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I forgot . . . can’t send attachments. Here is the dialogue: Me: A-A-A=25 AND B-B-B=20 AND C-C-C=15, WHAT IS A+B+C? GPT: A + B + C = (A-A-A + B-B-B + C-C-C)/3 + (A + B + C) = (25 + 20 + 15)/3 + (A + B + C) = 60/3 + (A + B + C) = 20 + (A + B + C) = 20 + A + B + C Therefore, A + B + C = 20 + A +

Re: Training the AI to write better LiveCode

Forgive me for jumping in, but decided to try this myself. Here is the dialogue attempting to correct ChatGPT : What fun! Roger > On Feb 6, 2023, at 8:04 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > that's not what chatgpt came up with. > but that's the point - it's still early. > > On

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that's not what chatgpt came up with. but that's the point - it's still early. On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 9:57 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > A = -25 > B = -20 > C = -15 > > So, -60. > > Craig > > > On Feb 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode

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A = -25 B = -20 C = -15 So, -60. Craig > On Feb 6, 2023, at 9:03 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > there was also a thread on twitter this weekend, which was roughly this: > A - A - A = 25 > B - B - B = 20 > C - C - C = 15 > A + B + C = ? > It's still early. > > On Sun, Feb 5,

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also, from zdnet, this am https://www.zdnet.com/article/i-asked-chatgpt-to-write-a-wordpress-plugin-i-needed-it-did-in-less-than-5-minutes/ On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 8:57 AM Mark Rauterkus via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Medium article: Guy uses Chat GPT to program home

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there was also a thread on twitter this weekend, which was roughly this: A - A - A = 25 B - B - B = 20 C - C - C = 15 A + B + C = ? It's still early. On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 8:57 AM Mark Rauterkus via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Medium article: Guy uses Chat GPT to

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Medium article: Guy uses Chat GPT to program home assistant. https://matemarschalko.medium.com/chatgpt-in-an-ios-shortcut-worlds-smartest-homekit-voice-assistant-9a33b780007a -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus m...@rauterkus.com ___ use-livecode mailing

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zdnet is reporting that some developers have found it to be useful for debugging code, too. On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 6:28 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I read a fascinating article in the Independent this morning that > indicates just how disruptive this

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I read a fascinating article in the Independent this morning that indicates just how disruptive this technology could be: ChatGPT passes MBA final exam at Wharton School of Business (research study, final paper in preparation), second, Harvard researchers find ChatGPT could pass the US Medical

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Bob Sneidar wrote: > If we get to the point where mankind no longer has to work > to live (universal basic income), then I fear we will come > to experience intimately what the old saying hints at, "An > idle mind is the devil's playground." You'd be in good company. Camus, Sartre, and others

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If we get to the point where mankind no longer has to work to live (universal basic income), then I fear we will come to experience intimately what the old saying hints at, "An idle mind is the devil's playground." It will be the end of any really productive society. Or else what will develop

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Interesting I had no idea there were that many potential progressions. But I am still curious how any AI makes the choice, "Not that, this." It has to be able to "recall" that the first move leads to failure. It has to have some way of paring down it's possible paths to success based upon

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 8:10 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I don't think it needs to store ALL the permutations, only the viable > ones, the ones that lead to success. That has to be a much smaller number. There are only three outcomes: win, lose,

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zdnet reports that chatgpt pro subscriptions are about $42/month. On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:10 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I don't think it needs to store ALL the permutations, only the viable > ones, the ones that lead to success. That has to be a

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I don't think it needs to store ALL the permutations, only the viable ones, the ones that lead to success. That has to be a much smaller number. But I was using that as an example of the mathematical nature of Chess. I think what we must mean by AI is that through recursion, a computer can

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 4:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Meh. Don't like using Chess as a measurement of AI competence. Chess is in > AI's wheelhouse. Once a computer can store all the possible permutations of > chess, > I agree on the sentiment, but

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+1 Spot-on Bob! On 1/23/23 4:24 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: The real problem with information is not the information itself, but that we pretty much all process information in the context of our chosen world view. Because of this, freedom of speech and open discourse MUST be

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Who gets to decide what the dis is in dis-information though? I think the greatest threat to knowledge is the illusion that information can be filtered to exclude the "dis" in favor of the information. Perhaps my faith in the human psyche is over ambitious, but it seems to me that any person

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Meh. Don't like using Chess as a measurement of AI competence. Chess is in AI's wheelhouse. Once a computer can store all the possible permutations of chess, it's advantage for AI is that it can reject what worked historically and what didn't, paring down the moves for every situation it can

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Kevin Miller schrieb am Montag, 23. Jänner 2023 um 22:56 : > I don't think we need to worry (too much!) about the exit of scripting >languages. It's a useful medium for a human to understand and edit in >until such time as we are truly defunct. If and when that happens I doubt >there will be any

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Ethics are very important to me as you know. I'm a passionate believer in working to increase fairness as we grow and evolve as a species. We're making great progress at that at the moment. For example, the number of people living in extreme poverty globally has more than halved in the last 20

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In all this, let’s not forget the aspect of simply enjoying coding. Many of us would never stop coding just because a pattern-matching language model can produce ”better” code - just like people haven’t stopped playing chess or go, just because a computer can do it better. Coding is an art.

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It's not possible to talk about software's current Second Industrial Revolution without talking about the lessons learned from the First Industrial Revolution. And it's not possible to talk about the benefits of the First Industrial Revolution without including the Labor Wars that eventually

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Forgot to include: in the '10s I would have added rogue AI. On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 2:47 PM Geoff Canyon wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:50 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> Human-generated disinformation is already a significant

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:50 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Human-generated disinformation is already a significant destabilizing > force. When we trust machine-generated content we run that same risk at > light speed. > Absolutely agreed -- If

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Those only interested in LiveCode, click "next" now. On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 10:40 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > After all, the Codex had been trained on billions of > publicly available source code lines – including code > in public

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Using AI tools like ChatGPT there will be a big push for trying to automate coding with the most popular languages like Python. With more open environments like LiveCode it may get to be harder.It will always be started with by definition incomplete set of start with incomplete definition, and

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J. Landman Gay wrote: > Microsoft thinks it's a good idea. They'll eventually own 49% of > ChatGPT when talks are finalized. > > No doubt. The power to control a content engine that valuable is enticing to the few in

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Geoff Canyon wrote: > Eliza never passed a Turing Test, not even remotely. Formally, no. Nothing yet has. https://dataconomy.com/2021/03/which-ai-closest-passing-turing-test/ But Weizenbaum himself was surprised to see how readily people attributed human-like feeling to its rudimentary algo,

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Kevin Miller wrote: > Richard wrote: >>> So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the >> owners of ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want >> to make, or perhaps at least ask for compensation for having provided >> the data that makes ChatGPT valuable for

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Eliza never passed a Turing Test, not even remotely. I've been doing a ton of other research with ChatGPT, and it definitely is able to pass a Turing test in some circumstances. Example below. No, it doesn't "understand" the way a human does. AlphaZero doesn't "understand" chess the way a human

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Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Richard, > > That’s for sure! > > We should never let an AI write code that we don’t have a prayer > to understand. > It should always write code that is humanly readable and correctable. Advanced pattern-matching software (these day mislabeled "Intelligence") is in

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Microsoft thinks it's a good idea. They'll eventually own 49% of ChatGPT when talks are finalized. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On January 21,

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An interesting point of view. We're a very long way from attempting to write all apps in assembler using this sort of AI. And humans are going to want to go on reading, editing and understanding code to create whole programs, whether produced by machine or a human, for a long time yet. When AI

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Hi Richard, That’s for sure! We should never let an AI write code that we don’t have a prayer to understand. It should always write code that is humanly readable and correctable. We have seen this happen time and again where we put in the work to help a company become profitable, and we end up

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Richard, thanks very much, you certainly hit the nail. Ralf On 20.01.2023 20:22, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: If ChatGPT can write script, it can write machine code. If it can write machine code, scripting is unnecessary. If scripting goes, so goes scripting tools. So before

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If ChatGPT can write script, it can write machine code. If it can write machine code, scripting is unnecessary. If scripting goes, so goes scripting tools. So before we donate much time to providing index fodder for the owners of ChatGPT, we might ask whether this is an investment we want to

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According to Heather, chatGPT only learns from your current session. If you want it to retain what you've taught it for use by others, you have to submit the session on the website form. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On

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 > On 20 Jan 2023, at 6:04 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > This is what it wrote when displaying a "too busy page". Brilliant. > > Write a guided meditation about the status of ChatGPT. > As you read this message, please take a moment to pause and breathe. Notice > the sensations

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This is what it wrote when displaying a "too busy page". Brilliant. Write a guided meditation about the status of ChatGPT. As you read this message, please take a moment to pause and breathe. Notice the sensations in your body and the rhythm of your breath. Remind yourself that you are not alone

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:mind blown emoji On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 9:39 AM Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone verify that the corrections I reported to ChatGPT have been > taken into account? > I asked ChatGPT how to geolocate, but it gave me several bad

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Hello, Can anyone verify that the corrections I reported to ChatGPT have been taken into account? I asked ChatGPT how to geolocate, but it gave me several bad suggestions for commands that didn't exist : - mobileControlCreate « geoControl" - put mobileGetGPS() - put geolocation() - put

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Sooo... ChatGPT gives ambiguous answers, much like humans do. But, and I don't want to put too fine a point on this, isn't eliminating that ambiguity why we created computers in the first place? ;-P Bob S On Jan 17, 2023, at 04:46 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode

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even if the same person asks the same question, multiple times, the answers will vary, so don't be surprised. On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:35 AM Kaveh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > ChatGPT clearly likes me more that you. ;-) At least I have one friend!!! > > On Tue, 17

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ChatGPT clearly likes me more that you. ;-) At least I have one friend!!! On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 at 06:28, Torsten Holmer via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I also used chatGPT for looking uo code and I repeated your question. But > this time chatGPT gives a wrong answer! >

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I also used chatGPT for looking uo code and I repeated your question. But this time chatGPT gives a wrong answer! —chatGPT: You will need to specify the group that the button should be added to by setting the group property of the button. The syntax for this is as follows: set the group of

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this is feeling like it could/should become a test suite: questions posed, and the quality of the solution On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 4:16 PM Kaveh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I just tried Google to the answer to a problem. Didn't get it first time, > so tried

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I just tried Google to the answer to a problem. Didn't get it first time, so tried ChatGPT. I asked: *How do I add a button to a group in LiveCode using a script?* I got: *create button "myButton" in group "myGroup"* *This command creates a new button object with the name "myButton" and

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 9:44 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Keep in mind,though, that there's lots of example fizzbuzz code for the > algorithms to draw from. > Definitely. I'll have to think about a (possibly) original challenge. gc

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On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 12:08 PM Mark Smith wrote: > > Quite weird for me to comprehend how it knows that. Unless of course, you > were somehow more specific than your examples illustrate. > I posted the exact prompts I gave it, no hidden tricks :-)

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Thanks for posting this Geoff. It’s the first time I've seen a ongoing dialog between a programmer and Chat GPT and the first thing I am struck by (but not the only thing) is it’s ability to deal with human ambiguity. For example, you ask it to modify the code to be an “on mouseUp handler in a

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We live in interesting times. > On 14 Jan 2023, at 3:22 am, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode > wrote: > > So just now I put this in to chatgpt: > > "fizz bin" is a program that counts from 1 to 100, replacing every number > divisible by 5 with "fizz" and every number divisible by 7 with "bin";

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The rules for fizzbin were intended to be complex, so that Kirk could lull his audience into lowering their defenses long enough to be overwhelmed. The game can be played with a standard Earth deck of cards, despite the slightly differing deck on Beta Antares IV

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I charge all of my clients for training. I charge a lot more to train Artificial Intelligence Chatbots! Unfortunately, chatbots don’t yet know how to pay me, and until someone is willing to pay me to train it, that isn’t going to happen. Until they are willing and able to pay me for training, I

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On 1/14/23 09:30, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:22 PM Geoff Canyon wrote: If I were writing it, I'd probably do something like [my code] That might be a bit faster, but probably not as clear. I just checked, and my code is about 20% *slower* and still

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:22 PM Geoff Canyon wrote: > > If I were writing it, I'd probably do something like > > [my code] > > That might be a bit faster, but probably not as clear. > I just checked, and my code is about 20% *slower* and still less clear. Good grief, I'm about to be replaced by

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On 1/14/23 03:35, Beda via use-livecode wrote: It seems to be more inspiring for me than talking to a rubber duck sitting on my desk, at least for simple problems. For harder problems there will be, hopefully for ever, the user forum and this newslist. I am *not* giving up my rubber duck.

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It seems to be more inspiring for me than talking to a rubber duck sitting on my desk, at least for simple problems. For harder problems there will be, hopefully for ever, the user forum and this newslist. Beda Am 14.01.23 um 11:17 schrieb Kaveh via use-livecode: Quite incredible! It

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Quite incredible! It might be that LiveCode's simple syntax is best suited to ChatGPT. On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 03:24, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > So just now I put this in to chatgpt: > > "fizz bin" is a program that counts from 1 to 100, replacing

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So just now I put this in to chatgpt: "fizz bin" is a program that counts from 1 to 100, replacing every number divisible by 5 with "fizz" and every number divisible by 7 with "bin"; and numbers divisible by both 5 and 7 with "fizz bin". Write code in the programming language livecode to execute

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> Kevin wrote: > What is important is ensuring that LiveCode, which is supported already, is > not left behind and that you can generate LiveCode code at the same standard > as other languages. Exactly! > Rick wrote: > Just because something may be technologically > possible, doesn't mean we

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On 1/13/23 07:30, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: "AI" has always been a misleading term, for like 40 years. gawd, i'm old. There is pattern matching, tree traversals, bayesian probability, etc. it's definitely not anything like a wiki. it might just be helpful at slogging out a lot of the

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"AI" has always been a misleading term, for like 40 years. gawd, i'm old. There is pattern matching, tree traversals, bayesian probability, etc. it's definitely not anything like a wiki. it might just be helpful at slogging out a lot of the code that we have to write or include by hand, especially

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Its far more than a search engine. It can edit copy, write articles and analyse multiple inputs for similarities and differences and a lot more. Like all such new technologies this is going to be here to stay. So its not a case of trying not to train it in order to preserve programmer jobs.

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Sooo... it's ARTIFICIAL intelligence, meaning there's a programmer behind it telling it how to respond, or else how not to. Obviously I'm not a huge believer in AI. It seems more like WIKI to me. Bob S > On Jan 12, 2023, at 01:16 , Heather Laine via use-livecode > wrote: > > Yes, it only

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ChatGPT has been called a search engine without the search engine. I would tend to agree with that. It seems to find bits and pieces of code or articles that others have written before and tries to put them together. It uses a text typing output mode to give it the appearance of an

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yesterday was not a good session for me. all responses were irrelevant, and sometimes seemed random. we'll see what we find, the next time. On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 4:17 AM Heather Laine via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Yes, it only retains this "learning" for the

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Yes, it only retains this "learning" for the session with you. To ensure wider learning for the future, you need to give feedback via the "Contact Us" page. I think its trainers can then apply the learning in some unknown fashion. Best Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager

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Hell again, I just asked Chat GPT and it answered always very politly: Me: Thanks that's ok Chat GPT: You're welcome! I'm glad I could help. If you have any other questions about LiveCode or any other programming language, feel free to ask. Me: Did you learn something about Livecode by our

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Dear Heather, thank you for your hint, it is real fun! Here my first chat with AI GPT. It seems, that you have to insist sometimes for your demands and then there will be the right answer, but does it learn by this way? Me: Write some code in livecode Chat GPT: I'm sorry, I am a text-based

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+1 On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 9:59 AM Heather Laine via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Dear List Members and LiveCode Gurus, > > We're looking for your help. I should start with a warning though: this > chatGPT is addictive, you might lose a few hours of your life. But you

Training the AI to write better LiveCode

Dear List Members and LiveCode Gurus, We're looking for your help. I should start with a warning though: this chatGPT is addictive, you might lose a few hours of your life. But you will have fun doing it :) Our idea is that the chatGPT to be found here: https://chat.openai.com is a truly