Re: Android Audio Playback & Recording

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Peter Reid wrote:

1. Find a way of getting the Fire/Android to play an arbitrary sound clip 
(typically less than 2-3 secs). I've gone for WAV format initially but I can 
easily make them something else (MP3, AAC, OGG, etc). ANY IDEAS for this?

BR: Did you try the mobile player and play .mp3? it's working well here on 
Nexus 5 (Android)

2. Find a way of getting the Fire/Android to record the sufferer's speech 
(probably less than 5-10 secs). ANY IDEAS for this?

BR : Alejandro reminded us of this (his replies to a different thread in my 
email for some reason)

https://livecode.com/android-audio-recording-library-using-java-ffi/

That's just a tad "scary"  !  = non-trivial pursuit. Hopefully someone till 
build a sample stack we can all grab and use to get going. 





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Re: [off]8/8+/X

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

"more of a shift coming" from where to where?  If you mean toward Android? 
Agreed.

there is an "explosion" going on in Asia right now, think "nuclear blast" of 
Android device deployments. India's demonetizing also adding to that. No longer 
a matter a rising middle class, every rickshaw driver, taximan, street chappati 
vendor and boatman and kid in a remote village has to have one You can  pay 
your boatman right on his phone. he will them buy his groceries in town from 
his phone. Nary a rupee note in sight

This, from just last month, is huge….

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/micromax-phones
 
And every young person, even in the most remote schools. I asked a teacher from 
Bengal who works in the remote areas of the incredibly beautiful mangroves… 
schools you can only reach by boat, "do the kids have phones?"  think it would 
only be a few… Answer "who does *not* have a phone!" and they arent' just using 
them for phone, the "smart" side is important. they may be off line 50%of the 
time, but download apps when they are in town. 40% of the younger generation 
can at least read English, you might not be able to talk to them, but they will 
engage with your app(s)  less so for those over 35, so even If you are not 
localized in Bengali, you could easily get  huge user base who we be delighted 
to see it all in English…  

MicroMax Evok Note: "starts from Rs 9,499" That's under US$16.00 per device! 

for this:

Display 5.50-inch Processor 1.3GHz octa-core
Front Camera 5-megapixel Resolution 1080x1920 pixels
RAM 3GB OS Android
Storage 32GB Rear Camera13-megapixel
Battery Capacity 4000mAh


The goal in India is every single citizen, ever youth everyone.. wired and on 
line, China no doubt the same… combined population: 2.6 billion  at just 77%, 
that's 2 billion android users, not that's not just me blowing smoke.. that's 
where this is headed. Well sure, some nouveau riche will get iPhones… 

So yes, this you can feel the user base shift "rumbling" under our feet.
It would be great if LC got the Android platform 100% wired…

I just pushed our latest app to the iOS store today, waiting for review…. 
fingers crossed… Android still not super stable… hope to finish testing this 
week. Works well in iOS, keeps crashing on android. There is Tamil music and 
Gujarati Audio books in there. I setting up monitoring on our servers. If the 
android version doesn’t' crash too much and we get app retention in India, we 
are going to be hit very hard.
 
BR

On 9/12/17, 3:13 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Kerner via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

I'd say LC should be putting some more effort into Android.  I feel even
more of a shift coming.

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Re: IconGrid widget v2.0.2

[hh via use-livecode]

> I wrote:

> Each element has properties (in order of the layering):
> 
> Colors (using high contrast colors),
> Image (load these from server or disk, 150 'icons' are built in),
> SVGpath (use the built in SVGs or any other valid path),
> Text (multiline supported),
> Number (readable only).


Correction, sorry.

The method I chose to load images *from server* is "blocking", so not usable.

I took this out (though it worked from local server), but I forgot to take
this out from the description.
I suppose this can currently only be solved via LCS, so it's better to download 
the images to a local folder (may be temporary) and then let the widget use 
that folder.

[When using files from local disk the widget loads the images into an array and 
uses them from there. So it#s fast enough].


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[off]8/8+/X

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'd say LC should be putting some more effort into Android.  I feel even
more of a shift coming.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
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IconGrid widget v2.0.2

[hh via use-livecode]

Some may say it has too much options but I couldn't stop when coding:
LC Builder is full of features. The more one codes, the more one sees
that. Some may say, I could have split it into several smaller widgets
so that we could have sooner 100 community widgets, if not 1000 ;-)

Anyway, I documented a lot, wrote > 1000 lines for the dictionary!

* What the widget does in short: *

Its a grid of equally sized (rounded rectangles), you give a number
of rows and number of columns.

Each element has properties (in order of the layering):

Colors (using high contrast colors),
Image (load these from server or disk, 150 'icons' are built in),
SVGpath (use the built in SVGs or any other valid path),
Text (multiline supported),
Number (readable only).

= Resize the elements and the widget adjusts its size.
= Resize the widget and the elements adjust their size.
= Rotate the elements by multiples of 90 degrees.
= Rotate the grid as a whole by multiples of 90 degrees.
= Reorder the grid elements by drag and drop (or script it).

Read more details here:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=158112#p158112

or install directly with my installer (incl. a demo-stack) from
"Sample Stacks or http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/842/
[Download the installer and read the short scripts to trust it.]

Enjoy!

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Brainstorm Project Browser Display

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Our new app (goes to the iOS store today… then I have to go break coconuts and 
pray to the Gods of Apple for approval)

as I do final tweaks I find myself wishing that all the binary stacks where at 
the top of the PB list

You see, as "views" with almost no code, it means that they act as "portals" to 
the scripts that drive the show.

So  instead of scanning for

behavior_Settings

# which is assigned to a stack "settings.livecode"
# along with many other scripts

I would like to see all my binary "views" at the top. I can just look into the 
various stack/card/control(s)
find things like:

group: homeScreenBottomNav517 | 0

# where the first number is the line of the behavior is clickable and then 
opens:

behavior_viewNavBottom  in the script editor..

The binary stack/views become a TOC of sorts for all the underlying text only 
scripts.

As development proceeds toward a RC, we will be typically working and testing 
from the "top down" and so you want to tweak this or that
working through the PB by going to the binary you are viewing and click on the 
associated "parent" scripts  is very efficient.

So, why not have those all at the top?

Just like we have "stacks in use" at the bottom

BR

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Setting the User-Agent

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

is

libURLSetCustomHTTPHeaders

broken? or am I doing it wrong?

on fetchPage
libURLSetCustomHTTPHeaders "User-Agent: SivaSivaApp"
put url ("https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ping.txt";) into fld "webPage"
end fetchPage

if we tail  -n1500 /home/myDomain/logs/access_log

we see this:

24.43.231.222 - - [12/Sep/2017:13:07:56 -0700] "GET /ping.txt HTTP/1.1" 200 430 
"-" "LiveCode (MacOS)"

Have yet to test on mobile…but without setting anything I'm seeing this in the 
logs when the app accesses files

 "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 10_3_3 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/603.3.8 
(KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/14G60"

which is interesting but we would like to see some reference to the app in the 
access_logs

both from desktop and from mobile

any clues for the right way to do this? I can of course set it in the app, but 
if it's not working (8.1.7 RC1) on desktop, I doubt it will do better on mobile?

BR

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Re: script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

Hi Curt,

If you email me off list and don't mind sharing your ssh details temporarily 
with us, we will take a look to see what the problem is.

CentOS 7 is one of our supported Linux distros for LiveCode server so we'd like 
to find out what configuration JaguarPC has to cause the problem and sort it 
out.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Sep 2017, at 15:32, Curtis Ford via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I've received this from JaguarPC:
> 
> 
> [Sun Sep 10 01:51:36.334093 2017] [cgid:error] [pid 22868:tid 
> 139689650484992] [client 69.73.180.11:50074] End of script output before 
> headers: keygentest.cgi
> 
> That occurs when a script has insufficient permissions but I couldn't find 
> any script having incorrect permissions in the account. Also we have checked 
> there has been no dependency issue either.
> 
> You have SSH access enabled on your account so your developer should be able 
> to login and investigate the cause of this issue through debugging on shell. 
> If he finds anything wrong with the setup, he can update us regarding that.
> 
> We have now following Perl version installed on the new server, you might 
> want to regenerate the executable lccgi to ensure it is compatible with 
> following version:
> 
> ==
> [root@sagitarius cgi-bin]# perl -v
> 
> This is perl 5, version 16, subversion 3 (v5.16.3) built for 
> x86_64-linux-thread-multi
> 
> (with 34 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)
> 
> Besides that Bobsled server has similar setup so I am afraid, moving to that 
> server will help actually.
> 
> We have now live chat support working which you can access through our 
> official website. If you want to chat with us, you are most welcome.
> 
> Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.
> 
> Regards,
> Bilal | L3 Support Representative
> --
> 
> I don't have the skills to debug through shell (that's why I like to use a 
> tool like Livecode!) and I can't regenerate the Livecode engine..!
> 
> Our script (which I haven't touched) and the engine both have permissions set 
> to 755. Sagitarius (which they currently have us on) and bobsled (where 
> Jacque has a setup that's working) are both 64bit servers running CentOS 7.
> 
> Curt
> 
> -- 
> Sent from Postbox 
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Re: Android Audio Playback & Recording

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

About Android Audio Recording using LiveCode,
check this and read the comments for very
useful additional information:

https://livecode.com/android-audio-recording-library-using-java-ffi/

Al
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Android Audio Playback & Recording

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Hi Peter,

This part of your message caught my attention.

Peter Reid wrote:
> 3. Figure out how to compare the two sound clips
> (sample against user), or convert the user speech input
> into text for comparison with the original Word. Again,
> any good ideas would be welcome, but I'm prepared to
> do a bit of general research about this.

Comparing two audio clips is considered a difficult task
but in 1994, "Claire Interactive Musical Coach" a voice
training software for 68k Macs could do this with
great accuracy.
https://www.wired.com/1994/03/sing-directly-into-the-mac/

Of course, that software was created by Opcode
engineers. The same people who at that time was
creating the best audio software for Mac.
(Later, many of them started working for Apple)

Today, hardware is much more powerful than 68k
macs so you could be sure that this task is much
easier now than it was 23 years ago.

https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Fingerprinting

Maybe, just maybe, you could convert user recorded
audio into an image (or line graph) and compare this
against the image or line graph of original audio sample.

Al
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Re: put after

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

>   put tWord after word 2 of me
...
> The point was that if there was no line 2 it would create one so that
> it had something to put after. Works with lines and items. Does not
> work with words, but as it was explained, though we use the term
> "delimited" when talking about words, it's a different animal.

Thanks.  I was thrown off by "after" - why use "after" if there is 
nothing before?


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: put after

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

The point was that if there was no line 2 it would create one so that it had 
something to put after. Works with lines and items. Does not work with words, 
but as it was explained, though we use the term "delimited" when talking about 
words, it's a different animal. 

Bob S


> On Sep 11, 2017, at 16:37 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> With that you wouldn't expect it to create a new line, but to add "Something" 
> to the end of the specified line.


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script/engine broken when moved to 64bit server at JaguarPC

[Curtis Ford via use-livecode]

I've received this from JaguarPC:


[Sun Sep 10 01:51:36.334093 2017] [cgid:error] [pid 22868:tid 
139689650484992] [client 69.73.180.11:50074] End of script output before 
headers: keygentest.cgi


That occurs when a script has insufficient permissions but I couldn't 
find any script having incorrect permissions in the account. Also we 
have checked there has been no dependency issue either.


You have SSH access enabled on your account so your developer should be 
able to login and investigate the cause of this issue through debugging 
on shell. If he finds anything wrong with the setup, he can update us 
regarding that.


We have now following Perl version installed on the new server, you 
might want to regenerate the executable lccgi to ensure it is compatible 
with following version:


==
[root@sagitarius cgi-bin]# perl -v

This is perl 5, version 16, subversion 3 (v5.16.3) built for 
x86_64-linux-thread-multi


(with 34 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)

Besides that Bobsled server has similar setup so I am afraid, moving to 
that server will help actually.


We have now live chat support working which you can access through our 
official website. If you want to chat with us, you are most welcome.


Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Regards,
Bilal | L3 Support Representative
--

I don't have the skills to debug through shell (that's why I like to use 
a tool like Livecode!) and I can't regenerate the Livecode engine..!


Our script (which I haven't touched) and the engine both have 
permissions set to 755. Sagitarius (which they currently have us on) and 
bobsled (where Jacque has a setup that's working) are both 64bit servers 
running CentOS 7.


Curt

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Re: Android Audio Playback & Recording

[Peter Reid via use-livecode]

Hi BR

More specifically, I'm developing an app to help aphasia sufferers to practice 
their pronunciation of simple everyday words.  The idea is that they will see 
the word in a large text size together with a picture to reinforce the meaning 
of the word.  They will hear the word pronounced by the tablet and then attempt 
to say the word themselves.  They will be able to repeatedly try to say the 
word until they get it right.

I have the basic UI flow working and I've written the app such that it consists 
of a companion app for the Mac/PC that loads the media (list of words, list of 
pictures and list of related sound clips) into background cards and custom 
properties.  The idea is that I can have a small collection of files & folders 
that become absorbed into the app by running it in the development environment 
prior to generating an APK for uploading into the tablet.  This way the app is 
self-contained, with flexible media already prepared for use.  This is working 
as well as the UI.

I have the following left to do in order to complete this app and get a copy 
delivered (pre-installed on a Fire 7 tablet) to an elderly relative of a friend:

1. Find a way of getting the Fire/Android to play an arbitrary sound clip 
(typically less than 2-3 secs). I've gone for WAV format initially but I can 
easily make them something else (MP3, AAC, OGG, etc). ANY IDEAS for this?

2. Find a way of getting the Fire/Android to record the sufferer's speech 
(probably less than 5-10 secs). ANY IDEAS for this?

3. Figure out how to compare the two sound clips (sample against user), or 
convert the user speech input into text for comparison with the original Word. 
Again, any good ideas would be welcome, but I'm prepared to do a bit of general 
research about this.

Points 1. and 2. above are potential showstoppers as the lack of either one 
stops this project in its tracks! Point 3. above still needs doing, but there 
are various ways of tackling this.

Thanks for any help with this.

Peter
--
Peter Reid
Loughborough, UK

> On 12 Sep 2017, at 11:00am, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 03:27:35 +
> From: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: Android Audio Playback & Recording
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Aloha Peter
> 
> 
> I think we also want ot have the voice recognition option here so that we 
> could record short notes, or issue commands 
> 
> Maybe that is OT for your use case, but  I have some users interest in this.  
> 
> BR
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/10/17, 11:06 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Peter Reid via use-livecode" 
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Hi,
> 
>I'm making an app for Android in the form of an Amazon Fire 7 tablet (2017 
> version).  I'm doing the development with LC 9-dp8 and a Mac running macOS 
> 10.12.6.
> 
>A key part of this app requires the user to say a word or two, which will 
> be recorded by the tablet and saved for subsequent comparison with a speech 
> fragment played earlier.  What I'm looking for is the way to include the 
> output of a word or short phrase, as spoken text; followed by speech input 
> from the user, and then compared with the original speech recorded previously.
> 
>Andy suggestions please?
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>Peter
>--
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>Loughborough, UK
> 
> 


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Re: Livecode docset for Dash

[James At The Hale via use-livecode]

Hi Kay,

Now that is strange. It certainly didn't happen to me.
Perhaps my having Dash open at the time did it for me.
I can understand Xcode opening though given it presents itself as a package.

As for the snippet. Yes, normally I use a similar strategy to you. The snippet 
I had stored was entered quite some time ago just to test things and I had 
forgotten about it completely, until I "rediscovered" it. 😊

> Just a note, when I double clicked on the docset to activate it, it
> started Xcode. I'd hope anyone who is using LC would be able to figure
> out how to fix that but it may be worth mentioning in your
> instructions.



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Re: Livecode docset for Dash

[James At The Hale via use-livecode]

My goodness. Thank you Thierry, I am at a loss for words.

James

> Hi James,
> 
> To express my appreciation of your astonishing tool and work,
> I'm offering you a free license of sunnYrex
>  !
> 
> I'll send it to you on your private email.
> 
> Hope you'll like it.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Thierry

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Re: Livecode docset for Dash

[Thierry Douez via use-livecode]

Hi James,

To express my appreciation of your astonishing tool and work,
 I'm offering you a free license of sunnYrex
 !

 I'll send it to you on your private email.

Hope you'll like it.

Kind regards,

Thierry




2017-09-12 10:37 GMT+02:00 James Hale via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> New version of "Make DocSet" uploaded.
>
> Changes in version 1.1
>
> • LC icon added.
> • Table of contents added for Guides.
>   They will appear in the left pane when viewing a guide.
>
> James
>
>
>
>
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Re: Livecode docset for Dash

[Kay C Lan via use-livecode]

James,

Just wanted to say thanks so much for creating this. I'm a Dash user,
always have it open with LC and this will help the LC workflow
tremendously.

Just a note, when I double clicked on the docset to activate it, it
started Xcode. I'd hope anyone who is using LC would be able to figure
out how to fix that but it may be worth mentioning in your
instructions.

As far as your 'sw' title for your switch snippet goes, that's easy to fix:

sw3b --switch statement with 3 case and no default (b = break or blank
however it helps to remember)
sw3d --switch statement with 3 case and default (d = default)
..
sw6b --you get the picture
sw6d

No chance of false activation this way, massive typing time saver :-)

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Re: Livecode docset for Dash

[James Hale via use-livecode]

New version of "Make DocSet" uploaded.

Changes in version 1.1

• LC icon added.
• Table of contents added for Guides. 
  They will appear in the left pane when viewing a guide.

James




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Re: Using the property inspector

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Sorry Hermann, we have been even more busy than usual the last couple of
weeks, I will endeavour to answer today - in theory everything you are
doing should work!

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 6:10 AM hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It was not heard there, so I ask here:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=157993#p157993
>
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