Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-08 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Bob, that is exactly what the schools and university licenses are. Plus, the apps developed with them the are non-expiring (which is probably a good thing since many students will want to continue using their apps and not have them go p and disappear). School is $25 a seat per year, and

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-08 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Speaking of an educational license, perhaps consider, now that a lot of learning is online, having the ability to "assign" a seat license an email and password, so that someone could teach an online course, and distribute each seat license to students for the duration of the class. Upon

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-07 Thread kee nethery via use-livecode
> On Sep 2, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode > wrote: > > HI Kee, > > You do know the schools license gives you complete access to all 7 platforms > and permanent standalones for $25 a seat per year and the apps are > non-expiring? Did not know that. Kee

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
HI Kee, You do know the schools license gives you complete access to all 7 platforms and permanent standalones for $25 a seat per year and the apps are non-expiring? > On Sep 2, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Kee Nethery via use-livecode > wrote: > > I like the idea of a free version that does not

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 9/2/21 12:34 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote: Here’s the calculations as it stands for the new Standard Plan. 1 platform = $300 2 platforms = $500 ($200 more) 3 platforms = $900 (another $400 more ??) 4 platforms = $1000 ($100 more ) 5 platforms = $1500 ($500 more [mind blown]) 6

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
>> I can understand why there are users who feel betrayed by the company especially with the new pricing structure, and the discontinuance of support for the Community version which was even paid for in a marketing campaign in advance of it’s release. << The vast majority of the money contributed

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Rick has brought to mind an interesting point about the new pricing model. It’s one that I think of occasionally. Currently and in the new model we pay for each deployment. But it’s a bit odd. Surely what we should be paying for is the Core engine and then smaller amounts for each deployment

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Kee Nethery via use-livecode
I like the idea of a free version that does not compile into an app. Lets schools teach LiveCode and lets people learn it before deciding to buy it. My two cents Kee Nethery ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread doc hawk via use-livecode
Rick rumbled, > It would be nice if the company were willing to provide the final version of > the Community > version under an MIT license instead of GPL since they will no longer be > supporting it at all, and > it marks a true fork in the road from the codebase going forward. While it

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
Hi Dan, Yes, there were a lot of us who specifically contributed to make the Community version possible as open source. One of the justifications was that if the company went under we would still have the Community version available to us. The promise that the company would also support it

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
I think I’ll head over there and. See if there is any will to maintain an aspect of the language as open source - I think there are a couple of options: 1. The server 2. The language with a focus on was and web I would think that with these components open, this is in no way incompatible with

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
We are of course incredibly grateful for the contributions we have received, all of which were spent on the project over many years. However I would note that 90%+ of all crowd funding campaign support came from license holders, the majority in the form of future license purchases. Commercial

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
The vast majority of those who contributed to the Kickstarter were rewarded with something other than the free product. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28379192 I suggest you go read the comments on the Forum and see who is being harsh. LC Ltd made a change that is within their rights to

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
"I can only assume many of them used LC simply because it was free of charge, disliking that doing so in future will entail them making some contribution to the cost of progress." That's a bit harsh, are you forgetting the amount of money that was contributed by users to the fund raisers over the

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
Brian... your price lock lapsed in January 2019. The last payment we received was in 2018, hence it could hardly be described as having been "kept active". Please contact support to discuss your exact licensing situation, I think you will find it more satisfactory than you realise. Best

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Brian Duck via use-livecode
Check your email.., > On Sep 1, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode > wrote: > > I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised. Mine was cancelled via email from cleverbridge: Your subscription for "LiveCode Indy - Price Lock" has been canceled. >

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
I just hope that my Price Lock Indy subscription will continue as promised. Kevin did say yesterday that "if we promised something in the past we do honour it” and back when I started my Indy sub I was told that my subscription will 'remain at the same cost for as long as I keep it active' –

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
FWIW over on the forums the sentiment seems to be mostly hostile to these changes. Many are talking of collecting and hosting past "community" installers to get around these changes by LC Ltd, others talking of jumping ship. Over there the attitude is "the sky is falling". I can only assume many

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Extending on something Bernd said, I would hope the gang will consider is keeping portions that are built upon the engine OSS, even with a restrictive commercial license. Something else for all of us to remember, when LC went OSS, there was a reason, and at least part of that was financial. As

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread David V Glasgow via use-livecode
> On 1 Sep 2021, at 11:26 am, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode > wrote: > > There you had a group of programmers who supposedly loved what > HyperCard could do, but they only loved that concept as a historical > artefact, not as a tool available to people now. Abso-frogging-lutely. The

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
I can't say this surprises me. I didn't expect the open source offering to do anything but cut into the bottom line. But certainty isn't achieved until something is tried and actual results obtained. One of the good things about having the code source was that there have been times when I've

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Alex, i am not sure, if everyone is aware of it, but standalones that were created with the Starter Plan license will expire as soon as the Startert Plan subscription expires. Matthias > Am 01.09.2021 um 10:29 schrieb Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > : > > Thanks Curry. You are absolutely

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-01 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
Thanks Curry. You are absolutely right, everything I said was about the starter plan, not the standard plan. With that correction: “I am surprised there is no annual option on the starter (hobbyist) plan”. Thanks, Alex the hobbyist. Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Sep 2021, at 01:55, Curry

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Alex: > I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option > on the standard plan. The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan "The LiveCode standard plan is an annual subscription which starts at $299 per deployment platform per year" "LiveCode Starter Plan A great way to get started with

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 31/08/2021 19:28, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: You can only buy one plan time per person. Or if you are an organization, again you all need to be on the same plan. You can't buy two $9.99 platforms - Starter pricing is intended to be just that, to make it easy and accessible to

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
You can only buy one plan time per person. Or if you are an organization, again you all need to be on the same plan. You can't buy two $9.99 platforms - Starter pricing is intended to be just that, to make it easy and accessible to get started. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Kaveh via use-livecode
OK. Price per month: - Starter plan Mac – £7.99 - Starter plan Windows – £7.99 - Starter Mac + Windows – £24.99 What am I missing? On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 18:03, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Don't forget the discount for however long that's

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Don't forget the discount for however long that's good for On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 1:00 PM Kaveh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing! > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 17:07, Andre Garzia via use-livecode < >

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Kaveh via use-livecode
Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing! On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 17:07, Andre Garzia via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > here is the announcement: https://livecode.org/ > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list >