Re: [OT] The Fall of the British Empire???

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Actually Lingua Franca was a pidgin developed by slavers and pirates to
communicate.

English is not a pidgin, as it is the end result of a creolisation between
Anglo-Saxon and Norman French.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, 16:45 Craig Newman via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> “... the bulk of Europe used French as the common language.”
>
> That is where the term “Lingua Franca” came from. Before that in Europe,
> which was the center of the universe, learned people used Latin. Just ask
> Newton or any cleric.
>
> English took over when the world got smaller. The US was the "bomb" in
> 1945, (can’t wait to see how that comes back) and ten years later consumed
> nearly a third of the planets energy. That plus Rock and Roll made English
> the only language that made sense.
>
> Still does.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 4:29 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >  the bulk of Europe used French as the common language.
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Re: [OT] The Fall of the British Empire???

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Oh, I have no illusions re Empires at the moment: there is one generally
good one (USA) , and 2 pretty bad ones: C and R.

I hope that the good one will finally pull the teeth of the bad ones, and
that will sufficiently weaken the good one that it will calm down a bit.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 23:40 Craig Newman via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Empires these days are strictly economic. In fact, it was always that way.
>
> Forget California, which has the 6th largest GDP in the world. Texas and
> New York combined would also come in at #6, and just beat GB.
>
> England was #1 until 1916, when guess who took over.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Nov 17, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The English think so. After all:  Wales, Scotland, N Ireland, do appear
> to
> > constitute an Empire if you look at them from isolationist, Brexitland.
> >
> > Ask Boris Johnson: if you stand behind him at waist height you'll recieve
> > an answer in suitably rumbling Churchillian terms.
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 19:21 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Excerpt from The Livecode Team newsletter:
> >>
> >> Several members of our team have been enjoying the Empire podcast
> recently
> >> with William Dalrymple and Anita Anand. This explores how empires rise,
> why
> >> they fall and how they have shaped the world around us today. The series
> >> covers THE RISE AND FALL OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE as well as the Ottoman
> >> Empire, with episodes around iconic events such as the fall of
> >> Constantinople and the Indian Mutiny among many others.
> >>
> >> When exactly did the British Empire fall?? I thought it was still a
> thing?
> >>
> >> Bob S
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Re: [OT] The Fall of the British Empire???

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

The English think so. After all:  Wales, Scotland, N Ireland, do appear to
constitute an Empire if you look at them from isolationist, Brexitland.

Ask Boris Johnson: if you stand behind him at waist height you'll recieve
an answer in suitably rumbling Churchillian terms.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023, 19:21 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Excerpt from The Livecode Team newsletter:
>
> Several members of our team have been enjoying the Empire podcast recently
> with William Dalrymple and Anita Anand. This explores how empires rise, why
> they fall and how they have shaped the world around us today. The series
> covers THE RISE AND FALL OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE as well as the Ottoman
> Empire, with episodes around iconic events such as the fall of
> Constantinople and the Indian Mutiny among many others.
>
> When exactly did the British Empire fall?? I thought it was still a thing?
>
> Bob S
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Re: Filter with wildcards

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I think that matchText is what you are looking for.

I have a proof stack which I shall upload to the forums, as obviously 
this is not possible here:


https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=38698

Best, Richmond Mathewson.

On 30.10.23 19:17, David Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

I am doing the above and struggling with an oddity that I can’t find guidance 
on on Livecode or wider wildcard stuff

A simple example is I am searching text messages for 'with you' or 'with u’

so I use the wildcard form

*with [you,u]*

That finds all examples of both just fine.  However, it also finds ‘with 
unlimited cheese’ and 'with us’, ‘with yours’ etc.  so I want a space after 
both u

When I put two spaces inside the square brackets after each string, the search 
still works but spaces seem to be ignored (so still finds the above resamples I 
don’t want).

If I put a single space after the brackets the first bracketed string is 
ignored and the filter only finds “with u “

Hope someone can help me stop pulling my baffled face

Cheers

David Glasgow


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Re: Filter with wildcards

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Oddly enough a matchChunk expression with "with you$" pulls out all the 
'with you' stuff and excludes this sort of thing: 'with youthful 
naivety' . . . which is marvellous


But a matchChunk expression with "with u$" catches nothing!

On 30.10.23 20:11, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Have not played with a method of keeping it all in one line. But can you filter 
twice, storing the first result and then running it again?

Craig


On Oct 30, 2023, at 1:17 PM, David Glasgow via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi folks,

I am doing the above and struggling with an oddity that I can’t find guidance 
on on Livecode or wider wildcard stuff

A simple example is I am searching text messages for 'with you' or 'with u’

so I use the wildcard form

*with [you,u]*

That finds all examples of both just fine.  However, it also finds ‘with 
unlimited cheese’ and 'with us’, ‘with yours’ etc.  so I want a space after 
both u

When I put two spaces inside the square brackets after each string, the search 
still works but spaces seem to be ignored (so still finds the above resamples I 
don’t want).

If I put a single space after the brackets the first bracketed string is 
ignored and the filter only finds “with u “

Hope someone can help me stop pulling my baffled face

Cheers

David Glasgow


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Re: Filter with wildcards

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

OK: well I had a bash with a set like this:

with unlimited cheese

with you

with u

with udders clagged with glaur

with youthful naivety

and your filter grabbed all of them. :(

I tried this:

with"with [you, u,]*"

and got the same.

On reading in the dictionary I found this:

filtertVar with"[az]*"-- tVar contains all property names beginning with 
a or z


and the problematic phrase is 'beginning with'.

On 30.10.23 19:17, David Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

I am doing the above and struggling with an oddity that I can’t find guidance 
on on Livecode or wider wildcard stuff

A simple example is I am searching text messages for 'with you' or 'with u’

so I use the wildcard form

*with [you,u]*

That finds all examples of both just fine.  However, it also finds ‘with 
unlimited cheese’ and 'with us’, ‘with yours’ etc.  so I want a space after 
both u

When I put two spaces inside the square brackets after each string, the search 
still works but spaces seem to be ignored (so still finds the above resamples I 
don’t want).

If I put a single space after the brackets the first bracketed string is 
ignored and the filter only finds “with u “

Hope someone can help me stop pulling my baffled face

Cheers

David Glasgow


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Re: drawingSvgCompileIcon(pIconName) always BLACK

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you very much.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.10.23 17:15, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

This code is MIT license, so freely usable.  It does rely on code from HQ, but 
should be usable on either the open source or commercial versions.

Brian Milby
br...@milby7.com


On Oct 25, 2023, at 4:36 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

I should be grateful if you could explain the licensing on your work.

Best, Richmond.


On 25.10.23 3:44, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
Well, it sure took me a while to get around to this.  I guess better late
than never though.  Not sure where the best place to put it, so I just
added it to my lc-misc repo on GitHub.  You can find the code here:
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/IconDrawingLibrary

Thanks,
Brian

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:20 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Brian,


Am 06.04.2022 um 21:18 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

I guess I need to make an update to this library :)

yo, that would be cool! :-)


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-06 18:16, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,
so sorry, looks like I completely f. up here.
Sorry for the confusion, not may day...
See:
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23665>

Hehe - no worries.

So in answer to your original query about wanting to be able to color

the icons - the drawing library supports the 'currentColor' attribute in
SVG - and this is tied to the 'backgroundColor' property of the image
object the drawing is set on.

It would only take a small tweak to Brian's extension to make this work

- adding `fill="currentColor"` to the path node it generates.

Brian's extension works by fetching the path data from the IconSVG

library, wrapping it in the necessary SVG XML, and then compiling it with
drawingSvgCompile.

Irksomely, there does not seem to be any support for marking colors in

SVGs as 'currentColor' in any SVG editor we've come across (unless its
deeply buried in it). So one strategy there is making sure the colors you
want to be configurable in the SVG are set to a known unlikely random color
(e.g. #ABCDEF), exporting as SVG XML from the editor and then just doing a
global find/replace of (e.g.) #ABCDEF with currentColor.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Best

Klaus

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Re: drawingSvgCompileIcon(pIconName) always BLACK

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I should be grateful if you could explain the licensing on your work.

Best, Richmond.

On 25.10.23 3:44, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

Well, it sure took me a while to get around to this.  I guess better late
than never though.  Not sure where the best place to put it, so I just
added it to my lc-misc repo on GitHub.  You can find the code here:
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/IconDrawingLibrary

Thanks,
Brian

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:20 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Brian,


Am 06.04.2022 um 21:18 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

I guess I need to make an update to this library :)

yo, that would be cool! :-)


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 2022-04-06 18:16, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,
so sorry, looks like I completely f. up here.
Sorry for the confusion, not may day...
See:


Hehe - no worries.

So in answer to your original query about wanting to be able to color

the icons - the drawing library supports the 'currentColor' attribute in
SVG - and this is tied to the 'backgroundColor' property of the image
object the drawing is set on.

It would only take a small tweak to Brian's extension to make this work

- adding `fill="currentColor"` to the path node it generates.

Brian's extension works by fetching the path data from the IconSVG

library, wrapping it in the necessary SVG XML, and then compiling it with
drawingSvgCompile.

Irksomely, there does not seem to be any support for marking colors in

SVGs as 'currentColor' in any SVG editor we've come across (unless its
deeply buried in it). So one strategy there is making sure the colors you
want to be configurable in the SVG are set to a known unlikely random color
(e.g. #ABCDEF), exporting as SVG XML from the editor and then just doing a
global find/replace of (e.g.) #ABCDEF with currentColor.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Best

Klaus

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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I have successfully run a build of my 'Devawriter Pro' built with LC 9.6.3
Open Source on an early beta of MacOS 14.

My DWPro builds contain NONE of the inclusions.

Your mileage may vary.

Best, Richmond.

On Fri, 29 Sept 2023, 15:13 Geoff Canyon via use-livecode, <
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> Confirming that 9.6.9 dies immediately on launch for me.
>
> I have a standalone I built with one of the 9.6.x builds, and that doesn't
> die (at least not immediately).
>
> gc
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:23 AM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
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>
> > I've not tested personally, but I have been told that STANDALONEs build
> > on 9.6.9 work on Sonoma.
> >
> > Can any one running Sonoma test confirm this? (Perhaps again?)
> >
> >
> > On 9/28/2023 10:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give
> me
> > the “LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma
> v14.0
> > on my Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.
> > >
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> > >
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Re: All Versions of LC crashing in Sonoma

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Not as far as I can tell: currently upgrading to the 14.1 beta release, 
and if that fails I have to spend "a dirty weekend" 'degrading' to MacOS 
13 Ventura and then, on the basis of my Time Machine backup, 'putting 
all the pieces together again'.



Best [or, in the light of Apple's non-backwardly-compatible thing': 
Worst], Richmond.


On 29.09.23 5:51, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:

Ok, I guess I’ve been out to Lunch. A review of the list revealed that V9.6.10 
works. Downloaded it and indeed it does work. Is that the whole story? Will the 
older Community versions not work in Sonoma forevermore?

Roger



On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hope to find help here. LC Versions 9.6.3, 9.6.9, and 10.0.0 all give me the 
“LiveCode quit unexpectedly" on launch after upgrading to Sonoma v14.0 on my 
Mac, And no, Reopen does not work either. Please help.

Thanks,

Roger


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Re: Alternate key commands in LC ????

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

As  I use computers running Linux and MacOS, my Macs are set up so the
roles of the CMD and CTRL keys are reversed.

It will be interesting to see if it affects these alternate key commands
with the IDE.

On Tue, 19 Sept 2023, 23:42 Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode, <
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> Reading this article about the MacOS copy and paste:
> https://tidbits.com/2016/06/11/os-x-hidden-treasures-copy-and-paste/
>
> It mentions the (secret) OS X alternate clipboard — kill and yank — that
> uses control-K to kill (cut) and control-Y to yank (paste) in some MacOS
> apps. Comes from the Emacs text editor (that was a lng time ago).
>
> I tried it in an LC field and discovered some unknowns-to-me:
>
> Control-K does kill (cut) selected text
> Control-Y does not seem to do anything—does not yank (paste)
>   (I haven’t yet figured out how to yank-paste killed-cut text)
> Control-K without a selection but the cursor placed within a line of text
> kills (cuts) all the text after the cursor/insertion point
>
> Put the cursor somewhere within a line/paragraph of text and Control-A
> moves the cursor to the beginning of the paragraph
> Control-E moves the cursor to the end of the paragraph
> Control-F moves the cursor one character to the right
>
> Control-O does a weird thing of adding a carriage return after the cursor
> and simultaneously moves the cursor to the left one character, so you can
> easily end up with something like:
>
> c
> h
> a
> r
> a
> c
> t
> e
> r
>
> Maybe there’s more? Windows?
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
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Re: Pasting text and images together?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

As far as I know image data cannot be pasted into LC.

I just tried pasting a banal image of a cat from an Ecosia search into a 
stack directly, and into an image, to no avail.


Best, Richmond.

On 30.08.23 19:35, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:

 From a web browser, or from programs like Word or (Apple) Notes, it is 
possible to copy to the clipboard a single selection that includes both text 
and images.
Is there any way to paste all of this information to LiveCode—for example, 
placing the text in fields and the imageData in image objects, or showing 
everything in one field by setting the imageSource of some characters in that 
field?
After having copied such a collection of text and image information, the keys 
to the fullClipboardData seem only to include text and styled text options, 
with no indication of the images that are included on the clipboard.

David Epstein
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Re: Merging PDF pages

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Humph . . . importing documents at images and then knitting them 
together . . . be aware that you will lose one the most valuable things 
about a PDF document: the embedded text layer.


Richmond.

On 25.08.23 16:39, Craig Newman via use-livecode wrote:

Hmmm.

Rereading, did you want to be able to collect existing pdf documents, read 
them, and then output a single new PDF?   If so, I guess you can import those 
documents as images on successive cards, and do what I posted earlier.

Seems clunky, but then you are asking LC to do something clunky.

Craig


On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi.

Sure. Try this in a button on card 1 of a new stack with, say, three cards:

on mouseUp

get the desktop folder

open printing to pdf it & "/" & “yourNamehere" & ".pdf"

repeat with x = 1 to 3

print card x

end repeat

close printing

end mouseUp



And I wonder if the new pdf widget has that built in.



Craig



On Aug 25, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Eller, Roger via use-livecode 
 wrote:

It's been a while since I've posted a question here.  Is it possible to use 
livecode script to merge multiple 1-page PDFs into a multipage PDF without 
using Acrobat or other 3rd party software?

Thanks.

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Re: How to search this list

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, I am a keysDown 'fan', so why not just explain what your problem 
is . . .


Richmond Mathewson

On 19.08.23 21:32, FRED MOYER via use-livecode wrote:

It’s been a long time since I’ve used this list. I’m puzzled -- it says I can 
search the archives for this list at
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com 


If I search for something that I know is there (like “CharIndex” which was in 
some recent posts) it doesn’t find anything.

In particular, I’m looking for information about keysdown — again no hits in 
that google search site.

Thanks for your help.

Fred Moyer





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Re: JSON

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

This has recently been explored across on the forums where I managed to
expose my full level of ignorance on the subject.

Best, Richmond.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 07:59 Tore Nilsen via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> JsonImport will make an array of your JSON data, whereas JsonExport will
> turn your array into JSON data. Not much fiddling there.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 15. aug. 2023 kl. 02:07 skrev Dar Scott via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >
> > I’m about write some scripts that fiddle with JSON. I have some old
> stacks of mine about someplace. But, I got to thinking there might be
> something faster about someplace. Ideas?
> >
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Re: Writing to Mac Support folder

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

When I download an app onto my Mac Mini, on opening it for the first time
it often asks me for permission to access the desktop/document/whatever
folder.

I assume that code to make an app ask for permissions to be granted has to
be entered somewhere ['preOpenStack' ???] by the developer.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023, 09:34 matthias rebbe via use-livecode, <
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> This is what Apple says:
>
> "If you distribute your macOS app through the App Store, you must enable
> App Sandbox. If you notarize your macOS app to distribute it outside of the
> App Store, you must enable hardened runtime and, optionally, can also
> enable App Sandbox."
> https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/devf87a2ac8f
>
>
> What os does the user run who has the problems to run the app? Did he
> allow to run programs from outside the App Store?
>
> If you don't mind, you can send me your app and i will try it here.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
> > Am 29.06.2023 um 22:50 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Short version: how do I bypass Gatekeeper to write a prefs file?
> >
> > I need to save a file in ~/Library/Application Support/myAppFolder/. Am
> I correct that I need to sandbox the app before I can write a file there?
> >
> > I read an LC lesson that said no special entitlements are required to
> create an app folder and a file. I can't test it myself because I already
> have full access.
> >
> > If this is correct so far, then do I just need to provide the sandbox
> entitlement and nothing else?
> >
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Re: Am I using the best mail client?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

We could transform this thread into a quite a spat as to the advantages of
the Use-List versus the Forums, but as Thee, Thee, Thee and Me are all so
fixed in our views it would only end in verbal bloodshed it best be let
alone: Thee with They words, and Me with My pictures! Let us attempt (at
the very least) some semblance of civilised discourse by leaving the topic
untouched and, with a nod of the head, a wink, and a smile  agreeing to
disagree.

Better be like that (however Thou feelest about the Subjunctive - and the
use of quasi-Germanic capitalisation) and listen, read, and learn from each
other than come to blows over something that will tarnish our shades when,
in time to come, we are mouldering in our sepulchres.

And, as to email clients, as my Granny said (or should have if my memory is
creative), "Taste is all in the mouth."

And, remember, only a Scotsman can produce English like that, or certainly
since the death of Samuel Johnson.

Yours, aye, Richmond Mathewson.

On Thu, 11 May 2023, 21:52 Craig Newman via use-livecode, <
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> Thank you all.
>
> I will stick with the Mac client.
>
> The reason I like the forums better is what I see as a far more helpful
> UI. We all know how it works.
>
> Enough said of this.
>
> Craig
>
> > On May 11, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I use Betterbird, an improved split off from Thunderbird.
> >
> > On Thu, 11 May 2023, 20:37 Phil Davis via use-livecode, <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thunderbird for me as well, for all the reasons Jacque stated.
> >>
> >> Phil Davis
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/11/23 10:27 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> I use Thunderbird. Like Matthias, I set up a rule to move list mail
> >>> into a subfolder where I can sort by date, author,, subject, or any
> >>> other attribute. It supportsl threading. There are several layouts you
> >>> can use depending on how you like to organize and view mail. You can
> >>> color-code emails automatically on arrival, or manually if you want to
> >>> mark one for special reasons. You can drag-drop mail from one folder
> >>> to another even across accounts.
> >>>
> >>> There are a lot of options so you can customize it however you want.
> >>>
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> >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>> On May 11, 2023 11:33:31 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Since I got real help here, and not on the forum(hmph), I am
> >>>> wondering if the eMail client I am using is one reason I do not
> >>>> prefer this venue.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am using the native Mac “Mail’ client. Are there much better ones?
> >>>>
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Re: Am I using the best mail client?

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I use Betterbird, an improved split off from Thunderbird.

On Thu, 11 May 2023, 20:37 Phil Davis via use-livecode, <
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> Thunderbird for me as well, for all the reasons Jacque stated.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> On 5/11/23 10:27 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > I use Thunderbird. Like Matthias, I set up a rule to move list mail
> > into a subfolder where I can sort by date, author,, subject, or any
> > other attribute. It supportsl threading. There are several layouts you
> > can use depending on how you like to organize and view mail. You can
> > color-code emails automatically on arrival, or manually if you want to
> > mark one for special reasons. You can drag-drop mail from one folder
> > to another even across accounts.
> >
> > There are a lot of options so you can customize it however you want.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > On May 11, 2023 11:33:31 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Since I got real help here, and not on the forum(hmph), I am
> >> wondering if the eMail client I am using is one reason I do not
> >> prefer this venue.
> >>
> >> I am using the native Mac “Mail’ client. Are there much better ones?
> >>
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Being all Christmassy, will prob have a bash with your latest build on the
27th.

Best, Richmond.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022, 13:24 Simon Knight via use-livecode, <
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> Hi Matthias,
>
> Thank you for your offer.
>
> I've conducted some more testing and it seems that the issue I am seeing
> may not be isolated to just Ventura.  Unfortunately not having a copy makes
> it difficult to report on what is occuring, so I will just describe what I
> see in Livecode 9.6.8 running on Big Sur.
>
> Before starting I remove Livecode from both Contacts and Calendar in the
> Privacy Pane using two calls to tccutils.  With the library file installed
> and my stack file open in livecode I make the request for Calendar data.
> The system should present two dialog boxes requesting permission to access
> first Contacts then Calendar.  When run in the IDE only one gets presented
> followed by a second stating that access to Calendar data is denied.  This
> should mean that Livecode is listed in the Privacy Pane but it is not.
> This issue may be slightly different to what was being reported to me about
> Ventura.
>
> I have raised a rambling bug report
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054> and all the files are
> attached to this report.  For tests in the IDE I suggest the version of the
> stack dated 24th dec 2022 and version 1.1.54 of the library.  The built
> versions use a slightly earlier version of the stack file but the
> differences are minor.
>
> Link to the form thread :
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540 <
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540>  beware that the
> URLs to Dropbox do work but Dropbox mangles the zips.  It is better to get
> the files via the bug report.
>
> Simon
>
>
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Re: Lock screen and animated gif

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Try 'without messages'.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, 13:26 jbv via use-livecode, <
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> Hi list,
> I have a script that modifies line by line the color
> and textstyle of some words in a field that can be up
> to 500 lines long.
> I am using "lock screen" to speed up things.
> But at the same time I have a spinning animated gif
> to tell end users to wait until the modification is
> done.
> The problem is that "lock screen" freezes everything
> and the gif stops spinning.
> Is there a workaround for using "lock screen" and an
> animated gif simultaneously ?
>
> Thank you in advance.
> jbv
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Re: [OT] Upgrade to Monterey from Big Sur

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

You will have your own reasons for wanting to move to Big Sur and not up to
MacOS 13.

But, from my own experience after Catalina my experience with MacOS was
distinctly off-colour unti I hit MacOS 13, which, once you overlook the way
they mucked up the System Settings thing, does feel a whole lot more robust
that the beta-quality stuff Apple lobbed ourway after Catalina.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022, 21:09 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode, <
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> Is it possible for me to upgrade my M1 Mac mini Big Sur to Monterey? I did
> some searches but I can't find anything. Software update only lists Ventura
> as an upgrade option.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I have been using 9.6.3 and 8.1.10 through all the beta versions of Mac OS
13, and there was a minor blip 3 betas back, and I sent a report about it
to Apple.

Since then, as far as I can tell, both of those versions work like a charm.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, 21:03 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
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> I just opened LC 10 on Ventura with no problem
>
> Cheers
> Roger
>
> > On Oct 25, 2022, at 10:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the topic says it all
> >
> > Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> > Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Matthias
> >
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Re: alumin(i)um

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, in Scots it's "alumeenium", which just sounds like a Scot suffered
from bad spelling.

On Tue, 6 Sept 2022, 23:54 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Excerpt from WordOrigins.org:
>
> In 1808, British chemist Humphry Davy postulated the existence of a
> metallic form of alumina ore, which he dubbed alumium.
>
> Davy later changed the name to aluminum. He writes in his 1812 Elements of
> Chemical Philosophy: "As yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly
> free state."
>
> Yet that same year, other British chemists settled on the name aluminium,
> the ending of which they thought was more consistent with the other
> elements.
>
> So the theoretical substance was dubbed Aluminum first, but other
> scientists decided to call it Aluminium, even though no one knew if it
> existed or could exist yet.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
> > On Sep 6, 2022, at 13:38 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 9/6/22 13:19, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> or the way they spell "favourites", or pronounce "Aluminum". Do you see
> an
> >> extra "i" in there? No? It's invisible, that's why.
> >
> > Yeah. About that.
> > The "aluminium" version actually preceded "aluminum" by several years,
> so if anything the U.S. version is actually the weird one. There are very
> few other elements that veer from the standard "ium" suffix into just "um":
> molybdenum, lanthanum,, tantalum, platinum, and all of those are transition
> metals.
> >
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
> >
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Re: Standardize Font Appearance

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

For what it's worth, ever since my Master's thesis with LiveCode/RunRev, I
have always set up buttons with fonts the way I want them on whatever
platform, imported snapshots of those buttons, and used those images as
buttons.

No stress, No mess!

On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 18:00 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
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> I read a blog some years back why it is so difficult to get nything on
> Windows to look like it does on the Mac. It is true that Windows renders
> fonts differently that Mac, so "exactly the same" remains the realm of the
> imagined. But you can get close. My big issue was that using Arial, labels
> that were right aligned and auto fitted on the Mac would overflow the left
> f the label on Windows.
>
> Now I am using Aclonica for form headers, Acme for labels and Actor for
> fields, buttons and grids. (Didn't have to look far did I?) I'm pretty
> happy now with the rendering of each on both platforms.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 23:18 , Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> Standardising fonts, so that one would no longer have to check that every
> label and field carefully crafted on the Mac to fit text precisely would
> not have missing pixels or whole words wrapped out of sight on Windows
> because of different font metrics, sounds like a great idea. But the
> reality of the way systems render fonts seems to complicate things:
>
> I set up a test standalone with the Google fonts NotoSans-regular.ttf and
> NotoSerif-regular.ttf installed. A label and and single line text field
> were set up to be exactly the right size to fit some text using Arial font
> on a Mac (Monterey). Then the labels and field were set to use NotoSans or
> NotoSerif fonts.
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Re: Why is Livecode not on this list?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Personally, My 'take' on LiveCode is that, generally, it is ideal for
boutique programming, for specific free-standing applications.

It is also excellent for teaching children programming concepts in a
relatively digestable way without dumbing programming down in the way
block-coding efforts such as Scratch do.

As such, there will always be very few advertisements for LiveCode
programmers.

That should not, in any way, devalue LiveCode.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 21:56 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
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> Gregg wrote:
>
>  > https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2022
>
> Demand.
>
> Their methodology note explains it's based on job listings. When was the
> last time you saw a job posting for LC skills?
>
> It's also a short list (50?).
>
> This one ranks by usage, listing the hundred most popular, where LC has
> only been in the top 50 a few times over the years I've been tracking
> it, but is often in the bottom 50 (out of hundreds of languages not so
> bad):
>
> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>
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Re: lcb missing manual

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It would be good were there full documentation for LCB, and, preferably
with some sort of thematic search so, unlike the LiveCode dictionary one
did not have to flounder around so much working out what to search for.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022, 18:00 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> things for lcb that are supposedly documented, but i can't find:
> * editor types (e.g. com.livecode.pi.number)
> * other metadata definitions for properties, widgets, etc.)
>
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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well there go my plans for early adoption.

I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
unfinished.

I could say the same about LiveCode versions.

Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
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> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>
> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>
> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
> regular.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> > > With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
> >
> > Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
> with the skills still there.
> >
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Re: M1 Macs and LC 9.6.8 RCs and 10.0.0 RCs

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Indeed, but 'both' results in an app package containing 2 'slices', rather
than 2 distinct apps.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, 21:56 Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Richmond wrote:
>
> > In the standalone builder you have always separated
> > Linux 32-bit and 64-bit builds, and the same with
> > Windows: could you alter the MacOS standalones so we
> > end up with one INTEL 64-bit standalone, and one ARM
> > standalone, rather than a awkward sandwich?
>
> In the current (see subject) versions the standalone
> builder for Mac lets you build:
>
> either Intel or Arm or both
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
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Re: Referencing Livecode

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As I, or anyone else could write on Wikipedia about Hamlet being
Shakespeare's coded love notes to a camel he met in Oxford, I really wonder
why anyone, 'academic' or not, would stick their neck under that
guillotine's fairly jittery blade escapes me completely.

I often look up things on Wikipedia, THEN check them elsewhere.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022, 19:49 J. Landman Gay via use-livecode, <
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> The same rules apply to US schools. It may be similar to doing a critique
> of Hamlet after reading only the Cliff Notes summary. No actual research
> or
> thought required.
>
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> On June 17, 2022 11:11:14 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > I wonder why that is? While you may find inaccurate information on
> > Wikipedia, the vastly overwhelming information there is absolutely
> > accurate. But isn't that true of EVERY source? In my life experience I
> have
> > found that settled science is very unsettled indeed. Salt causes high
> blood
> > pressure. Sugar causes diabetes. Red meat causes cancer. Milk is bad.
> Eggs
> > are bad. Coffee is bad. Mercury is a molten ball. Life needs sunlight to
> > live. A nuclear blast will render an area unlivable for 10,000 years. I
> > could go on and on.
> >
> > Mankind is constantly revising "settled" science, and well we should,
> but
> > what I object to is being told that what academia is now telling us is
> the
> > new absolute, and I am expected to just accept that.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 17, 2022, at 01:57 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> From what I know (my wife is a senior academic at a university)
> references
> >> to Wikipedia pages are academic suicide, fail, go straight to jail, do
> not
> >> pass GO, do not collect 200 smackers, and you get the picture.
> >
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Re: Referencing Livecode

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

From what I know (my wife is a senior academic at a university) references
to Wikipedia pages are academic suicide, fail, go straight to jail, do not
pass GO, do not collect 200 smackers, and you get the picture.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022, 11:47 David V Glasgow via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 16 Jun 2022, at 9:08 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a reason not to use the LC site URL, either alone or in
> addition to the Wikipedia one?
>
> The https://livecode.com landing page is rather sparse, and focussed on
> drawing customers in rather than conveying anything about text processing,
> or obvious links to information on text processing.  No criticism of that
> at all.  It’s a commercial site.
>
> Wiki page has the disadvantage of a banner warning about link rot, but the
> advantage of lots of information presented in a more academic and neutral
> style.
>
>
> >
> > Re: the errors, they look like examples of functions that would return
> "false" but I haven't seen them in context.
> > --
>
> They do, don’t they.  From memory, that wasn’t the context though.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [[ ANN ]] Release 10.0.0 DP-4

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, obviously not.

I hope LC will release a public beta shortly.

Listen to feedback.

Allow the new IDE not to be 'the' IDE, but one of 2 possible choices.

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, 00:12 Mike Kerner via use-livecode, <
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> Then my bad, I presumed that the DP4 release was the DP4 release.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:36 AM Heather Laine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I think you are probably referring to the special prototype dp-4 with the
> > single window IDE in testing. This is not as yet "in the wild". This has
> > only so far been made available to the attendees for LCG 22/23 Feature
> > Focus sessions.
> >
> > In case anyone is confused.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > Heather Laine
> > Customer Services Manager
> > LiveCode Ltd
> > www.livecode.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:20, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Since this is now in the wild, and has a very different layout, y'all
> > > should probably have a look at it and comment on it, before it gets too
> > far
> > > down the road. LC has stated that this is the future.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:31 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear list members,
> > >>
> > >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 10.0.0 DP-4.
> > >>
> > >> You can find more details on the new features and the bug fixes of
> this
> > new
> > >> release here:
> > >>
> > >> https://livecode.com/m1-native-latest-livecode-releases/
> > >>
> > >> You can find the release in your LiveCode account area or get it via
> the
> > >> automatic updater.
> > >>
> > >> Enjoy!
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards
> > >> The LiveCode Team
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Re: Formatting code in word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

A better bet is LibreOffice as cheap jacks like me can see no obvious
reason for paying for something when a functional equivalent exists for
free.

On Wed, 25 May 2022, 20:53 Hakan--- via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, you need to use something to create the PDF first of course. And here
> Word might be a good candidate. Especially if you are to write a lot of
> explaining text and then paste some code.
> I think I still would go for an automated setup and write the explanations
> in the code. Then you could automate the full process (in Livecode of
> course :) But it all depends on the purpose of course.
>
> If you are looking for a tool to convert between a lot of different
> formats I suggest you take a look at pandoc. A command line Swiss army tool
> for document conversion.
>
> Good Luck!
> :-Håkan
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> > 24 maj 2022 kl. 22:37 skrev Mark Smith :
> >
> > Thanks, I wasn’t aware that could be applied to just a specific format…
> I had always thought of it as document wide. Mind you, I don’t take
> advantage of 90% of the features in Word either. PDF sounds like a good
> option for distribution but don’t you still need to create the file in
> something else? I’ve only ever converted documents to/from PDF.
> >
> >> On 24 May 2022, at 3:57 pm, Håkan Liljegren 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably not what you want to hear, but I never distribute documents in
> Word as I then have no control on the formatting. The receiver might not
> have the same font installed and then the text might reflow and all kinds
> of bad things might happen! :)
> >>
> >> I always use PDF for distrution. BUT, if you still want to use Word you
> can create a specific format for the code blocks and then select the
> language for that format and check the “Do not check spelling or grammar”
> for that format. You can also select the newly pasted text and then do the
> same procedure (Select language and check the do not check checkbox).
> >>
> >> :-Håkan
> >>
> >>> On 24 May 2022, at 13:00, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello list,
> >>>
> >>> Do you use anything to make code look more readable when inserted into
> a Word document? I ask because all those squiggly red underlines
> (spellcheck marks) makes it pretty unattractive, although they can be
> turned off. However, when distributing a document to others they may not
> know how to turn that off. Just wondering if you’ve found a better way for
> distributing code in word docs.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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Re: Is it a bug?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Seem sensible, after all end-users should be able ti change their minds.

On Mon, 23 May 2022, 21:23 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I found one thing I think is a bug, and I'd like to report it, but I want
> to see if anyone else thinks this may be the expected behavior:
>
> It seems to me that when clicking and holding the mouse button down on an
> pulldown menu, then releasing outside that menu so that no menu item is
> actually selected, the parameter passed to menuPick ought to be empty, if
> menuPick even should get sent in the first place. What it actually does is
> it passes the first menu item, even though that item was not specifically
> chosen.
>
> If you click AND release while still IN the pulldown menu so that the menu
> remains expanded, THEN click off the menu, MenuPick never even gets sent to
> the pulldown menu, which is what one would expect.
>
> This is on MacOS 10.15.7 Catalina running 9.6.7 Pro.
>
> What say you?
>
> Bob S
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Re: Curved text possible?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

If that is over your head, use my method, which you can find over on the
forums.

All 'pure' LiveCode.

Best, Richmond.

On Wed, 18 May 2022, 18:26 William de Smet via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> Incredible to see what HH did.
> That is way over my head.
> And so is LCB.
>
>
>
>
> groeten,
>
> William
>
>
>
>
> Op wo 18 mei 2022 om 14:16 schreef Sean Cole via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>
> > Actually, HH had put up this on his site and kept open for us kindly.
> > https://hh.on-rev.com/widgets/svgtext.html
> >
> > At the bottom he describes that it is possible to use SVG to define paths
> > for the text. How good are you at LCB in being able to manipulate what he
> > had achieved here?
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 12:57, William de Smet via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > @Sean: Yes, a widget would be the best thing of course.
> > > Much appreciated!
> > >
> > > groeten,
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Op wo 18 mei 2022 om 11:41 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > > There is a better way to do this using LCB. If you don’t mind
> waiting I
> > > > can pull something up. I’m out of office at the moment so can’t get
> to
> > my
> > > > files.
> > > >
> > > > Sean Cole
> > > > Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> > > >
> > > > eMail Ts & Cs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 18 May 2022, at 09:40, William de Smet via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi there,
> > > > >
> > > > > I posted a curved text example (with use of the browser widget) on
> > the
> > > > > forum:
> > > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120=37027
> > > > >
> > > > > It works ok but still not satisfied with transparency.
> > > > > Maybe someone has a better idea on how to do that?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > groeten,
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Op do 28 apr. 2022 om 17:42 schreef William de Smet <
> > > > williamdes...@gmail.com
> > > > >> :
> > > > >
> > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I came up with sort of the same idea yesterday evening and I am
> > > > >> tetsting it now.
> > > > >> I load a local html file within the browser widget with
> > circletype.js
> > > > >> added to the html file.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A native textfield (and some extra code) writes back into the html
> > > file
> > > > >> and then I refresh the card.
> > > > >> A snapshot gives me the curved text.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There is also Arctext,js that I want to test.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will come back later with my result.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> groeten,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> William
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Op do 28 apr. 2022 om 17:24 schreef Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
> <
> > > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> +1
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Ralph DiMola
> > > > >>> IT Director
> > > > >>> Evergreen Information Services
> > > > >>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -Original Message-
> > > > >>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com
> ]
> > On
> > > > >>> Behalf
> > > > >>> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:18 AM
> > > > >>> To: How to use LiveCode
> > > > >>> Cc: Bob Sneidar
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: Curved text possible?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Great ideas Martin. I'm going to grant you an honorary doctorate
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > >>> institute of Sly Laboratories.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Bob S
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >  On Apr 28, 2022, at 08:10 , Martin Koob via use-livecode
> > > > >>>  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  I was thinking that SVG might work as someone else has said.
> > > > 
> > > >  At first I thought you could create individual files for each
> > letter
> > > > and
> > > > >>> number and put the path for a letter into a svg widget which you
> > > could
> > > > >>> rotate or scale.
> > > >  you would then have to calculate the angle of rotation and
> > location
> > > of
> > > > >>> each svg widget on a path.   But then when I tried rotating the
> svg
> > > > widget
> > > > >>> its scale would change as it rotated because the bounds of the
> rect
> > > > were
> > > > >>> changing. Then you would have to calculate the scale depending on
> > the
> > > > >>> rotation angle and that seemed a bit much.
> > > > 
> > > >  I also thought you could import the svg file as an image and
> > perhaps
> > > > >>> that
> > > > >>> would not have the odd behaviour when rotating.  I did not try
> that
> > > > >>> though.
> > > > 
> > > >  Then I found this.
> > > > 
> > > >  https://css-tricks.com/snippets/svg/curved-text-along-path/
> > > > >>> 
> > > > 
> > > >  it shows how to use css to 

Re: Localizing e.g. "Answer dialog" featuzre reques = hibernated?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"Ah cud spak , an, aiblins it micht be mensefu, anent ither leids, but Ah
  jalouse that fowk widnae thole war jalouse qhat Ah wis ettlin an speiran
  eftir."

Your responses proves my point:

'I could talk about other languages, and, maybe it might make sense, but I
suspect people
would not agree or understand exactly what I was on about or aiming after.'

And as the Scots who do use LiveCode are all perfectly functional in
English . . .

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:04 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Fantastic :D
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On 12 Apr 2022, at 19:24, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > he wrote:
> > Cannot say anything to this issue, but must confuse the list or I will
> > lose my good reputation otherwise.
> >
> > :-D :-D :-D
> >
> >>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:00 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah cud spak , an, aiblins it micht be mensefu, anent ither leids, but
> Ah
> >>>> jalouse that fowk widnae thole war jalouse qhat Ah wis ettlin an
> speiran
> >>>> eftir.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >
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Re: Localizing e.g. "Answer dialog" featuzre reques = hibernated?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Ah cud spak , an, aiblins it micht be mensefu, anent ither leids, but Ah
jalouse that fowk widnae thole war jalouse qhat Ah wis ettlin an speiran
eftir.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, 20:52 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> some time ago I "feature requested" a possibility to localize e.g. the
> "Answer Dialog":
> 
>
> Example:
> Cancel = english, which is always displayed currently
> Annuler = french
> Abbrechen = german
> All these are much longer words, so just setting the label of that button
> will not suffice.
> Bernd Niggeman provided a nifty solution for this inconvenience.
>
> But why on earth has this been "Hibernated"?
>
> Don't we all think that we should be able to localize all aspectcs of LC?
> Not the whole world is speaking english, ladies and gentlemen!
>
> Maybe you want to add a comment, thank you!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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Re: Hey Lurkers: Anyone still using LC 6.7? (Regulars too)

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Aha. Thick types like me need things to be made explicit.

Richmond.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022, 20:51 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I believe he means that utilities he creates will still function when used
> with 6.7, but wouldn't if he employs new features or syntax only supported
> in v9.x and up. Eventually he would consider ONLY supporting 9.x and up,
> and wants to get an idea of how many people would still need 6.7 support.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 2022, at 10:33 , Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean when you write "I'm still supporting LC 6.7"?
> >
> > On 10.03.22 20:25, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
> >>
> >> To plan addon development for the next few years,
> >> I would like to know if some people still need LC 6.7.
> >>
> >> If you're a Lurker, that's OK! If shy: offlist is fine.
> >> (Regulars welcome too, of course.)
> >>
> >> Currently I'm still supporting LC 6.7 too, but as LC 9
> >> matures on bugs/stability and performance, hopefully
> >> there will come a time when I can make this decision.
> >>
> >> Supporting LC 6.7 and 9/10 is fine, in fact it's fun,
> >> but moving past 6.7 eventually would have some perks.
> >> So the question is how long people will still need it.
> >>
> >> Your input will help guide my plan! Thanks.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Curry Kenworthy
>
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Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I, also have no objection to copyright laws: indeed, they are there to
protect us from people pinching our work.

The things I object to are as follows:

1. The concept behind copyright is to make sure the copyright holder
profits from their work.

1.1. If the copyright holder is not making further efforts to profit from
their work (by either further attempts at marketing and/or
repackaging their work), should the possibility not be there for someone
else to either:

1.1.1. Offer a profit-sharing arrangement to the copyright holder for some
sort of repackaging of their work.

1.1.2. Offer a not-for-profit version of repackaged work.

2. The length of time that copyright lasts for is far, far too long for
software as the rate of computer system development
and change makes that software unusable remarkably quickly.

I am well aware that copyright is very complicated and my answer to the
original question was based on 3 ideas:

1. My #1.1.2. above.

2. That mimicking the functionality of software is not, in itself, a
serious sin (c.f. Open Source Office suites that mimic
the functionality of Microsoft Office).

3. ReactOS

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 5:28 PM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> As the one who started this thread, I just wanted to say I agree
> wholeheartedly with Richard in his attitude to copyright works. My own
> problem arose (long ago) when in Richard’s words, I tried to reach the
> creator (strictly speaking the copyright owner, as the work includes
> copyright material from different sources, collected and licensed by the
> publisher of the CD-ROM which I wanted to revive for new media). I  made
> the mistake of mentioning copyright in my first attempt to communicate, and
> got a boilerplate reply which didn’t cover my case. I made quite big
> efforts to find an individual to correspond with, but failed. So, if I do
> the job now, it will be as a hobbyist and it will come under the “private
> study” rules, I suppose.
>
> As an aside (OK, pretty OT), the history of copyright protection is quite
> fascinating. At one time, the USA was a major defaulter (see for example
> https://www.alcs.co.uk/news/charles-dickens-copyright-pioneer)
>
> Another area of interest, which if it weren’t so OT, I’d like to hear
> Richard’s views on, is the ongoing battle between the VPN-using community
> and the increasing number of streaming services. I guess most people here
> know what I’m talking about.
>
> Graham
>
> > On 24 Jan 2022, at 01:24, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the mention, Jeff. Without your adding that here I would
> have missed Richmond's reference; he's among a small number of members I
> generally don't read anymore (so much to learn, so little signal in a noisy
> world...)
> >
> > FWIW I agree with what you wrote, and felt it was important enough to
> quote it in whole below. Thank you for taking the time to write that.
> >
> >
> > Richmond's original comment about me was:
> > > Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating
> > > irons.?
> >
> > How you arrive at your legal and ethical choices is entirely up to you.
> Unless it involves my work it doesn't affect me. Knock yourself out.
> >
> >
> > For the other readers here, I don't mind sharing a personal opinion on
> copyright law:
> >
> >
> > There are some details of US copyright statutes I don't much care for,
> particularly the control one giant American corporation has held over US
> copyright expiration ("Steamboat Willy", I'm looking at you).
> >
> > But overall I not only do my best to conform to US and applicable
> international copyright law per the terms of the contracts I sign, I
> wholeheartedly celebrate it.
> >
> > IMO the Berne Convention, which lies at the heart of most copyright law
> among signatory nations, exemplifies a profound wisdom we all benefit from,
> esp the readers here, since most of us earn our living from intellectual
> property.
> >
> > It holds that at the very moment of the creation of any original
> creative work, the creator of that work has sole authority over it.
> >
> > Let that sink in. Savor it. It's wonderfully delicious.
> >
> > It recognizes that creative effort is a uniquely valuable human
> activity, and maintains as a matter of international legal guidance the
> sanctity of the act of creation.
> >
> > Man, if nations could agree on anything else so beautifully principled
> our Spaceship Earth might be a paradise. :)
> >
> > I love it so much that when I come across old works I'm interested in
> that appear to be abandoned, I try to reach the creator or current rights
> holder to see what can be done to re-use it.
> >
> > It's the least I can do. If I am to embrace the excitingly bold spirit
> of the Berne Convention, I'm obliged to not only enjoy its fruits but to
> also honor its responsibilities.
> >
> > It is not for me to assume control of any other creator's 

Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you, Richsrd Gaskin.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 03:26 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the mention, Jeff. Without your adding that here I would
> have missed Richmond's reference; he's among a small number of members I
> generally don't read anymore (so much to learn, so little signal in a
> noisy world...)
>
> FWIW I agree with what you wrote, and felt it was important enough to
> quote it in whole below. Thank you for taking the time to write that.
>
>
> Richmond's original comment about me was:
>  > Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating
>  > irons.?
>
> How you arrive at your legal and ethical choices is entirely up to you.
> Unless it involves my work it doesn't affect me. Knock yourself out.
>
>
> For the other readers here, I don't mind sharing a personal opinion on
> copyright law:
>
>
> There are some details of US copyright statutes I don't much care for,
> particularly the control one giant American corporation has held over US
> copyright expiration ("Steamboat Willy", I'm looking at you).
>
> But overall I not only do my best to conform to US and applicable
> international copyright law per the terms of the contracts I sign, I
> wholeheartedly celebrate it.
>
> IMO the Berne Convention, which lies at the heart of most copyright law
> among signatory nations, exemplifies a profound wisdom we all benefit
> from, esp the readers here, since most of us earn our living from
> intellectual property.
>
> It holds that at the very moment of the creation of any original
> creative work, the creator of that work has sole authority over it.
>
> Let that sink in. Savor it. It's wonderfully delicious.
>
> It recognizes that creative effort is a uniquely valuable human
> activity, and maintains as a matter of international legal guidance the
> sanctity of the act of creation.
>
> Man, if nations could agree on anything else so beautifully principled
> our Spaceship Earth might be a paradise. :)
>
> I love it so much that when I come across old works I'm interested in
> that appear to be abandoned, I try to reach the creator or current
> rights holder to see what can be done to re-use it.
>
> It's the least I can do. If I am to embrace the excitingly bold spirit
> of the Berne Convention, I'm obliged to not only enjoy its fruits but to
> also honor its responsibilities.
>
> It is not for me to assume control of any other creator's work.
>
> In honoring copyright, I'm creating of a world where copyright is honored.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
>
>
> Jeff Reynolds wrote:
>
> > Richmond,
> >
> > And I’ll be right there with Richard.
> >
> > Just because it’s not being supported does not remove copyrights. You
> know that’s a stupid argument. Maybe fine with your own morals but it’s not
> how copyright works. As a content creator for over 4 decades of my
> professional life I really hate that attitude of self justification. Fine
> for your own use but if you want to redistribute it then get the rights.
> Not for profit label has nothing to do with the rights involved.
> >
> > I have experience working in and with media companies and licensing
> others’ materials and having others licensing ours. We were told all the
> time by management and legal to not respond to requests to license unless
> management was interested in the proposal and they would handle that. I
> thought it pretty strange that a denial letter could cause any issues and
> may have just been paranoia or don’t waste your time but those were the
> instructions.
> >
> > Getting an odd bob out out of relicensing an old project involves
> figuring out who you are getting in bed with and if you even want to get
> into bed with them in the first place, time to come to an agreement,
> research out the original projects licensing (media projects are rife with
> licensed media that at times are not transferable or require additional
> permission and/or payments), create and agree on a contract, deliver the
> goods, then make sure everything is being done as contracted. That’s not
> simple and all the steps cost time and money and usually folks are not
> willing to pay much for the rights to cover these costs, let alone a profit.
> >
> > I’ve done this process a couple of times with old projects and it was
> way more work than I thought it would be and that was with a very good
> relationship with the rights holder (I built the original product for them)
> and in good rights situations. One was easy and owner was happy with a
> handshake on the deal until I had a product to sell and then we would pen a
> contract. I totally trusted him he would honor the handshake (and I’m still
> absolutely sure he would have, very good chap), but a year and a half later
> he ended up having to sell the rights, so our handshake of course was no
> longer good. He was transparent about all this and I just did the hand
> shake as it would have been a good chunk of 

Re: Search & Replace

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Aye, well, I stand corrected.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 23:07 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> > Am 12.01.2022 um 20:11 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Everyone has misunderstood my Q over here on the use-list.
> > Luckily Bernd, over in the Fora understood my Q perfectly, and because of
> > his help I was able to do what I wanted.
>
> in the forum you asked for the "Find and Replace STACK"!
> If you had mentioned STACK here in the mailing list, too, well... 8-)
>
> > Best, Richmond.
>
> >>>>>> I am trying to locate the Search & Replace dialog inwith the LC IDE
> >>>>>> but seem unable to . . .
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
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Re: Search & Replace

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Everyone has misunderstood my Q over here on the use-list.

Luckily Bernd, over in the Fora understood my Q perfectly, and because of
his help I was able to do what I wanted.

Best, Richmond.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 21:06 Klaus major-k via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> > Am 12.01.2022 um 20:00 schrieb Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > What Jacque said. If not on a Mac, it is in the “Edit” menu, “Find and
> Replace”.
>
> I saw in the forum that Richmond is looking for the "Find and Replace"
> STACK file,
> go figure. 8-)
>
> > Craig
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:44 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If you're in the script editor you'll see different menus and cmd-F
> will bring up the editor's Find which appears between the script and the
> variable pane.
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> On January 12, 2022 3:15:19 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Richmond,
> >>>
>  Am 12.01.2022 um 10:08 schrieb Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
>  I am trying to locate the Search & Replace dialog inwith the LC IDE
>  but seem unable to . . .
> >>>
> >>> new to LC? 8-)
> >>>
> >>> Last item in menu -> Edit
> >>> Or CMD-F.
> >>>
>  Best, Richmond.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Klaus
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: How to detect when the user moves a stack

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

remember to 'toplevel' you substack.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021, 12:29 jbv via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
>
> Yes it works, thank you for the tip.
> Oddly I forgot about the "movestack" message, probably because it
> doesn't appear in the list of available messages when I open the stack
> script in LC 8...
>
> jbv
>
> Le 2021-12-15 05:17, Klaus major-k via use-livecode a écrit :
> > Hi jbv,
> >
> >> Am 15.12.2021 um 11:02 schrieb jbv via use-livecode
> >> :
> >>
> >> Hi list,
> >> How can I detect when the user moves a stack around the screen by
> >> clicking on the top bar while leaving the mouse down ?
> >> Here's my problem : I have a main stack calling a modal stack that
> >> displays information in real time while some client / server dialog is
> >> running. When the modal stack opens, it is located at the loc of the
> >> main stack. But if the user moves the main stack, the modal stack
> >> stays at the same place, and I would like it to move accordingly and
> >> remain at the loc of the main stack, no matter where the user moves
> >> the main stack.
> >> At least this is happening in the IDE, I haven't built a standalone
> >> yet.
> >
> > usually you could check the "movestack" message, but I'm not sure if
> > the MODAL stack
> > will not block any actions? Can't you use a "system window" instaed if
> > that is the problem?
> >
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> jbv
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
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Re: Control of Text Fields.

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Surely the script depends on what you want those buttons to do.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:41 Roger Guay via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Alex. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. I’m building a calculator
> stack with forward and back arrow buttons and a Delete button. What's the
> script for these buttons?
>
> Roger
>
> > On Nov 4, 2021, at 5:53 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > I'm not sure I properly understand your question.
> >
> > here's a code snippet the moves the insertion point (in this sample,
> typing an 'f' moves it forward, 'b' moves it back). (Note this also works
> if there is some text selected - it moves the insertion to just after the
> selection, just like the arrow key does).
> >
> >> on keydown p
> >>local t
> >>switch p
> >>   case  "f"
> >>  put word 4 of the selectedchunk into t
> >>  select after char (t+1) of me
> >>  break
> >>   case "b"
> >>  put word 2 of the selectedchunk into t
> >>  select before char (t-1) of me
> >>  break
> >>end  switch
> >> end keydown
> > To then delete the char in front of it, you'd do something like
> >
> >put empty into char (t+1) of me
> >
> > Hope that's close enough to what you were asking, or at least gives you
> a starting place  :-),
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On 04/11/2021 20:49, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> >> I simply want to be able to move the insertion iBeam in a focused field
> left and right, one char at a time (just like the left and right arrows
> keys), and then to delete the char in front of it (just like the Delete
> key). The dictionary was again of no use to me. Can someone please provide
> sample scripts?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roger
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Re: LC IDE Menu suddenly is slow / responds slowly

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Surely the best way to see whether the slow down is LC 9.6.4 or MacOS Big
Sur is to install LC 9.6.3 alongside 9.6.4

However, I should say that as soon as the Monterey (MacOS 12) betas became
available I dropped Big Sur (MacOS 11) like a hot potato,
and have found MacOS 12 beta far, far better. Personally I look on MacOS 11
as an awful alpha thing best avoided.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 11:27 AM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i am currently noticing a massive slow down of the LC 9.6.4 IDE menu. Not
> right away after opening Livecode IDE, but after some time of usage.
> I never noticed that in 9.6.3. Clicking on an main menu entry takes then
> about 2 or 3 seconds until i can see the submenu
>
> But I am not sure if this is really only an LC problem or due to the fact
> that i upgraded to Big Sur around the same time as LC 9.6.4 was released.
>
> Currently i only notice this slow down of the menu in 9.6.4 and i am not
> able to see this in 9.6.3. But maybe i am a little bit to impatient and my
> testing is too short.
>
> In the activity monitor i cannot see anything unusual. Now large memory
> consumption of LC and no high CPU usage.
>
> After a restart of LC the IDE menu behaves normal, but some time later it
> slows down.
>
>
> Is anyone else experiencing the same or a similar behavior?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
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Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Just as a way of showing off my goofiness: how do I compile LiveCode
from your github downloadables?

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 12:55 AM Paul McClernan via use-livecode <
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> Well I've wanted to contribute more, and have as time allowed. I first had
> to learn how to use GitHub before I could even start to contribute, and did
> appreciate the hand holding I got from the team along the way. But
> understand that LC needs to be very careful and methodical about what they
> merged into their main repo, this made even contributing simple spelling
> fixes to the docs (which also requires some understanding of .markdown used
> in .lcdoc) a tedious task. Additionally,in don't think it was clear to a
> some users a lot of the IDE/libs are bootstrapped and so one only needs an
> understanding of LCScript to contribute changes.
>
> Contributing to the engine code, however, is not the only way Community
> could contribute. I jumped on the chance to extend the possibilities by
> learning LCBuilder once that became available, made all of my LCB work open
> source in Hope's of encouraging and helping others to get over the learning
> curve inherent in that. Community freely supporting other members of the
> community should also be valued.
>
> I will likely get on board LC10 train at some point, when I know more about
> the improvements being made to it, beyond syntax changea and a faster HTML5
> engine. But I also plan to try to improve and maintain my own fork of LCC,
> and I hope others will explore the many possibilities with that as well.
>
> I've already fixed a bug that I reported back in April in my fork(s) and
> added a link to my fix to that bugzilla report.
>
> https://github.com/PaulMcClernan/LiveCodeCommunity-IDE-DontPanicEdition
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 7:56 AM David Bovill via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are my thoughts on this - and a request.
> >
> > Yes - it’s not a surprising move by Livecode Ltd - they were clearly
> > struggling supporting the community aspect and taking the language to the
> > next level and they need more revenue to do that.
> >
> > The question is (for my part at least) - what to do about this.
> Personally
> > I have never seen a future for a closed source language, and the
> projects I
> > work on will not fund. Projects developed in closed source - especially
> by
> > a small company. So I have a choice, switch language, or look to continue
> > with developing with the community edition and help build an open source
> > community around that. The former (switching languages) is relatively
> easy,
> > the latter a lot of work.
> >
> > I’m happy to have a company like Livecode Ltd create closed source
> > products  that I can use, so how to have both an open source language,
> and
> > the ability to work with closed source products developed by Livecode
> Ltd?
> > As I see it the only option is for those interested in the community to
> > take control and responsibility for the core language.
> >
> > There are a number of options with regard to future language development,
> > that would put the language on an even par with other open source
> > languages, and there are also new ways to finance such initiatives. It
> > would be valuable to get together as a community and discuss those.
> >
> > How about having a community conference to look at what is possible? We
> > can do this online and showcase new and existing open source projects and
> > discuss the opportunities this new environment presents?
> >
> >
> > Schedule a call with me
> > On 1 Sep 2021, 12:18 +0100, David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 1 Sep 2021, at 11:26 am, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There you had a group of programmers who supposedly loved what
> > > > HyperCard could do, but they only loved that concept as a historical
> > > > artefact, not as a tool available to people now.
> > >
> > > Abso-frogging-lutely.
> > >
> > > The really interesting questions are “why?" and “Is there anything we
> > could do about it?”
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Wishes,
> > >
> > > David Glasgow
> > > Consultant Forensic & Clinical Psychologist
> > > Carlton Glasgow Partnership
> > > Director, Child & Family Training, York
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> > > Sexual Offences, Crime and Misconduct Research Unit
> > > Nottingham Trent University
> > >
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Re: Licensing model change

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

LibreOffice is alive and kicking.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:48 David Wood via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > LiveCode is magical. (From a beta HyperCard user!)
>
>
> Gosh! I was also a Hypercard user. But a beta Hypercard user! WOW!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 01:04, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I honestly never quite saw how offering a free version alongside
> >> commercial versions was going to fly. People need to eat, and if you
> give
> >> something away for free, people will simply not pay for it.
> >>
> >> I did the free version for a couple years, mainly because what I create
> >> helps almost exclusively myself, and I do not sell anything. I am on
> Indy
> >> for a couple years now because I feel bad about using the software for
> >> free, and I feel like I need to contribute to the "cause", which is not
> >> purely altruistic by the way. The loss of Livecode would pretty much
> mean
> >> the end of my development hobby.
> >>
> >> Overall I welcome this new approach. If you are using LC for free,
> please
> >> consider getting on a subscription, especially if you develop regularly.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 31, 2021, at 09:16 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I just read and watched Kevin's announcement about LC licensing.
> >>> The value for us in the OSS license was simply a greater level of
> >> assurance
> >>> that there would be longevity in the event that LC the company failed,
> as
> >>> the source was still there for someone else to pick up. I think that's
> >> how
> >>> MC -> RR.
> >>> So I am disappointed that the code will not be out in the open in the
> >> event
> >>> of a business failure, however, I'm also respectful of the need for
> more
> >>> revenue.
> >>> I will leave it to others to discuss the failure of LC to deliver x,y,z
> >> and
> >>> how that plays into the situation.
> >>> I am also not privy to a recent P/L, so I am in a bad position to opine
> >> on
> >>> what they should do or prioritize.
> >>>
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> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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Forum?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Has the Forum gone bottom up?

Certainly seems quiescent just now.

Richmond.

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Re: Replacetext of any characters between parentheses with a space

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, for both their repetitive an tedious lyrics, and their bank-rolling
the Christ Brotherhood
I can honestly say that I am grateful that most of the Grateful Dead are .
. .

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:12 PM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
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> Ha! Another way.  I couldn’t get the regex to work, despite Paul's
> invaluable help reminding me that replacetext  is a function.
>
> My cobbled together solution involved setting itemdel to parentheses then
> deleting items.
>
> As the Grateful Dead rather repetitively put it:
>
> So many roads
> So many roads
> Mountain high, river wide
> So many roads to ride
> So many roads
> So many roads
>
> (in LiveCode)
>
> Cheers
>
> David G
>
> > On 10 Jun 2021, at 9:10 am, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, at the rsik of getting things wrong, here's my attempt:
> >
> > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=35951
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 8:05 PM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> LC coders, please tell me why this won’t work!  My guess is that this
> is a
> >> regex issue, not LC, but I am so stuck.
> >>
> >> I want to replace all text within in parentheses (including the
> >> parentheses) with a single space.  I have tried assembling the
> >> matchExpression in advance and in line, and also escaping the
> parentheses
> >> just in case they are reserved in regex.  Or do I need to enclose the
> >> matchExpression in something other than or in addition to, quotes?
> >>
> >> on mouseup
> >>
> >>  put field "import" into timport
> >>
> >>  replacetext (timport, "(.*)", " ")
> >>
> >>  put timport into field "import"
> >>
> >> end mouseup
> >>
> >>
> >> I get the less than inspiring:
> >>
> >> execution error at line 3 (Handler: can't find handler) near
> >> "replacetext", char 1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best Wishes,
> >>
> >> David Glasgow
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Re: Replacetext of any characters between parentheses with a space

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, at the rsik of getting things wrong, here's my attempt:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=35951

Richmond.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 8:05 PM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
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> LC coders, please tell me why this won’t work!  My guess is that this is a
> regex issue, not LC, but I am so stuck.
>
> I want to replace all text within in parentheses (including the
> parentheses) with a single space.  I have tried assembling the
> matchExpression in advance and in line, and also escaping the parentheses
> just in case they are reserved in regex.  Or do I need to enclose the
> matchExpression in something other than or in addition to, quotes?
>
> on mouseup
>
>   put field "import" into timport
>
>   replacetext (timport, "(.*)", " ")
>
>   put timport into field "import"
>
> end mouseup
>
>
> I get the less than inspiring:
>
>  execution error at line 3 (Handler: can't find handler) near
> "replacetext", char 1
>
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> David Glasgow
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Re: Polygons

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

The problem is that the borders of a polygon are integral parts of that
polygon and not somehow detachable; even if their width is set to 0 they
are still there. Were it possible to set the widths of sides individually
things would be quite different, but to achieve this one would probably
have to assemble some of composite object (c.f. dataGrids).

Richmond.

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:41 Terence Heaford via use-livecode, <
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> I also have concluded this.
>
> If you miss out lines the opaque setting is irrelevant, it functions as
> being false.
>
> Is this a bug?
>
> My work around is two polygons one underneath (filled) and the other on
> top (with lines)
>
> You could just draw lines between the points that need them, using a
> polygon as a line. I have tried this and it does not impact performance.
>
> Thanks for all your help
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Apr 2021, at 19:29, Ian McKnight via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would hazard a guess that the fill area needs to be bounded by a line.
> If
> > a line is missing the fill routine can't determine where the edge of the
> > fill is and so fails, leaving the grc empty. I may be completely wrong on
> > this but it seems logical.
> >
> > Not much help I know but if you want to emphasise the edge of the bar
> could
> > the special effects settings help? I haven't tried his but have your bar
> as
> > a filled grc with out an edge and play with internal, external glows and
> > shadows etc to emphasise the outline.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ian
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Re: Converting from unicode to ASCII

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Well, after my last posting the Bulgarian government will want my guts for
garters . . . but as the idea of the totally corrupt government wearing
garters made out of my
intestines is hilarious . . .


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:19 AM Richmond Mathewson <
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> Personally I think deleting everything that is not inwith the ASCII range
> is potentially a bit dangerous [suppose ALL the letters
> in the title are not inwith the ASCII range], so I would favour using some
> sort of lookup table/substitution list.  Certainly letters such
> as accented 'e' can just be replaced by a 'common or garden e', but,
> consider Cyrillic for instance.  Of course a lot of this has to
> do with what sort of source files you are using [Hmong, anyone?].
>
> Most alphabetic languages have a standardise Latin transliteration
> standard and that is best adhered to, so, for instance:
>
> Ричмънд (in Bulgarian Cyrillic), comes across as 'Richmand' [OK, OK, OK,
> it's hilarious, but that's what you get when a
> transliteration standard is worked out by a committee of people who
> couldn't tie their own shoelaces (that's why they sit in
> committees)].
>
> Certainly, however WONKY a Latin transliteration scheme maybe both
> phonetically and in general, that should NOT need to
> be considered when it comes to file names.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:43 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> >> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
>> >
>> > No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the
>> > server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added
>> > frequently. That's why I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve
>> > changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading all
>> those
>> > files would be way too much work.
>>
>> How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar
>> that stores the filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now
>> on and not have to mess with the existing ones.
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Re: Converting from unicode to ASCII

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Personally I think deleting everything that is not inwith the ASCII range
is potentially a bit dangerous [suppose ALL the letters
in the title are not inwith the ASCII range], so I would favour using some
sort of lookup table/substitution list.  Certainly letters such
as accented 'e' can just be replaced by a 'common or garden e', but,
consider Cyrillic for instance.  Of course a lot of this has to
do with what sort of source files you are using [Hmong, anyone?].

Most alphabetic languages have a standardise Latin transliteration standard
and that is best adhered to, so, for instance:

Ричмънд (in Bulgarian Cyrillic), comes across as 'Richmand' [OK, OK, OK,
it's hilarious, but that's what you get when a
transliteration standard is worked out by a committee of people who
couldn't tie their own shoelaces (that's why they sit in
committees)].

Certainly, however WONKY a Latin transliteration scheme maybe both
phonetically and in general, that should NOT need to
be considered when it comes to file names.

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> On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>
> >> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
> >
> > No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the
> > server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added
> > frequently. That's why I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve
> > changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading all those
> > files would be way too much work.
>
> How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar
> that stores the filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now
> on and not have to mess with the existing ones.
>
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That is a good point.
The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
Ubuntu thing.

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> On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
>
> Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
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Re: REducing image size of resized image

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Just do it externally in GIMP.  I do it all the time. Whoops, I'm drunk,
but it's my wife's birthday.

On Fri, May 29, 2020, 5:13 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi all,
>
> there was a trick to reduce the size of a scaled-down image.
> Was that: set the text of img 1 to the imagedata of img 1
> ?
>
> Thank you for a quick answer!
>
>
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Re: Sad truth about iOS apps

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I posted something I found to get round this on the Forums

On Fri, May 15, 2020, 9:26 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> I've ditched LC for mobile development but 
>
> This may help you its not great for the simulator, but for making
> builds, it should work.
>
> http://www.xcodeclub.com
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:20 PM Dev via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >   http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5=34097
> >
> >  Some other potential solutions from the forums
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On May 15, 2020 at 10:03 AM,   > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com)>  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  As many of you will know, I have been struggling to create an iPhone
> > app - very unfamiliar territory for me. It’s been an education. Without
> > help from this list and the mother ship I would have been dead in the
> water
> > long ago. Finally I can see the (beta version of) the app running on my
> > iPhones - yipee! The next step is to get it out there via TestFlight so
> > that a few friends can mess with it. I just went through all the hoops
> with
> > the Apple App Store to reach the magic TestFlight stage, using the XCode
> > Application Loader. Things looked good until this:  >  ERROR ITMS-90725:
> > "SDK Version Issue. This app was built with the iOS 12.1 SDK. New apps
> for
> > iPhone or iPad must be built with the iOS 13 SDK or later.” My iMac can
> > only run High Sierra, and High Sierra can only run XCode 10.1, and AFAIK
> > that version of XCode only runs SDK 12.1. I think that means I get a new
> > Mac or give up. Please tell me if I’m wrong. Graham PS I would really
> like
> > a new Mac, but the budget is the problem!
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Re: TIFF support in the past?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-Import-Tiff-td3432308.html

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:43 AM Phil Davis via use-livecode <
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> Thank you Mark!
> Phil
>
>
> On 1/24/20 12:14 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> > I think the player object would show tiff files back when it was QT
> driven - the engine itself has never natively supported tiff.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 24 Jan 2020, at 08:01, Phil Davis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm trying to find out if there was a time in the distant past when LC
> supported the TIFF image format. I found some TIFF image assets in some
> subfolders of a project from back then (maybe 10 or more years ago?) but
> can't run a copy of LC from that era to find out.
> >>
> >> Any memories?
> >>
> >> Thanks -
> >> Phil Davis
> >>
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Re: Buying a used apple to run ios simulator.

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My experience of dual boot machines has been distinctly negative: probably
because of the way my mind works . . .

I'll be merrily working along on one Operating system when some "clever"
idea will occur to me about something
on another operating system: but to try out that idea I have to shutdown my
machine and boot into another OS.

That's why I have a big rooms with 9 computers . . .

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:59 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
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> Get an Intel Nuc. By far the cheapest, easiest and fastest way to get a
> Hackintosh up and running. Lots of youtube about it and tonnes of helpful
> people with excellent advice. Works out better than an actual Mac Mini by
> far. And dual bootable for Linux and Windows too.
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital *
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 21:05, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Am I allowed to swear on this forum?cuz F YES! that is what I want to
> > dodual boot. :D Thanks!!
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 4:01 PM JJS via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Alternative, if you have a decent PC, insert an extra HD or SDD and
> make
> > > it an Hackintosh and dualboot
> > >
> > > check details here: https://www.tonymacx86.com/ on how to do it
> > >
> > > You can nicely play with the iOs Simulator
> > >
> > >
> > > Op 15-1-2020 om 21:45 schreef Richmond via use-livecode:
> > > > See if it sits within the models that can be upgraded to MacOS 10.15
> .
> > > > . .
> > > >
> > > > The A1311 was released in late 2011 and can only be updated to MacOS
> > > > 10.13.6 !
> > > >
> > > > If you can get your hands on a Late 2012 Mac mini that will upgrade
> to
> > > > MacOS 10.15:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.kijiji.ca/v-ordinateurs-de-bureau/ville-de-montreal/liquidation-mac-mini-chez-lap-pro-seulement-249/1482471428?undefined
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Worth a look!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 15.01.20 20:22, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > > >> Hi peeps,
> > > >>
> > > >> I need to run the ios simulator and build ios apps, so I have to buy
> > an
> > > >> apple mac.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have 0 plans to use it for anything else, so I am buying
> > refurbished.
> > > >>
> > > >> Will this system work?  Can someone confirm for me?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://ca.refurb.io/collections/apple-laptops-ipads/products/apple-imac-a1311-21-5-all-in-one-intel-core-i5-4gb-ram-500gb-hdd-high-sierra-os-refurbished-b-grade
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I plan on using 9.05 and 9.5 on it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>
> > > >> Tom
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
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Re: Learning from scratch - any recommendations?

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I have a radical disagreement with Scratch and its ilk as, while it does
allow one to run up simple computer games, it does not let users see the
"guts" of a program, and seems not to give children transferrable skill for
non-block programming languages. I have successfully started kids from 9
years old and upward on programming with both BBC BASIC and Livecode.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 6:00 PM kee nethery via use-livecode <
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> My recommendation is to have them start with scratch.mit.edu and spend a
> month making stuff with that language. Scratch is built for 1st graders to
> pick up and it is extremely satisfying as the starter language. They get
> exposed to all sorts of concepts, message passing, variables, flow control,
> multi-processing, it’s a great starter language. A month making stuff and
> then move to livecode.
>
> Kee
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was disappointed that I only got one reply to my query about LC as a
> platform for learning programming - I thought this was a big thing with
> quite a few people on this list, some of whom are actually educators. Since
> I’ve failed in this, can someone suggest a better way of getting an answer
> (e.g. forums, mother ship)?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > I wrote:
> >
> >> I have been approached by one of my family to ask what would be the
> first steps for someone (a young adult) to enable them to enter the world
> of app design and programming. Obviously I need to ask more questions
> myself, such as whether this would be to get a job, or simply as an
> educational exercise, or maybe to provide a launchpad for a startup idea.
> However, even at this stage, of course my thoughts turned to LiveCode.
> >>
> >> So my question to the community is, how would such a person start off -
> assuming they’re intelligent, very familiar with consumer-level technology
> such as smart phones, tablets, laptop computers for study etc. and social
> media, but probably have never seen or thought about what is involved in
> designing, implementing and publishing an app (I would just say “a
> program”, but that shows how old I am) on any platform? If it is LC (and
> why not?), are the published lessons sufficient? What is the view of those
> on this list who do actually teach this stuff?
> >>
> >> The trouble for me is that I have been around all this for 50 years
> (more, to be truthful) and so can’t project myself well into the mind of
> that kind of newbie. One guess is that one way to start would be to find a
> cheap hardware platform (probably an Android tablet) and try to use the LC
> Community Edition to allow me to create something for that; but that idea
> may be stupid, particularly as one would need a different platform to
> actually do the development work.
> >>
> >> Hoping for some insights
> >>
> >> Graham
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Re: Release 9.5.1 RC-1

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Congratulations.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 5:08 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> I'm a bit confused about the booleans. This seems to indicate that true <>
> "true". I've been sloppy in my code, so I may have to go through and find
> every instance of a boolean and decide how I want to treat it. Also, how
> will this affect database operations? "true" in a column is a string. true
> in a column is an integer or bool.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 07:08 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.5.1 RC-1.
> >
> >
> > Getting the Release
> > ===
> > You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via
> > the automatic updater.
> >
> >
> > Release Contents
> > 
> > LiveCode 9.5.1 RC-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes, including
> corrections
> > and enhancements in dozens of Dictionary entries.
> > Also, the long standing crash-when-debugging issue, originally fixed in
> > 9.0.5, is now fixed in 9.5.1 RC-1 as well.
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Re: identifying text chars in an image

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Well, that'd involve some sort of OCR . . . So you've either got to wrap
some code up from elsewhere, or roll your own OCR routine in LiveCode.

Tough call.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 9:45 AM Phil Davis via use-livecode <
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> I want to [programmatically] take a picture of a Scrabble board and then
> take from that image the characters displayed in it, and maintain the
> organization of the text. In other words, I want to convert the text
> displayed in the image to text strings.
>
> Any ideas where I should start?
>
> I would love to be able to do it in my app. However I'm not completely
> against uploading the image to a service that would do it for me; I am
> only mostly against it.
>
> Thanks for any ideas to may have.
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Always negative

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Not entirely.

I can put for what I regard as a positive suggestion. Whether it is doable
 and makes any business sense is a big question.

Stop all continuing development for a fixed period of time (6 months, say)
and attempt to sort out as many of the outstanding bugs as possible.

Have a fundraiser where individuals could sponsor specific bugs and
features they really wanted seeing to.

Even "Awful Richmond" would stump up some money for that.
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Re: Rocky islands

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That is obviously the last hurrah of the Macintosh as a computer qua
computer rather than a bijou entertainment and communication device.
Sinking, sinking, sinking.

I'll stick with Mojave as have nothing entertaining to produce: unless you
find typing in dead Indian languages fun; at which point I pity you.

Love, Richmond.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:24 AM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
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> CRAP. Be Afraid. Be very very Afraid.
>
> I just went through hours of hell trying to get my desktop and documents
> back together after trying to NOT use iCloud. Good thing I backed up
> everything, but still had to reinstall the system.
>
> And I haven't had the courage to go beyond High Sierra.
>
> My 2010 power probably can't run  ... what's the name again? Catalina.
>
> at least it's a cat.
>
> har har.
>
> Now on to try and find a replacement for Siri.
> she only gets way in the way these days.. It's all or nothing at all and
> I'm tired of yelling at my phone.
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>
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 2:31 PM Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > "macOS Catalina gives you more of everything you love about
> > Mac. Experience music, TV, and podcasts in three all-new Mac apps. Enjoy
> > your favorite iPad apps now on your Mac. Extend your workspace and
> > expand your creativity with iPad and Apple Pencil. And discover smart
> > new features in the apps you use every day. Now you can take everything
> > you do above and beyond."
> >
> > Wow: I can translate that into far, far easier language:
> >
> > macOS Catalina gives you more of a plastic bathtoy; an extended
> > gramophone player, TV, fancy telephone and pornogram, and less of what I
> > was brought up to believe a computer really should be.
> >
> > Mind you, the "mene, mene, tekel, up-yours!" was there for all to see
> > when Steve Jobs killed off Hypercard.
> >
> > "Enjoy" . . . Cor! John Calvin was right.
> >
> > Love, Richmond.
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Re: OT - Could someone with an Android phone do me a favour and test my website?

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Looks fine on ASUS.

Richmond.


On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 5:14 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> All is fine on both my Pixel and Huawei MediaPad m5.
>
> --
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> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On June 13, 2019 3:23:31 PM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > yesterday i´ve received an email from a user who informed me that my
> > website was not completely visible on his Samsung S7 Edge phone.
> > Better said, some text at the bottom of some pages (e.g. pages
> impressum,
> > disclaimer)  was not visible.
> > I could replicate this even on my iPhone and modified my website. After
> > this modification i am able to see all text on all pages with an iPhone
> and
> > a Samsung S9.
> >
> > Unfortunately my customer still experience the problem.
> >
> > I would be very grateful if someone with an Android phone could test my
> > site at https://instamaker.dermattes.de <
> https://instamaker.dermattes.de/>
> > and would tell me, if all text was displayed or not.
> >
> > The last words of page impressum should be '32312 Lübbecke' and the last
> > words of page disclaimer should be 'means of spam mail'.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> > Matthias Rebbe
> >
> > free tools for Livecoders:
> > https://instamaker.dermattes.de 
> > https://winsignhelper.dermattes.de 
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Re: Android SDK

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thank you; that did the trick.

Richmond.

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> > Richmond wrote:
> > because LiveCode seems unable to  "see" my User/library folder.
>
> A simple way that you (and LiveCode) can see the Library Folder:
>
> Select your home folder in the finder. Hit cmd-J (= View >Show View
> Options)
> and check "Show Library Folder".
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Re: Crunchy chestnuts again, again, again

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

What is your "objection" to the forum?

I find it better than the Use-List as one can attach stuff.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 1:41 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> I don't use that forum so I cannot.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:44 , Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed: Please signal your opinion:
> >
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=31971
> >
> > Richmond.
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Re: Versions 7.1.1 and 8.1.3 no long working properly

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Yesterday I woke my Mac mini running 10.14.2 from sleep and got nothing but
'snow' on the monitor. Turning off all 'sleep' settings solved the problem.

Richmond.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:53 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Curious. I woke up my Mac with 10.14.2 with an external monitor plugged
> in. The laptop monitor backlight lit, but no image was displayed. Rebooting
> resolved the issue.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 03:19 , JJS via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've read that 10.14.3 will come in Januray or february.
> >
> > Mojave 10.14 did strange thing on my hackintosh too, so i downgraded to
> High sierra latest version 10.13.6
> >
> > From corrupted downloads to other strange things.
> >
> > Now there is an update to 10.14.2, but it also did not work to update
> correct to that version from 10.14.
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Re: Versions 7.1.1 and 8.1.3 no long working properly

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I found 7.1.4 crashes on macOS 10.14
Not good.

Richmond.

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> Good to see you here, Jim.
>
> James Hurley wrote:
>  > I have found the url for  downloading commercial versions of LIveCode.
>  >
>  > Do you know the url for downloading the community versions?
>
> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
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Intersecting Lines: straight ones

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=31565

Richmond.
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Re: (browser) focus hocus pocus broke us

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On my silly phone now as in bed. Wonder if you couldn't use a splash screen
substack with a spinner? Will try this tomorrow, although am uncertain re
substacks in the HTML5 standalone.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 11:44 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/24/18 5:45 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Thanks Monte.  Fix it anyway.
> > Thanks for the idea, Tom, no joy.
>
> Related use case: some web pages download a "ton" of javascript at start
> up.
>
> I can't find a way to set a "spinner/I-am-downloading" on the screen,
> until we get some content appearing on the page.
>
> BR
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Re: Intersect Function

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It is, and INTERSECT with them is just a distraction. Probably time (shock,
horror) to do some Mathematics.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 11:36 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <
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> I think he mentioned curved “lines”. That is a whole other kettle of fish.
> .Jerry
>
> > On Sep 24, 2018, at 9:23 AM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is not this complicated. Only if you are looking for
> > the intersection of two line *segments* you have do a
> > few more checks.
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Re: Intersect Function

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One could have a line consisting of a graphic object (rectangle) with a
width of one. ?

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> @Richmond.
>
> You (and the author) overlooked that we have, since 1.0,
>  is within .
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Re: Intersect Function

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I found THIS in the User contributed notes in the 7.1.4 documentation 
from 2009:


"The intersect() command takes two objects as inputs. In some 
situations, it may be useful to find the intersect of a point and a 
rectangle. The custom function below may be used in those cases:


function pointIntersect pPoint,pRect
   split pPoint by comma
   split pRect by comma
   return ((pRect[1] <= pPoint[1]) and (pPoint[1] <= pRect[3]) and 
(pRect[2] <= pPoint[2]) and (pPoint[2] <= pRect[4]))

end pointIntersect

Examples:
pointIntersect(the mouseLoc, the rectangle of stack "MyStack")
pointIntersect(the clickLoc, the rect of img "Splash")

Use the pointIntersect function to determine whether a point is within a 
specified rectangle.


Parameters:
The pPoint is an expression that evaluates to a point.
The pRect is a rectangle consisting of four integers separated by commas.

Value:
The pointIntersect function returns true or false.

Comments:
The pointIntersect function does not differentiate between screen 
coordinates and window coordinations.
This means that if the point is screen-relative, such as a mouseLoc, and 
the rectangle is window-relative,
such as an object's rectangle, the pointIntersect function does not 
return a reliable result."


This is NOT mine, so I can take no credit for it.

Richmond.

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Re: Natural Programming

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

When I went to study in America I had to set up a phone line: and when I 
went to the

phone office I asked the guy there, "Do you have STD?"

[ 'STD' Standard Trunk Dialling ]

Luckily he was an English teacher so merely corrected my grammar.

Richmond.

On 13/9/2018 10:08 pm, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:

At a meeting to discuss a hardware component one person said.  "This needs a
TLA."  not knowing what that was someone asks, "What's a TLA".
"Three Letter Acronym."

Martin





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Re: Being stupid for a change

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Certainly feels like that from time to time.

Richmond.

On 9/9/2018 11:56 pm, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond, you’re not stupid, just ‘clude’-less. ;)

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Re: Let's go mental

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OK, OK; here's "Ole Cheesey-feet" replying to his own message, just for 
a change:


When I changed something in the preOpenCard code that the navigation 
"button" was going 'next' to it behaved itself.


This is UTTER RUBBISH as a newby is really extremely unlikely to work 
out that when the
IDE throws an error code supposedly about something the fault is 
actually somewhere else.


This needs sorting out.

Richmond.

On 9/9/2018 8:36 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Yes, Let's: after all it is the anniversary of the "triumph" of 
Communism in Bulgaria.


Um . . .

So, there I am, as usual, on a Sunday, popping together a well simple 
stack with LiveCode 7.1.4 for the
tinies (5-7 years old) to practice writing "The monster has one eye", 
because, as one knows, it is
absolutely mission-critical in life to be able to make that sort of 
statement about monsters when you see them coming.


Hey-Ho. . . to navigation buttons . . .

So, on card 1 I have an arrow-shaped image containing this, very 
complex code:


on mouseUp
go next
end mouseUp

which has stood me in good stead for the better part of 25 years (pace 
HyperCard).


So; when the thing threw a "bluey":

 executing at 8:34:32 PM
TypeHandler: error in statement
ObjectAR.png
Linego next
HintmouseUp

I felt both "blue" and "cluded" . . .

Richmond.


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Let's go mental

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Yes, Let's: after all it is the anniversary of the "triumph" of 
Communism in Bulgaria.


Um . . .

So, there I am, as usual, on a Sunday, popping together a well simple 
stack with LiveCode 7.1.4 for the
tinies (5-7 years old) to practice writing "The monster has one eye", 
because, as one knows, it is
absolutely mission-critical in life to be able to make that sort of 
statement about monsters when you see them coming.


Hey-Ho. . . to navigation buttons . . .

So, on card 1 I have an arrow-shaped image containing this, very complex 
code:


on mouseUp
go next
end mouseUp

which has stood me in good stead for the better part of 25 years (pace 
HyperCard).


So; when the thing threw a "bluey":

 executing at 8:34:32 PM
TypeHandler: error in statement
ObjectAR.png
Linego next
HintmouseUp

I felt both "blue" and "cluded" . . .

Richmond.
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Re: Bluetooth again (was Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 180, Issue 17)

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If one belives Apple's propaganda that they take up 10% of the personal 
computer market that still excludes 90%:


"more than half" might qualify as an understatement.

Richmond.

On 9/9/2018 2:53 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

Nice to know, but this seems to leave more than half the potential users of 
one’s app out in the cold. OK Apple, you win this time. Is there no PC and/or 
Android help on the horizon?

Graham


On 8 Sep 2018, at 22:38, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:


MarkR wrote:

Can LiveCode communicate with Bluetooth devices?

There is an extension that comes with an Indy/Business license. mergBLE

 From the Dictionary:
"mergBLE is a LiveCode external for iOS and OS X that enables CoreBluetooth 
(BLE) functionality. You can use the external to discover and interact with 
peripherals or advertise your app as a peripheral for others to interact with.”

Jim Lambert


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Re: Being stupid for a change

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Thanks, Klaus,  and Mark,

I've had a long week and am feeling fairly Cluded to be honest.

Richmond.

On 8/9/2018 8:00 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond


Am 08.09.2018 um 18:54 schrieb richmond via use-livecode 
:

Erm . . .

What's wrong with this?
*if char 1 of POYNTS is included in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then*

you have a "cluded" too much. 8-)


Richmond.

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Re: This is disturbing!

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"bite a new programmer in the butt" . . . well, as a person who was a 
new programmer in 1975 and found
things very difficult to understand at first (FORTRAN IV) I certainly 
don't remember having a sore bottom!


I do know, that is numerical calculations empty spaces are exactly that: 
empty space.


While in string variables empty spaces are text.

The problem might arrise because LiveCode seems not to differentiate (on 
the surface at least) between

numerical variable and string variables.

Richmond.

On 6/9/2018 10:47 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Yes, but it's the kind of thing that can bite a new programmer in the butt. And the trouble with 
your comparison is that length("7. ") IS equal to length("6. "). So multiple 
comparisons have to be made. But this is an edge case I admit. I was only trying to maintain an 
index number for a TreeView widget, since the arrayData is not numerically indexed making sorting 
by order added a pain. I ended up using a datagrid anyway.

Bob S



On Sep 6, 2018, at 12:34 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
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Did anyone know that "6. " is equal to "6."???

It’s somewhat similar to
value(“h “) is equal to value(“h”),
while
“h “ is not equal to “h”.

I’m not disturbed but appreciative that the engine tries to convert both sides 
to numbers when doing a comparison. Just must remember that and use more 
“string-y” ways to compare strings as only strings.
For example other functions can reveal the strings “6. “ and “6.” are not the 
same string, such as length(“6. “) is not equal to length( “6.”).

Jim Lambert

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Re: This is disturbing!

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I wonder is the reason "6" and "6." are treated as the same is because 
"6." is read as "6.0"?


Late to the party, I know . . .

Richmond.

On 6/9/2018 10:34 pm, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote:

Did anyone know that "6. " is equal to "6."???

It’s somewhat similar to
value(“h “) is equal to value(“h”),
while
“h “ is not equal to “h”.

I’m not disturbed but appreciative that the engine tries to convert both sides 
to numbers when doing a comparison. Just must remember that and use more 
“string-y” ways to compare strings as only strings.
For example other functions can reveal the strings “6. “ and “6.” are not the 
same string, such as length(“6. “) is not equal to length( “6.”).

Jim Lambert


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

How fantastically useful. Thanks.

Richmond.

On 2/9/2018 9:21 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

Posted a utility stack to livecodeshare:

When first launched, the LiveCode IDE will build a documentation cache 
for the current version. When you upgrade to a new version, a new 
cache folder is created, but any older cache is still in the system. 
When you remove an older LiveCode version the cache folder is not 
removed, so these accumulate over time.


This stack will allow you to remove any documentation cache folders 
that are no longer needed in order to reclaim storage space on your 
computer. If you remove a current one accidentally it will be rebuilt 
the next time the LiveCode IDE is launched.


http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/895/LC-Documentation-Cache-Cleaner



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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

East or West, home is a comfy LiveCode stack . . .

Well; here's my third version, which does better than the first 2:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3yocmqzwhwu4ta/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 6:39 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
There is a town in Texas called West, made infamous a few years ago by 
a giant explosion. I don't think you can make assumptions about names 
of places.


Mark's suggestion to check for words ending in "s" will fail on many 
towns, though apostrophe-s may be safe.

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 1, 2018 5:49:30 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:



I can see that the "problem", which my stack does not address, is with 2
or 3 part place names:

The Rochester/Chester problem is easily dealt with.

While it should be realtively easy to have a subroutine to deal with
words such as "West" (after all, there are no places just called 
"West"),

places like a town my parents once lived in called "Haselbury Plucknett"
would cause problems.

AND, places such as "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruyton-XI-Towns)
would really throw a spanner in the works.

Come to think of things . . .

Unless anyone's code can cope with "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns" it won't
stand up: we could even go further and call
this the "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns Test".

More muffled background noises.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 1:29 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 12:05, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Obviously, when considering names of places such as Colchester,
Rochester and Chester one has
to search for the longer names first and exclude them from later
searches.


The 'substring' problem (i.e. Chester being 'in' Rochester) isn't
relevant in the above algorithm because we are 'tokenising' input and
phrases - essentially changing the alphabet.

i.e. "Rochester Chester Colchester" is turned into ABC, and we match
A, B or C as atomic units.

I should perhaps point out that the 'processText' operation probably
needs to be a little better in practice - to at least include a 'stop'
token for punctuation. For example:

"The man walked starting from East Hartford, West Hartford could be
seen in the distance."

In the case where 'Hartford West' and 'Hartford' are the 'known' towns
(and not 'East Hartford') - the proposed tokenization would result in:

The,man,walked,starting,from,East,Hartford,West,Hartford,could,be,seen,in,the,distance 



Which means you'd get "Hartford West" and "Hartford" - when you should
only get "Hartford" (assuming you care about the linguistic structure
of the text, at least).

Indeed, the above actually means in preprocessing the text, you can
actually vastly reduce the number of words to search - any sequences
of words which aren't in any pharse (or important punctuation) can be
replaced by "*" say. So the above would become:

*,East,Hartford,*,West,Hartford,*

The "*" tokens block matching multi-word phrases.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.


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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

We're all in a state at the moment with this one.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 7:24 pm, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote:

Thankfully, in my case, I do know what at least the state is:)


On Sep 1, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On 09/01/2018 08:39 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
There is a town in Texas called West, made infamous a few years ago by a giant 
explosion. I don't think you can make assumptions about names of places.

And thus the distinction between West Texas and West, Texas.

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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Is West, Texas in West Texas?

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 6:55 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 09/01/2018 08:39 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
There is a town in Texas called West, made infamous a few years ago 
by a giant explosion. I don't think you can make assumptions about 
names of places.


And thus the distinction between West Texas and West, Texas.



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Re: [OT] Accommodation in Edinburgh

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

If you get there bfore the University year starts one of the *best, and 
relatively inexpensive, places

to stay is the Pollok Halls student residences:

https://www.edinburghfirst.co.uk/for-accommodation/pollock-halls/

I stayed there last when I attended a LiveCode conference a few years back.

Richmond.
*
On 1/9/2018 6:54 pm, FlexibleLearning.com via use-livecode wrote:

We are (finally!) taking a week's holiday north of the border and want to
visit Edinburgh 10-15 September.


Any hotel recommendations? Does not have to be in the city centre!

Hugh


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Re: Chunked Off

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I suspect that is EXACTLY what I am looking for.

Thank you very much indeed.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 6:54 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 09/01/2018 06:22 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I've got a text, in a field ("xText"), that contains the phrase 
"Ruyton of the Eleven Towns."


Now what I would like to do is dlete the chunk "Ruyton of the Eleven 
Towns."


from the string variable . . . BUT . . . if I "try to be clever":


Probably not what you're looking for, but...

the not-clever approach:
replace "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns." with empty in exText

or directly:
replace "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns." with empty in field "xText"



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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That sounds remarkably like two women who are friends of my parents:

One is called "Gay" and the other one is called "Loveday". They were 
friends at school 60 years ago
and when they were both widowed they moved in together; although the son 
of one of them fell out

with his wife and now lives with them as well.

Assumptions are sometimes difficult to avoid.

Although my younger son did actually dislocate his knee jumping to 
conclusions . . .


This was mainly because he was trying to skip a difficult bit . . .

But I digress.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 6:39 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
There is a town in Texas called West, made infamous a few years ago by 
a giant explosion. I don't think you can make assumptions about names 
of places.


Mark's suggestion to check for words ending in "s" will fail on many 
towns, though apostrophe-s may be safe.

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 1, 2018 5:49:30 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:



I can see that the "problem", which my stack does not address, is with 2
or 3 part place names:

The Rochester/Chester problem is easily dealt with.

While it should be realtively easy to have a subroutine to deal with
words such as "West" (after all, there are no places just called 
"West"),

places like a town my parents once lived in called "Haselbury Plucknett"
would cause problems.

AND, places such as "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruyton-XI-Towns)
would really throw a spanner in the works.

Come to think of things . . .

Unless anyone's code can cope with "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns" it won't
stand up: we could even go further and call
this the "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns Test".

More muffled background noises.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 1:29 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 12:05, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Obviously, when considering names of places such as Colchester,
Rochester and Chester one has
to search for the longer names first and exclude them from later
searches.


The 'substring' problem (i.e. Chester being 'in' Rochester) isn't
relevant in the above algorithm because we are 'tokenising' input and
phrases - essentially changing the alphabet.

i.e. "Rochester Chester Colchester" is turned into ABC, and we match
A, B or C as atomic units.

I should perhaps point out that the 'processText' operation probably
needs to be a little better in practice - to at least include a 'stop'
token for punctuation. For example:

"The man walked starting from East Hartford, West Hartford could be
seen in the distance."

In the case where 'Hartford West' and 'Hartford' are the 'known' towns
(and not 'East Hartford') - the proposed tokenization would result in:

The,man,walked,starting,from,East,Hartford,West,Hartford,could,be,seen,in,the,distance 



Which means you'd get "Hartford West" and "Hartford" - when you should
only get "Hartford" (assuming you care about the linguistic structure
of the text, at least).

Indeed, the above actually means in preprocessing the text, you can
actually vastly reduce the number of words to search - any sequences
of words which aren't in any pharse (or important punctuation) can be
replaced by "*" say. So the above would become:

*,East,Hartford,*,West,Hartford,*

The "*" tokens block matching multi-word phrases.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.


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[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Yup: a lot.

I've got a text, in a field ("xText"), that contains the phrase "Ruyton 
of the Eleven Towns."


[ Don't worry why it is "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns.": just part of an 
ongoing, slightly kinky relationship with someone at LC central. ]


Now . . .

I can do this sort of thing:

on mouseDown
   put empty into fld "zText"
   put fld "xText" into exTEXT
   if matchChunk(exText,"Ruyton of the Eleven Towns.")  then
  --do something magical
  end if
end mouseDown

And the matchChunk will prove positive . . .

Now what I would like to do is dlete the chunk "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns."

from the string variable . . . BUT . . . if I "try to be clever":

on mouseDown
   put empty into fld "zText"
   put fld "xText" into exTEXT
   put "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns." into CHK
   if matchChunk(exText,CHK)  then
delete CHK from exTEXT
  end if
end mouseDown

the coloured line throws a "big, bad, bluey".

Richmond.
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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On 1/9/2018 2:50 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 13:15, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I've already shovelled Ruyton of the Eleven Towns quite effectively:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7r7u0c2m9ny3eb/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0 



No tokenising, in fact very basic stuff indeed.

Not wishing to bang on about over-complcating things . . . . .


There is actually a 'correct' more shovelistic approach (at least I 
*think* this is correct):


-- Ensure all punctuation is surrounded by space
repeat for each char tPuncChar in ",.';:()[]{}<>!@£$%^&*-_+=~`?/\|#€" 
& quote

  replace tPuncChar with space & tPuncChar & space in tText
end repeat


Thats a "point" (pun intended) as I just fell foul of a full stop.


-- Ensure all whitespace is space
replace return with space in tText
replace tab with space in tText

-- Ensure there is never two spaces next to each other in tText
repeat while tText contains "  "
  replace "  " with " " in tText
end repeat

-- Ensure there is only ever one space between words in phrases
repeat while tPhrases contains "  "
  replace "  " with " " in tPhrases
end repeat

-- We can now use an itemDelimiter of space
set the itemDelimiter to space

-- Sort the phrases by descending word length.
sort lines of tPhrases descending numeric by the number of items in each

-- Now check for, and remove each phrase from the source text in turn
set the wholeMatches to true
repeat for each line tPhrase in tPhrases
  -- If the phrase is not present then skip to the next
  if itemOffset(tPhrase, tText) is 0 then
next repeat
  end if

  -- Accumulate the phrase on the output list
  put tPhrase & return after tFoundPhrases

  -- Remove the phrase from the input text (we assume here that * does 
not appear in any phrase)

  replace tPhrase with "*" in tText
end repeat

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. The above will be reasonable quick for small sets of phrases / 
small source texts - but I think as the size of either increases it 
will get very slow, very quickly!





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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

It didn't like this:

on mouseDown
   put empty into fld "zText"
   if fld "xText" contains "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns." then
  put fld "xText" into fld "zText"
  put "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns." into CHUNNK
put empty into CHUNNK of fld "zText"
  end if
*end mouseDown**
**
**Richmond.*

On 1/9/2018 2:25 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 13:15, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I've already shovelled Ruyton of the Eleven Towns quite effectively:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7r7u0c2m9ny3eb/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0 



No tokenising, in fact very basic stuff indeed.

Not wishing to bang on about over-complcating things . . . . .


Your revised approach is fine - as long as the names of all the towns 
are distinct in terms of no one town's name is contained within another.


Add 'Palm Beach West' and 'Palm Beach' to your placeNames list; then 
modify your source text to end 'or Palm Beach West' - and you 
algorithm does not perform the requested operation.


It reports Palm Beach West *and* Palm Beach as being present - 
whereas, only 'Palm Beach West' is present :D


Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On 1/9/2018 2:25 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 13:15, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I've already shovelled Ruyton of the Eleven Towns quite effectively:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7r7u0c2m9ny3eb/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0 



No tokenising, in fact very basic stuff indeed.

Not wishing to bang on about over-complcating things . . . . .


Your revised approach is fine - as long as the names of all the towns 
are distinct in terms of no one town's name is contained within another.


Blast!

Of course "my next trick" is to work out how to delete multi-word names 
(i.e. phrases) from a textField.


Richmond.


Add 'Palm Beach West' and 'Palm Beach' to your placeNames list; then 
modify your source text to end 'or Palm Beach West' - and you 
algorithm does not perform the requested operation.


It reports Palm Beach West *and* Palm Beach as being present - 
whereas, only 'Palm Beach West' is present :D


Warmest Regards,

Mark.




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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I've already shovelled Ruyton of the Eleven Towns quite effectively:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7r7u0c2m9ny3eb/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0

No tokenising, in fact very basic stuff indeed.

Not wishing to bang on about over-complcating things . . . . .

Probably time for both Thee and Me to get out and get some fresh air 
before we ruin our weekends.


Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 2:05 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 12:50, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Yup: indeed: fairly coarse.

However, see my next posting re "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns"

that should make some folk feel that they need a set of sewing needles
rather than "just" a silver teaspoon.


I think you'll find my 'silver teaspoon' approach (as you put it) 
deals with all those cases :D


Interestingly, as I said, the multi-word match problem can be reduced 
to your 'shovel' - with pre and post processing.


Let's say that the phrase list is:

  Ruyton of the Eleven Towns
  East Hartfordshire
  Colchester
  Chester

First create a mapping from phrase words to individual characters (the 
choice of character is arbitrary):


  Ruyton <-> A
  of <-> B
  the <-> C
  Eleven <-> D
  Towns <-> E
  East <-> F
  Hartfordshire <-> G
  Colchester <-> H
  Chester <-> I

Now iterate through the source text, generating an output source text 
consisting of words from the new alphabet, and a 'unknown' letter '*'. 
For example:


  The man from Ruyton of the Eleven Towns, who is of the order of 
shovels, travelled from Chester to Colchester via the towns in East 
Hartfordshire


Would become:

  C**ABCDE**BC*B***I*H**E*FG

The original phrase list is processed similarly to give:

  ABCDE
  FG
  H
  I

Searching the transformed source text using your algorithm with the 
list of transformed phrases would give the correct set of found 
phrases as required by the original problem.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Yup: indeed: fairly coarse.

However, see my next posting re "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns"

that should make some folk feel that they need a set of sewing needles 
rather than "just" a silver teaspoon.


Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 1:45 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 12:35, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

That's because you lot tend to use a silver teaspoon while I tend to
use a great big shovel:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/00t8oftb1ydm8ni/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0 



Heh, great big shovels are great for coarse work - e.g. for the 
problem of finding occurrences of SINGLE WORD towns in the source text 
- as you are in your stack.


However, in this case, that wasn't what was asked for - the problem 
was to find multi-word town names with the constraints that first and 
longest match always wins with no overlap (i.e. as a human would read 
them):


i.e. East Hartford West Palm Beach Colchester Newchester West Chester

With a town list of

   East Hartford
   Hartford West
   West Palm Beach
   Palm Beach
   Chester
   West Chester

Should return:

   East Hartford
   West Palm Beach
   West Chester

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. The problem is actually exactly the same - in the single-word 
case your alphabet are the characters in the language. In the 
multi-word case, your alphabet is the set of words in all phrases, 
with a 'stop' word.




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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I can see that the "problem", which my stack does not address, is with 2 
or 3 part place names:


The Rochester/Chester problem is easily dealt with.

While it should be realtively easy to have a subroutine to deal with 
words such as "West" (after all, there are no places just called "West"),
places like a town my parents once lived in called "Haselbury Plucknett" 
would cause problems.


AND, places such as "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns" 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruyton-XI-Towns)

would really throw a spanner in the works.

Come to think of things . . .

Unless anyone's code can cope with "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns" it won't 
stand up: we could even go further and call

this the "Ruyton of the Eleven Towns Test".

More muffled background noises.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 1:29 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 12:05, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Obviously, when considering names of places such as Colchester,
Rochester and Chester one has
to search for the longer names first and exclude them from later 
searches.


The 'substring' problem (i.e. Chester being 'in' Rochester) isn't 
relevant in the above algorithm because we are 'tokenising' input and 
phrases - essentially changing the alphabet.


i.e. "Rochester Chester Colchester" is turned into ABC, and we match 
A, B or C as atomic units.


I should perhaps point out that the 'processText' operation probably 
needs to be a little better in practice - to at least include a 'stop' 
token for punctuation. For example:


  "The man walked starting from East Hartford, West Hartford could be 
seen in the distance."


In the case where 'Hartford West' and 'Hartford' are the 'known' towns 
(and not 'East Hartford') - the proposed tokenization would result in:


The,man,walked,starting,from,East,Hartford,West,Hartford,could,be,seen,in,the,distance

Which means you'd get "Hartford West" and "Hartford" - when you should 
only get "Hartford" (assuming you care about the linguistic structure 
of the text, at least).


Indeed, the above actually means in preprocessing the text, you can 
actually vastly reduce the number of words to search - any sequences 
of words which aren't in any pharse (or important punctuation) can be 
replaced by "*" say. So the above would become:


  *,East,Hartford,*,West,Hartford,*

The "*" tokens block matching multi-word phrases.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That's because you lot tend to use a silver teaspoon while I tend to use 
a great big shovel:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/00t8oftb1ydm8ni/Text%20analyzer%20X.livecode.zip?dl=0

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 1:29 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 12:05, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Obviously, when considering names of places such as Colchester,
Rochester and Chester one has
to search for the longer names first and exclude them from later 
searches.


The 'substring' problem (i.e. Chester being 'in' Rochester) isn't 
relevant in the above algorithm because we are 'tokenising' input and 
phrases - essentially changing the alphabet.


i.e. "Rochester Chester Colchester" is turned into ABC, and we match 
A, B or C as atomic units.


I should perhaps point out that the 'processText' operation probably 
needs to be a little better in practice - to at least include a 'stop' 
token for punctuation. For example:


  "The man walked starting from East Hartford, West Hartford could be 
seen in the distance."


In the case where 'Hartford West' and 'Hartford' are the 'known' towns 
(and not 'East Hartford') - the proposed tokenization would result in:


The,man,walked,starting,from,East,Hartford,West,Hartford,could,be,seen,in,the,distance

Which means you'd get "Hartford West" and "Hartford" - when you should 
only get "Hartford" (assuming you care about the linguistic structure 
of the text, at least).


Indeed, the above actually means in preprocessing the text, you can 
actually vastly reduce the number of words to search - any sequences 
of words which aren't in any pharse (or important punctuation) can be 
replaced by "*" say. So the above would become:


  *,East,Hartford,*,West,Hartford,*

The "*" tokens block matching multi-word phrases.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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Re: Searching for a word when it's more than one word

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Obviously, when considering names of places such as Colchester, 
Rochester and Chester one has

to search for the longer names first and exclude them from later searches.

Richmond.

On 1/9/2018 12:59 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On 2018-09-01 06:48, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote:

Hi All,

First, followed Keith Clarke’s thread and got a lot out of it, thank
you all. That’s gone into my code snippets!

Now I know, the title is not technically true, if it’s 2 words, they
are distinct and different. Maybe it’s because I’ve been banging my
head against this and some other things too long and need to step
back, but I’m having issues getting this all to work reliably.

I’m searching for town names in various text from a list of towns .
Most names are one word, easy to find and count. Some names are 2 or 3
words, like East Hartford or West Palm Beach. Those go against
distinct towns like Hartford and Palm Beach. Others have their names
inside of other town names like Colchester and Chester.


So the problem you are trying to solve sounds like this:

Given a source text TEXT, and a list of multi-word phrases PHRASES, 
find the longest elements of PHRASES which occur in TEXT when reading 
from left to right.


One way to do this is to preprocess the source TEXT and PHRASES, and 
then iterate over it with back-tracking attempting to match each 
phrase in the list.


Preprocessing can be done like this:

  // pText is arbitrary language text, where it presumed 'trueWord' 
will extract

  // the words we can match against those in PHRASES
  command preprocessText pText, @rWords
local tWords
repeat for each trueWord tWord in pText
  -- normalize word variants - e.g. turn Chester's into Chester
  if tWord ends with "'s" then
put char 1 to -3 of tWord into tWord
  else if ... then
...
  else if ... then
...
  end if
  put tWord into tWords[the number of elements in tWords + 1]
end repeat
put tWords into rWords
  end preprocessText

This gives a sequence of words, in order - where word variants have 
been normalized to the 'root' word (the general operation here is 
called 'stemming' - in your case as you are dealing with fragments of 
proper nouns - 's / s suffixes are probably good enough).


The processing for PHRASES is needed to ensure that they all follow a 
consistent form:


  // pPhrases is presumed to be a return-delimited list of phrases
  command preprocessPhrases pPhrases, @rPhrases
-- We accumulate phrases as the keys of tPhrasesA to eliminate 
duplicates

local tPhrasesA
put empty into tPhrasesA

local tPhrases
repeat for each line tPhrase in pPhrases
  local tPhrase
  put empty into tPhrase
  repeat for each trueWord tWord in tPhrase
put tWord & space after tPhrase
  end repeat
  delete the last char of tPhrase
  put true into tPhrasesA[tPhrase]
end repeat

put the keys of tPhrasesA into rPhrases
  end preprocessPhrases

This produces a return-delimited list of phrases, where the individual 
words in each phrase are separated by a *single* space with all 
punctuation stripped, and no phrase appears twice.


With this pre-processing (not the PHRASES pre-processing only needs to 
be done once for any set of PHRASES to match). A naive search 
algorithm would be:


  // pText should be a sequence array of words to search (we use an 
array here because we need fast random access)
  // pPhrases should be a line delimited string-list of multi-word 
phrases to find

  // rMatches will be a string-list of phrases which have been found
  command searchTextForPhrases pText, pPhrases, @rMatches
local tMatchesA
put empty into tMatchesA

-- Our phrases are single-space delimited, so set the item delimiter
set the itemDelimiter to space

-- Loop through pText, by default we bump tIndex by one each time
-- however, if a match is found, then we can skip the words 
constituting

-- the matched phrase.
local tIndex
put 1 into tIndex
repeat until pText[tIndex] is empty
  -- Store the current longest match we have found starting at tIndex
  local tCurrentMatch
  put empty into tCurrentMatch

  -- Check each phrase in turn for a match.
  repeat for each line tPhrase in pPhrases
-- Assume a match succeeds until it doesn't
local tPhraseMatched
put true into tPhraseMatched

-- Iterate through the items (words) in each phrase, if the 
sequence of
-- words in the phrase is not the same as the sequence of 
words in the text
-- starting at tIndex, then tPhraseMatched will be false on 
exit of the loop.

local tSubIndex
put tIndex into tSubIndex
repeat for each item tWord in tPhrase
  -- Failure to match the word at tSubIndex is failure to 
match the phrase

  if pText[tSubIndex] is not tWord then
put false into tPhraseMatched

Re: Deleting a char inside a textField via code

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Not much help forthcoming around these parts: so: Diddit masen:

*on mouseUp**
**   put the selectedChunk into CHK**
**   put word 4 of CHK into NUMERO**
**   delete char NUMERO of fld "ff"**
**end mouseUp*

muffled rude noises.

Richmond.
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Re: Deleting a char inside a textField via code

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

What is unfortunate is that these "possibilities" are not possible:

delete before the selectedText

delete after the selectedText

and THIS works ONLY when some text is selected (rather than before the 
insertion point):


delete the selectedText

there seems to be no obvious way to work out what the character before 
the insertion point is.


While it is perfectly possible to do something like this:

select before char 15 of fld "myText"

it does not seem possible to do something like this:

put the selected  and get "before char 15"

What I am looking for (just in case it seems obscure) is how
to delete the char just before the insertion point without having to 
touch the delete key

on my keyboard.

Richmond.

On 31/8/2018 9:30 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

If you want to delete the last characters by script, why not something like:

delete last char of fld X

Or a more complex version might be

put the selectedChunk into tWhere
put word 2 of tWhere into tStart -- staring char position of the cursor
put word 4 of tWhere into tEnd -- ending char position of the cursor
if tStart > tEnd then -- just an insertion point
   delete char tEnd of field X -- delete the character just before the
insertion point
else -- some field content is selected, so
   delete char tStart to tEnd of fld X -- delete the selected field content
end if

I did this from memory, so check the dictionary for the exact
expressions returned by the selectedChunk function.,

On 8/31/2018 1:57 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Digging further . . .

I found out that the problem appearas:

1. NOT to be with LiveCode.

2. NOT to be with MacOS.

Because using a font other than my one works well.

So?

What hidden aspects of my Devawriter.ttf font are gumming up the works?

Richmond.

On 31/8/2018 6:44 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Normally, if one were typing into a textField and made a mistake one
would hit the back delete key
and the mistake would vanish.

How does one do this "programmatically"?

Here's the (admittedly odd scenario):

Unicode behaves inconsistently in various marginal cases with
Devanagari script,
and what happens is that the first time one sends this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

one ends up with a useless square.

But if one does this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText
put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

one ends up with the useless square PRECEDED by the target glyph.

So, the 'clever' work around might be to do this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText
put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

followed by deleting the useless square

However doing this:

put numToCodePoint(65288) after the selectedText

results in another useless square.

Richmond.

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Re: Deleting a char inside a textField via code

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thanks

On 31/8/2018 9:30 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

If you want to delete the last characters by script, why not something like:

delete last char of fld X


This works, of course, if it is the last char in the field.


Or a more complex version might be

put the selectedChunk into tWhere
put word 2 of tWhere into tStart -- staring char position of the cursor
put word 4 of tWhere into tEnd -- ending char position of the cursor
if tStart > tEnd then -- just an insertion point
   delete char tEnd of field X -- delete the character just before the
insertion point
else -- some field content is selected, so
   delete char tStart to tEnd of fld X -- delete the selected field content
end if


While this sort of thing works it mucks up the font settings of the 
field (and I'm using fields with multiple font settings).


I did this from memory, so check the dictionary for the exact
expressions returned by the selectedChunk function.,


Richmond.


On 8/31/2018 1:57 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Digging further . . .

I found out that the problem appearas:

1. NOT to be with LiveCode.

2. NOT to be with MacOS.

Because using a font other than my one works well.

So?

What hidden aspects of my Devawriter.ttf font are gumming up the works?

Richmond.

On 31/8/2018 6:44 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Normally, if one were typing into a textField and made a mistake one
would hit the back delete key
and the mistake would vanish.

How does one do this "programmatically"?

Here's the (admittedly odd scenario):

Unicode behaves inconsistently in various marginal cases with
Devanagari script,
and what happens is that the first time one sends this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

one ends up with a useless square.

But if one does this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText
put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

one ends up with the useless square PRECEDED by the target glyph.

So, the 'clever' work around might be to do this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText
put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

followed by deleting the useless square

However doing this:

put numToCodePoint(65288) after the selectedText

results in another useless square.

Richmond.

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Re: Deleting a char inside a textField via code

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Digging further . . .

I found out that the problem appearas:

1. NOT to be with LiveCode.

2. NOT to be with MacOS.

Because using a font other than my one works well.

So?

What hidden aspects of my Devawriter.ttf font are gumming up the works?

Richmond.

On 31/8/2018 6:44 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Normally, if one were typing into a textField and made a mistake one 
would hit the back delete key

and the mistake would vanish.

How does one do this "programmatically"?

Here's the (admittedly odd scenario):

Unicode behaves inconsistently in various marginal cases with 
Devanagari script,

and what happens is that the first time one sends this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

one ends up with a useless square.

But if one does this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText
put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

one ends up with the useless square PRECEDED by the target glyph.

So, the 'clever' work around might be to do this:

put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText
put numToCodePoint(7418) after the selectedText

followed by deleting the useless square

However doing this:

put numToCodePoint(65288) after the selectedText

results in another useless square.

Richmond.


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