Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I could have sired a child who was just now graduating high school! :-) Bob S > On Oct 3, 2021, at 09:16 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > >> - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries > > LOL.

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-10-03 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:  - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries LOL. That request is now some 17 years old. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1712 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
er On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
>> Roger >> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >>>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >>>&

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
ly via use-livecode wrote: >>>> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >>>> >>>>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content >>>>> in there but it has the issues you list. >>> So I had

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
> >>>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content >>>> in there but it has the issues you list. >> >> So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. >> There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland wh

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
ia use-livecode wrote: >> >>> Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in >>> there but it has the issues you list. > > So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for revonline. > There's an old joke about a tour

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
for revonline. There's an old joke about a tourist in Ireland who realizes she(*) is lost, and ask for directions from an old farmer at the side of the road. "Well", says he, "if I wanted to go there, I wouldn't start from here." I found the revonline scripts rather complex, a

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
er ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Develop Yourself On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via use-livecode" wrote: In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say ho

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-06 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
use-livecode" wrote: In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no support for script-only sta

Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-06 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most libraries wi

new stack script comparison plugin on RevOnline

2015-01-16 Thread Phil Davis
Hi folks, Recently I built a plugin that helped me stop beating my head against the wall quite so often. It lets me compare the script of a stack I'm editing to a copy on disk, and yields 100% accurate results in a very usable format. I just uploaded it to RevOnline. Here is the write-up

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote: I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. I just spent 45 minutes figuring out that when you use the revZip external, you sometimes have to enclose your

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 17:01, Peter M. Brigham snip (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) That is slightly misleading: My commercial ventures (such as they are: gross income for 2014 = 20 Euros) are all made

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote: OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. Forgot to say, make sure the plugin is set to open at LC startup. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter M. Brigham wrote: (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work. Can

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 17:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter M. Brigham wrote: (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without ever noticing that my

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter M. Brigham wrote: (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without ever

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 17:38, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter M. Brigham wrote: (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.) I must have missed something, as I've been

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
My stacks are not password protected, I just have an ask password barrier to accessing the data. I may be misremembering, so that may not have been the problem. I just recall being blocked at the outset and deciding not to bother running anything beyond 5.5.1. At some point I'll try it again.

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond
On 27/07/14 18:00, Peter M. Brigham wrote: My stacks are not password protected, I just have an ask password barrier to accessing the data. I may be misremembering, so that may not have been the problem. I just recall being blocked at the outset and deciding not to bother running anything

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote: OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry every time with

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote: OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry every time with

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks for this Peter, installed and working fine. I added a couple of things to it - saving the htmltext of the note into the array so simple formatting is maintained - An index of all the user notes in alpha order, accessible by shift clicking the user note pseudo button. Pete lcSQL Software

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Whoops, pressed send too soon. How can I get this version to you/the list? Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the dictionary for the same term in some cases (e.g hilite is a command and a

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread larry
Hello Peter, I went to your link below. I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack. Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder? Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie. Thanks, Larry OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. I

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Whoops, pressed send too soon. How can I get this version to you/the list? Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the dictionary for

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hello Peter, I went to your link below. I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack. Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder? Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie. No, just drop it into your plugins folder and restart

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/27/2014, 1:31 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On the Mac these days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app package (LiveCode xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the plugins folder should be visible with no hassle. That folder is meant only for the plugins that ship with

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/27/2014, 1:31 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On the Mac these days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app package (LiveCode xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the plugins folder should be visible with no hassle. That

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Whoops, pressed send too soon. How can I get this version to you/the list? Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the dictionary for

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread larry
OK, thanks Peter. I'll wait for the improvements. Larry - Original Message - From: Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:31 PM Subject: Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary On Jul 27, 2014

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
. Larry - Original Message - From: Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:31 PM Subject: Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote

RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Charles E Buchwald
I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. I just spent 45 minutes figuring out that when you use the revZip external, you sometimes have to enclose your variable names in quotes. As usual I searched the list

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
Charles E Buchwald wrote: I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. There's a project in the IDE Contributors section of the forum for improving RevOnline: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67t=20566

Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Thanks for the update, Richard. On 14 Jul 2014, at 11:44 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Charles E Buchwald wrote: I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again. There's a project in the IDE

revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
What's going on with revOnline when accessed from the IDE, Developer menu? I'm trying to download Richard's property inspector and it seems to hang. I try to log in and it won't recognize my password, and won't try to reset my password. Fortunately, the web site version works fine. Bill

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
In revOnline window, from LC 6.6.0 dp-1, it is hanging the entire app. I get the following error message when i do an Apple-period command: - The following server error was encountered

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread BNig
Hi William, see Bug 11387 in Quality Control Center http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 It seems to be a rather nasty problem since it is not always reproducible. Although I experience what you describe every time. Kind regards Bernd -- View this message in context:

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread proth...@earthednet.org
Bernd: It's a pity. I was trying to download Richard Gaskin's prop inspector, but can't find it on the web site. Anyway, I've gotta get back to some productive work. Best, bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:40 PM, BNig bernd.niggem...@uni-wh.de wrote: Hi

Re: revOnline is funky

2014-03-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
prothero wrote: I was trying to download Richard Gaskin's prop inspector, but can't find it on the web site. 4W Props is in RevNet, which predates RevOnline by a couple years (and has unfortunately proven more reliable). RevNet is accessible within the LC IDE through its bundled plugin

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Peter Haworth
I know RunRev have some amazingly talented people available to them but fixing the day beats it all! RevOnline seems to be OK again with 5.5.4. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Maybe there was a problem

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Roger Eller
next week. :) RevOnline seems to be OK again with 5.5.4. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? Er... that should read maybe the *problem* got

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/2/13 11:49 AM, Roger Eller wrote: On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I know RunRev have some amazingly talented people available to them but fixing the day beats it all! RunRev is *obviously* harnessing the power of time travel from a stack by J.

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 12:04:19 PM, you wrote: I wish I could get it to access next year reliably. There's some features I need. That's easy. Just wait until a day after next year. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Kay- Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 6:38:08 PM, you wrote: No, the day was definitely broken but after that post it's much better now. That must be why they call it daybreak. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/2/13 2:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Kay- Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 6:38:08 PM, you wrote: No, the day was definitely broken but after that post it's much better now. That must be why they call it daybreak. You came out of your corner, didn't you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 1:10:25 PM, you wrote: You came out of your corner, didn't you. Nuthin' but the groundhog in me (Bow-wow-wow yippee-yo yippee-yay) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: revOnline

2013-10-02 Thread Scott Rossi
Why must you always chase the cat? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 10/2/13 6:48 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Jacque- Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 1:10:25 PM, you wrote: You came out of your corner, didn't you. Nuthin' but the

revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Peter Haworth
revOnline appears to be completely dead - searching doesn't work and clicking a keyword does nothing either. Anyone having the same experience? Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Warren Samples
On 10/01/2013 05:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: revOnline appears to be completely dead - searching doesn't work and clicking a keyword does nothing either. Anyone having the same experience? Pete All these functions seem to be working normally here in LC 6.1.1 and 6.5dp1. Warren

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks, yes they work OK in 6.1.1. I guess I'll have to stop using 5.5.4 which is where I came across the problem. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Warren Samples war...@warrensweb.us wrote: On 10/01/2013 05:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: revOnline

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Pete- Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 4:55:06 PM, you wrote: Thanks, yes they work OK in 6.1.1. I guess I'll have to stop using 5.5.4 which is where I came across the problem. Working for me here with 5.5.4. Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? -- -Mark Wieder

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? Er... that should read maybe the *problem* got fixed, not the day... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: revOnline

2013-10-01 Thread Kay C Lan
No, the day was definitely broken but after that post it's much better now. Thanks ;-) On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Maybe there was a problem earlier in the day that got fixed? Er... that should read maybe the *problem* got fixed, not the day...

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-02 Thread Heather Laine
:) Yes Monte, I do. I expect them to use it - according to the clearly defined terms of the accompanying license. LiveCode's IDE has always been open and available for people to use, copy and learn from. I guess I shouldn't post late in the evening without due thought and consideration. I

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-02 Thread Monte Goulding
It's nice when you guys get involved. I totally agree with the logic behind what you said by the way. Unfortunately this stuff isn't as logical as we often assume it is ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/08/2013, at 5:16 PM,

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-02 Thread Mark Wilcox
Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:  It's nice when you guys get involved. I totally agree with the logic behind what you said by the way. Unfortunately this stuff isn't as logical as we often assume it is ;-) I also think the law in this area is bonkers and agree with the more

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Robert Mann
So to sum it up : 1. Situation is a big mess :: all stacks published at revOnline are ab initio protected by copyright, which is in apparent conflict with the purpose of revOnline, which is to share code ideas and code. 2. Authors SHOULD specify the terms and license they agree upon 3. Clearly

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Robert, I would think that it is clear to users that sharing code (rather than stacks) in the code section of RevOnline, implies that people can use it to learn from. Copying and using it would violate copyright, but studying the code and reverse-engineering it would be a form of fair use

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Kevin Miller
I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnline is automatically public domain, *unless

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kevin Miller wrote: I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnline is automatically public

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
code and most definitely are derivative works and thus subject to the GPL. 5) Regardless of licensing issues, you can do whatever you want with (non-password protected) stacks you find on revOnline or anywhere else with the community edition *for your own use* - its further distribution of what

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
Kevin Miller wrote: I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnline is automatically public

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: As the author of the seminal Economic paper on the subject, I chose viral and public quite deliberately. That's certainly your right, or anyone's right, regardless of any academic

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: I would think that it is clear to users that sharing code (rather than stacks) in the code section of RevOnline, implies that people can use it to learn from. Copying and using it would violate copyright

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
works. Can't do that without violating the copyright. So that practice of using revOnline as a source of inspiration should not break copyright rules??? Inspiration, yes. Code, no. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Mark Wilcox m_p_wil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: 3) Stackfiles are (almost certainly) not derivative works. The content of stacks is generated by LiveCode but they do not contain bits of the engine code. If they don't contain *any* code, I agree. If I designed

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 12:52 PM, Robert Mann wrote: So to sum it up : 1. Situation is a big mess :: all stacks published at revOnline are ab initio protected by copyright, which is in apparent conflict with the purpose of revOnline, which is to share code ideas and code. 2. Authors SHOULD specify

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 03:56 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: I think most of the people sharing on revOnline are happy for their ideas to be used, otherwise they wouldn't have uploaded the stacks. However I do agree that some legal clarification is a good idea. How about we state that everything on revOnline

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: If they don't contain *any* code, I agree.  If I designed such a file format, it would only have descriptions of what the user did, and would be pure ascii. I can't tell; there are certainly non-ascii characters in there, and I just don't know what

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mark Wilcox
countries but have been adjusted to be broadly the same in most of the developed world at least. From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2013, 16:30 Subject: Re: revOnline and Open

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mike Kerner
This is just awful and freudian at the same time. I did a double-take when I read the subject this time, because for a second I thought it was revOnline and Open Sores On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Mark Wilcox m_p_wil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Richmond wrote: If copyright is not explicitly

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
I'm in favor of a statement making it clear what the conditions for uploading stacks to revOnline are. I'm not in favor of allowing those terms to be overriden by people setting their own licensing terms on a stack by stack basis. The whole point of revOnline is to freely and openly share code

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Robert Mann
I totally agree with you :: things should be simple. Simple for us, simple for th experimented commercial developer helping us out, simple for Kevin, simple for the 12 yrs old newcomer, simple and clear for everybody := revOnline =equals= freely shared no strings attached. Full point. I believe

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 07:34 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: This is just awful and freudian at the same time. I did a double-take when I read the subject this time, because for a second I thought it was revOnline and Open Sores LOL! The whole thing does look a bit like an Open Sore. Richmond

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Mike Kerner
it's not the site, it was just the title of the thread and the strong reaction it seems to evoke. I don't use revOnline, so I can't comment on it. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 08/01/2013 07:34 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: This is just awful

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 09:25 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: it's not the site, it was just the title of the thread and the strong reaction it seems to evoke. I don't use revOnline, so I can't comment on it. Well, I started the thread, and the reaction was both amazing, and, I believe, healthy; surely

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
as part of the upload process with the option to enter your own. The chosen license is then displayed where you might download the stack. All current stacks just get listed as unspecified license until owners update them. This whole topic has made me wonder if revOnline handles password protected

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
On 02/08/2013, at 2:58 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: The whole point of revOnline is to freely and openly share code with no strings attached. If that's not what you want to do, then you should find a location that is more appropriate to your objectives. Hmm... Mark Wieder said he

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Heather Laine
Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look at it! I've nothing against people protecting their code if they want

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
On 02/08/2013, at 6:40 AM, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: I've nothing against people protecting their code if they want to. It's theirs. But if they upload it, openly, to a shared site… what do they expect people to do with it? You do realise that all of RunRev's IP is openly

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Monte Goulding
On 02/08/2013, at 12:25 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: If they don't contain *any* code, I agree. If I designed such a file format, it would only have descriptions of what the user did, and would be pure ascii. I can't tell; there are certainly non-ascii characters in there, and

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richard Gaskin
Heather Laine wrote: Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? There may be many reasons: - The stack may be a tutorial, and while the code techniques it describes may be shareable there may be libraries or other code driving

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Richmond
On 08/01/2013 11:40 PM, Heather Laine wrote: Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look at it! I've nothing

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: Call me naive but.. if you don't want to share your code, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Jacques Hausser
Why is it so complicate nowadays to remain simple ? Jacques ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Read Simplexity by Jeoffrey Kluger Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jacques Hausser jacques.haus...@unil.chwrote: Why is it so complicate nowadays to remain simple ? Jacques ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Haworth
...or Wrong by David Freedman. Slightly different focus - it's about why experts are very frequently wrong. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jacques Hausser jacques.haus...@unil.chwrote: Why is it so complicate nowadays to remain simple ? Jacques

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-08-01 Thread Marian Petrides MD
, why on earth would you upload it to revOnline? Its kinda like painting a picture, hanging it on the wall, and then telling folks, hey, thats my picture, don't look at it! I've nothing against people protecting their code if they want to. It's theirs. But if they upload it, openly

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Robert Mann
of the author is not specified in the stack, then it'll be hard to argue against common knowledge. Clearly it would simplify to be able to add at the publication step a corresponding OSS declaration. I strangely assumed so far that contributions at revOnline were for the common good, thus freely

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Robert, Anonymous works are still copyrighted by the anonymous author. If the author ever decides to reveal him/herself, he can claim this copyright. Contributions to RevOnline are not anonymous. If need be, they can be traced back to an account and a user. This makes it easier to claim

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: On the frontier :: if the name of the author is not specified in the stack, then it'll be hard to argue against common knowledge. That just isn't the law. Not in the US, and AFAIK, not any country subscribing to the Berne

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Richmond
at revOnline were for the common good, thus freely re-usable common knowledge. Are there any other folks around who though so? yes; Me! Richmond. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revOnline-and-Open-Source-tp4668100p4668171.html Sent from the Revolution

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, Yes, the license of the community version does infect executables built with it, but not automatically. The author still has to include the license with the software and if s/he doesn't do that, copright applies automatically and the author would be violating LiveCode's open source

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Robert Mann rman at free.fr wrote: On the frontier :: if the name of the author is not specified in the stack, then it'll be hard to argue against common knowledge. That just isn't the law. Not in the US, and AFAIK, not any country

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Copyright Law aside, Isn't revOnline a place to openly 'share' code with other users. In fact what other purpose does revOnline perform? Doesn't the idea of sharing code openly in a public space enough to declare it as public? Or is that presuming too much? Tom -- Tom McGrath III http

Re: revOnline and Open Source

2013-07-31 Thread Richard Gaskin
Thomas McGrath III wrote: Copyright Law aside, Isn't revOnline a place to openly 'share' code with other users. In fact what other purpose does revOnline perform? Doesn't the idea of sharing code openly in a public space enough to declare it as public? Or is that presuming too much? Sharing

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