Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-28 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I'm amazed that there can be an RFC for this. As is evident from the posts, it's a matter of personal preference and which mail system you use. There are several. Before the Eternal September, incorrect formatting was one

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:31 PM, hh h...@livecode.org wrote: [Richard H. wrote:] Listserves and usenet on the one hand, and web fora on the other, are completely different creatures. No, some of the users are. It's sometimes just another kind of thinking, of being ready or not for changes.

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 18:03, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 3:31 PM, hh h...@livecode.org wrote: [Richard H. wrote:] Listserves and usenet on the one hand, and web fora on the other, are completely different creatures. No, some of the users are. It's sometimes just another kind of

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: I like the way Gmail compress previously quoted text into a small ellipsis button; very little wasted screen space, maintains continuity of the thread very nicely and allows quick access if you need to refer.

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
I prefer bottom posting too, but since I started answering occasionally from my tablet (like now) I've found it's difficult to do. So now my style varies depending on what kind of electronics I'm using, and I became more lenient when I see it from others. I think our new electronics may have

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Alain Farmer
My two cents worth, I love y'all and want to continue to communicate with you, but, let's face it, this is a VERY-busy mailing-list. So busy it is hard to keep-up, or even read most messages anymore. My webmail-client often puts our mail-list messages in my spam folder. For actively working on

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 19:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: I prefer bottom posting too, but since I started answering occasionally from my tablet (like now) I've found it's difficult to do. So now my style varies depending on what kind of electronics I'm using, and I became more lenient when I see it from

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I prefer bottom posting too, but since I started answering occasionally from my tablet (like now) I've found it's difficult to do. So now my style varies depending on what kind of electronics I'm using, and I became more lenient when I

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/27/2014, 12:37 PM, Richmond wrote: You should be careful with the sexual abuse police out and about: we wouldn't want our stalwart Lady of Xcode going to prison for bottom posting now would we! It would likely reduce sexual abuse proclivities for anyone who saw it. -- Jacqueline Landman

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 21:49, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/27/2014, 12:37 PM, Richmond wrote: You should be careful with the sexual abuse police out and about: we wouldn't want our stalwart Lady of Xcode going to prison for bottom posting now would we! It would likely reduce sexual abuse proclivities for

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/27/2014, 1:23 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: An email client should have a preference for setting top or bottom posting in replies. It does, and I used to switch it every time I answered on the list. But it's a pain and requires multiple clicks into K9's dozens of prefs, so I stopped. I

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote: A good example of how poor software design interferes with usability. An email client should have a preference for setting top or bottom posting in replies I filed bug report [#11562437] Reply format encourages

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
I'm amazed that there can be an RFC for this. As is evident from the posts, it's a matter of personal preference and which mail system you use. My personal preference is top posting but if someone prefers bottom posting, that's fine too/ It's like the whole forum vs email listing. Some people

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-26 Thread Marc Van Cauwenberghe
I totally agree Hermann, User-list people and forum people tend to be different animals. That is what I understand after seeing this crop up several times. Being able to search the knowledge in one place is what I am looking for and then an integration is better. See my feature request here:

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-26 Thread hh
[Kay wrote:] ... this List is the fastest option I've got... hope you find an advantage in both. You also are mixing a purely formal usability and content arguments. You could use Lynx (Lynxlet on Mac) ... Who would have thought that Arduino posts would have been categorised under either

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread dunbarx
Hello, Hermann. Welcome to the dark side. But what do you suggest? Merging? Discarding one in favor of the other, to provide only a single venue for LC discussion? There was a poll taken a year or two ago about which forum was the most favorite among the helpers. You have sort of voted for

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richmond
On 25/07/14 16:41, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Hello, Hermann. Welcome to the dark side. But what do you suggest? Merging? Discarding one in favor of the other, to provide only a single venue for LC discussion? There was a poll taken a year or two ago about which forum was the most favorite

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread hh
Hi Craig, But what do you suggest? To integrate the use-list into the forum, in its own first level sub-forum. There is an RSS option available, yields pretty much the same 'news'-effects. Hermann On 25 Jul 2014, at 15:41, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Hello, Hermann. Welcome to the dark

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread dunbarx
: Maiden speech from an old man On 25/07/14 16:41, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Hello, Hermann. Welcome to the dark side. But what do you suggest? Merging? Discarding one in favor of the other, to provide only a single venue for LC discussion? There was a poll taken a year or two ago about

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread hh
Richmond, you certaily don't want that coffee or tea determine who's talking with whom. Hermann ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richmond
On 25/07/14 17:41, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. The only thing that matters to me is that new users be able to find and participate in a forum of any kind at all. If two separate ones throws a wider net, I am for it. That said, I think two forums dilute the interchange of ideas. So I

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Alex Tweedly
On 25/07/2014 16:24, Richmond wrote (my emphasis added): From my point of view the *only thing that is an advantage* of the Use-List is that messages come sequentially: one doesn't have to keep hunting through the sections of the Forums to find out whether new posting are there. What more

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
hh wrote: This is my first speech here Very glad to see you here. I figured you'd wind up here sooner or later. :) Let's find a way to come closer in the community, to come together, right now. Why not make an Insider's corner in the forum? I'm not opposed, but given that newcomers

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread larry
, July 25, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Maiden speech from an old man On 25/07/2014 16:24, Richmond wrote (my emphasis added): From my point of view the *only thing that is an advantage* of the Use-List is that messages come sequentially: one doesn't have to keep hunting through the sections

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Tweedly wrote: It's beyond me how anyone can be bothered with the forums (which makes me wonder if what I need for the forums is a Forums for Dummies guide). How do you tell which forums and/or which topics have posts you haven't read yet ? How do you tell which forums and/or which topics

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Peter Haworth
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote: If I could solve those questions then I might have a chance of sticking to using the forums for more than a couple of days. The topic comes up ever so often, I go look at the forums, see ow much good stuff there is in there,

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
larry wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I wish RunRev would allow me to add MY OWN notes to the Dictionary. I've said it before* and I'll say it again: I wish anyone here wanted this sort of notebook badly enough to just write it as a plugin. I appreciate your submitting an

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread larry
- Original Message - From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Maiden speech from an old man larry wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I wish RunRev would allow me to add MY OWN notes

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richmond
I just had a look at the Dictionary [6.6.2] and clicked on about notes and got a window/stack called Popup Help and had this in a sort of red-wine mixed with milk colour: Contributing notes to the Revolution dictionary is easy and helps make Revolution easier to use. Now the question I cannot

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: I just had a look at the Dictionary [6.6.2] and clicked on about notes and got a window/stack called Popup Help and had this in a sort of red-wine mixed with milk colour: Contributing notes to the Revolution dictionary is easy and helps make Revolution easier to use. Now the

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richmond
On 25/07/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: I just had a look at the Dictionary [6.6.2] and clicked on about notes and got a window/stack called Popup Help and had this in a sort of red-wine mixed with milk colour: Contributing notes to the Revolution dictionary is easy and helps

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richmond
On 25/07/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: I just had a look at the Dictionary [6.6.2] and clicked on about notes and got a window/stack called Popup Help and had this in a sort of red-wine mixed with milk colour: Contributing notes to the Revolution dictionary is easy and helps

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/25/2014, 11:20 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: To download for offline reading see Jacque's helpful tip on setting up email subscription for the entire forum: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2014-June/202871.html It's a stopgap solution that I use daily, but even so it doesn't

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richmond
On 25/07/14 20:47, Richmond wrote: On 25/07/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: I just had a look at the Dictionary [6.6.2] and clicked on about notes and got a window/stack called Popup Help and had this in a sort of red-wine mixed with milk colour: Contributing notes to the

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Scott Rossi
Hi Hermann: Jacque summed up the issue well, as has been done many times. Her points explain why many of us choose to participate more on this list, rather than the forums -- none of the reasons have to do with exclusivity or knowing veteran developers. What's funny is, forum users have often

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote: What more advantage does anyone need ? It's beyond me how anyone can be bothered with the forums (which makes me wonder if what I need for the forums is a Forums for Dummies guide). Yes. Listserves and usenet on the one

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread hh
[Alex wrote:] So - is there a beginner's guide? See below, the short paragraph to RSS Reader. This is faster than your Browser and faster than your Mailer and answers all your (ironic) questions leading to this question. After what I've seen from you, I know you'll need at most 5 minutes of

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
hh wrote: [Richard H. wrote:] Listserves and usenet on the one hand, and web fora on the other, are completely different creatures. No, some of the users are. It's sometimes just another kind of thinking, of being ready or not for changes. I like the spirit of adventure in that last line.

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread hh
[Richard wrote:] ;) Is the first tutorial of the new WebKit (about that) already work in progress, or are they waiting until HTML5 is running? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Mark Wieder
Hermann- Friday, July 25, 2014, 3:31:09 PM, you wrote: [Scott wrote:] It goes both ways. Jacque (and Richard) have explained how this is sort of possible. The collected mailing lists are one way but -- for me -- very nasty. I can read very fast, but it's also very hard to filter out

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread stephen barncard
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: I rarely venture onto the web forum, and when I do it's a pretty shallow overview of recent activity in selected topics. I want to play with the big kids too. Don't like the web based thing either. *--* *Stephen

Re: Maiden speech from an old man

2014-07-25 Thread Kay C Lan
I'm with Jacque on this one, i just don't have the bandwidth; neither mental or telecom. On a news report last night they said that 50% of the world's population have never made or received a phone call. Personally I don't believe that but I can make up a statistic that confirms that most people