Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[David Glasgow via use-livecode]

It was a single problem, but the poor fellow was in hock up to the ears and out 
of time. 

If there is anything positive here it is the response of the community. No 
lectures on what he should have done different, just genuine concern and an 
astonishingly quick fix. 

Best wishes 

David Glasgow

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> On 4 May 2018, at 11:07, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I still think for a  client to pull away like that with  a single problem
> that was not insurmountable
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

That's superhuman Monte.

The last time I remember a company making a fix this quick was when I
posted a bug to the Foxpro people (before they were bought out by
Microsoft).

It logged on with  a 2400 Baud Modem to there "BBS" to get a patched
runtime file back  just over 2 hours - probably took longer to download
than fix.
I still think for a  client to pull away like that with  a single problem
that was not insurmountable didn't augur well for future relationships.

I just hope Sean is reading this list.


Regards Lagi

On 4 May 2018 at 02:47, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> I realise it may be too late to recover with your client now but I have
> mergGoogle working with google’s OAuth library GTMAppAuth.
>
> The new lcext file is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/
> 2vuu3jed0dp3wai/mergGoogle.lcext?dl=0
> Updated docs are here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/
> xy62zhetu7yt20r/api.lcdoc?dl=0  xy62zhetu7yt20r/api.lcdoc?dl=0>
>
> The main difference is you need to add your client id reversed as a custom
> url scheme to your app and if you get the `urlWakeUp` message with a url
> for that scheme then you call `mergGoogleAuthResume` with the url. On iOS
> 11+ you don’t need to do that as it uses SFAuthenticationSession which has
> a built in callback. Happy to chat you through it if that helps.
>
> Hoping you are OK
>
> Monte
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

Hi Sean

I realise it may be too late to recover with your client now but I have 
mergGoogle working with google’s OAuth library GTMAppAuth.

The new lcext file is here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vuu3jed0dp3wai/mergGoogle.lcext?dl=0
Updated docs are here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy62zhetu7yt20r/api.lcdoc?dl=0 


The main difference is you need to add your client id reversed as a custom url 
scheme to your app and if you get the `urlWakeUp` message with a url for that 
scheme then you call `mergGoogleAuthResume` with the url. On iOS 11+ you don’t 
need to do that as it uses SFAuthenticationSession which has a built in 
callback. Happy to chat you through it if that helps.

Hoping you are OK

Monte
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

The issue is google no longer allow you to use webviews in app to do OAuth. So 
basically this rules out anything that doesn’t open up an OS browser. The 
fastest way to resolve this for mergGoogle is to change to using GTMAppAuth 
from GTMOAuth2. It may be that the OAuth2 library can do what’s needed in pure 
LCS (with a few feature additions) by following the implementation details here 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8252 ,  
however, as I’d still need to modify mergGoogle to pass it the auth token I 
think the first step is updating that separately. Hopefully, getting Sean out 
of some of his hot water in the process although from the sounds of things it 
may be too late for that.

> On 3 May 2018, at 10:05 am, zryip theSlug via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if this would help, but I have native LC code for OAuth2
> working with the google API on LC 8 and 9. I was using it with the google
> calendar API in an experimental lib last year and the code still working.
> Drop me a note and I could send you what I have.

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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[zryip theSlug via use-livecode]

Hi,

I don't know if this would help, but I have native LC code for OAuth2
working with the google API on LC 8 and 9. I was using it with the google
calendar API in an experimental lib last year and the code still working.
Drop me a note and I could send you what I have.



On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It seems from the blog link you
> posted there was a notice on the iOS consent page. We weren’t notified in
> any other way and do not have a bug report open about this. It seems
> neither us, nor any of our users noticed the notice… anyway, we are here
> now and ready to help.
>
> From the sounds of things our OAuth2 script library won’t work for Google
> either so that isn’t an option. I’m looking for alternatives right now.
>
> If there is any chance of recovery with your clients please let me know if
> there is a new deadline to work to and I will do my best to get it done.
>
> Monte
>
> > On 2 May 2018, at 8:55 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> > deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> > clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> > And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> > Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
> > to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> >
> >
> > Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> this??
> > I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
> > Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
> get
> > fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
> > it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
> >
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > www.pidigital.co.uk
> >
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

I have opened this bug report for mergGoogle

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21255 


I will need to change the api of mergGoogle as you will need to hand it the url 
you get in the urlWakeUp message.

This one is an enhancement request for the OAuth2 library to use AppAuth on 
platforms that can:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21256 


> On 3 May 2018, at 8:50 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean
> 
> I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It seems from the blog link you 
> posted there was a notice on the iOS consent page. We weren’t notified in any 
> other way and do not have a bug report open about this. It seems neither us, 
> nor any of our users noticed the notice… anyway, we are here now and ready to 
> help.
> 
> From the sounds of things our OAuth2 script library won’t work for Google 
> either so that isn’t an option. I’m looking for alternatives right now.
> 
> If there is any chance of recovery with your clients please let me know if 
> there is a new deadline to work to and I will do my best to get it done.
> 
> Monte
> 
>> On 2 May 2018, at 8:55 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
>> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
>> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
>> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
>> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
>> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
>> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
>> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
>> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
>> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
>> 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> www.pidigital.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

Hi Sean

I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It seems from the blog link you posted 
there was a notice on the iOS consent page. We weren’t notified in any other 
way and do not have a bug report open about this. It seems neither us, nor any 
of our users noticed the notice… anyway, we are here now and ready to help.

From the sounds of things our OAuth2 script library won’t work for Google 
either so that isn’t an option. I’m looking for alternatives right now.

If there is any chance of recovery with your clients please let me know if 
there is a new deadline to work to and I will do my best to get it done.

Monte

> On 2 May 2018, at 8:55 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> 
> 
> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
> 
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> 
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi All

I have set it up - but I want to have the money go directly to Sean

Ive just read that if I put seans email address in it will send him an
invite so he will be the only one able to withdraw funds.

I am waiting his acceptance but I think we can add to it without him
accepting -I HAVE NO WAY OF WITHDRAWING MONEY FROM THIS ACCOUNT.


https://www.gofundme.com/scemergency


On 2 May 2018 at 18:25, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Lagi,
> This is an excellent idea and a tangible expression of our caring for Sean
> and a way to help. After all, we are a community that can reach out in
> various ways to help each other, and what better way to step up?
>
> Can you post a link to the account?
> Maybe good if his name is on it, so it will be searchable by text we can
> guess.
>
> Bill
>
>
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell
> me
> > do we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?
> >
> > Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his
>  card
> > account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money
> so
> > I Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
> > - I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and
> his
> > situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his
> > family - I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in
> the
> > end - Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little
> > helps.
> >
> > Kindest Regards Lagi
> >
> > On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sean,
> >> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have
> been
> >> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> >> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the
> best.
> >> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had
> time
> >> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
> >>
> >> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
> >>
> >> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> >> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come
> out
> >> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> >> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> >> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> >> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something
> is
> >> learned.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> William Prothero
> >> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >>
> >>> On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> >>> You can recover from this.
> >>>
> >>> There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> >> else.
> >>> You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> >>> thing working.
> >>> Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was
> NOT
> >>> YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> >>> If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> >>> work in the first place...
> >>>
> >>> personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of
> tech.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> >>> mixstream.org
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> >> Spent
>  it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> >> morning so
>  I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly
> p'd. I
>  have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can
> or
>  cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> >> never
>  get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can
> come
>  back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
>  abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> >> wife
>  and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> >> for
>  making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> 
>  Bye
> 
> 
>  On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I¹m 

RE: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Lagi , I'm in. Let me know how to help.

Sean,
I don't "Share" EVER. I don't even have(and never will if I can avoid it) a FB 
account But here it is for what it's worth:

I was working for a major bank in the 80s. I was in Tokyo and I started a 
backup and used the current tape instead of the previous tape(that had not had 
a backup written to it yet). The backup was just starting when the hard drive 
failed. I'll never forget the image engrained in my mind of going back to the 
hotel and the programmer who had been working on this for a couple of months 
holding his plate with a steak on it at the door while I told him all the code 
was lost. I was using one tape and decided to do an a/b set so this would not 
happen but screwed up. I was thinking of going to the roof of the Akasaka 
Prince hotel and Well I relaxed and addressed it. Everyone understood(as 
much as could be expected) and we all pulled together and I was able to dump 
some of the raw data off the drive and get back some of the code. The 
programmer re-wrote the rest of it eliminating the spaghetti code. And the 
higher ups worked with us to deflect much of the fire. Our app was on those big 
screens on Tokyo Stock Exchange floor so you can imagine the pressure of the 
world's financial markets on your shoulders. Cooler heads prevailed and I came 
out the other side with a few bruises but better off in the long run. A better 
product and a lesson well learned.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

Hi All

I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell me do 
we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?

Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his   card
account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money so I 
Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
- I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and his 
situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his family - 
I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in the end - 
Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little helps.

Kindest Regards Lagi

On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode < 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have 
> been someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. 
> Please know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the 
> best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had 
> time to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital 
> stay where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to 
> come out of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness 
> of Friends who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting 
> back to bike riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. 
> Consequences of some of these random events eventually disappear and 
> we hope something is learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for 
> > something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get 
> > this thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening 
> > was NOT YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve 
> > your work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < 
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it al

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Yeah; had a heart attack and a bloody great (quite literally) thrombosis 
3 years ago: fitted with 5 stents.


So: what to do? Well, I certainly wasn't going to lie there in the bed 
moaning my fate like all the losers in the hospital ward:


practised my Bulgarian flirting with the nurses, did some LiveCode 
programming on a laptop, got a bloke to come round
and measure me up for a coffin (just in case) . . . shared some fairly 
black jokes with him: a first for an undertaker in

the world of gloomy Slavs!

But, surprise, surprise, the Devil obviously loves me, as here I am, as 
big a pain in the bum as ever.


Bounce back, Sean, bounce back.

Love, Richmond.

On 2/5/2018 7:42 pm, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Sean,
I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been 
someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please know 
that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best. Please 
take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time to consider 
carefully. Perspectives often change with time.

Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.

FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay where I 
nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out of it a 
little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends who cared for 
me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike riding, outrigger 
canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of some of these random 
events eventually disappear and we hope something is learned.


Best wishes and peace, brother,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org


On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
You can recover from this.

There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.

Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
thing working.
Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
work in the first place...

personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.


--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).

Bye


On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Sean,

I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.

If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One

of

the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have

given

us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.

Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to

stay

on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.

At

present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
at what needs to be updated.

Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Lagi,
This is an excellent idea and a tangible expression of our caring for Sean and 
a way to help. After all, we are a community that can reach out in various ways 
to help each other, and what better way to step up?

Can you post a link to the account?
Maybe good if his name is on it, so it will be searchable by text we can guess.

Bill


William A. Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On May 2, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell me
> do we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?
> 
> Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his   card
> account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money so
> I Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
> - I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and his
> situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his
> family - I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in the
> end - Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little
> helps.
> 
> Kindest Regards Lagi
> 
> On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sean,
>> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
>> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
>> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
>> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
>> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>> 
>> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>> 
>> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
>> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
>> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
>> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
>> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
>> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
>> learned.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes and peace, brother,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
>>> You can recover from this.
>>> 
>>> There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
>> else.
>>> You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
>>> thing working.
>>> Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
>>> YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
>>> If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
>>> work in the first place...
>>> 
>>> personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>>> mixstream.org
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
>> Spent
 it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
>> morning so
 I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
 have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
 cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
>> never
 get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
 back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
 abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
>> wife
 and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
>> for
 making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
 
 Bye
 
 
 On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> 
> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
>> been
> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
>> situation
> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
>> customers
> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
>> issues
> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
 of
> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Dear Sean, I hope that the dark clouds pass and you can gain clarity on
what you can do to fix the situation.  Software is hard to get right
especially when there are different development teams involved.  Maybe its
Apple, maybe its Livecode.. maybe its both that could have done something
better, sooner.

However, it is best that you empower yourself to ask what you can do to fix
the situation ...and maybe something will come to mind.

Take a nap, meditate, and clear your mind so that a solution can come to
you.

All the best Sean

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:42 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
> learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> > thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> > YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> > work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> morning so
> >> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> >> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> >> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> never
> >> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> >> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> >> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> wife
> >> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> for
> >> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> >>
> >> Bye
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >>>
> >>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
> been
> >>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> >>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
> situation
> >>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
> customers
> >>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
> issues
> >>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> >> of
> >>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> >>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> >>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> >> given
> >>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >>>
> >>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> >>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> >>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes.
> For
> >>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> >> stay
> >>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> >> At
> >>> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> >>> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a
> look
> >>> at what needs to 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi All

If I wasn't clear as to why I asked the question about gofundme - it's
because people don't want their lives "on social media" and gofundme is
probably as social as it get - lets keep it private between us.

Regards Lagi


On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
> learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> > thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> > YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> > work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> morning so
> >> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> >> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> >> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> never
> >> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> >> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> >> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> wife
> >> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> for
> >> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> >>
> >> Bye
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >>>
> >>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
> been
> >>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> >>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
> situation
> >>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
> customers
> >>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
> issues
> >>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> >> of
> >>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> >>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> >>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> >> given
> >>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >>>
> >>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> >>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> >>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes.
> For
> >>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> >> stay
> >>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> >> At
> >>> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> >>> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a
> look
> >>> at what needs to be updated.
> >>>
> >>> Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do
> require
> >>> a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how
> important
> >>> this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> Kevin 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi All

I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell me
do we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?

Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his   card
account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money so
I Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
- I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and his
situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his
family - I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in the
end - Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little
helps.

Kindest Regards Lagi

On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
> learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> > thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> > YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> > work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> morning so
> >> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> >> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> >> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> never
> >> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> >> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> >> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> wife
> >> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> for
> >> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> >>
> >> Bye
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >>>
> >>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
> been
> >>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> >>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
> situation
> >>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
> customers
> >>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
> issues
> >>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> >> of
> >>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> >>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> >>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> >> given
> >>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >>>
> >>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> >>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> >>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes.
> For
> >>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> >> stay
> >>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> >> At
> >>> present Monte is asleep - yes 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Sean,
I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been 
someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please know 
that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best. Please 
take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time to consider 
carefully. Perspectives often change with time.

Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.

FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay where I 
nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out of it a 
little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends who cared for 
me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike riding, outrigger 
canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of some of these random 
events eventually disappear and we hope something is learned.


Best wishes and peace, brother,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> You can recover from this.
> 
> There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> 
> Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
> You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> thing working.
> Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> work in the first place...
> 
> personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
>> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
>> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
>> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
>> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
>> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
>> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
>> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
>> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
>> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
>> 
>> Bye
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> 
>>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
>>> 
>>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
>>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
>>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
>>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
>>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
>>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
>> of
>>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
>>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
>>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
>> given
>>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
>>> 
>>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
>>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
>>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
>>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
>> stay
>>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
>> At
>>> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
>>> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
>>> at what needs to be updated.
>>> 
>>> Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
>>> a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
>>> this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
You can recover from this.

There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.

Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
thing working.
Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
work in the first place...

personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.


--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
>
> Bye
>
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >
> > If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
> > in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> > occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
> > is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
> > and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
> > and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> of
> > the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> > industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> > beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> given
> > us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >
> > Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> > hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> > compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
> > whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> stay
> > on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> At
> > present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> > wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
> > at what needs to be updated.
> >
> > Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
> > a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
> > this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> >
> >
> >
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[AndyP via use-livecode]

Hello Sean,

I don't know you personally but I hope you take on board my sincere personal
message to you.

It sounds like you are in a very bad place at the moment. Please do not do
anything rash, try to get some sleep and let your emotions settle. Then talk
to your wife or if that's to difficult at the moment someone you trust, it
won't be an easy conversation but you need to discuss the way you feel and
try and find a path forward.


Andy Piddock




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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).

Bye


On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
>
> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One of
> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have given
> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
>
> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to stay
> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward. At
> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
> at what needs to be updated.
>
> Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
> a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
> this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>
>
>
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Kevin Miller via use-livecode]

Hi Sean,

I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.

If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One of
the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have given
us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.

Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to stay
on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward. At
present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
at what needs to be updated.

Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
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On 02/05/2018, 15:27, "use-livecode on behalf of Andre Garzia via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Sean,
>
>Do you have a support package? They don't monitor this list close, it
>might
>be better to call them over the phone while sending a direct email to
>Heather. At least this is somewhat fixable on their side. I remember when
>I
>lost a ton of money when Apple decided that only Obj-C/Cocoa apps would be
>allowed on the store at the same time I was supposed to deliver a project.
>
>This kind of setback happens to everyone in the long run when we're using
>APIs outside our control. My advise would be to ping RunRev directly while
>calling the client, explaining that google deprecated a technology used in
>the project and thus it requires an extension.
>
>On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response
>>from LC
>> still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
>> have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
>> dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would
>>not
>> have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I
>>would
>> have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained
>>on
>> and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
>> one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
>> guess this is goodbye.
>>
>> Sean Cole
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> www.pidigital.co.uk
>> +44(1634)402193
>> +44(7702)116447
>> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
>>no
>> box!'
>> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
>>of,
>> but it is yourself!'
>>
>> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>>
>> On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround
>>so
>> > that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not).
>>v9 is
>> > > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and
>> virtually
>> > > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it
>>is
>> > > actually fully operational.
>> > >
>> > > Sean Cole
>> > > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> > > www.pidigital.co.uk
>> > > +44(1634)402193
>> > > +44(7702)116447
>> > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There
>>is
>> no
>> > > box!'
>> > > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look
>>outside
>> > of,
>> > > but it is yourself!'
>> > >
>> > > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> > > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>> > >
>> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
>> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Sean,
>> > > >
>> > > > I feel your pain 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

My apologies I didn't realize the gravity of your situation until I read the 
rest of the posts. 

> On May 2, 2018, at 07:39 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 2, 2018, at 03:55 , Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> My clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> 
> For God's sake tell them not to shoot him while he is still airborne!!!
> 
> Bob S
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

> On May 2, 2018, at 03:55 , Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> My clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).

For God's sake tell them not to shoot him while he is still airborne!!!

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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Sean,

Do you have a support package? They don't monitor this list close, it might
be better to call them over the phone while sending a direct email to
Heather. At least this is somewhat fixable on their side. I remember when I
lost a ton of money when Apple decided that only Obj-C/Cocoa apps would be
allowed on the store at the same time I was supposed to deliver a project.

This kind of setback happens to everyone in the long run when we're using
APIs outside our control. My advise would be to ping RunRev directly while
calling the client, explaining that google deprecated a technology used in
the project and thus it requires an extension.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response from LC
> still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
> have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
> dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would not
> have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I would
> have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained on
> and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
> one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
> guess this is goodbye.
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> +44(1634)402193
> +44(7702)116447
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
>
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround so
> > that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
> > > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and
> virtually
> > > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
> > > actually fully operational.
> > >
> > > Sean Cole
> > > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > > www.pidigital.co.uk
> > > +44(1634)402193
> > > +44(7702)116447
> > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
> no
> > > box!'
> > > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> > of,
> > > but it is yourself!'
> > >
> > > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> > > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
> > >
> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Sean,
> > > >
> > > > I feel your pain really!
> > > >
> > > > Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work -
> > maybe
> > > > that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> > > > dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards Lagi
> > > >
> > > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our
> > > slot
> > > > > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London
> > > there
> > > > > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face
> > > another
> > > > > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any
> chance
> > of
> > > > > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something
> > similar
> > > I
> > > > > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> > > > bug!!).
> > > > > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this
> back.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean Cole
> > > > > Pi Digital
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple
> lists
> > we
> > > > > could
> > > > > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?
> > > I'm
> > > > > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a
> > few
> > > > > > nights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been
> documenting,
> > > > > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping
> > > support
> > > > > from
> > > > > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response from LC
still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would not
have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I would
have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained on
and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
guess this is goodbye.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
+44(1634)402193
+44(7702)116447
'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround so
> that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
> > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and virtually
> > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
> > actually fully operational.
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > www.pidigital.co.uk
> > +44(1634)402193
> > +44(7702)116447
> > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> > box!'
> > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> of,
> > but it is yourself!'
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
> >
> > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sean,
> > >
> > > I feel your pain really!
> > >
> > > Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work -
> maybe
> > > that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> > > dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards Lagi
> > >
> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our
> > slot
> > > > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London
> > there
> > > > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face
> > another
> > > > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance
> of
> > > > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something
> similar
> > I
> > > > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> > > bug!!).
> > > > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
> > > >
> > > > Sean Cole
> > > > Pi Digital
> > > >
> > > > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists
> we
> > > > could
> > > > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?
> > I'm
> > > > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a
> few
> > > > > nights.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> > > > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping
> > support
> > > > from
> > > > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018
> was
> > > > >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and
> > cost
> > > me
> > > > >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve
> > got
> > > > very
> > > > >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get
> LC
> > > > >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it,
> will
> > > be
> > > > in
> > > > >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC.
> > And
> > > > not
> > > > >> for the first time!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sean Cole
> > > > >> Pi Digital
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for
> me
> > > just
> > > > 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround so
that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
> basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and virtually
> unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
> actually fully operational.
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> +44(1634)402193
> +44(7702)116447
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
>
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I feel your pain really!
> >
> > Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work - maybe
> > that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> > dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
> >
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
> > On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our
> slot
> > > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London
> there
> > > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face
> another
> > > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of
> > > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar
> I
> > > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> > bug!!).
> > > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
> > >
> > > Sean Cole
> > > Pi Digital
> > >
> > > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we
> > > could
> > > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?
> I'm
> > > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> > > > nights.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> > > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping
> support
> > > from
> > > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> > > >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> > > >>
> > > >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and
> cost
> > me
> > > >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve
> got
> > > very
> > > >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> > > >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will
> > be
> > > in
> > > >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC.
> And
> > > not
> > > >> for the first time!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sean Cole
> > > >> Pi Digital
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me
> > just
> > > >>> fine.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Hi
> > > 
> > >  Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and
> > started
> > >  deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer
> works.
> > My
> > >  clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> > > >> NOW!).
> > >  And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer
> > > works.
> > >  Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of
> all
> > > >> days
> > >  to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up
> to
> > > >> this??
> > >  I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> > > >> behind
> > >  Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously
> > wont
> > > >> get
> > >  fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of
> it
> > > >> went
> > >  it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A
> > > MILLION!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Sean Cole
> > >  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > >  www.pidigital.co.uk
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  eMail Ts & Cs 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and virtually
unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
actually fully operational.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
+44(1634)402193
+44(7702)116447
'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> I feel your pain really!
>
> Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work - maybe
> that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
>
>
> Regards Lagi
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our slot
> > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London there
> > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face another
> > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of
> > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar I
> > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> bug!!).
> > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > Pi Digital
> >
> > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we
> > could
> > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
> > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> > > nights.
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support
> > from
> > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> > >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> > >>
> > >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost
> me
> > >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got
> > very
> > >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> > >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will
> be
> > in
> > >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And
> > not
> > >> for the first time!
> > >>
> > >> Sean Cole
> > >> Pi Digital
> > >>
> > >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me
> just
> > >>> fine.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Hi
> > 
> >  Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and
> started
> >  deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works.
> My
> >  clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> > >> NOW!).
> >  And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer
> > works.
> >  Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
> > >> days
> >  to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> > 
> > 
> >  Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> > >> this??
> >  I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> > >> behind
> >  Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously
> wont
> > >> get
> >  fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
> > >> went
> >  it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A
> > MILLION!!
> > 
> > 
> >  Sean Cole
> >  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >  www.pidigital.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> >  eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> >  Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi Sean,

I feel your pain really!

Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work - maybe
that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).


Regards Lagi

On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our slot
> is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London there
> are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face another
> day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of
> being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar I
> was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their bug!!).
> So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we
> could
> > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
> > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> > nights.
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support
> from
> >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> >>
> >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me
> >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got
> very
> >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be
> in
> >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And
> not
> >> for the first time!
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital
> >>
> >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
> >>> fine.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi
> 
>  Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
>  deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
>  clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> >> NOW!).
>  And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer
> works.
>  Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
> >> days
>  to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> 
> 
>  Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> >> this??
>  I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> >> behind
>  Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
> >> get
>  fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
> >> went
>  it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A
> MILLION!!
> 
> 
>  Sean Cole
>  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>  www.pidigital.co.uk
> 
> 
>  eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>  Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our slot is 
over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London there are 
plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face another day of 
this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of being paid. 
And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar I was told I’d have 
to pay their extortionate support fee (for their bug!!). So screw it and screw 
everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we could
> keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
> pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> nights.
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
>> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support from
>> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
>> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
>> 
>> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me
>> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got very
>> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
>> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be in
>> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And not
>> for the first time!
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital
>> 
>>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi
 
 Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
 deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
 clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
>> NOW!).
 And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
 Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
>> days
 to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
 
 
 Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
>> this??
 I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
>> behind
 Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
>> get
 fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
>> went
 it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
 
 
 Sean Cole
 *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
 www.pidigital.co.uk
 
 
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>>> 
>>> --
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Sean this sounds like a nightmare. Awful you've been affected like this. 

But please just go for a long walk by the cliffs without jumping off!

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we could
keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
nights.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support from
> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
>
> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me
> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got very
> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be in
> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And not
> for the first time!
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
> > fine.
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> >> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> >> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> NOW!).
> >> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> >> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
> days
> >> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> this??
> >> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> behind
> >> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
> get
> >> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
> went
> >> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >> www.pidigital.co.uk
> >>
> >>
> >> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> >> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
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> >   and did a little diving.
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting, apparently, 
for the last two years that they would be dropping support from using 
non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was apparently their 
cut off day. We now get this on iPads:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0

Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me 
personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got very 
angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC support 
and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be in bed by now. 
I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And not for the first 
time!

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
> fine.
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
>> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
>> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
>> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
>> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
>> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
>> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
>> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
>> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
>> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
>> 
>> 
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
fine.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
>
>
> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
>
>
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