Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Curry Kenworthy wrote: > And I have the same respect for all, PHD or GED, but neither gets a > free buddy pass from the laws of our universe (or from myself, since > I also notice those laws) on what works best. Uh, all right then. Personally, I feel no driving need to try to take Mark

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Brian Milby wrote: > I've looked into the pref save code and it isn't as bad as I thought. > The file is saved regularly, but not at the interval that I thought. > It does have a half second delay which should prevent too many file > writes (the actual save is debounced 500ms in the future, so if

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Brian: > I've looked into the pref save code and it isn't as bad as I thought. That's good...maybe something a bit closer to the auto formatting and replace features, and whatever organizes them? Who knows, it could be something outside the SE that just happens to interfere, I don't like

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Richard: > Everyone on the LC dev team is either a CS or advanced > mathematics graduate. > I'm more interested in those of us who do not hold a doctorate in CS That's why I mentioned both - the same rules apply to everyone. Not just in the LC world either. Math, physics, gravity, good or

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I've looked into the pref save code and it isn't as bad as I thought. The file is saved regularly, but not at the interval that I thought. It does have a half second delay which should prevent too many file writes (the actual save is debounced 500ms in the future, so if another save request

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Curry Kenworthy wrote: > Richard: ... >> How many devs among us are shipping apps which rely on >> frequent disk saves? > > Not the devs that heed my usual advice and KISS philosophy. :) > > But any system-intensive action performed too often or at the wrong > time during typing, animation, or

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Richard: Curry, I haven't questioned your findings in the report. On the contrary, I confirmed them. Few of my customers use the LC Script Editor, so they don't care about it. But they do use the software that we ship to them. Thanks Richard. Yes - I also do frequent training, so any IDE

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Curry, I haven't questioned your findings in the report. On the contrary, I confirmed them. We don't disagree on observable data. We merely differ on focus: Few of my customers use the LC Script Editor, so they don't care about it. But they do use the software that we ship to them. And

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Brian: > I think I know the issue then... look at how often the pref file > is written. Throttle/turn that off and see what happens. > I was thinking that earlier today but those test results make me > want to investigate that further. Thanks Brian, fixing things up as usual! Best wishes,

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Richard: > But writing files - damn! Now I understand what the reporters > in the forums have been talking about. LOL, great test to verify the impact, but it incredibly closely follows my documented prediction on Dec 12: > A relevant question on our side of the equation is whether LC > is

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I think I know the issue then... look at how often the pref file is written.   Throttle/turn that off and see what happens. I was thinking that earlier today but those test results make me want to investigate that further. Thanks, Brian On Jan 7, 2019, 8:40 PM -0600, Richard Gaskin via

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
J. Landman Gay wrote: > I'm willing to bet that any slowdown in the SE not related to AV > intervention is probably the new auto-complete features. I've > turned most of them off and I see no speed decrease. Same here. But since the LC IDE is written in LCS, anything it does to trigger this

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Jacqueline: > I'm willing to bet that any slowdown in the SE not related to > AV intervention is probably the new auto-complete features. > I've turned most of them off and I see no speed decrease. Thanks Jacqueline, very true - that's yet another separate SE performance issue! Very good for

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I'm willing to bet that any slowdown in the SE not related to AV intervention is probably the new auto-complete features. I've turned most of them off and I see no speed decrease. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
JJS: > Speed, what are we talking about? milliseconds? > Overall i find it working great with enough speed. > Microsoft will probably not be interested that LC > will run slow due to their product. It looks like your reply MIGHT be referencing more general LC 9 ENGINE performance, an

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Richard: > And now the issue has become doubly conflated. > To review, there are two issues in this thread: Yes, I happened to mention that initial conflation today BEFORE you did, with some slight differences. Your post shadowed mine. > With your addition, we now have a third concern

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
JJS wrote: > I added .rev .livescript and livecode.exe to Windows Defender and have > not had an slow issue since and keeping fingers crossed. That's very valuable, thanks. So just to confirm, you did not need to turn off Real Time Protection, just exclude two file types and one EXE? --

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Yes whitelisting is an option, but not for distributing apps. Well, not much of an option. Anytime you make users do something to their OS or AV to get your app to work, people get real nervous. Bob S > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:06 , JJS via use-livecode > wrote: > > Speed, what are we

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread JJS via use-livecode
Speed, what are we talking about? milliseconds? It depends on where you need speed for. Overall i find it working great with enough speed. I work with a very known American company, and the software they use is about to cry. screen flickers, it's as slow as hell and everybody has to work

Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

2019-01-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
yeah I re-discovered (and paid second license for) BBEdit. They were the first programmer's editor on mac, although I was partial to TEX-edit, which had some cool text features nobody else had... like ways of identifying mystery invisible characters. I haven't tried it in years, I wonder about

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Curry Kenworthy wrote: Since Windows Defender is fairly unlikely to be the oh-so-sneaky culprit when similar issues show up running the LC 9 Script Editor on the Mac platform... And now the issue has become doubly conflated. To review, there are two issues in this thread: a) Windows

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Bob Sneidar wrote: > Richard wrote: >> > Do you know what Defender is doing that other more full-featured >> packages aren't in terms of application performance impairment? > > No, but I can guess that it is much as has been posted prior to this. > Virtually all malware deterrent products use

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
As I've (seriously) joked previously in my bug 21604 report that has been referenced already in this thread: Since Windows Defender is fairly unlikely to be the oh-so-sneaky culprit when similar issues show up running the LC 9 Script Editor on the Mac platform, :D therefore it's highly

Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

2019-01-07 Thread Jerry Jensen via use-livecode
On a mac, BBEdit or its older cousin TextWrangler will preserve line endings. It just works. You can also easily change endings with a pull-down menu. That stoppedl me from whining about the price. They also have good tech support. .Jerry > On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
No, but I can guess that it is much as has been posted prior to this. Virtually all malware deterrent products use subscription based services, and many of them get their malware signature data from the same sources. False positives are not unheard of, although I suspect they are fairly rare.

Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

2019-01-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I haven't tried it in a good long while. Maybe they changed that behavior. I'll give it another go as firing up my VM is a little bit of a hassle if I can do it natively. Bob S > On Jan 7, 2019, at 09:05 , Brian Milby via use-livecode > wrote: > > I just did a test on Sierra and TextEdit

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Bob Sneidar wrote: > We disable Windows Defender via group policy. A lot of IT > administrators do. It's not that it's a bad product, it's that > there are alternatives in the marketplace that provide a great > many more features, like central management and distribution > of policies, which can

Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

2019-01-07 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I just did a test on Sierra and TextEdit did not change LF to anything else.   Mac should never convert to CRLF by default. Thanks, Brian On Jan 7, 2019, 10:28 AM -0600, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode , wrote: > This is a perennial problem. My personal opinion is that unless a user > explicitly

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode
Well, he could, if he didn’t wanted an average value of some more pixels, and, calculating an average via screenMouseLoc is really slow. Exporting a rect to an image is fairly quick though Found the following in a stack: # Calculates the average color value for an image # pID should be the

Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

2019-01-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Simon Knight wrote: > ...I do agree that the team does an extraordinary job of bug > reduction while adding features and keeping on top of all the > changes to the list of OS’s that livecode runs on. LC v9 is particularly strong in this regard. We have some in our community who've dreamed of a

Re: windows defender issues? & other AV issues?

2019-01-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
We disable Windows Defender via group policy. A lot of IT administrators do. It's not that it's a bad product, it's that there are alternatives in the marketplace that provide a great many more features, like central management and distribution of policies, which can universally whitelist

Re: Double posting

2019-01-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
No problem. No problem. ;-) Bob S > On Jan 7, 2019, at 07:43 , hh via use-livecode > wrote: > > Sorry for my several double postings. This was a problem with my email server. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please

Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

2019-01-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
This is a perennial problem. My personal opinion is that unless a user explicitly wants to alter the line endings in a file, no assumptions should be made by the developer in this regard. A classic example (at least for me) is working with files exported from copiers. Let's say I want to export

Double posting

2019-01-07 Thread hh via use-livecode
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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 162

2019-01-07 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #162 here: https://goo.gl/udm5wo This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread hh via use-livecode
Sorry, my last post had a typo. Now it is correct. > Beat C. wrote: > What I need is to get the RGB of a specific screen > location - I need to make an avarage of e.g. 5x5 pixels. Make a new small stack with a button. Script it as given below. On mouseUp the average is taken from the 5x5-rect

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread hh via use-livecode
Sorry, my last post had a typo. Now it is correct. > Beat C. wrote: > What I need is to get the RGB of a specific screen > location - I need to make an avarage of e.g. 5x5 pixels. Make a new small stack with a button. Script it as given below. On mouseUp the average is taken from the 5x5-rect

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Beat C. wrote: > What I need is to get the RGB of a specific screen > location - I need to make an avarage of e.g. 5x5 pixels. Make a new small stack with a button. Script it as given below. On mouseUp the average is taken from the 5x5-rect left of the topleft of your stack. - begin button

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread hh via use-livecode
Try if there is no img "temp" then create invisible img "temp" export snapshot from rect to img "temp" as PNG Then average the imagedata of that image. If you would like to use transparency then also use the alphadata. This is for desktop, on mobile there are some specials (see the

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread dunbarxx via use-livecode
A kluge, but couldn't you: on mouseUp set the screenMouseLoc to "200,200" answer the mouseColor end mouseUp I just threw this together, so you might want to restore the original mouseLoc, and locking the screen might be useful. Craig Newman -- Sent from:

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread hh via use-livecode
Try if there is no img "temp" then create invisible img "temp" export snapshot from rect to img "temp" as PNG Then average the imagedata of that image. If you would like to use transparency then also use the alphadata. This is for desktop, on mobile there are some specials (see the

Re: Error in loading "ws.goulding.script-library.mergjson"

2019-01-07 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
On desktop: No problem Installed in iOS, iPhone 7 with 12.1.2: no problem Only Android do you get the message: Remote: stack "ws.goulding.script-library.mergjson": execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: could not decode JSON: unexpected token near end of file) near

Re: Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Seems like it was answered the same day by Phil Davis Lagi Phil Davis via use-livecode Mon, 31 Dec 2018, 17:51 (7 days ago) to Beat, Phil set the screenMouseLoc to globalLoc(tLocWithinMyStack) put the mouseColor into tTheColorAtThatScreenLoc Phil Davis On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 12:10, Beat Cornaz

Get RGB color of a specific screen location

2019-01-07 Thread Beat Cornaz via use-livecode
I have asked this befor, but for the first time did not get any answer on my post. So I hope you don't mind that I try again :-) How do I get the RGB color of a pixel of an image? I know the function the MouseColor, which gives me the RGB numbers under the cursor. What I need is to get the RGB of

Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

2019-01-07 Thread Simon Knight via use-livecode
> On 7 Jan 2019, at 08:16, Kay C Lan via use-livecode > wrote: > > And a spookily well timed questions; it's as if the late great Bill > Marriot hearkens from the grave. Bill was responsible for the focus > that took a very flakey Revolution, create the RQCC and develop what > is clearly a

Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

2019-01-07 Thread Kay C Lan via use-livecode
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:26 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > > Simon Knight wrote: > > One question why does this thread refer to RQCC ? > Richard Replied: > Old habits. The bug database used to be called the "Revolution Quality > Control Center", and the acronym is forever stuck in