LC 8.1.7 with Mac OS/X 10.12.6

[Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode]

Does anyone have similar problems:

1.  starting LC 8.1.7 in Mac, using a second display creates a gray screen 
on the Mac
-   some of the windows, for example Tools Palette remain behind it, you 
have to toggle it off and then on to get it on the screen
-   IDE windows appear nearly in random locations, there is no way to set 
up a screen, save everything and quit LC, start and you would have the same 
display setup available; this was the norm with LC 8.1.3

2.  Screen handling in running the app is just unmanageable, compared to 
8.1.3.  For example, going to another card seems to mess up how the fills work 
(btw is there a comprehensive explanation in the user manual what the heck the 
different fill things work on the stack and objects level? - Is there a way to 
reset the defaults for the stack and objects?).

3.  Screen handling between 8.1.6 in IDE and Android are radically 
different - using card move and lock screen and delays is guess work.  Any 
problems in the iOS world?

4.  Android is definitely up to 10x slower than in 8.1.3.  Could be as bad 
as 100x.  This is reflected in recognising clicks, running scripts (doing some 
simple math), indirect referencing, do sentences.

5.  I have read from LC documentation that there are difficulties with the 
latest Android SDK, not being compatible.  Is this still true?  What should I 
do to fix it, if this is the problem then?

I am not ordering for LC support service currently, the questions above should 
be solved otherwise.

Final question, is there a list of wanted features / developments the users are 
wanting available somewhere?


Christer Pyyhtiä
chris...@mindcrea.com


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Re: [OT] Google TensorFlow Lite

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

I must say . . . I've never heard "tensor" and "light' used together.

By the time you're serious about things being tensors, rather than
simple values or vectors, you're into *serious* mathematics . . .

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[OT] Google TensorFlow Lite

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Today, Google announced the release of TensorFlow Lite

https://research.googleblog.com/2017/11/on-device-conversational-modeling-with.html

"TensorFlow Lite is TensorFlow's lightweight solution for mobile and
embedded devices. As part of the library, we have also released an
on-device conversational model and a demo app, so you can easily
download and try out one-touch smart replies on your mobile device."

In a previous mail list (or forum) thread, I had wrote that Microsoft,
using their Cortana Research Labs and their dedicated Xbox userbase
would become the first company to dominate the market of AI driven
personal assistants. Looks like I was wrong... deeply wrong.
Is corporate culture still holding back Microsoft?

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/features/how-satya-nadella-rebooted-microsofts-corporate-culture-837363

Google is pushing their TensorFlow framework with all their might.
They really want that this framework is deployed as widely as humanly
possible.

I just keep wondering what does this means in the long term.

Does every TensorFlow deployment "share" their data ("experience")
with other TensorFlow driven devices?

If a person trains a device for a very specific and unique task, Does
this framework automatically uploads and share this data
("experience") for everyone to share and use?

These are questions that I see nobody is doing. or... maybe Did
someone already answered these (and others questions) and I miss these
answers?

Looks like we would have to wait until AI becomes a service within the
Operating System before being able to use it from Livecode.

Al

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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Tiemo,

my lesson just describes how to integrate the Zygodact key generator stack into 
the Fastpring order process and nothing else. ;)

But it should be possible to use Zygodact and some additonal code to prevent 
that the software is used on more then one computer.

First of all, Zygodact registration system works like this:
Zygodact let you create a set of stacks (a registration stack, a key generator 
stack and a special key generator stack for cgi, which can also be used with 
livecode server. 
Theses stacks belong to each other. You cannot mix them between 2 sets.
The app contains the registration stack as a substack.
The key generation stack (in my case the cgi stack) is used for the Fastspring 
order process. 
After the customer unlocks/registers the app using the purchase license key and 
his email, the registration substack saves a regfile stack to the hard disk . 
(Every time the app starts, the app uses a Zygodact function which checks if 
the license data in the regfile stack belongs to the registration substack in 
the app.)

After a successful registration the Zygodact registration substack allows to 
run additional code.
So it would be very easy after successful registration to let the app post the 
unlock data and additional data like MAC address to a webserver which stores 
that data in a database.
If the software is registered the 1st time, the server responds with a 
“successful” message and the app could write the Mac address also to the 
regfile stack on the customers hard disk.
If the software is registered a 2nd time from an other MAC address, the server 
could respond with an error. In this case  the MAC address is not written to 
the regfile stack on customers hard disk and the app quits with an error 
message. You could even delete the regfile stack. 

To get this working the app needs to check at startup, if the regfile stack 
already exists. If not, then it opens the registration dialog.
If the regfile stack already exists, the app first checks, if the MAC address 
of the computer corresponds with the one  in the regfile stack. If so, the app 
uses a Zygodact function to check also if the registration data in the regfile 
stack belongs to the registration substack in the app. If not, the app could 
show an error message and quit. If registration data is okay, the app would 
start.

If the MAC address does not correspond with the one in the regfile stack or if 
the regfile does not contain a MAC address, the app could show an error message 
and quit.

So this would prevent that the software can be installed and used on more than 
one computer.
But this would also mean, that  one might have to do more support, if customers 
change the computer or change some hardware settings or if there are internet 
connection problems on the customers side.

Therefore i decided to not go this way. I trust my customers, although i know 
of several cases where the license data was passed to others or where a refund 
was requested and the software is still used.
At the moment i have very little support requests. That means i can concentrate 
on other tasks like waiting for the Fastpring payments. ;)


Regards,

Matthias



> Am 14.11.2017 um 17:59 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Matthias approach seems obviously a nice and trouble-free approach. It only 
> has the disadvantage, that the email + key can be passed on to other users.
> 
> In my business teachers are a relevant part of my customers. From my 
> experience over the last 20 years teachers are the most down-and-dirty 
> software pirates (sorry Richmond), so I couldn't go this approach. I 
> experienced it x-times, that after having sold one license to a teacher, I 
> never got a second order from the same school. So I (or better an external) 
> created an individual licensing system for my product, bound to the MAC 
> address of the machine and an online license-database. It indeed also has 
> some disadvantages, because of the hard bound to the MAC address, but all of 
> my support is worth the plus of sold licenses.
> 
> Tiemo

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Colin,

It’s nice to know they have set up a nice way of handling things.

Two questions come to mind though:

1. Can hackers get around the method they are using?

2. Should we really believe that they are doing what they 
   say they are doing, or are they really listening all the 
   time, and feeding us a line to calm our fears?

Just my 2 cents here.  ;-)

Rick

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was at Google for meetings last week, some of which was with the Google 
> Home and also Assistant teams. They have the same need as Siri, and I imagine 
> that they solve the problem in the same way. For Google, they are always 
> listening for “ok google”, and Apple are listening for “hey Siri”. It’s only 
> a two second buffer though, that is constantly overwriting itself. If you 
> could steal someone’s device and freeze all electrons in it so you could 
> scrape for sound data, you probably would only get the sound of you picking 
> the person’s pocket.
> 
> If the trigger words are detected, the next bit of sound is uploaded to be 
> analyzed. That happens for all devices within hearing, and online all of the 
> recordings are considered at the same time. The reply is usually sent to the 
> device that was closest to the user at the time. The recording is kept in 
> your history, so you can go back and listen to it to figure out why it might 
> have been misinterpreted. This is the page you can go to listen to yourself:
> 
> https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity?product=29 
> 
> 

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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[JB via use-livecode]

Excellent information!

thanks,
JB


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Normally i do sign all of my apps (even custom and inhouse apps) for Windows 
> and Mac.  
> Makes life easier. But to be honest, sometimes i forgot to sign, if i am in a 
> hurry or i do not sign if i have not the time.
> It´s not very time consuming, but sometimes even the time for signing is not 
> there.  But i am trying to sign them later then.
> 
> But as i wrote, normally i do code sign them. 
> 
> For code signing Windows apps I´ve purchased a Comodo Code Signing 
> Certificate from K Software (https://ksoftware.net )
> because it´s much cheaper then buying from Comodo itself. 
> Although KSoftware is the vendor, the needed verification process and the 
> delivery of the certificate is done by Commodo.
> 
> For code signing Mac apps i am using the app AppWrapper with my Apple 
> Developer certificate.
> 
> Matthias
>> Am 14.11.2017 um 19:39 schrieb JB via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> If you are selling it yourself instead of the app
>> stores do you bother with code signing?
>> 
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
>>> finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
>>> my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
>>> webserver.
>>> 
>>> Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i 
>>> get my monthly payout. 
>>> My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 
>>> 
>>> Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
>>> livecode script. 
>>> The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends 
>>> the posted email adress to the key generator stack.
>>> The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key 
>>> and returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which 
>>> then returns both
>>> to the Fastpring post request. 
>>> 
>>> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from 
>>> Jacqueline Landman-Gay. 
>>> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>>> >>  >
>>> It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
>>> stack in minutes. 
>>> 
>>> I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
>>> Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
>>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
>>>  
>>> >> >
>>> The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
>>> livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)
>>> 
>>> Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
>>> generator stack.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> +49 5741 31
>>> ‌wirmachen.software >> >‌
>>> 
 Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
 >>:
 
 I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
 
 
 Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
 Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never 
 got around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or 
 point them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate 
 a key and invoice via email
 
 I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
 and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
 could trust, understand and afford!
 
 Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
 window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
 else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing 
 web sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
 
 Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
 
 Best wishes,
 
 david Glasgow
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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Normally i do sign all of my apps (even custom and inhouse apps) for Windows 
and Mac.  
Makes life easier. But to be honest, sometimes i forgot to sign, if i am in a 
hurry or i do not sign if i have not the time.
It´s not very time consuming, but sometimes even the time for signing is not 
there.  But i am trying to sign them later then.

But as i wrote, normally i do code sign them. 

For code signing Windows apps I´ve purchased a Comodo Code Signing Certificate 
from K Software (https://ksoftware.net )
because it´s much cheaper then buying from Comodo itself. 
Although KSoftware is the vendor, the needed verification process and the 
delivery of the certificate is done by Commodo.

For code signing Mac apps i am using the app AppWrapper with my Apple Developer 
certificate.

Matthias
> Am 14.11.2017 um 19:39 schrieb JB via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> If you are selling it yourself instead of the app
> stores do you bother with code signing?
> 
> JB
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
>> finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
>> my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
>> webserver.
>> 
>> Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i 
>> get my monthly payout. 
>> My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 
>> 
>> Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
>> livecode script. 
>> The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends 
>> the posted email adress to the key generator stack.
>> The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key 
>> and returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which 
>> then returns both
>> to the Fastpring post request. 
>> 
>> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
>> Landman-Gay. 
>> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
>> >  >
>> It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
>> stack in minutes. 
>> 
>> I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
>> Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
>>  
>> > >
>> The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
>> livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)
>> 
>> Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
>> generator stack.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> +49 5741 31
>> ‌wirmachen.software > >‌
>> 
>>> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
>>> >> >> >>:
>>> 
>>> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
>>> Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never 
>>> got around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or 
>>> point them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate 
>>> a key and invoice via email
>>> 
>>> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
>>> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
>>> could trust, understand and afford!
>>> 
>>> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
>>> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
>>> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing 
>>> web sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
>>> 
>>> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> david Glasgow
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, I for one, make a point of having a 30 minute walk every day, 
reading at least 50 pages, and doing about 50% of our cooking come what may.


Richmond.

On 14/11/17 8:12 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
The silence was deafening. I was forced to relax in my recliner and 
read a book, walk outside, and bake bread. It was torture. I'm so glad 
to be out of that hell..


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On November 14, 2017 11:42:54 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Unfortunately, or not; many, many things have cropped up re my work and
so forth,
so I am largely too preoccupied to have the time or the inclination to
ruffle the feathers of
other people on this Use-List, or, for that matter the Forums at the 
moment.


But, rest assured, like Arnie . . . .

Richmond.

On 14/11/17 1:49 pm, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible 
you all stopped talking at once...


If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

Best

Heather

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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[JB via use-livecode]

If you are selling it yourself instead of the app
stores do you bother with code signing?

JB


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 8:10 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
> finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
> my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
> webserver.
> 
> Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i 
> get my monthly payout. 
> My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 
> 
> Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
> livecode script. 
> The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends the 
> posted email adress to the key generator stack.
> The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key 
> and returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which 
> then returns both
> to the Fastpring post request. 
> 
> The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
> Landman-Gay. 
> https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 
> 
> It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
> stack in minutes. 
> 
> I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
> Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 
> 
> The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
> livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)
> 
> Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
> generator stack.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> +49 5741 31
> ‌wirmachen.software ‌
> 
>> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
>> 
>> 
>> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
>> Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never got 
>> around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or point 
>> them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate a key 
>> and invoice via email
>> 
>> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
>> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
>> could trust, understand and afford!
>> 
>> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
>> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
>> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing 
>> web sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
>> 
>> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> david Glasgow
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

The silence was deafening. I was forced to relax in my recliner and read a 
book, walk outside, and bake bread. It was torture. I'm so glad to be out 
of that hell..


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On November 14, 2017 11:42:54 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
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Unfortunately, or not; many, many things have cropped up re my work and
so forth,
so I am largely too preoccupied to have the time or the inclination to
ruffle the feathers of
other people on this Use-List, or, for that matter the Forums at the moment.

But, rest assured, like Arnie . . . .

Richmond.

On 14/11/17 1:49 pm, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you 
all stopped talking at once...


If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Unfortunately, or not; many, many things have cropped up re my work and 
so forth,
so I am largely too preoccupied to have the time or the inclination to 
ruffle the feathers of

other people on this Use-List, or, for that matter the Forums at the moment.

But, rest assured, like Arnie . . . .

Richmond.

On 14/11/17 1:49 pm, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I frequently get targeted ads after just having off-line conversations.
They ARE listening!


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I was at Google for meetings last week, some of which was with the Google
> Home and also Assistant teams. They have the same need as Siri, and I
> imagine that they solve the problem in the same way. For Google, they are
> always listening for “ok google”, and Apple are listening for “hey Siri”.
> It’s only a two second buffer though, that is constantly overwriting
> itself. If you could steal someone’s device and freeze all electrons in it
> so you could scrape for sound data, you probably would only get the sound
> of you picking the person’s pocket.
>
> If the trigger words are detected, the next bit of sound is uploaded to be
> analyzed. That happens for all devices within hearing, and online all of
> the recordings are considered at the same time. The reply is usually sent
> to the device that was closest to the user at the time. The recording is
> kept in your history, so you can go back and listen to it to figure out why
> it might have been misinterpreted. This is the page you can go to listen to
> yourself:
>
> https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity?product=29
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If Apple was doing data collection via Siri always on and feeding the
> data to Amazon, that would be a huge news story. Americans would FREAK OUT!
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 10, 2017, at 19:18 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have an iPhone with Siri usually turned Off, but
> >> after I recently upgraded to iOS11 I hadn't picked up that Siri had
> >> been turned On - it's now back Off.
> >>
> >> I'd like to think it was coincidence... but how many of you have EVER
> >> seen an online advert for a mattress specifically for station wagons?
> >
>
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AW: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Matthias approach seems obviously a nice and trouble-free approach. It only has 
the disadvantage, that the email + key can be passed on to other users.

In my business teachers are a relevant part of my customers. From my experience 
over the last 20 years teachers are the most down-and-dirty software pirates 
(sorry Richmond), so I couldn't go this approach. I experienced it x-times, 
that after having sold one license to a teacher, I never got a second order 
from the same school. So I (or better an external) created an individual 
licensing system for my product, bound to the MAC address of the machine and an 
online license-database. It indeed also has some disadvantages, because of the 
hard bound to the MAC address, but all of my support is worth the plus of sold 
licenses.

Tiemo

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Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. November 2017 17:11
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Matthias Rebbe 
Betreff: Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around 
here )

David,

i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate my key generator stack into 
their order system. I did not had to run my own webserver.

Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i get 
my monthly payout. 
My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 

Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
livecode script. 
The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends the 
posted email adress to the key generator stack.
The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key and 
returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which then 
returns both to the Fastpring post request. 

The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
Landman-Gay. 
https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 

It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
stack in minutes. 

I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 

The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)

Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
generator stack.

Regards,

Matthias


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> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
> 
> 
> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few 
> sales.  Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I 
> have never got around to  selling online.  I just send folks 
> evaluation copies or point them to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for 
> a full version, generate a key and invoice via email
> 
> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
> could trust, understand and afford!
> 
> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing web 
> sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
> 
> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> david Glasgow
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Well, I just got my LiveCode Global-branded iPhone X, so I've been busy.
Thanks Kevin and Mark!  That was so much better than those T-shirts!

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2017, at 08:46 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I did become concerned when a new release was announced and no one
> complained. :)
>
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

:-)

Bob S


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 08:46 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did become concerned when a new release was announced and no one 
> complained. :)


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Re: Awful quiet around here

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I did become concerned when a new release was announced and no one 
complained. :)



On November 14, 2017 8:29:29 AM Heather Laine via use-livecode 
 wrote:


P.S. I think Richmond must be ill. Or his internet has expired. Mother hen 
makes anxious clucking noises.


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Re: Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

David,

i am selling only one app (Mac,Win,Linux) online. I´ve used Kagi until they 
finished their business. Kagi was able to integrate 
my key generator stack into their order system. I did not had to run my own 
webserver.

Now i am using Fastspring. Fastspring is doing the complete invoicing and i get 
my monthly payout. 
My key generator stack is now running on my on-rev account. 

Fastspring posts the order information and some “verfication” data to a 
livecode script. 
The livecode scripts checks if the verification data is correct and sends the 
posted email adress to the key generator stack.
The key generator stack then uses the email address to create an unlock key and 
returns both, email and unlock key, back to the livecode script which then 
returns both
to the Fastpring post request. 

The key generator stack i am using was created with Zygodact from Jacqueline 
Landman-Gay. 
https://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html 

It´s 99USD but it is worth every dollar. You have set up your own generator 
stack in minutes. 

I´ve created a Livecode lesson some time ago which describes how to use a 
Zygodact key generator stack with Fastspring.
http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4068/l/620020 

The lesson includes all you need to get it working (including the needed 
livecode server script). Of course you need your own key generator stack. ;)

Using the steps in that lesson should you also allow to use any other key 
generator stack.

Regards,

Matthias


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> Am 14.11.2017 um 15:57 schrieb David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!
> 
> 
> Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
> Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never got 
> around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or point them 
> to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate a key and 
> invoice via email
> 
> I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, 
> and at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I 
> could trust, understand and afford!
> 
> Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
> window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone 
> else do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing web 
> sales, but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.
> 
> Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> david Glasgow
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Reminds me of that quote from Pirates of the Caribbean, where Captain Barbossa 
tells Elizabeth, "...the code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual 
rules."

Bob S


> On Nov 14, 2017, at 06:11 , dunbarx via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
> just, er, went quiet.
> 
> The law of averages is a law in name only.
> 
> Craig Newman


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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I was at Google for meetings last week, some of which was with the Google Home 
and also Assistant teams. They have the same need as Siri, and I imagine that 
they solve the problem in the same way. For Google, they are always listening 
for “ok google”, and Apple are listening for “hey Siri”. It’s only a two second 
buffer though, that is constantly overwriting itself. If you could steal 
someone’s device and freeze all electrons in it so you could scrape for sound 
data, you probably would only get the sound of you picking the person’s pocket.

If the trigger words are detected, the next bit of sound is uploaded to be 
analyzed. That happens for all devices within hearing, and online all of the 
recordings are considered at the same time. The reply is usually sent to the 
device that was closest to the user at the time. The recording is kept in your 
history, so you can go back and listen to it to figure out why it might have 
been misinterpreted. This is the page you can go to listen to yourself:

https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity?product=29



> On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If Apple was doing data collection via Siri always on and feeding the data to 
> Amazon, that would be a huge news story. Americans would FREAK OUT! 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 19:18 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have an iPhone with Siri usually turned Off, but
>> after I recently upgraded to iOS11 I hadn't picked up that Siri had
>> been turned On - it's now back Off.
>> 
>> I'd like to think it was coincidence... but how many of you have EVER
>> seen an online advert for a mattress specifically for station wagons?
> 


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Re: Was I hallucinating? Totally OT, perhaps relevant

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

If Apple was doing data collection via Siri always on and feeding the data to 
Amazon, that would be a huge news story. Americans would FREAK OUT! 

Bob S


> On Nov 10, 2017, at 19:18 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an iPhone with Siri usually turned Off, but
> after I recently upgraded to iOS11 I hadn't picked up that Siri had
> been turned On - it's now back Off.
> 
> I'd like to think it was coincidence... but how many of you have EVER
> seen an online advert for a mattress specifically for station wagons?


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Finding on online shop window for apps (was Re: Awful quiet around here )

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

I’ll step in to fill the eerie silence!


Over the years I have made a few niche apps which might make a few sales.  
Although I have created apps with user name generated keys, I have never got 
around to  selling online.  I just send folks evaluation copies or point them 
to a Dropbox link, and if they ask for a full version, generate a key and 
invoice via email

I finally started looking at how online sales for desktop apps might work, and 
at different services.   If I could only find an e-commerce service I could 
trust, understand and afford!

Why on earth is it so difficult to find a simple and relatively cheap shop 
window, that doesn’t require you to master webby stuff?  How does everyone else 
do it?  Is there a go-to provider?  I see that Runrev has dev facing web sales, 
but  nothing more suitable to sell standalones more widely.

Also,is there a reason the bigger online retailers shun small developers?

Best wishes,

david Glasgow
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AW: Awful quiet around here

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

:)

P.S. I think Richmond must be ill. Or his internet has expired. Mother hen
makes anxious clucking noises.

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager and overprotective listmom LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com


... or LiveCode has got an AI self solving issue plugin with the last silent
update.


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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Tom - I'm sorry. You will hear from me today!

Best

Heather

P.S. I think Richmond must be ill. Or his internet has expired. Mother hen 
makes anxious clucking noises.

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager and overprotective listmom
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 14 Nov 2017, at 14:22, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Heather i thought the same thing.. just fyi...I haven't heard
> details back from you about the talk during the jam.  as far as I know my
> email problems are fixed, but let me know if they aren;t and I failed to
> respond to something.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:11 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
>> just, er, went quiet.
>> 
>> The law of averages is a law in name only.
>> 
>> Craig Newman
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi Heather i thought the same thing.. just fyi...I haven't heard
details back from you about the talk during the jam.  as far as I know my
email problems are fixed, but let me know if they aren;t and I failed to
respond to something.


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> The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
> just, er, went quiet.
>
> The law of averages is a law in name only.
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
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Re: Awful quiet around here

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The forum went quiet for a couple of days last week, but it seems that it
just, er, went quiet.

The law of averages is a law in name only.

Craig Newman



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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

That's sort of like saying "Anyone who can't hear me raise your hand."
Oh well. All in a day's fun. Or work.

Phil


On 11/14/17 3:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:

Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

Best

Heather

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Re: Awful quiet around here

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Note to self: must message more to let mother know we’re still alive and well. 
And, Never ignore her!

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 12:27, Marian Petrides, MD via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got this message. Just lurking, hence no posts.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
>> stopped talking at once...
>> 
>> If you receive this message, ignore it.
>> 
>> Otherwise, do let me know :)
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> Heather Laine
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>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Got this message. Just lurking, hence no posts.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
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> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
> stopped talking at once...
> 
> If you receive this message, ignore it.
> 
> Otherwise, do let me know :)
> 
> Best
> 
> Heather
> 
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Re: Awful quiet around here

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I will certainly let you know if I ** DID NOT ** receive your message.
Ignoring...  :)

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> Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you
> all stopped talking at once...
>
> If you receive this message, ignore it.
>
> Otherwise, do let me know :)
>
> Best
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
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>
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[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

ignore

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Heather Laine via use-livecode
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. November 2017 12:49
An: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Heather Laine 
Betreff: Awful quiet around here

Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

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Heather

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Awful quiet around here

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Just checking if the list is functioning correctly. Seems impossible you all 
stopped talking at once...

If you receive this message, ignore it.

Otherwise, do let me know :)

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Heather

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