.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-16 Thread Wetty

Hi, 
with an empty SD card with only bootcode.bin on it, even a Raspberry Pi
2 can netboot picoreplayer. But Rpi2 does not look into the serialnumber
folder, he searches the boot files in the pxe root. Took me a day to
find that problem.

It is also possible to boot from a USB Stick. I just write the
piCorePlayer img to the stick as I would do with an SD card and it
worked out of the box. Even mydata.gz gets written to sda2. But
config.txt changes are written back to the bootcode.bin sd card, which
then brakes the booting.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-15 Thread M-H

Hi Huxmut,

Indeed the case you linked is the one that allowed me to have a pi in
the living room, and does use the sd-extender.

On the subject of netbooting ; it would be awesome to have an empty pi
to learn all configuration over the network.
Firmware, OS, configuration and executables all over the net. A central
server, preferably a PCP , with the needed services and storage could
centralise all that.
Unfortunately it would be wired ethernet only at this moment. And I use
all my players and LMServer wireless at this moment.  ( I know the
disadvantages and risks, but it works for me )
I have been thinking about wifi booting, but that would be quite more
complex ( SSID, passwords, chipsets supported ) and impossible until the
bootloader is extended for this. And frankly I do not expect the
raspberry foundation to put time into that wifi-netbooting concept. A
recently purchased wifi printer however showed me it is possible to
recognise and configure a factory default node to work on the wifi
network without memorycard, USB connection or key input on the device.
So technically it is not impossible. 

Still parts of the central repository can be done with scripting and
pushing config files to a central node. It would be similar to the
insitu upgrades and also have the same drawbacks. 
For me it is a nice thing to debate, but in my situation I would stay
with card swapping, as it almost as easy and flexible. Only a full USB
boot would help ease the handling.

Regards MH



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-14 Thread huxmut

Hi M H, yes i've seen those extenders. Also the way some of the cases
mount the Pi and Hats away from the LCD display etc look good (but
expensive) 
I thought (for my situation) a network solution would be best as it
means there is one single location/folder/NAS/LUN/TFTP server to put an
image in and have it work for every pCP client on the network.

I'll be happy with whatever the pCP devs and epoch1970 comeup with
though :D 
I'm just throwing ideas around :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-14 Thread M-H

Further reading on the other bootmodes of the pi 3, made me aware on USB
boot options.
It seems the USB boot from a regular msd is possible, and this should
also be possible for small tf card readers.
So for embedded systems that have exposed USB / ethernet ports of a rpi3
, there is a < 1 Euro solution to boot over the USB port.

I am not sure if PCP has been tested successfully with usb boots sofar.
I might have missed the discussion on this.
Please update me with a link if this is already documented .

MH



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-14 Thread M-H

huxmut wrote: 
> , would this allow me a 'no easy access' build eg. the Pi could be
> buried in an amplifier, where access to the SD card is time
> consuming/PITA. 

Hi Humax.
The TF card swap in systems with embedded raspberries indeed does hinder
upgrades.
When I bought a deluxe casing for my Pi , I was pleasantly surprised it
came with a 'sd card extender'.
Searching with this string on some sites will give you more info
instantly.
I do recommend you use this knowledge for any embedded pi you have
already or will build in the future.

Greetz , MH



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-13 Thread epoch1970

I don't know u-boot, tinycore and pCP enough to say what is possible in
terms of updates when the system runs.

The Pi has no traditional BIOS, the only thing it can do by itself is
test the SD, the USB and the network for boot media. The media includes
firmware and OS. 
Since TinyCoreLinux is so compact, I don't think you can find much gain
in using some pivot OS on an SD.

Now, 'according to the Pi 3 boot description'
(https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/bootflow.md),
if the OS on your SD (pCP) had a "suicide" option that would remove
bootcode.bin, then on reboot the machine would look for media on the USB
or network to boot from.
And if such media was available and held a new version of the OS that
had a "persist to SD" option, you could reboot and write the new OS to
the SD. Unplug USB or ethernet, reboot again and you're done.

Many devices have some "maintenance" USB port, with Pi 3 you
theoretically could have either an USB or ethernet maintenance port.

Purely theoretical. As I said I'm short of everything (even SDs) so
testing is a bit cumbersome for me right now.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-12 Thread huxmut

thanks epoch

epoch1970 wrote: 
> If you keep a system on an SD, then I think  you're somewhat looking at
> an upgrade system like pCP has  already.

it's probably me justing wanting to do it for the sake of doing it
rather than any logical reason, but I do like the idea of having a boot
file on the sd card and the 'core' OS and config files hosted on my nas.


now, just wondering aloud here - for those updates that currently
require a total rewrite of the uSD card, would this allow me a 'no easy
access' build eg. the Pi could be buried in an amplifier, where access
to the SD card is time consuming/PITA. 
and, if config changes were required would it be a case of SSH into the
client Pi or would it be better if the config was also remote and a
plain text file for easy updates ??
or is it more likely a case of having seperate images for each client
hosted on the NAS therefore defeating my desire to have a singular pCP
image hosted ??

Again, thanks for your efforts, I've started reading up on U-boot and
other ideas like that, it's quite mad what a little Pi is capable of
these days :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-12 Thread epoch1970

Yes a Pi 3 can netboot clients, I can't tell how many because atm I have
a single Pi serving alternatively as client and server... But since the
OS is light, the Pi should be able to manage quite a few clients
simultaneously. I expect to be able to test for 5 clients booting
simultaneously. 

You can't netboot from wifi on Pi 3. With an external ethernet-wifi
bridge that should work, though. Actually I have an old "gaming adapter"
somewhere, I could verify that...

If you keep a system on an SD, then I think you're somewhat looking at
an upgrade system like pCP has already.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-12 Thread huxmut

hey epoch1970, thanks a lot for this. this idea has interested me for a
while ... 

this question is more for steen and pCP dev guys, is it possible to have
to have a pi3 (or other NAS/server) as a LMS and a netboot master of
everything ?

i guess i'd love if the client Pi's could have a uSD card with the basic
info to get it started, like wifi password and i2s dac config and
whatever else might be different across the clients.
that way i only need to update a single Pi when there is a new version
of pCP

i realise that you guys are super busy with other things. maybe add it
to the "one day i'll get around to it" list :)

thanks again



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-10 Thread th00ht

Very interesting thread. Something I thought of doing but was scared by
the amount of work. Good description. Getting away from that fiddling
with SD cards that need not more than a view MB is good riddance.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-04 Thread epoch1970

Sure, glad to be of help. I hope others will find the idea interesting
;)

My use-case is a set of players in a public place, my drivers to want
this were: a. scrape a few bucks per player, b. remove a cause of
failure, c. allow remote "bare metal" players administration, d. save
the planet (one less part to source), e. a tiny bit less smoke in case
the player somehow catches fire. 

pCP 3.20 looks/sounds good, btw. Thanks!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Netbooting piCorePlayer 3.x

2017-04-04 Thread sbp

Hi epoch1970.

This is great news, thank you very much for your hard work and for the
detailed documentation of the steps.

So I will have to try this out and let us see if there is a demand for
this method then it might slip into pCP.
Regarding disabling the webGUI I agree that after you have set up your
pCP you usually can forget about it as you don't need to change
anything.

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