Re: Android Status Bar

[scott--- via use-livecode]

I decided to make a simple test stack… which I should have done before my 
initial post. In my experimentation, if the Standalone Application Settings are 
used to hide the Status Bar then the command  “mobileShowStatusBar" will have 
have no effect when used later in the running app.   If the Standalone 
Application Settings are used to show the Status Bar then “mobileHideStatusBar" 
only hides the icons in the bar (well, most of them) but not the actual bar 
itself. While this has a certain logic, it is quite different than the way it 
works on an iPhone. On iOS the actual bar is hidden thereby making that space 
available to the application. This can be useful when rotating to landscape. In 
my case I am working to adapt an existing iOS app and I was confused as to why 
mobileHideStatusBar wasn’t freeing up space when rotating to landscape. 

(Brian, I looked through the SivaSiva app and couldn’t find any screens with a 
Status Bar showing though the app is huge and admittedly I did not examine 
every screen :- )
—
Scott Morrow

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm...
> 
> SivaSiva shows/hides the status bar.  Checking the launcher app settings, it 
> does have the status bar set to hidden.  So based on that, just use the 
> hidden option and show the status bar as required while inside the app.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 9:19 PM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jacque. Then that IS pretty confusing since the Standalone 
>> Application Settings have a “Status Bar” setting and it appears to control 
>> the bar at the top of the screen which is what I would expect to match up 
>> with the Status Bar on iOS. I guess that will require a feature request… and 
>> maybe a documentation adjustment.
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
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>>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think "status bar" may be a misnomer and it's referring to the three (or 
>>> two on Android 10) buttons that are always available at the bottom of the 
>>> screen. Those are the Back, Home, and (sometimes) the Recents buttons. 
>>> Virtually all Android devices use these "soft buttons" now.
>>> 
>>> I could be wrong but I've never seen those buttons at the top of the screen 
>>> in the status bar area.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 On October 12, 2020 3:11:18 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 I seem able to hide or show the Android status bar using the radio button 
 in the Standalone Application Settings. I don’t seem able to to this on 
 the fly using  mobileHideStatusBar  or  mobileShowStatusBar once the app 
 is running.
 
 Dictionary:
 "mobileHideStatusBar does not have any effect
  on any Android devices with "hardware buttons”
  embedded in the status bar.
 
 I don’t think what I’m testing has these buttons in the status bar, though 
 I’m new to android, so I could be confused.  Even so, the fact that I can 
 hide or show the Android status bar from the Standalone Application 
 Settings seems to indicate that it should be possible…
 
 I didn’t see anything in bugzilla. Has anyone else run into this?
 --
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Re: Android Status Bar

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Hmmm...

SivaSiva shows/hides the status bar.  Checking the launcher app settings, it 
does have the status bar set to hidden.  So based on that, just use the hidden 
option and show the status bar as required while inside the app.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 9:19 PM, scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jacque. Then that IS pretty confusing since the Standalone 
> Application Settings have a “Status Bar” setting and it appears to control 
> the bar at the top of the screen which is what I would expect to match up 
> with the Status Bar on iOS. I guess that will require a feature request… and 
> maybe a documentation adjustment.
> --
> Scott Morrow
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web   https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
> booth1-360-734-4701
> --
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think "status bar" may be a misnomer and it's referring to the three (or 
>> two on Android 10) buttons that are always available at the bottom of the 
>> screen. Those are the Back, Home, and (sometimes) the Recents buttons. 
>> Virtually all Android devices use these "soft buttons" now.
>> 
>> I could be wrong but I've never seen those buttons at the top of the screen 
>> in the status bar area.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On October 12, 2020 3:11:18 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I seem able to hide or show the Android status bar using the radio button 
>>> in the Standalone Application Settings. I don’t seem able to to this on the 
>>> fly using  mobileHideStatusBar  or  mobileShowStatusBar once the app is 
>>> running.
>>> 
>>> Dictionary:
>>>  "mobileHideStatusBar does not have any effect
>>>   on any Android devices with "hardware buttons”
>>>   embedded in the status bar.
>>> 
>>> I don’t think what I’m testing has these buttons in the status bar, though 
>>> I’m new to android, so I could be confused.  Even so, the fact that I can 
>>> hide or show the Android status bar from the Standalone Application 
>>> Settings seems to indicate that it should be possible…
>>> 
>>> I didn’t see anything in bugzilla. Has anyone else run into this?
>>> --
>>> Scott Morrow
>>> 
>>> Elementary Software
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>>> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
>>> booth1-360-734-4701
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Re: Android Status Bar

[scott--- via use-livecode]

Thanks Jacque. Then that IS pretty confusing since the Standalone Application 
Settings have a “Status Bar” setting and it appears to control the bar at the 
top of the screen which is what I would expect to match up with the Status Bar 
on iOS. I guess that will require a feature request… and maybe a documentation 
adjustment.
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Elementary Software
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web   https://elementarysoftware.com/
email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
booth1-360-734-4701
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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think "status bar" may be a misnomer and it's referring to the three (or 
> two on Android 10) buttons that are always available at the bottom of the 
> screen. Those are the Back, Home, and (sometimes) the Recents buttons. 
> Virtually all Android devices use these "soft buttons" now.
> 
> I could be wrong but I've never seen those buttons at the top of the screen 
> in the status bar area.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On October 12, 2020 3:11:18 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I seem able to hide or show the Android status bar using the radio button in 
>> the Standalone Application Settings. I don’t seem able to to this on the fly 
>> using  mobileHideStatusBar  or  mobileShowStatusBar once the app is running.
>> 
>> Dictionary:
>>   "mobileHideStatusBar does not have any effect
>>on any Android devices with "hardware buttons”
>>embedded in the status bar.
>> 
>> I don’t think what I’m testing has these buttons in the status bar, though 
>> I’m new to android, so I could be confused.  Even so, the fact that I can 
>> hide or show the Android status bar from the Standalone Application Settings 
>> seems to indicate that it should be possible…
>> 
>> I didn’t see anything in bugzilla. Has anyone else run into this?
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>> web   https://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
>> booth1-360-734-4701
>> --

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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[John Balgenorth via use-livecode]

That looks interesting but I don’t think it mentioned
iPad, and even if they make it for iPad here is a
note they mentioned;

This will free up storage used by the app, but keep its documents and data. 
Reinstalling the app will place back your data if the app is still available in 
the App Store.

So for school children who are interested in keeping their work
for the rest of their life it all depends on Apples mood since it
will only work if the app is still available on the App Store.

Not having the ability to control your data is a threat to record
keeping, since you are now locked into your data with the app.
That is a freedom we can lose with the desktop too.  If they can
control your records to a single source it is easier to delete, I am
sure by accident, like fires burning records at court houses, or
alter the records.

JB


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:16 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> There's this, though it's up to the user:
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/07/ios-11-automatically-delete-unused-apps/
> 
> --
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> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On October 12, 2020 5:11:48 PM John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has
>> its own Documents Folder.  You can get a url to the Documents
>> Folder for  your app but not other apps.  Using that url you can
>> read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps
>> Documents Folder.  A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an
>> app.  All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also  get
>> deleted.  So if you have a Note application  and have saved a lot
>> of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when
>> that Note taking app  is deleted  all of your information you’ve
>> saved is deleted  with it.  Most likely it will not be saved to the
>> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
>> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
>> deleted with the app.
>> 
>> To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be
>> using for school because  they should be allowed to keep
>> their school work without keeping outdated apps over the
>> years they go to school.
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that 
>>> this is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a 
>>> way for an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s 
>>> storage. I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably 
>>> some kind of Xcode library.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
 mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? 
>>> I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that 
>>> some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open 
>>> such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the 
>>> user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
>>> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
>>> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at 
>>> all.
>>> 
>>> Anyone tried it?
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
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Re: Android Status Bar

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I think "status bar" may be a misnomer and it's referring to the three (or 
two on Android 10) buttons that are always available at the bottom of the 
screen. Those are the Back, Home, and (sometimes) the Recents buttons. 
Virtually all Android devices use these "soft buttons" now.


I could be wrong but I've never seen those buttons at the top of the screen 
in the status bar area.


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On October 12, 2020 3:11:18 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I seem able to hide or show the Android status bar using the radio button 
in the Standalone Application Settings. I don’t seem able to to this on the 
fly using  mobileHideStatusBar  or  mobileShowStatusBar once the app is 
running.


Dictionary:
   "mobileHideStatusBar does not have any effect
on any Android devices with "hardware buttons”
embedded in the status bar.

I don’t think what I’m testing has these buttons in the status bar, though 
I’m new to android, so I could be confused.  Even so, the fact that I can 
hide or show the Android status bar from the Standalone Application 
Settings seems to indicate that it should be possible…


I didn’t see anything in bugzilla. Has anyone else run into this?
--
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[Dev via use-livecode]

Apple is pushing everything to be saved to iCloud, so a properly written school 
app (by Apple standards!) would have all the school assignments in the 
student’s iCloud - accessible at home or school or wherever you have net access.

Kelly

> On 12Oct, 2020, at 4:09 PM, John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has
> its own Documents Folder.  You can get a url to the Documents
> Folder for  your app but not other apps.  Using that url you can
> read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps
> Documents Folder.  A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an
> app.  All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also  get
> deleted.  So if you have a Note application  and have saved a lot
> of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when
> that Note taking app  is deleted  all of your information you’ve
> saved is deleted  with it.  Most likely it will not be saved to the
> icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
> though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
> deleted with the app.
> 
> To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be
> using for school because  they should be allowed to keep
> their school work without keeping outdated apps over the
> years they go to school.
> 
> JB
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this 
>> is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for 
>> an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. 
>> I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind 
>> of Xcode library.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? 
>> I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that 
>> some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open 
>> such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the 
>> user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
>> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
>> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at 
>> all.
>> 
>> Anyone tried it?
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

There's this, though it's up to the user:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/07/ios-11-automatically-delete-unused-apps/

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On October 12, 2020 5:11:48 PM John Balgenorth via use-livecode 
 wrote:



On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has
its own Documents Folder.  You can get a url to the Documents
Folder for  your app but not other apps.  Using that url you can
read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps
Documents Folder.  A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an
app.  All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also  get
deleted.  So if you have a Note application  and have saved a lot
of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when
that Note taking app  is deleted  all of your information you’ve
saved is deleted  with it.  Most likely it will not be saved to the
icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
deleted with the app.

To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be
using for school because  they should be allowed to keep
their school work without keeping outdated apps over the
years they go to school.

JB


On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:


It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that 
this is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a 
way for an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s 
storage. I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably 
some kind of Xcode library.


Bob S


On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:


Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? 
I see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that 
some apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open 
such files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the 
user a chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all.


Anyone tried it?

Graham

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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[John Balgenorth via use-livecode]

On the iPad each app is sandboxed and that means each app has
its own Documents Folder.  You can get a url to the Documents
Folder for  your app but not other apps.  Using that url you can
read, write, append, move, and delete files that are in your apps
Documents Folder.  A BIG PROBLEM comes when you delete an
app.  All the files in the Documents Folder for your app also  get
deleted.  So if you have a Note application  and have saved a lot
of notes, those notes are saved while your app exists but when
that Note taking app  is deleted  all of your information you’ve
saved is deleted  with it.  Most likely it will not be saved to the
icloud independently so the files you have for that app even
though they exist with the app on your icloud backup will be
deleted with the app.

To me this makes the iPad a poor device for children to be
using for school because  they should be allowed to keep
their school work without keeping outdated apps over the
years they go to school.

JB


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this 
> is sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for 
> an app to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. 
> I’m not sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind 
> of Xcode library.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I 
> see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some 
> apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such 
> files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a 
> chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all.
> 
> Anyone tried it?
> 
> Graham
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Re: Compress/Decompress Inclustion?

[Bill Vlahos via use-livecode]

Once I close and remove from memory my template stack, I still see File 
Selector in the Project Browser but nowhere else in the IDE so I’m not sure how 
to remove it.

Even though I don’t create a standalone, the checkboxes for Macintosh, Windows, 
and Linux were checked. I unchecked the boxes and saved the template stack but 
the File Selector stack still gets opened when I open my template stack even 
after I quit and restart LiveCode.

I figure something must be opening it or referencing it in my template stack 
but I can’t find it.

Regarding the original aim of this email thread…I’ve isolated the problem to 
encryption/decryption as done in early versions of LiveCode such as 4.6 and 
later version such as 9.6. Trying to decrypt files saved in early versions of 
LiveCode with a modern version of LiveCode fails and vice versa.

I made a support ticket to LiveCode support on this.

Thank you,
Bill

> On Oct 11, 2020, at 7:54 PM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> Since it's a LiveCode stack, I'm not surprised it doesn't go away when you 
> remove your own stack. Once it's in memory it would stay there. If it bothers 
> you, you can close and remove it from memory separately.
> 
> But I'm not sure why it would show up in the first place. The only reference 
> I know of is in standalone settings, where it's a checkbox in the Linux pane 
> indicating you want to add it to the standalone. I suppose you could check to 
> see if that's selected, but if you aren't building for Linux then it 
> shouldn't apply. Are you running on a Linux machine? Does the template stack 
> ask the user to select any files?
> 
> 
> On October 11, 2020 7:37:14 PM Bill Vlahos  > wrote:
> 
>> When I open LiveCode and open any other stacks, the File Selector stack does 
>> not show in the Project Browser.
>> 
>> If I open my template stack in LiveCode, the File Selector shows in the 
>> Project Browser. I have substacks but File Selector is not one of them and 
>> doesn’t show up when I show substacks.
>> If I then Close and Remove from Memory my template stack, the File Selector 
>> stack still shows in the Project Browser.
>> 
>> It is like my template stack is calling or referencing the File Selector 
>> stack but I don’t see anything like Start Using...
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:04 PM, J. Landman Gay  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe that's the file selector used on Linux. It isn't usually shown. 
>>> Does it survive a restart?
>>> 
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>>>  >> >
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
>>>  >> >
> 
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Re: Anyone archived the information from http://andregarzia.com/async.irev

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Andre,
thanks for the offer, but i am sure i found now the complete information.
There was also an article written by you in the RevUp newsletter on the 12th of 
August 2010.

Here's the link, if anyone else is interested:
http://newsletters.livecode.com/august/issue98/newsletter2.php

Regards,

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 12.10.2020 um 23:18 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Friends,
> 
> I looked in my archives here but I can't find that post. I probably did
> that just to solve the size limitation for the forum and failed to archive
> it anywhere. I think that content was lost :-(
> 
> If this is a topic that you folks feel is under-explored, I could come up
> with a new post or video.
> 
> Best
> a
> 
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 00:23, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/11/20 9:46 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Matthias:
>>> Try:
>> https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/faoKGyaT/revserver-tips-spreading-the-load-or-why-wise-developers-use-asynchronous-workflows
>> <
>> https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/faoKGyaT/revserver-tips-spreading-the-load-or-why-wise-developers-use-asynchronous-workflows
>>> 
>> 
>> Bill-
>> 
>> That's an interesting archive. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, I'd
>> completely forgotten that discussion.
>> 
>> Any idea why narkive stopped collecting posts two years ago?
>> 
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Re: Anyone archived the information from http://andregarzia.com/async.irev

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hi Friends,

I looked in my archives here but I can't find that post. I probably did
that just to solve the size limitation for the forum and failed to archive
it anywhere. I think that content was lost :-(

If this is a topic that you folks feel is under-explored, I could come up
with a new post or video.

Best
a

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 00:23, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 10/11/20 9:46 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
> > Matthias:
> > Try:
> https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/faoKGyaT/revserver-tips-spreading-the-load-or-why-wise-developers-use-asynchronous-workflows
> <
> https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/faoKGyaT/revserver-tips-spreading-the-load-or-why-wise-developers-use-asynchronous-workflows
> >
>
> Bill-
>
> That's an interesting archive. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, I'd
> completely forgotten that discussion.
>
> Any idea why narkive stopped collecting posts two years ago?
>
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Android Status Bar

[scott--- via use-livecode]

I seem able to hide or show the Android status bar using the radio button in 
the Standalone Application Settings. I don’t seem able to to this on the fly 
using  mobileHideStatusBar  or  mobileShowStatusBar once the app is running.
  
 Dictionary:
"mobileHideStatusBar does not have any effect 
 on any Android devices with "hardware buttons” 
 embedded in the status bar.

I don’t think what I’m testing has these buttons in the status bar, though I’m 
new to android, so I could be confused.  Even so, the fact that I can hide or 
show the Android status bar from the Standalone Application Settings seems to 
indicate that it should be possible…

I didn’t see anything in bugzilla. Has anyone else run into this?
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Re: LiveCode server IDE

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Hi Keith,

My workflow is not much different from Ralph's.

Short answer:

 - edit in IDE, test in IDE

 - upload to server using Coda 2  (which I also use to edit non-lc files).

Long answer:

 - I don't use any of the LCserver specific features -  no entangled 
html, no includes, ... - everything is a regular script-only stack


 - I have a test stack that I use in the IDE which lets me specify 
which page (and parameters, cookies, etc.) I want, generates the web 
page and displays the output in a web browser instance within the 
testing stack.


 - when satisfied, I use Coda 2 to upload the LC files (I never edit 
them in Coda))


 - I edit other files (menu definitions, form definitions, web pages, 
views, etc.)  in Coda2


I use both on-rev and hostM for servers - both have everything already 
installed,  good support, etc.


(tbh, if on-rev hadn't had a bad patch a few years ago with email 
problems, I would probably never have strayed, but it's kind of good to 
know that hostM is there as an alternate source in case I need it :-)


Alex.

On 12/10/2020 15:49, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:


Thanks for the response, Ralph.

I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server on 
my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks 
route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services heavy-lifting 
work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use either LC desktop or 
simple html forms.

My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its replacement, 
Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.

I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom 
suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that 
includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.

Thanks & regards,
Keith


On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Keith,

As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.

IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: LiveCode server IDE

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Graham,

You can write to your own app’s preference’s folder.
Due to sandboxing Apple doesn’t want you writing
stuff elsewhere.  You can sometimes write to special
folders, I don’t know the list off of the top of my head
however.

Keep us informed of your progress.

Rick

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am getting a bit nearer answering my own question, or at least having it 
> answered by the mother ship. Elanor Buchanan has introduced me to 
> ‘MergPopActivity’ but so far I am just too ignorant to use it. Hopefully I’ll 
> have more information soon. Meanwhile it would be interesting to know if 
> anyone on this list has ever used it.
> 
> Graham

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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

I am getting a bit nearer answering my own question, or at least having it 
answered by the mother ship. Elanor Buchanan has introduced me to 
‘MergPopActivity’ but so far I am just too ignorant to use it. Hopefully I’ll 
have more information soon. Meanwhile it would be interesting to know if anyone 
on this list has ever used it.

Graham

> On 10 Oct 2020, at 17:42, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I 
> see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some 
> apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such 
> files with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a 
> chance to save a text file there for processing by other apps. The 
> alternative would involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules 
> etc. and my particular app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all.
> 
> Anyone tried it?
> 
> Graham
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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 240

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #240 here: https://bit.ly/30YXAIc

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to your e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


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Re: Livecode and Non-Responsiveness

[ELS Prothero via use-livecode]

Bob,
Since I upgraded to the latest Mac OS on my MacBook Pro, I have been getting 
delays using various apps, like Safari. I use a mouse and keyboard connected 
through a USB port. Sometimes when I get this delay, I quickly move to the 
laptop’s trackpad and there seems to be no delay. I suspect it has something to 
do with my hardware configuration.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> Just to confirm, my iMac was very unresponsive again, only this time I quit 
> Livecode, that took a couple minutes to completely quit, then my iMac became 
> responsive again. That doesn’t prove anything in itself. Something else may 
> have been leaking memory and quitting Livecode just freed up more memory. 
> However in the past quitting other apps dod no make it more responsive. 
> 
> I know that is thin, but there you go. 
> 
> Bob S
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RE: LiveCode server IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Keith,

I use LC Server on the on-rev server. It is already setup and the support
from Heather/Robin is the best! I personally use regular standard issue
binary stacks for everything out of habit. These same stacks are also used
in my apps. This is what I love about LC server, it allows me to use my
libraries on the server and in apps. What other programming language does
this?

If you are doing web pages then look into revIgniter.
For a web service vanilla LC scripts do the trick. 

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 10:49 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: Re: LiveCode server IDE

Thanks for the response, Ralph.

I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server
on my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks
route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services
heavy-lifting work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use
either LC desktop or simple html forms.

My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its
replacement, Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.

I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom
suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that
includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.

Thanks & regards,
Keith 

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
 wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running 
> on your local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you 
> test your server
> script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.
> 
> IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the 
> Atom for LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Keith Clarke
> Subject: LiveCode server IDE
> 
> Hi folks,
> What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE - 
> searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text 
> editor plus FTP?
> 
> I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
> Thanks and regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
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Re: LiveCode server IDE

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Thanks for the response, Ralph.

I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server on 
my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks 
route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services heavy-lifting 
work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use either LC desktop or 
simple html forms.

My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its replacement, 
Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.

I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom 
suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that 
includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.

Thanks & regards,
Keith 

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
> local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
> script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.
> 
> IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
> LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Keith Clarke
> Subject: LiveCode server IDE
> 
> Hi folks,
> What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
> searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
> FTP?
> 
> I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
> Thanks and regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: The iOS "Files" folder

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It is my understanding that each app has it’s own storage are and that this is 
sandboxed from other apps. That being said, there is obviously a way for an app 
to request permission from the iOS to access another app’s storage. I’m not 
sure if Livecode has that mechanism though. it’s probably some kind of Xcode 
library.

Bob S


On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Is it possible to access (write to) the iOS “Files” folder from an iOS app? I 
see that there is no specialFolderPath entry for it, but it appears that some 
apps do allow saving to the folder, and one is then allowed to open such files 
with an appropriate app. Basically I am thinking of giving the user a chance to 
save a text file there for processing by other apps. The alternative would 
involve the internet with all the tedious privacy rules etc. and my particular 
app doesn’t have any other use for the internet at all.

Anyone tried it?

Graham

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Livecode and Non-Responsiveness

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi all. 

Just to confirm, my iMac was very unresponsive again, only this time I quit 
Livecode, that took a couple minutes to completely quit, then my iMac became 
responsive again. That doesn’t prove anything in itself. Something else may 
have been leaking memory and quitting Livecode just freed up more memory. 
However in the past quitting other apps dod no make it more responsive. 

I know that is thin, but there you go. 

Bob S

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RE: LiveCode server IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Keith,

As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.

IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: LiveCode server IDE

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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RE: LiveCode server IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I use the standard issue LC IDE to edit the server script, do a "Ctrl S" and
use either a web disk or VPN to drag the saved file to the server. Then I
test my web service in the currently opened IDE. Fast debug cycle.
Easy-peezy...

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: LiveCode server IDE

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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LiveCode server IDE

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE - searching 
around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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