Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Thank you all LiveCode staffers - appreciate the many Android bug fixes 

Kind regards

Dave



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RE: Gofundme posted in the Forums

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Well done Lagi

Sean hang in there

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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Sean this sounds like a nightmare. Awful you've been affected like this. 

But please just go for a long walk by the cliffs without jumping off!

Kind regards

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Re: Digital Pomegranate

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Great news! :)





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invitation to an openEHR conference that'll feature a LiveCode-built app

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Apologies for cross posting...

Those of you who don't use the forum please consider clicking this link: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=30799&p=165512#p165512

Those of you who do use the form - you'll have already seen the thread and
can move on...

Kind regards

Dave Kilroy



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Re: Release 9.0.0 RC-1

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Well done all of you at LiveCode!

RC-1 looks great and a 'great leap forward' from 8 (which was itself a great
leap forward etc...)

I don't have enough time to have a good play with it at the moment but am
looking forward to doing so :)

BTW, in the last week using 9.0.0-dp11 I've built and submitted the same app
twice for iTunesConnect, and apart from the usual annoying warning messages,
the app sailed though the Apple Review process (and uploaded .apks to Google
Play as well). In short, dp11 was stable for me and just fine for deploying
as well as development. 

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: tsNet documentation

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Thank you Charles - these look really useful, they'll help me use your
external better - smashing!

As soon I have spare brain cells I'll view them all...

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Re: Livecode.com server down

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

What Heather told me the last time this happened was to:

a) disconnect your development machine from the internet
b) launch LiveCode (it opens in offline mode)
c) reconnect your development machine to the internet
d) continue making awesome apps with LC



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Re: post to cgi, JSON in Headers?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Klaus I wonder if he wants you to let the server know what kind of data
you'll be sending up, it's not uncommon to set the headers this way when
posting data to an API:

put "Content-Type: application/json" into tHeaders
set httpHeaders to tHeaders


Good luck!

Dave 



Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote
> As a file, or to a SQL database? I successfully store PDFs in a mySQL
> database as large blobs. For PDFs that are not large, a medium BLOB would
> probably be fine. I open the PDF for binary read, then read until EOF. But
> my PDFs are one or at most two page fillable forms. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 08:25 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <

> use-livecode@.runrev

> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I am scripting a routine to upload a PDF file to a server.
>> So far, so good-> libURLMultipartFormData() is my friend.
>> 
>> but now the developer of the API send me two TOKENs for authentification
>> and said: 
>> "...and make sure you're posting the HTTP header data (the tokens) as
>> application/json."
>> ???
>> Now he is not available for the next hours. :-(
>> 
>> Anyone knows what he is talking about and how I can add this to my
>> scripts?
>> Thanks a lot in advance!
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hi all - this is how I arrange my screens (also pretty much how they are
physically)

 

I'm running a 2014 15" mbp on High Sierra and my two external monitors are
the special LG 5k ones (with thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapters). No dead spots as
regards mouse movements or clicks

The only thing I find I need to do as regards LC is if I have the big
monitors attached and have previously used LC with only the mbp screen, I
need to right-click the LC icon on the dock, choose options and set the desk
space to 'display 1' before setting it to 'display 3' (where I usually place
my LC). I also need to give the script editor a bit of TLC if the previous
time I opened it was on the mbp screen

set the topleft of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to 200,200
set the loc of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to the screenloc

These commands in the message box usually reveal the script editor (in the
mbp screen) which I just then drag over, the next time I open LC the script
editor knows where to be and everything is ok. Err occasionally even message
box stuff won't reveal the script editor, in which case I save the app I'm
working on anyway, close and restart LC and it's sorted itself out.

PS: I don't have the tops of the monitors aligned so that mouse movements
between my mbp screen and the big screens doesn't involve a vertical 'jump'
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Re: iOS Profile Menu

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Roger, I find it saves my sanity (and keeps things tidy) if I zap old
provisioning profiles before getting Xcode to install new ones - you should
find them on your system at the location below:

/Users/[userName]/Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles

Dave



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Re: The coming of SVG

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Brilliant thanks Mark! :)

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: The coming of SVG

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

he he -  that should be "svg compiler"

Dave



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Re: The coming of SVG

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hi - anyone got news on 'VectorIcon' or whatever it's going to be called? I
was thinking it would arrive with LC (dp11) but it didn't

When using Mark's external that he shared on LC Global I can get it working
in the IDE but it's a no-show on an iOS device (amongst other errors I get
"864,7,1 unable to load sag compiler")

Regards

Dave



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Re: Mac 64 bit?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

+1

LC9 is stable as far as I’m concerned and has been for many months, I’m using 
it for development and deployment

Kind regards

Dave

PS: it’s also a pain to have to delete and reapply widgets when moving back and 
forth between LC8 and 9…


> One more reason to use the most recent build during development: 
> 
> In v9 you'll find that's already done: 64-bit is now the default, 
> "Experimental" has been removed, as "(Deprecated)" is now added next to 
> 32-bit. 
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Re: Voice Comparison in LiveCode?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hi Peter

Yep what you are trying to do is indeed not easy if you want it to work on your 
friend’s Amazon tablet

Are you not tempted to use ‘standard’ voice-to-text on Android or iOS as per 
your method b and then buying your friend a non-crippled droid tablet?

If the answer is “no i want to stretch the envelope” then I like Phil’s 
stackoverflow link the best :)
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17010516/how-to-detect-how-similar-a-speech-recording-is-to-another-speech-recording
 


Kind regards

Dave



> i'm developing an app for cheap Android tablets (e.g. Amazon Fire 7in) that 
> allows a user to practice speaking a set of words.  The app plays a sample of 
> a word and the user then tries to say the same word.  So far the app can play 
> sample words and capture the user's attempts for the same words.  The sample 
> words and user attempts are uncompressed WAV files. 
> 
> I'm trying to find the code to do the comparison of 2 WAV files.  Ideally, 
> the code will be in the following formats (best first): 
> 
> 1. LiveCode 
> 2. Pseudocode 
> 3. Other code (Python, Java, C++ etc.) 
> 4. Academic papers 
> 
> I'm considering 2 general methods: 
> 
> a. Compare 2 voice clips directly 
> b. Convert 2 voice clips to text (using voice-to-text) and then compare the 
> words in text format 
> 
> Note that Ali Lloyd from the LiveCode team has developed various things to 
> help.  However I've hit problems as follows: 
> 
> a. Ali has wrapped a standard Android sound library that compares 2 WAV files 
> and gives a percentage match. However the comparison is either far too 
> forgiving or far too strict, i.e. highly unreliable. 
> 
> b. Ali has wrapped a standard Android voice-to-text library which works well 
> with the devices he's tried it on.  However, the Amazon tablets do not 
> support this Android library! 
> 
> Given the two developments from Ali both relied on preformed blackbox code 
> (Android Java libraries), i may have to implement a comparison algorithm from 
> scratch. A solution that's completely in LiveCode would have several 
> benefits: 
> 
> i. it may work! 
> ii. it may work cross-platform 
> iii. it may be understandable! 
> 
> General reading around this subject produces recommendations such as using 
> FFTs (Fast Fourier Transforms), MFCCs (Mel Frequency Cepstral Coefficient), 
> etc. but I can't find anything that gives an end-to-end method, from sound in 
> to comparative score out! 
> 
> Any help with this would be gratefully received! 
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

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Thank you all LiveCode workers - Merry Christmas to you all

Kind regards

Dave


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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.9 RC-1

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Excellent Excellent Excellent

Dave




Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> Excellent.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:54 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > Well, short answer is "quite soon, before Christmas" :)
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Any word on the next release of 9?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:33 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear list members,
> > > >
> > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.9 RC-1.
> > > >
> > > > Getting the Release
> > > > ===
> > > > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ 
> > > >  or
> > > via
> > > > the automatic updater.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Release Contents
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > LiveCode 8.1.9 RC-1 contains more than 20 bugfixes and improvements,
> > > > including:
> > > >
> > > > - Various crashes related to the acceleratedRendering property are now
> > > > fixed
> > > > - Support for building with Xcode 9.2 (and using the latest iOS 11.2
> > SDK)
> > > > has been added, as well as the ability to set splash images and icon
> > for
> > > > iPhone X.
> > > > - New versions of mergExt* and tsNet externals are included,
> > addressing a
> > > > couple of bugs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Notes:
> > > >
> > > > - Xcode 9.2 requires MacOS 10.12.6 or higher
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The full release notes are available from:
> > > > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_9/LiveCodeNotes- 
> > > > 
> > > 8_1_9_rc_1.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Feedback
> > > > 
> > > > Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
> > > > http://quality.livecode.com/ 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have fun!
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Re: Shout Out to dev@livecode

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Well said Roger

Thank you team, we appreciate the amazing stuff you do!

Kind regards

Dave



> I was rummaging around in RevOnline i.e. Sample Stacks looking for new ideas 
> to play with and I ran across Bouncing Balls by [hidden email] 
> 
>  last updated in 2014. I just have to say what a cool stack this is! I am 
> learning so much from this contribution as it is filled with examples and 
> concepts I was not familiar with, along with impeccable commenting throughout 
> that even I can understand. 
> 
> Too often this list is focussed on criticisms of various sorts. Well, I for 
> one appreciate this kind of support and it’s implementation and presentation 
> on RevOnline. 
> 
> Thank you, dev@livecode!!! 
> 
> Roger 
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Re: Livecode Content Management System

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Well of course if you put it that way I don’t want to do anything to discourage 
exploration, let a 1,000 flowers bloom etc and I’d love to see a LC CMS

However our community IS a lot smaller than Python’s...

Kind regards

Dave


Richard Gaskin wrote:

> revIgniter is one of the best open source projects in the LiveCode 
> community.  Ralf's work has been truly exemplary, with a solid 
> implementation, some of the best docs for any such system, and an 
> unusually responsive support that shows him fixing bugs and refining 
> features in near-real time. 
> 
> It may be that revIgniter is an excellent fit for what Alex has in mind. 
> 
> But if we look at web frameworks for other languages, we see most 
> languages have more than one framework.  This is natural and to be 
> expected, since not every web development workflow will be identical. 
> 
> Consider CMSes made with Python: 
>  > 
> 
> Nearly 20 in that list, each addressing a set of needs different from 
> the others, so that collectively Python can be used in a very wide range 
> of contexts. 
> 
> I believe this is where LiveCode will inevitably wind up some day as 
> well.  Or at least so I hope. 
> 
> In the Python world, the most popular CMS by far is Django, and all 
> others pale by comparison in popularity.  I suspect the same will remain 
> true with revIgniter for the foreseeable future; the quality of Ralf's 
> stewardship will retain its valuable position in our community. 
> 
> But I would not discourage exploration of other ways of working.  Any 
> single framework will embody one way of thinking, and no matter how good 
> it is other thought is possible. 
> 
> I think it's a sign of a healthy platform when an ecosystem has more 
> than just one of a given resource type. 
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Re: Livecode Content Management System

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hi Alex

My instinct would be to build on revIgniter rather than start another (possibly 
competing) project - I would be much more likely to contribute to an enriched 
revIgniter than to two disjointed projects

My two penneth…

Kind regards

Dave


Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I'm looking for (initial) interest, previous experience, comments, etc. 
> 
> Every few [ = 4 to 8] months for the last few [= 2 to 3] years, I've 
> been either building a new website for someone, or making significant 
> changes/enhancements to an existing one. Almost every time, unless the 
> changes are very small, I've decided that I really *should* convert it 
> to use a 'proper' CMS - e.g. Wordpress. 
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Re: The coming of SVG

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Hmm tricky this naming business isn’t it!

My take on this is that it would be better to have a modifier for an existing 
control name rather than baptise a new control name to join what we already 
have (especially as it sounds like what Mark has done to to create a 
‘superImage’ / ‘superGraphic’ control (I know there is more to it than that, 
but for me this is what stands out as new)

In much the same way that ‘trueWord’ joined ‘word’ we could have ‘uniImage’ or 
‘trueImage’ (or ‘uniGraphic’ or ‘trueGraphic’) - this will keep the number of 
control names down as a low as possible and won’t break anything in old code

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Re: JSON import error

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

quite agree, and as Jacque says “its the law” - and only the brave own up to 
their DOH! moments (of which I have several every hour)

kind regards

dave

>  From the thrid party perspective, it doesn’t matter whether the OP has an 
> epiphany, or another list contributor solves the problem.  All is good 
> interesting and helpful.   It’s also nice to see that even the wise ones have 
> the same 'moments of discovery' that the rest of us do. 
> 
> David G 
> 
> 
> > On 2 Nov 2017, at 6:57 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <[hidden email] 
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> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > On 11/2/17 6:52 AM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode wrote: 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging 
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging> 
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging 
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging>> 
> > 
> > Yeah. Story of my life. I've since hit another error in the JSON import but 
> > now I'm afraid to post about it. :) 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | [hidden email] 
> > <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4720553&i=1>
> >  
> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
> > <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
> >



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Re: JSON import error

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging 



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RE: Announcing our first Livecode app in the iOS App Store

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Congratulations on the health informatics app!

Occasionally I need to do mappings to ICD-10 so I’ll definitely check out your 
app...

Kind regards

Dave
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Re: Android Filing System using LC9

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hi Peter

I’ve just done a new test build for my Galaxy S7Android (running Android 7) 
using LC 9.0.0 (dp10) and I’m able to transfer files from ‘engine’ to 
‘documents’ and to write to ‘documents’. 

I’ve never had to manually add “Android” and have found specialFolderPath() to 
be solid for my on Android - but there again I’m not trying to access data the 
app stores on the device by any method other than using the app itself...

This is what I’m currently using to set up local files (it’s a bit sloppy and 
could do with updating - especially the test for whether or not to copy all the 
files over) - but it works:


on setupLocalFiles
   if isMobile() then
  put the defaultfolder into tDefault
  put specialFolderPath("engine") & "/ehrdata/" into tFolder
  set the defaultfolder to tFolder
  put the files into tFiles
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tFiles
 if char 1 of line i of tFiles = "." then delete line i of tFiles
  end repeat
  set the defaultfolder to tDefault
  
  put specialFolderPath("engine") & "/ehrdata/" into tSourceFolder
  put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/ehrdata/" into tTargetFolder
  if there is not a folder tTargetFolder then create folder tTargetFolder
  put (the ehr["templateId"] of the current stack) & 
"_exampledatareduced.json" into tCheckFile
  replace space with "_" in tCheckFile
  put files(tSourceFolder) into tFiles
  
  if there is not a file (tTargetFolder & tCheckFile) then
 repeat for each line tFile in tFiles
if char 1 of tFile = "." then next repeat
put tSourceFolder & tFile into tSourceFile
put tTargetFolder & tFile into tTargetFile
put URL("binfile:" & tSourceFile) into URL("binfile:" & tTargetFile)
 end repeat
  end if
   end if
end setupLocalFiles


And this is and example of how I write “on the fly” to ‘documents - again it’s 
a bit convoluted (it uses encryption) as it’s specific to my needs - but it 
works:


on savePrefs
   put the uPrefs of stack "Diadem" into tPrefs
   put doEncryptAnd64(tPrefs) into t64
   
   if word 1 of t64 <> "Bad" then 
  if isMobile() then put "documents" into tSpecialFolder
  else put "resources" into tSpecialFolder
  put specialFolderPath(tSpecialFolder) & "/prefs/"into tPath
  if there is not a folder tPath then create folder tPath
  put tPath & "prefs.txt" into tFile
  put t64 into URL("binfile:" & tFile)
   else
  answer "Error:" && t64
  exit to top
   end if
end savePrefs


Kind regards

Dave


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Re: [off]8/8+/X

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

+1

yep, it’s comin…


Dave




> I'd say LC should be putting some more effort into Android.  I feel even 
> more of a shift coming. 
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Re: remote debugging just stopped being available.

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

I have never been able to get it working (except in iOS simulator) - in the 
past I’ve tried all sorts of things (including booking a session at my local 
Apple shop to see if they could find any problem with the bluetooth etc on my 
mbp and various iOS devices - never a glimmer of anything - maybe at some stage 
in the future when I get a new dev machine…

Kind regards

Dave


> Mine never did come back. I haven't seen it in months. 
> 
> On 9/4/17 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> > Too late - it just came back again. 
> > 
> > I'm on MacOS 10.10.5 - no extra firewall or security software running. 
> > 
> > Now that I'm alert to it, if it happens again I'll (likely) notice it 
> > immediately, and take more note of what happened just before it. 
> > 
> > Thanks 
> > 
> > Alex. 
> > 
> > 
> > On 05/09/2017 00:09, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: 
> >>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 9:03 am, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
> >>> <[hidden email] 
> >>> >
> >>>  wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I'm sure I've seen this question on the list ... but just can't find 
> >>> the right search term to find it :-) 
> >>> 
> >>> I've been using the remote debugger (on Android, with 9.0.0DP8 
> >>> Business), for the last day or so. And then tonight it just suddenly, 
> >>> for no reason I can think of, stopped asking me if I wanted a remote 
> >>> debug session. 
> >>> 
> >>> How do I get it back ? 
> >>> 
> >>> Did I do something to make it go in a huff ? 
> >> This does sound a bit like what Jacque has experienced. Can you try 
> >> temporarily disabling any firewalls or web shields and testing. 
> >> 
> >> Cheers 
> >> 
> >> Monte 
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RE: [ANN] Important: New release of LiveCode 8.1.6

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

+1 from me - the LiveCode team have been MEGA - thank you all!!

Kind regards

Dave


> 
> I would like to thank Panos, Mark et al. This is the type of support that the 
> big boys can't(or won't) give. 
> 
> Ralph DiMola 
> IT Director 
> Evergreen Information Services 
> [hidden email] 
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: use-livecode [mailto:[hidden email] 
> ]
>  On Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:43 AM 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Cc: panagiotis merakos 
> Subject: [ANN] Important: New release of LiveCode 8.1.6 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Since the week beginning 21st August 2017, LiveCode iOS apps are being 
> rejected by iTunes Connect due to 'invalid binary'. It turns out that Apple 
> have upgraded the tools they use to analyse binaries, and this has shown an 
> error in the Mach-O structure of the 64-bit slice. The version of otool with 
> Xcode 6.x (on 10.9) does not show a problem, but newer versions do. 
> 
> For this reason, we have built a new version of LiveCode 8.1.6 that addresses 
> this issue. 
> 
> So if you have already installed the original LiveCode 8.1.6 and are affected 
> by this issue, please visit now 
> 
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ 
> 
> 
> and download the latest 8.1.6 (STABLE), released on the 31st of August. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> The LiveCode Team 
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Jonathan - how about a toast? (on Android that is), I haven’t tested it but I 
would assume it would appear above a browser…

Monte did an external some time ago (mergAndroid I think) that I’m pretty sure 
included support for toasting :)

Kind regards

Dave
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Re: Livecode on iPod

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

I’ve used www.getudid.io  in the past and sometimes 
received non-functioning UDIDs - and bad UDIDs are a pain to deal with…

Of course maybe the website works now - however I recommend that people connect 
their iOS devices to a machine running the latest version of iTunes and use 
that to get their UDIDs - and in my experience iTunes provides 100% reliable 
UDIDs

Kind regards

Dave

PS: and yes, LiveCode apps run fine on iPods



> I would bet yes, but UDIDs that start with  are fake. There are many ways 
> to get the real UDID, if you want to create a build for them that they are 
> included in the provisioning file. Look at this site as an example: 
> 
> https://www.getudid.io 
> 
> Settings wise is should be like iPhone. 
> 
> > On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
> > <[hidden email] 
> > >
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > I have a young user that was given an iPod by his family. 
> > 
> > UDID: 5C 
> > OS: iPhone OS 10.3.2 
> > Device: iPod7,1 (iPod7,1) 
> > Capacity: 14.9 GB 
> > 
> > will LiveCode apps run on this? the SA builder does not show "iPod" under 
> > iOS. 
> > 
> > BR 
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.1.5

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

@Panos

LC 8.1.5 builds OK for iOS here:
OS X: 10.12.5
Xcode: 8.3.3

Dave


> @Paul 
> Thanks for the feedback 
> 
> @Mike 
> After the LiveCode Global on Thursday, I'll update my Mac to Sierra 
> 10.12.5, to see if this is related. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode < 
> [hidden email] 
> >
>  wrote: 
> 
> > I just saw the Link Arm error, but the dialogue also suggested updating 
> > the path to the Xcode tools, I did this with [ sudo xcode-select -r ] in 
> > terminal and all works correctly now. This is with Xcode 8.3 installed in 
> > the default Applications folder. I haven’t tried updating Xcode to 8.3.3 
> > just yet though! 
> > 
> > Paul 
> > 
> > 
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85% - nail biting finish

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Come on you last-minute-people, if you are going to help the time is now!

We have 11 minutes to raise $1,970

The url is https://livecode.com/project/datagrid2/ 
 - don’t leave it too late!

Kind regards

Dave


> Are you watching this guys? I cannot move from the screen... We are roaring 
> up on the finish but we still need another 15% to make it. 52 minutes to go. 
> I think that means we need $71/minute. C'mon pledgers... 
> 
> On the edge of her seat, 
> 
> Heather 
> 
> 
> Heather Laine 
> Customer Services Manager 
> LiveCode Ltd 
> www.livecode.com 
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Re: Submitting to the #%^%#? App Store

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Ah yes - one of the biggest GOTCHA’s there is when working on Apple 
certification…

I’ve found the best approach is to keep my dev machine scrupulously clean as 
regards old certificates, and a session with Keychain Access pays dividends. 

The same thing goes as regards old provisioning profiles - you should find all 
provisioning profiles on your mac stored at 
'/Users/ Okay. - I got it submitted :) 
> 
> I had revoked an older certificate to make sure I was using the right one, 
> but that certificate was still in the key chain. 
> 
> Fingers crossed they like it on the first try. 
> 
> Sorry for my hidden curse word there - it was just one of those moments. 
> 
> J 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Jul 4, 2017, at 11:01 PM, [hidden email] 
> > 
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > I created a new profile just for this - still get the same error. 
> > 
> > After that I tried manually codesigning, but then I got the same error 
> > again. 
> > 
> > Any other ideas? And thanks for taking the time on this - it is much 
> > appreciated. 
> > 
> > J 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On Jul 4, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <[hidden 
> >> email] 
> >> >
> >>  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> You choose a profile in Standalone Application Settings. There’s a danger 
> >> of picking an old one. See discussions like this on how to remove out of 
> >> date ones: 
> >> 
> >> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26732251/how-to-remove-provisioning-profiles-from-xcode
> >>  
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It should have a certificate associated with it, and unless you recently 
> >> resubscribed it ought to work. 
> >> 
> >>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <[hidden 
> >>> email] 
> >>> >
> >>>  wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Colin, 
> >>> 
> >>> Yes and yes 
> >>> 
> >>> Do we need to sign the actual file after it is created? I thought that 
> >>> happened when we created to executable from LC. 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 
> >>> 
>  On Jul 4, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <[hidden 
>  email] 
>  >
>   wrote: 
>  
>  Are you using an App Store Distribution profile? Was its certificate 
>  your Distribution one? 
>  
>  
> > On Jul 4, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <[hidden 
> > email] 
> > >
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > Both venting and seeking advice. 
> > 
> > Actually submitting an app to iTunes Connect is not easy, to put it 
> > mildly. 
> > 
> > I am getting an error... 
> > 
> > The executable 'Payload/Augmented Earth.app/Augmented Earth' must be 
> > signed with the certificate that is contained in the provisioning 
> > profile. 
> > 
> > I have no idea how it could be wrong. The distribution provisioning 
> > profile seems correct to me. Is there a step I am missing? I thought I 
> > was following the steps outlined on the LC site. 
> > 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

+1, Jonathan use what works for you in your situation - glad you got a solution 
you’re happy with

Dave

> 
> No judgment from me on this. On the contrary, most development mixes 
> languages from time to time, and I think it can be instructive to 
> observe where the dividing lines of natural usage are found. 
> 
> So I was kidding, of course, in referring to LC as a "JavaScript 
> packaging tool", but maybe only somewhat: 
> 
> Where we find ourselves using JavaScript to cover for something that's 
> hard to do in LC -- and vice versa, where we prefer doing something in 
> LiveCode because it's hard to do in JavaScript -- we may learn something 
> about the sweet spot of each. 

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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

OK good, the visible bits of a native field (border, background colour etc) 
could all be provided by background graphics so when you switch fields no 
visible change can be seen - you might even be able to use the inputTextChanged 
message instead of a button which the user has to press

BTW you’ll have to delete the native field instead of just hiding it as it’ll 
be in the top layer and could interfere with user interactions…

Dave


> Hi Dave - I think that might help 
> 
> I could give the user a button for opening up a pastable field. They could 
> paste into that and LC could process it and put it into the regular field. 
> It's not a bad idea. 
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Re: How do we access the clipboard on mobile devices?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Jonathan if you use a native field you can access it’s contents (which a user 
could have pasted into it) via something like the inputEndEditing message, and 
from there hide/delete the native field, reveal a LiveCode field, place the 
relevant data into it etc etc - would this help your situation?

Dave
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Re: LC Global - my experience

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Yes I also thought it was great for all the reasons others have mentioned :)

I was lucky enough to have some other LiveCoders here and we watched (some of 
the sessions) together - but I also do miss the chatting with bigger crowds of 
LiveCoders

See you all at the next one!

Dave


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Re: xCode ??? version

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

tldr - don’t use Xcode 8.3 yet, you can still build for iOS 10.3



Bill the Release Notes are a good place to check such issues. The following is 
an extract for release notes for LiveCode 8.1.4(rc1)

iOS

iOS deployment is possible when running LiveCode IDE on a Mac, and provided 
Xcode is installed and has been set in LiveCode Preferences (in the Mobile 
Support pane).


3

LiveCode 8.1.4-rc-1 Release Notes 4/4/17

Currently, the supported versions of Xcode are:

Xcode 4.6 on MacOS X 10.7
Xcode 5.1 on MacOS X 10.8
Xcode 6.2 on MacOS X 10.9
Xcode 6.2 and 7.2 on Mac OS X 10.10 Xcode 8.2 on MacOS X 10.11

Xcode 8.2 on MacOS 10.12

It is also possible to set other versions of Xcode, to allow testing on a wider 
range of iOS simulators. For instance, on OS X 10.10 (Yosemite), you can add 
Xcode 5.1 in the Mobile Support preferences, to let you test your stack on the 
iOS Simulator 7.1.

We currently support deployment for the following versions of iOS:

6.1 [simulator] 7.1 [simulator] 8.2 [simulator] 9.2

10.2 
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Re: Subject: Re: Don't amputate numberformat

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Do you guys know about Hugh Senior’s Field Formatter? 
http://www.flexiblelearning.com/fieldformatter/ 


Dave



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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

‘Confusion' being an understatement, it would have swiftly caused shock and 
horror :)
Dave


>> (I was going to joke around a bit for those who are familiar with the 
>> original "Modest Proposal" in literature, but I'm not sure if that 
>> work is still popular these days so I decided not to.) 
>> 
> Just as well you didn't, that would swiftly have caused confusion :-) 
> Alex. 
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Re: Xcode version for iOS 10.2.1 and LC 9.0.0 dp6

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Bill the following is from the Release Notes for LiveCode 8.1.3 (located inside 
the ‘Guide’ bit of the new dictionary)

Dave


iOS
iOS deployment is possible when running LiveCode IDE on a Mac, and provided 
Xcode is installed and has been set in LiveCode Preferences (in the Mobile 
Support pane).

Currently, the supported versions of Xcode are:

Xcode 4.6 on MacOS X 10.7
Xcode 5.1 on MacOS X 10.8
Xcode 6.2 on MacOS X 10.9
Xcode 6.2 and 7.2 on Mac OS X 10.10
Xcode 8.2 on MacOS X 10.11
Xcode 8.2 on MacOS 10.12
It is also possible to set other versions of Xcode, to allow testing on a wider 
range of iOS simulators. For instance, on OS X 10.10 (Yosemite), you can add 
Xcode 5.1 in the Mobile Support preferences, to let you test your stack on the 
iOS Simulator 7.1.

We currently support deployment for the following versions of iOS:

6.1 [simulator]
7.1 [simulator]
8.2 [simulator]
9.2
10.2

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Re: Blowfish digest , how to create in Livecode

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Mathias I use blowfish from within LiveCode … but no blowfishdigest that I know 
of:


encrypt pPayload using "bf" with password tPassword at 128 bit

put it into tPayload




Dave
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Re: Help test please? GoLiveNet in v9

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Works very nicely with LC8.1.3 and 9.0.0(dp6) on mac 10.12.3

Dave

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Re: Remote debugger

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Thanks Jacque - but I’m not convinced that’s it - I set that (for android) plus 
Internet, Remote Debugger - and have tried various combinations of including 
and not including tsNet - and have rebooted by mac and router … but I don’t 
think I tried making wifi required for iOS, will try that in the morning

One thing I am suspicious of however is gRevDevelopment - when I look at my 
menu sections in the IDE I can see it’s set, but when I check in the message 
box it show false - if I set it to true (via the message box or in code) then I 
can get the message box to report it as true, and it shows in the menus as true 
- but if I then save and quit and relaunch LiveCode it again shows true in the 
menus but reports as false via the message box! So I guess it’s likely that 
each time I build for iOS/Android its going out with gRevDevelopment set to 
false

And what is extra weird is that this behaviour of the gRevDevelopment not 
having much/any relationship to the settings in the IDE’s menus is the same in 
earlier version of LC 8, 7 and even 6

I obviously don’t understand what gRevDevelopment does!



> Looks like you fell into the same trap I did. You have to enable 
> internet permissions on Android. Not sure about iOS but you might try 
> making WiFi mandatory. 
> 
> -- 
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> 
>  
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> 
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Re: Remote debugger

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Nope I can’t get this working in iOS or Android :( however it does fire in the 
iOS simulator

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19367


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Re: Creating LiveCode applications that play well with version control software

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Wow this is fantastic!

Thank you so much for sharing what you’ve done, it really is remarkable

Kind regards

Dave


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Re: Converting scripts in stacks to script only stack behaviors

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Thank you Trevor - a really nice video!

I’ve been using script-only stacks for a while for code libraries, never 
realised how easy it was to use them to effectively make ‘script-only 
behaviors’ :)

Kind regards

Dave


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Re: Mobile library for barcodes?

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Devin in case you need this for Android, Monte built an Android version of 
merZXing (mergZXing-android-1-2 available to Indy/Business licence holders) 
which works fine

Dave


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RE: Android Keyboard Activation Issue

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hmm - Dan both Andrew and I appear to create native inputs on opening the
card so that when the user touches the native control it's ready to go. You
appear to create the native control at the same time the user touches the
underneath field? (or maybe you have a round-rect graphic or similar that
the user clicks on?).

Do you get the same need for a double-touch if a user comes back to a native
control a second time (i.e. when it has already been created)? Perhaps
experiment with creating the native control first and then use it once it's
been fully instantiated?

BTW my wording earlier when I was talking about having an issue on Android
with "the keyboard sliding out" was sloppy - I was trying to say the issue
was around getting the keyboard to slide out of the way i.e. at the end of
the editing process...

Good luck!

Dave

PS: do you have any LiveCode fields on the card with traversalOn set to true
that may be 'holding on' to focus  and thus requiring the double-touch?



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Re: Android Keyboard Activation Issue

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Hi Dan - is your native control multi-line? If so the dictionary says
mobileControlDo multi-line text input specific actions are for iOS only.

I use a 'send' command to create native controls in the openCard handler in
500ms which works in iOS and Android. When I have more than on native input
on a card I make use of: inputFocus, mobileControlTarget, inputBeginEditing
etc.

Also I've had a problem with getting the keyboard to slide out on Android
without an extra tap so I use the following in the keyboardDeactivated
message

 if isAndroid() then
  focus on fld "fldInput1"
  focus on nothing
 end if

So it just may be that if you check exactly where the focus is before the
keyboard appears that you can cut out your extra tap...



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Re: SSL?

[Dave Kilroy]

Basically, on a shared account such as on-rev offer you can’t install a SSL 
certificate without their help

I think LiveCode used to offer a service where they would help install a SSL 
certificate you had purchased elsewhere - but it may be they no longer do this 
as they now sell SSL certificates for on-rev at £101.12 - if you log in to your 
LiveCode account, click on ‘Hosting’ and then scroll down you should see it 
listed...

Also, free SSL certificates have been available for a while now from an 
organisation called LetsEncrypt - some providers (such as hostm.com 
) will set up of these free SSL certificates as a client 
wants for no charge

Kind regards


> Hi, 
> 
> I have on on-rev account on sage. Also use the Jimdo service, and put 
> iframes from on-rev with .lc scripts into the Jimdo pages. 
> 
> Now Jimdo is requiring all outside widgets, scripts, iframes, etc. to 
> come from secure (https) domains. 
> 
> Complete newbie on SSL... looking at Cpanel help pages was not too 
> helpful. Can anyone give a quick rundown of the process? Or point to a 
> tutorial for beginners? 
> 
> Many thanks 
> 
> Tim Selander 
> Tokyo, Japan 
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Re: AW: Installer software

[Dave Kilroy]

Well when I was a Visual Studio guy if you wanted any sort of a decent
installer you had to use 3rd party software

Making good Windows installers can be a big thing - and it used to be the
market leader product for this (this is about 8 years ago now) was
InstallShield and that was PRICEY! Like a couple of thousand pounds

There were and are of course many open source solutions such as Inno Setup
... but like I said earlier my particular favourite was Setup Builder...

Also, the typical scenario I came across was the devs would make something
shiny and then expect the guys with the relevant experience to knock up the
installer over the weekend - sometimes this was possible but often it
wouldn't be depending on what functionality was needed

So no, I don't expect LiveCode to include an installer and would prefer
Edinburgh spend time on developing other stuff instead

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: Installer software

[Dave Kilroy]

This may well be over-kill for your need for a Windows installer - but in the
past I used SetupBuilder (http://www.lindersoft.com) a lot and found it
excellent even for complex installation scenarios

However starting at $169 it's not particularly cheap and there is a learning
curve - but it does work!

Dave



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Re: compiler not catching bad exit within routine

[Dave Kilroy]

Ah right I get it now

Have you tried checking your script for invisible characters? Try copying
the entire script to something like BBedit, selecting and copying it afresh
there, deleting everything in the LiveCode script, saving it to ensure it's
clean, pasting in the (hopefully cleaned) script from Bbedit and finally
saving...



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Re: compiler not catching bad exit within routine

[Dave Kilroy]

You define a handler "mkNwDnaRec" but your exit statement refers to
"makeNewDnaRec" ...



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Re: Installing LiveCode Server on a Microsoft Azure Bitnami LAMP stack

[Dave Kilroy]

Huzzah!

The wonderful Simon Smith solved the problem - thanks Simon! :)

See http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28354&p=149144#p149144 for 
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Re: Non-Public API Usage

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi Pink - have you seen this related thread: 
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/iTunes-Connect-rejection-td4710481.html



> I have not used those names, so I submitted it: 
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18958 
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Re: Installing LiveCode Server on a Microsoft Azure Bitnami LAMP stack

[Dave Kilroy]

Thanks Peter! I’ve passed it on…

Kind regards

Dave


> Dave 
> 
> > On 24 Nov 2016, at 19:46, Dave Kilroy <[hidden email] 
> > <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4710572&i=0>>
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi all 
> > 
> > I’ve contracted a smashing guy with great server experience but who is new 
> > to LiveCode install LiveCode Server on a Microsoft Azure Bitnami LAMP stack 
> > for me - and it’s great working with someone who knows what they’re doing 
> > 
> > However we’re stuck - could you clever people have a look at this thread 
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28354&p=148772#p148772 
> > <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28354&p=148772#p148772> 
> > <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28354&p=148772#p148772 
> > <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28354&p=148772#p148772>> 
> > and pass on your suggestions as to how to get it working? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> > 
> > Dave 
> > 
> 
> It might be the Apache is being fussy about the lack of a trailing “/“ in the 
> Script Alias or giving the name of an executable when a directory is 
> required. 
> 
> These are the relevant parts of the config I use happily with Apache 2.4: 
>   
> ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/ "/Users/peter/Sites/LiveCodeServer/“ 
> 
>  
> AllowOverride None 
> Options +ExecCGI 
> Require all granted 
>  
> 
> AddHandler lcscript .lc 
> Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server 
> 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> Peter 
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Installing LiveCode Server on a Microsoft Azure Bitnami LAMP stack

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi all

I’ve contracted a smashing guy with great server experience but who is new to 
LiveCode install LiveCode Server on a Microsoft Azure Bitnami LAMP stack for me 
- and it’s great working with someone who knows what they’re doing

However we’re stuck - could you clever people have a look at this thread 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28354&p=148772#p148772 
 and 
pass on your suggestions as to how to get it working?

Thanks in advance!

Dave




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Re: savingStandalone message

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi all

Ali I would find it really useful if we could set a build number for iOS builds 
inside the plist file where I’m using the 'external test’ functionality in 
TestFlight

I normally use my own way of setting and recording build numbers - and I’m 
happy to carry on doing do. But where there’s a problem is that there is 
currently no way to indicate to iTunesConnect what an app’s build number is as 
a separate value to the app’s version number (see 
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14163 
) - this means we can’t 
upload incremented binaries of the same version number to iTunesConnect for 
rapid deployment via TestFlight, and must instead upload an incremented version 
and then wait around three days for it to exit ‘Beta review'

So, if you are making changes to the standalone builder and including an option 
for build number could you bear TestFlight in mind?

Kind regards

Dave 



> Thanks for the feedback Paul. How is your build number increment 
> implemented? 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM Paul Dupuis <[hidden email] 
> >
>  wrote: 
> 
> > I make use of the savingStandalone message in a few projects. Generally, 
> > I would prefer a single message regardless of the number of platforms I 
> > am building for. For ecample, I set a incremental "build' number on 
> > savingStandalone and I would want that build number to be the same for 
> > all platforms built for. If the message was sent for each platform I 
> > suspect I could come up with some what to still do this, but the code 
> > complexity would increase for a relatively simple task. 
> > 
> > It would seem to me that if you are looking for platform specific 
> > actions to modify the stack(s) used in each platform build, then ideally 
> > you would want a set of platform specific messages. i.e 
> > 
> > savingStandaloneForWindows 
> > savingStandaloneForOSX 
> > savingStandaloneForiOS 
> > savingStandaloneForAndroid 
> > savingStandaloneForHTML5 
> > ... 
> > 
> > Or something like that. That way if you only meed to make a specific 
> > scripted stack modification for Android, you only need to handle that 
> > specific message. 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/15/2016 4:45 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: 
> > > Hi all, 
> > > 
> > > Various tweaks to the standalone builder seem to have broken the way the 
> > > savingStandalone message is supposed to work 
> > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18778 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have submitted a pull request that fixes it - the only wrinkle might be 
> > > that it reintroduces the following bug: 
> > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18364 
> > > , namely that the 
> > > savingStandalone message gets sent for each build platform. 
> > > 
> > > Now, my personal view is that that is how it should work, provided the 
> > > stack state is restored before building for the next platform. It allows 
> > a 
> > > more fine-grained build step where, if we added suitable parameters to 
> > the 
> > > message, you could for example ensure substacks with 
> > platform/architecture 
> > > specific resources were not included in the standalones where they are 
> > > irrelevant. 
> > > 
> > > My question to you is the same as I asked Lyn Teyla in the above report: 
> > > 
> > > Would the following behavior be a problem for your use case, and if so 
> > why? 
> > > 
> > > store stack state (*) 
> > > repeat for each target architecture 
> > >dispatch saving standalone message 
> > >modify stack for per-arch settings 
> > >deploy stack 
> > >restore to state in (*) 
> > >dispatch standalone saved message 
> > > end repeat 
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Re: Scripting style: Verbs in function names

[Dave Kilroy]

Thanks all, interesting discussion

There is another aspect of function/handler naming which is their names in 
relation to APIs - for example I might have a checkConnectivity() function in 
an mainstack's stack or card which calls a cgi.checkConnectivity() function in 
a code library called “cgi” - prepending each handler and function in the code 
library with “cgi” helps me keep track of what is going on and (I think) makes 
it easier to maintain and use across different mainstacks…

…just my two penneth…

Dave


> Thanks for taking the time to write such a considered response Mark 
> > 
> > Are these names any better than the ones already used in the library? It is 
> > hard to say - naming preferences are highly subjective! 
> > 
> I like them, the only thing I’m not sure about is the multiple `mime` in 
> each. 
> 
> > Just my two pence. 
> 
> Worth much more that the current face value! 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> Monte 
> 
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Re: iOS simulator not found after updating LC and Xcode

[Dave Kilroy]

Ach - I should have written “Xcode 8.1” and “Xcode81.app" 

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Dave Kilroy 
> Subject: Re: iOS simulator not found after updating LC and Xcode
> Date: 3 November 2016 at 10:05:31 GMT
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> 
> Yep Thierry is right - still too early to use Xcode 8.1.1
> 
> BTW if you’re going to have multiple versions of Xcode on you machine (which 
> is a sensible thing to do if you’re going to have multiple versions of 
> LiveCode on your machine) the safest way of doing this is to have each of 
> them in their own folder in the Applications folder rather than renaming the 
> .app bundle to something like “Xcode811.app”
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> Mmm, not sure as I'm far away from my computer, 
>> but I think you need Xcode 8 ! not 8.1. 
>> 
>> Hope someone else could confirm... 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Thierry 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2016-11-03 9:57 GMT+01:00 John Allijn <[hidden email] 
>> <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4710003&i=0>>:
>>  
>> 
>> > Hi, 
>> > Yesterday I updated Xcode to 8.1 and LiveCode to version 8.1.1 and now 
>> > LiveCode can’t find any simulators for iOS. 
>> > In the Livecode preferences the list with simulators is empty. When I 
>> > click Add Entry and select the new Xcode app, it gives an error: 
>> > 
>> > "The chosen folder is not a valid iOS SDK. Selected Xcode must have an iOS 
>> > SDK among: 6.1, 7.1, 8.2, 9.2 and 10.0” 
>> > 
>> > When I look in Xcode though, I have iOS 9.1 and iOS 9.2 installed. 
>> > I can also see the installed SDK’s in the /developer folder on my mac but 
>> > When I click “Add Entry” these simulators and their parent folders are not 
>> > selectable (grayed out) 
>> > 
>> > Am I doing something wrong? 
>> >
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Re: iOS simulator not found after updating LC and Xcode

[Dave Kilroy]

Yep Thierry is right - still too early to use Xcode 8.1.1

BTW if you’re going to have multiple versions of Xcode on you machine (which is 
a sensible thing to do if you’re going to have multiple versions of LiveCode on 
your machine) the safest way of doing this is to have each of them in their own 
folder in the Applications folder rather than renaming the .app bundle to 
something like “Xcode811.app”

Dave


> Mmm, not sure as I'm far away from my computer, 
> but I think you need Xcode 8 ! not 8.1. 
> 
> Hope someone else could confirm... 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Thierry 
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-11-03 9:57 GMT+01:00 John Allijn <[hidden email] 
> >:
>  
> 
> > Hi, 
> > Yesterday I updated Xcode to 8.1 and LiveCode to version 8.1.1 and now 
> > LiveCode can’t find any simulators for iOS. 
> > In the Livecode preferences the list with simulators is empty. When I 
> > click Add Entry and select the new Xcode app, it gives an error: 
> > 
> > "The chosen folder is not a valid iOS SDK. Selected Xcode must have an iOS 
> > SDK among: 6.1, 7.1, 8.2, 9.2 and 10.0” 
> > 
> > When I look in Xcode though, I have iOS 9.1 and iOS 9.2 installed. 
> > I can also see the installed SDK’s in the /developer folder on my mac but 
> > When I click “Add Entry” these simulators and their parent folders are not 
> > selectable (grayed out) 
> > 
> > Am I doing something wrong? 
> >

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Re: errordialog caveat?

[Dave Kilroy]

A further thought - LC8 ‘speaks’ UniCode while LC6 doesn’t - is there anything 
in your library stack name, or the path to the library, or inside the handler) 
that might be affected?


> On 11 Oct 2016, at 14:38, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
> 
> I’m guessing the library stack a separate stack - what happens if you make it 
> a sub-stack? 
> 
> Further questions - can you check defaultstack, defaultfolder, stacksinuse 
> just before calling your custom error dialog?
> 


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Re: errordialog caveat?

[Dave Kilroy]

I’m guessing the library stack a separate stack - what happens if you make it a 
sub-stack? 

Further questions - can you check defaultstack, defaultfolder, stacksinuse just 
before calling your custom error dialog?


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Re: Understanding 'the defaultStack'

[Dave Kilroy]

+1 on a ‘using … end using’ block - it would be so useful!


On 10/9/2016 9:35 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: 
> Some long time ago, someone on this list suggested a control block such 
> as "using " ... "end using" 
> 
> Where any object references in the block would always be evaluated 
> relative to the object referred to in the start of the using block. 
> So: 
> 
> using card 3 of stack "X" 
>   put the label of btn "A" into myVar 
>   ... 
> end using 
> 
> Would look for button "A" on card 3 of stack "X" 
> 
> using stack "X" would be essentially the same as set the defaultStack to "X" 
> 
> but you could also do things like 
> 
> using grp id 1005 of card 3 of stack "X" 
>repeat with i=1 to the number of fields 
>  -- would refer only to the field in group ID 1005 of card 3 of 
> stack "X" 
>end repeat 
> end using 
> 
> nested using block would presumably be possible 
> 
> I always though this enhancement would be a great addition to LiveCode. 
> I would suggest this as a compliment to the defaultStack. 
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Re: Ask dialogs in iOS10 with apps built with LC 6.7.11

[Dave Kilroy]

Thanks Peter for the lightning fast response!

OK I thought it must be general thing (and yet another reason to move to LC 8.1)

Actually (nearly) all my work is in LC 8.1.1 now - this particular app I’m 
using 6.7.11 on is a legacy one for a client that I’m modernising bit by bit - 
and am now recommending a ‘great leap forward’ to 8.1.1…

Kind regards

Dave




On 06/10/2016 11:10, Peter TB Brett wrote:

> I believe that this may be due to an LiveCode engine bug, affecting 6.7, 
> 7.0, 7.1 and 8.0, that is fixed in LC 8.1.0. 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2016, at 11:14, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m getting what seems to be a bug but would like to check it out with you 
>> guys first…
>> 
>> If I use LC 6.7.11 (and Xcode 7.3.1) to build an app that contains an ‘Ask 
>> question’ and/or ‘Ask password’ dialog box - on iOS 9.3.5 they work fine - 
>> but on iOS 10 the ‘Ask’ dialogs get converted to ‘Answer’ dialogs i.e. there 
>> is nowhere for the user to write anything and there is only the title and a 
>> ‘Cancel’ and ‘OK’ button.
>> 
>> Can any of you confirm this? Or even better, share a workaround?
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Dave
> 

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Ask dialogs in iOS10 with apps built with LC 6.7.11

[Dave Kilroy]

I’m getting what seems to be a bug but would like to check it out with you guys 
first…

If I use LC 6.7.11 (and Xcode 7.3.1) to build an app that contains an ‘Ask 
question’ and/or ‘Ask password’ dialog box - on iOS 9.3.5 they work fine - but 
on iOS 10 the ‘Ask’ dialogs get converted to ‘Answer’ dialogs i.e. there is 
nowhere for the user to write anything and there is only the title and a 
‘Cancel’ and ‘OK’ button.

Can any of you confirm this? Or even better, share a workaround?

Kind regards

Dave
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Re: iTunesConnect & Bitcode Auto-Recompilation

[Dave Kilroy]

Thanks Monte - I’ll keep away from it as well then…


> We do not have bitcode enabled for LiveCode builds. 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> Monte 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2016, at 17:42, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Has anyone enabled this with a LiveCode app yet on iTunesConnect? In the 
>> Bitcode Auto-Recompilation section it states:
>> 
>> "Occasionally, we may automatically recompile apps that include bitcode to 
>> improve hardware support or to optimize our software."
>> 
>> Anyone know if this could effect a LiveCode-made app and are we OK to let it 
>> recompile our apps? 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
> 

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iTunesConnect & Bitcode Auto-Recompilation

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi

Has anyone enabled this with a LiveCode app yet on iTunesConnect? In the 
Bitcode Auto-Recompilation section it states:

"Occasionally, we may automatically recompile apps that include bitcode to 
improve hardware support or to optimize our software."

Anyone know if this could effect a LiveCode-made app and are we OK to let it 
recompile our apps? 

Dave


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Re: 9.0???

[Dave Kilroy]

…and beyond?

> The team has foreseen this issue, hence the Infinite LiveCode campaign. 
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Re: 9.0???

[Dave Kilroy]

Hermann I think that is the wittiest reply on this uselist for ages!

Very nicely played :)



> The relative growth of the version numbers is strictly decreasing, 
> for example from 5 to 6 there was an increase of 20%, from 8 to 9 
> there will be an increase of 12.5% only. So, in order to keep the 
> LC version number growth per month at least at a _constant_ rate, 
> they have to increase the version numbers faster and faster. 
> Hard job ;-) 
> 
> 
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Re: testflight

[Dave Kilroy]

Jacque’s AirLaunch

> Is anyone else using testFlight?  What is your favorite way to generate the 
> .ipa file? 
> 
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Re: reloading iOS provisioning profiles etc

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi Ben

You can’t force LC to refresh provisioning profiles - LC only uses provisioning 
profiles made at the developer portal and stored on you computer. These are the 
steps you should consider when adding a new device...



At the Developer Portal:

- add your new device’s UDID in the ‘Devices’ section
- in the ‘Provisioning Profile’ section edit the provisioning profile of the 
app you are interested in - including your new device in the ‘Devices’ box 
(this box is a scrolling field so all your devices may not be in view)
- click the ‘Generate’ button
- do not click the ‘Download’ button



On your computer (Keychain Access)

- check the ‘my Certificates’ section for any expired keys/certificates - zap 
all non-current ones



On your computer (Xcode)

- open Xcode
- open ‘Preferences’
- open the ‘Accounts’ tab
- click on your Apple ID
- click on one of the listed ‘team member’ roles (there may only be one)
- click the ‘View Details’ button
- wait a few seconds for data to refresh
- in the upper ‘Signing Identities’ box ensure your certificates are up to date
- in the lower ‘Provisioning Profiles box remove any duplicate Provisioning 
Profile by right-clicking them and choosing ‘Move to Trash’
- click any showing ‘Download’ buttons showing alongside Provisioning Profile 
(and get rid of all duplicate Provisioning Profiles)
- tidy up all the profiles in each of your ‘team role’ entries
- if you have any remaining profiles you can’t get rid of, right-click one of 
the provisioning profiles and select ‘View in Folder’ (this shows you where 
profiles are stored locally and you can delete all of them and download them 
afresh (close and reopen Xcode preferences to get it to refresh) - try to 
ensure that you only have valid provisioning profiles on your computer - and 
only one copy of each profile



On your computer (LiveCode)

- open LiveCode
- open your app
- open the ‘Standalone Application Settings’ dialog box
- open the iOS tab
- find the relevant Provisioning Profile in the ‘Profile’ drop-down (there 
should only be a single profile with your app’s name in the list)
- save your app
- try building an iOS standalone



You should now have built a new version of your app that can be installed on 
your new device.



BTW the reason I recommend not clicking the ‘download’ button on the Developer 
Portal is that getting Xcode to do the downloading is neater and means it’s 
easier to ensure you only have a single and valid Provisioning Profile for each 
of your development apps on your machine for LiveCode to access

One other thing - I always add “ - development” or “ - distribution” to profile 
names so that when it comes to adding the correct one from the LiveCode 
drop-down I can be sure I’m adding the correct type of profile…

Kind regards

Dave



> After adding a new device to my registered set in my Apple developer account, 
> how can I get LC to recognise it? 
> 
> I go through this every now and then, conduct a lot of superstitious rituals, 
> eventually I get there.. but I never know how. 
> 
> I've launched Xcode, used it to build an app to the device, which caused it 
> to 
> say that there was a problem and offer to fix it. Now Xcode can build to the 
> new device, but LiveCode still not. 
> 
> The message (when I ask Xcode to add the newly built app to the device) is 
> 
> The executable was signed with invalid entitlements. 
> 
> The entitlements specified in your application’s Code Signing 
>   Entitlements file do not match those specified in your 
> provisioning profile. (0xE8008016). 
> 
> 
> In LC, I've selected a different provisioning profile, selected the original 
> one again, quit and restarted LC, turned to face east, hailed cthulhu, etc... 
> all the usual things... still no luck. 
> 
> So, how do I force LC to refresh the provisioning profiles, or otherwise to 
> build an app which can be installed on a new device? 
> 
> Secondary question: how do I get LC to stop seeing every old profile I've 
> ever 
> had (many with the same name) in the "Profile" popup on the iOS tab of the 
> Standalone Settings window? 

TIA, 

Ben 
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Re: Likely arrival date for the "Full cross platform audio recording" part of "Infinite LiveCode"

[Dave Kilroy]

Thanks Peter

Richmond we shall see what we shall see - but at the moment I’m full of hopeful 
expectation :)


> Hi Dave, 
> 
> The language dev team are currently actively working on Infinite 
> LiveCode, and you'll see bits and pieces of it appearing in forthcoming 
> DP releases, but I don't have a completion date yet. 
> 
>Peter 
> 
> -- 
> Dr Peter Brett <[hidden email]> 
> LiveCode Technical Project Manager 
> 
> lcb-mode for Emacs: https://github.com/peter-b/lcb-mode
> 

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Likely arrival date for the "Full cross platform audio recording" part of "Infinite LiveCode"

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi - anyone got any news / heard any rumours about a landing data for full 
cross platform audio recording? 

I’m particularly interested in delivering this for iOS/Android - I know I could 
use mergAV (and in theory mergAndroid) but would prefer to use a shiny new tool 
from LiveCode instead...

Kind regards

Dave


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Re: Random topic: What script font do you like/use?

[Dave Kilroy]

Source Code Pro since Mark Wieder (the font of all wisdom) posted the link on 
this list some years ago…


> 
> On 09/20/2016 06:36 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> >
> >> On 21 Sep 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Source Code Pro is appealing.
> 
> Source Code Pro has been my coding font of choice on all platforms and 
> programming languages since it was first announced.
> 
> -- 
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware@


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Re: tSettings["username"]

[Dave Kilroy]

Charles, Matthias

Thank you so much for adding more and more to this example stack!!!

I can now send super-duper emails from the app :)



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Re: tSettings["username"]

[Dave Kilroy]

Yep a v good question

I looked at Sarah Reichelt's smtp library 
(https://github.com/trozware/rev_stacks 
) to see how she did multiple 
recipients, but how she handles multiple recipients doesn’t help with tsNet…

AND I have another question - which is: how do we send html emails? Sarah’s 
library seems to have cracked this and I can see enough of the bones of how she 
did it (assuming it is still in date and works on tsNet) to be able to 
reconstruct it (but it does look very fiddly) - and when I have time I’ll give 
it a go as it would be nice to have it in the dementia app I’m working on - 
when/if I get it working I’ll post the script here…

Dave


> Great question... Awaiting responses... 
> 
> SKIP 
> 
> > On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Mark Clark <[hidden email] 
> > >
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > Thanks for all the help so far. I forgot to ask -- what is the best way to 
> > add multiple recipients, BCC, etc? 
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Re: tsNet Qs

[Dave Kilroy]

It works like a dream!

Thank you all, this thread has been really helpful to me - I now know so much 
more about emails than I did before (which wasn’t hard considering what I knew 
before)

Kind regards

Dave


> Hi Dave, 
> 
> Yes, you can include attachments in an e-mail. 
> 
> The pData parameter to the tsNetSmtp* commands is the raw e-mail message 
> that you wish to send, complete with e-mail headers. 
> 
> So to send an attachment, you need to build the e-mail as a multi-part 
> MIME message. 
> 
> I have just updated the LCMail stack (thanks to Neil and Matthias for 
> that stack) to add an attachment when you click the "send" button. 
> 
> It is at the same URL as before: 
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/LCMail.livecode 
> 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Charles 
> 
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Re: tsNet Qs

[Dave Kilroy]

Thanks for your help with this Charles and others

Yesterday I got the same advice from HostM about using TLS  - 
"smtp://domain:port” and not "scheme://host:port/path: as it is in the 
dictionary

I’m so impressed with your external, it’s so fast and even fussy domains such 
as nhs.net email accounts accept emails sent by it without objection :)

I have a question to ask though, is it possible to include an attachment with 
the email? 

Dave




> Hi Matthias, 
> 
> On 16/09/2016 8:46 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: 
> > And here´s a simple script 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > put TRUE into pSettings["use_ssl"] 
> > 
> > -- Note: when setting use_ssl to TRUE, then you have to use smtps:// -- 
> > 
> > 
> That is not quite correct. 
> 
> Secure SMTP comes in two flavours, SSL and TLS. 
> 
> If you are using SMTP over SSL, then you just need a URL starting with 
> "smtps://" and you do not need the "use_ssl" setting. 
> If you are using SMTP over TLS, then you need a URL that looks like 
> "smtp://mail.mydomain.com:587" and you must use the "use_ssl" setting to 
> invoke TLS. 
> 
> I have taken the liberty to update Neil's LCMail stack with a few radio 
> buttons, so that it generates the URL and adds the "use_ssl" setting 
> only when appropriate.  You can download it here: 
> 
> https://downloads.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet/LCMail.livecode 
> 
> 
> As an aside, a similar concept applies when using FTPS in implicit or 
> explicit mode: 
> 
> If you are using FTPS in implicit mode, then you just need a URL 
> starting with "ftps://" and you do not need the "use_ssl" setting. 
> If you are using FTPS in explicit mode, then you need a URL that starts 
> with "ftp://"; and you must use the "use_ssl" setting to invoke TLS. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Charles 
> 
> 
> 
> > answer pResponseHeaders &return &tResult 
> > 
> > end mouseup 
> > 
> > 
> > HTH, 
> > 
> > Matthias 
> > 
> >> Am 15.09.2016 um 23:54 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <[hidden email] 
> >> >:
> >>  
> >> 
> >> Hi Mark, 
> >> 
> >> i just tried it with the stack from Neil Roger which is available here 
> >> http://techsupport.on-rev.com/LCMail.zip 
> >>  
> >>  >> > 
> >> or an extended version, which includes also some FTP examples,here 
> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/s/q4oec8uu3pcdgfj/index.html 
> >>  
> >>  >> > 
> >> 
> >> Are you referring to that sample stack? 
> >> 
> >> I just tried it. I have no problems using it to send an email through one 
> >> of my  HostM email accounts to my iCloud email address. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Matthias 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Am 15.09.2016 um 23:29 schrieb Mark Clark <[hidden email] 
> >>> >:
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>> I am looking to replace sending emails via shell to one using the tsNet 
> >>> library. At first I had thought there was a var for the smtp port, but 
> >>> that’s just a server address setting (whoops). 
> >>> I am using hostM on this project and I’m trying to configure through 
> >>> their mail host- I have the proper settings for outgoing mail server 
> >>> (587), mail username (which is just the address for the account), and 
> >>> password. The error message I get back is (56) Failure when receiving 
> >>> data from peer/returned from server.  I’m just slogging through the tsNet 
> >>> Sample Sync Stack to speed things up since sending the email should be 
> >>> trivial compared to the data enclosed in the actual message. But, 
> >>> sometimes that’s how it goes:) Other than the Dictionary and this sample 
> >>> stack does anyone have a pointer to a simple example using this external 
> >>> with a hosted mail service? 
> >>> 
> >>> thx, 
> >>> mark c 
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Re: Another fine mess I find myself in...

[Dave Kilroy]

John is the stack connecting to .lc scripts on on-rev in a SSL domain? If not 
could it be an issue with ATS? i.e. if you tick the ‘Disable ATS’ box does it 
make a difference?

But either way, yet another reason why hostm knocks on-rev into a cocked hat 

Kind regards

Dave


> It seems that the stack that is using .lc scripts to query a database that is 
> running on hostm is fine >... 
> However the stack that is using .lc scripts to query a database that is 
> running on on-rev is the one giving problems... 
> 
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Re: What's everyone working on this month? (September 2016)

[Dave Kilroy]

Alex yes of course you’re right (although it does sound like what you needed 
was a copy of Trevor’s Clarify (http://www.clarify-it.com/ 
<http://www.clarify-it.com/>)

I first used the ‘scribbling on images’ when I was doing a mobile prototype for 
a health related project called OpenEyes (http://www.openeyes.org.uk/ 
<http://www.openeyes.org.uk/>) where clinicians did special ‘scribbling’ to 
indicate various clinical things (I never was clear what exactly they meant…)

So doodling doesn’t have to be just moustaches and spectacles - however in my 
desperation to get people to attend I’m gambling that pitching what we’ll make 
at the ‘fun’ end of the spectrum will lead to more people turning up (I hope)

BTW: I was going to cannibalise my OpenEyes app to form the base learning 
resource for the workshop when John Dixon told me he has already done the work 
(using his own ‘Scribble’ app that was actually on the App Store for some time)

Dave

PS: did your person manage to dismantle the wheelchair?



> On 02/09/2016 12:04, Dave Kilroy wrote: 
> > What a great list, we should do this every month :) 
> > 
> > I’m also doing too much: 
> 
> > 3. Putting on a LiveCode workshop here in Plymouth, UK where the topic will 
> > be creating an iOS/Android app that allows participants to take photos of 
> > their friends, deface them and then send them the ‘enhanced’ photos 
> > http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
> >  
> > <http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/>
> >  
> > <http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
> >  
> > <http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/>>
> >  
> > 
> I would be tempted to tweak the description of this project - it sounds 
> a bit like a "play" app, when in fact it could also be a very useful app. 
> 
> Last week I needed to describe to someone staying in my flat (the other 
> side of the country) how to dismantle something (a slightly complex 
> electric wheelchair which can then be folded/collapsed for transport). 
> It was hard to describe (or indeed remember) exactly which parts had to 
> be twisted which way in which order; in the end I got him to send me a 
> photo, marked it up on my computer and sent it back to  him. Then I 
> could say things like "turn the black knobs marked 'A' outwards", "slide 
> the battery back and up through gap 'C'", etc. 
> 
> I suspect this app you are developing would have made it possible / easy 
> to do this with just our phones. 
> And that might make it sound like a more "serious" app to some people. 
> 
> -- Alex. 
> 
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Re: What's everyone working on this month? (September 2016)

[Dave Kilroy]

What a great list, we should do this every month :)

I’m also doing too much:

1. Developing the ‘DiADeM’ dementia diagnosis app as featured at the recent LC 
conference - we’ll be going for pilot testing in Yorkshire and Buckinghamshire 
on 3rd October so I still have a lot to finish off.

2. Tweaking a pretty cool RFID card reading system created by another LiveCode 
developer - (RFID hardware using BLE to connect to iPods which connect to a 
server). Last month I was working on the BLE and this month looks like my focus 
will be sockets…

3. Putting on a LiveCode workshop here in Plymouth, UK where the topic will be 
creating an iOS/Android app that allows participants to take photos of their 
friends, deface them and then send them the ‘enhanced’ photos 
http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
 


4. Updating a simple video app for iOS and Android for a local group. I really 
like the people involved and the cause they are working for, have just helped 
them set up a Google Play account and am trying to train them enough to make 
their own apps as time goes by.

5. Looking for a developer who can take on a health-related project I don’t 
have time for. If you are interested please get in touch. This project could be 
a great ‘in’ to health-related work - it will involve developing for iOS and 
Android, working with video recording and uploading to a server. Initially it 
may well be that you would have to construct your own web service to receive 
and store video recordings and to manage some sharing between users - but this 
may not be necessary and instead you would have to learn how to connect to 
OpenEHR from the off (I can help with this). There is a UK based pilot due to 
start in February 2017 with a lot of work to be done - not even a spec document 
has been created so this project could very much be ‘your baby’. The client is 
based in the London area. Get in touch if you’re interested

6. Going to the next NHS Hackday 1 & 2 October in Newcastle 
http://nhshackday.com/  - it would be smashing to see 
some other LiveCoder’s there! (Peter Reid I’m looking at you...)
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Re: Atom Issues

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi Matt - I got rid of the ugh red error popups a while back by uninstalling 
and reinstalling Atom (I suspect the linter plugin was the culprit…)


> Thanks, but that didn't change anything. 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Mike Kerner <[hidden email] 
> >
>  
> wrote: 
> 
> > Here is a partial fix for the autocomplete issues. 
> > Settings->Packages->Autocomplete-plus  Then find "Keymap for confirming a 
> > suggestion" and change it to tab, and uncheck "Automatically Confirm Single 
> > Suggestion" 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Matt Maier <[hidden email] 
> > >
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > > I keep getting a red error popup every time I finish writing a word. It 
> > > cites the autocomplete-plus package. No idea how to get it to stop 
> > covering 
> > > half the window in red error messages. 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Mike Kerner <[hidden email] 
> > > >
> > >  
> > > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > I even run into this situation with enter when typing "then" for an "if 
> > > > then". 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Mike Kerner < 
> > [hidden email] 
> > 
> >  
> > > > 
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > Here's another one:  Once atom memorizes a token (say, for example 
> > one 
> > > > > that's a typo, perhaps with capitalization that's wrong, because 
> > > > > capitalization matters in LCB), how do you get rid of the wrong 
> > token? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Mike Kerner < 
> > > [hidden email] 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > >> I'm not hitting Enter because I want to accept the suggestion.  I'm 
> > > > >> hitting Enter because I want a CR.  So Enter is more like "ignore 
> > the 
> > > > >> suggestion and give me a CR" 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Colin Holgate < 
> > > [hidden email] 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > >> wrote: 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >>> That sounds like the nature of auto complete. You could work around 
> > > the 
> > > > >>> issue by using Tab to do the completing. 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> > On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Mike Kerner < 
> > > [hidden email] 
> > > >
> > >  
> > > > >>> wrote: 
> > > > >>> > 
> > > > >>> > Does anyone have any issues using Atom that they want to share? 
> > I 
> > > > >>> have one 
> > > > >>> > that is biting me frequently:  If Atom is trying to suggest a 
> > > token, 
> > > > >>> and I 
> > > > >>> > hit CR, I don't get a CR.  If I'm not watching, I can wind up 
> > with 
> > > > >>> several 
> > > > >>> > lines all appended together.  Instead of having to do cmd-CR to 
> > > get a 
> > > > >>> CR, 
> > > > >>> > I'd kind of like CR do to what it normally does in every other 
> > app 
> > > I 
> > > > >>> use. 
> > > > >>> > 
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Re: Ideas for LiveCode workshops - help needed

[Dave Kilroy]

Thank you all for your ideas, questions and suggestions

First of all, as regards who will be coming to the workshop - basically I’ll 
take anyone with a pulse (might even take the undead…). 

Therefore I have to cater for a wide range of capabilities. Maybe in the future 
when I have more of an established audience/group here I can do stuff more 
tailored to what they need but as of now I need to cater for as wide an 
audience as possible (hence my email to the usegroup)

That said, from other workshops I’ve done here I think I’ll have two main types 
- those who are completely new to coding and those who are proficient in other 
languages and want to give LiveCode a whirl…

It sounds like between us all LiveCoders we have a long list of training we 
would like to receive ourselves, if I have time I’ll set up a Facebook survey 
thingy to see what the most popular workshop topics might be - and from there 
we could see what ways we would have to addressing that need.

So as to my workshop on September 17th, I think I’m gravitating towards the fun 
‘scribbling-on-photos-of-your-friends’ app idea - I know how to do a basic 
version of scribbling on mobile and if others were to donate more advanced 
graphic-effect snippets (I’m looking at you John) that would be lovely to keep 
my more advanced participants happy

Kind regards

Dave

PS: Come to Plymouth on September 17th for a fun day with LiveCode! 
http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
 
<http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/>
PPS: the £10 charge goes to the venue and not to me...


> Ditto what Graham said: 
> 
> We semi-proficient coders hit the wall when we create a scrolling group on 
> desktop and then transfer to our iPhone and it doesn't scroll or set a simple 
> player to a URL for an mp3 on web server and discover that you need a to 
> create a mobile player. What if you have content (a little puzzle game) that 
> really should only be viewed/locked down in landscape?  and this is on card 3 
> of a stack that is otherwise portrait? on desktop it’s a 4-line-of-code 
> simple resize trick. "Wow Livecode is so cool" newbie feels proud they 
> figured that out. Not so on mobile. For the level of workshop you are 
> targeting perhaps (my guess) this would probably be an "advanced track" .. 
> these are the things that someone Javascript person watching over your 
> shoulder says "really, why don't you do this all in HTML 5?"  because it like 
> its  s hard (in livecode) and the html5 world has thousands of answers…" 
> [I'm not buying it yet. I've seen some of these html5 apps with their snake 
> pit of libraries and dependencies and 5 times the lines of code in the end 
> and the endless javascript debugging of what doesn't-quite-work-right yet… 
> until the code becomes so opaque that even the developer himself can hardly 
> read it 6 months later. Give me LC any day… but some things are stil too hard 
> in LC.] 
> 
> And, yes: iOS provisioning, Android developer ID et al: a dark grey mountain 
> of mystery that needs sunlight for the newbie. after a year.. I *think* have 
> iOS pretty much figured… but still putting off building for android locally. 
> Challenge is, non-professionals are no doing this day-in-day-out so we really 
> depend on thorough documentation and examples, that is missing in manby cases 
> or out of date (Livecode lessons are pretty good for some things, but not 
> all) 
> 
> So your work shop can include supplementary material on "where to find what 
> you need to know; disclaimer, everything you need to know may or many not be 
> there." 
> 
> BR 
> 
> 
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>> so I’d like to see a workshop that creates a trivial app (say a 
>> variation on the clock/stopwatch theme - but it could be anything), 
>> discusses the differences (if any) needed in the code for different 
>> platforms, and which is then actually installed on all the available 
>> platforms, indicating all the pitfalls of deploying on iOS, Android, Mac, 
>> Windows, Linux - what installer software to use, getting stuff 
>> approved/certificated etc. and including a jargon-buster for the deployment 
>> end of things ("what’s device provisioning?" for example). 
>> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2016, at 23:50, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you all for y

Re: Ideas for LiveCode workshops - help needed

[Dave Kilroy]

Thank you all for your ideas and suggestions!

I’m summarising them as follows:
A drag and drop matching game. 
A to-do list app. 
A simple e-reader app. 
A walking tour app with a map that you can click for additional information and 
photos. 
An app that helps with web research (grab text and images, write notes & 
emails, filter and ordering).
A client-server user registration system. 
A bare bones personal cloud type thing with clients for every platform.
Go through all past conferences and look at the different track subject matter. 
Try to solicit other to be presenters.   
Focus on UI/UX - everything must look 2016 rather than 1995

I’ve also remembered a suggestion I once got from a teacher for a workshop 
topic "A humorous photo editor (draw moustaches etc on photos of your friends)"


MESSAGING APP

@rjd318 this is a link to a thread on the forum from a year ago covering the 
workshop where we did the messaging app (including an introductory video and 
download link to get the stack and .lc script) 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24465 
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24465>. Since then I ran 
another version of this workshop in a different environment and I added some 
more polish to the app - let me know if what I did was of interest and I’ll dig 
out the newer version for you. 

Got any more ideas? Keep ‘em coming!

Kind regards

Dave



> On 4 Aug 2016, at 09:54, Dave Kilroy  wrote:
> 
> This is a request for ideas for LiveCode workshops
> 
> That is, where one of us is organising a day-long workshop on LiveCode and 
> are looking for a main topic for the day.
> 
> I’m not looking for fully-worked up teaching resources (although that would 
> be nice), but general ideas or topics for the workshop - so that we can say 
> to people, and publicise “come to this LiveCode workshop where we will build 
> …” or “at this LiveCode workshop you will learn how to …”. 
> 
> In the past I’ve done LiveCode workshops where the main idea has been:
> - build a mobile messaging app (that connects to a web service and mysql 
> database)
> - build desktop widgets (little things like an app that watches a folder, 
> using the clipboard etc)
> - learn how to search documents and save notes with LiveCode
> 
> I think my ideal would be to get an idea which is:
> -  a ‘draw’ (afterall I want lots of people to turn up!), something like 
> “learn now to connect to the Pokemon Go! API”
> - doesn’t involve me doing too too much preparation work for the workshop
> - can give a positive experience to participants with differing levels of 
> ability (perhaps by my preparing some partly completed exercises for those 
> who need them) 
> 
> So, ideas and suggestions please!
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS: my next workshop is on 17th September and I haven’t decided what to go in 
> it 
> http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
>  
> <http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/>
> PPS: ask potential participants what the workshop topic should be usually 
> doesn’t help much!
> 
> 
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Ideas for LiveCode workshops - help needed

[Dave Kilroy]

This is a request for ideas for LiveCode workshops

That is, where one of us is organising a day-long workshop on LiveCode and are 
looking for a main topic for the day.

I’m not looking for fully-worked up teaching resources (although that would be 
nice), but general ideas or topics for the workshop - so that we can say to 
people, and publicise “come to this LiveCode workshop where we will build …” or 
“at this LiveCode workshop you will learn how to …”. 

In the past I’ve done LiveCode workshops where the main idea has been:
- build a mobile messaging app (that connects to a web service and mysql 
database)
- build desktop widgets (little things like an app that watches a folder, using 
the clipboard etc)
- learn how to search documents and save notes with LiveCode

I think my ideal would be to get an idea which is:
-  a ‘draw’ (afterall I want lots of people to turn up!), something like “learn 
now to connect to the Pokemon Go! API”
- doesn’t involve me doing too too much preparation work for the workshop
- can give a positive experience to participants with differing levels of 
ability (perhaps by my preparing some partly completed exercises for those who 
need them) 

So, ideas and suggestions please!

Kind regards

Dave

PS: my next workshop is on 17th September and I haven’t decided what to go in 
it 
http://www.meetup.com/The-THINQTANQ-Events-Meetups-and-More-in-Plymouth/events/226749341/
 

PPS: ask potential participants what the workshop topic should be usually 
doesn’t help much!



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Re: Get fillGradient props

[Dave Kilroy]

OK Monte how about naming convention for widgets?

I currently prepend widget names with “wj” - what do the rest of use





This is all great fuel for the scripting style panel at the conference. Also we 
have:

- strict compilation
- being even stricter by also declaring repeat loop iteration variables (I do 
this)
- declaring variables at the top of the handler or in the block they are used. 
Ali and I do the latter and Peter B thinks it's poor style because we don't 
have block scoped variables.
- anything else we can come up with

Cheers

Monte

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> On 9 Jul 2016, at 5:00 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> Richard Gaskin  writes:
> 
>> 
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> Since behavior scripts are only referenced in a "set the behavior"
>>> statement, I'm not sure where you'd use an initial flag.
>> 
>> Not in code, just in the object name.
> 
> I use the word "behavior" in the object name, as in
> 
> button "btnStorageFieldBehavior"
> or
> stack "PageObjectsBehavior"
> 
>> 
>>> But if I ever need one, I'd use "b"  for "behavior".
>> 
>> I could, but I'm still holding out hope that the original term LC first 
>> implemented this with, parentScript, will one day become the preferred 
>> token for that.
> 
> I think "parent" has the possibility of becoming confused with "owner"
> when thinking of the message path, so I like "behavior" a bit better.
> I'd probably prefer "shadow", as I think of behavior/parent scripts as
> private backscripts for objects.
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RE: [a bit OT] Apple Store

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The thing I’m currently most interested in is that the time Apple takes to 
review your product has fallen from more than a week to a day or less :)


> Yes... that article put a smile on my face when reading it over breakfast 
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Re: RevErrorDisplay Window 1 pixel wide

[Dave Kilroy]

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami it may well be that this is happening on lots of
our machines - but only someone as perceptive as yourself could see
something 1 pixel wide! :)




Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote
> I get this quite regularly in 8 or 8.1 dp 1
> 
> there may be an error in my script.. and the revErrorDisplay script opens,
> but it is 1 px wide and perhaps only 100 x tall… If I'm not careful I
> don't see it as it may blend in with my desktop background (stars)
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> I have no recipe
> 
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Re: Fwd: LC / WordPress / CGI challenge

[Dave Kilroy]

Richard, actually you might be better off with Alex's suggestion of a WP
plugin.

iFrames in WP with .lc content work fine, but from within an iFrame I don't
think there is a way for your Livecode Server script to access WP's data on
the user/session and thence know whether a user has rated a particular film
once, never or  100 times.

If you work within the WP ecosystem a plugin should be able to access
relevant hooks to limit users use of your film ratings (depending on your
requirements - are these guests or logged in WP users...)

In the past I worked with Simon Smith to create a 'code bridge' with a
WooCommerce (within WP) transaction - and this continues to function nicely
- but it is a lot of work and until Todd's library to access the WP API
you're most likely better off working from within WP...

Kind regards

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Re: Ho to pay pledge

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I got the email, got the link, paid successfully with credit card (at least
according to messages on the page), got a receipt email from livecode and
another one from stripe - but just checked my bank account and they haven't
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Re: create a library in LCB - is there also a step by step lesson

[Dave Kilroy]

Hi Mathias the answer is YES! There is a very fine lesson in the dictionary -
however it is best to use the dictionary from version LC 8.1.0(dp1) or later
as this version updates the sample code to current syntax.

To get the lesson:

1 - in LC 8.1.0(dp1) or later open the dictionary
2 - wait a few seconds without worrying as things load
3 - click the 'Guide' tab in the top-left
4 - wait a few seconds more without worrying as things load
5 - find the dropdown control close to the top-left and click it
6 - select "Extending LiveCode" from the list
7 - follow the instructions to create your version of 'the pink circle'
widget

If you're like me you'll need a fair bit of protected time to do this as you
read background documents, tinker with settings, try new functions etc - but
the example works nicely and opens up a whole new vista of LiveCode
opportunities!

Kind regards

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Re: Suspense

[Dave Kilroy]

Over at https://livecode.com/project/infinite-livecode/ I've left a comment
saying I’ll add another $250 to my pledge if I can find another person
who’ll also increase theirs by the same.

Reply to this post and/or contact me directly (but before 9 pm) and we’ll
make a pledging pact – anyone up for this?

Kind regards

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RE: Suspense

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Less than $10k to go ... 64 minutes and counting...

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Re: Livcode and AWS S3 (Windows)

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Hi Skip - I've also 'consumed' AWS services - but as the 'mobile guy' brought
in by the main contractor - they and I worked out a little API so that all
my iOS app I had to do were simple post and get using an xml structure to
get and receive what was required at each stage. Whilst developing this app
they were completely in charge of the web service - so if you are wanting to
get directory listings etc I think it will be something you'll have to ask
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Re: Problems with Xcode

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Hi Martin, I notice from your error message that LiveCode is trying to
connect to Xcode2.app, is that what you have called your copy of Xcode 6.2
or is that an older version of Xcode on your system?

Sometimes the path to Xcode does not get updated in LiveCode's 'mobile
support' preferences and that can produce errors similar to yours...

First thing to try is to remove references to Xcode completely in LiveCode's
preferences pane, exit and restart LiveCode and enter the path to the
correct version of Xcode - follow that with a test build

If that doesn't work and you are comfortable with terminal then open
terminal and type "xcode-select -p" (without the quote marks) - this should
give you the system-wide default path to Xcode assets - if it points to the
wrong version then you can reset it by entering "sudo xcode-select -switch
/path/to/this/xcode/version" (swapping out "/path/to/this/xcode/version"
with the path to the version of Xcode you want to use)

BTW I used the differentiate and store old versions of Xcode by renaming the
Xcode app file, but I've had no more trouble since I instead made version
numbered folders for them (within the Applications folder) so that each
version of the app is still called "Xcode.app"

Please note: the above terminal commands worked for me, and I got them from
a LiveCode staff member ages ago - but I know very little about terminal so
I offer those snippets with NO GUARANTEE WHATSOEVER which is why I suggest
only those who know what they are doing in terminal use them

Best of luck!

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Re: Trevor DeVore interviews CTO and CEO

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Roland I really liked your words!

The best skiing is when you are a bit scared - the best goals are the scary
goals

LiveCode workers I take my hat off to you all

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