Re: MergExt BLE

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Thanks Monte , I will go that route.

Regards Camm

> On 1 Feb 2021, at 01:11, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Camm
> 
> The mergExt externals are supported by LiveCode so the best route for support 
> is supp...@livecode.com <mailto:supp...@livecode.com>.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2021, at 1:16 am, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is Monte able to support MergeBLE still or is this now solely with Livecode ?
>> 
>> Anyone help please .
>> 
>> Regards Camm
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Re: MergExt BLE

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

Hi Camm

The mergExt externals are supported by LiveCode so the best route for support 
is supp...@livecode.com <mailto:supp...@livecode.com>.

Cheers

Monte

> On 31 Jan 2021, at 1:16 am, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is Monte able to support MergeBLE still or is this now solely with Livecode ?
> 
> Anyone help please .
> 
> Regards Camm

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Re: MergExt BLE

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Hi,

Is Monte able to support MergeBLE still or is this now solely with Livecode ?

Anyone help please .

Regards Camm

> On 22 Jan 2021, at 14:43, General 2018  wrote:
> 
> Hi ,
> 
> I think the issue is the need for “Thread Safe” and / or “Concurrent 
> Buffering” for write/read function with MergExt BLE.
> 
> Can anyone give guidance on application of the above using Livecode ?
> 
> Regards Camm
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2021, at 15:09, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ,
>> 
>> Have an application for IOS and started to use MergExt BLE. 
>> 
>> This is working great with livecode on finding devices , connecting and 
>> writing.
>> 
>> I have an issue with reading , it works but missing data randomly on read.
>> 
>> The BLE device is using Notify.
>> 
>> In “didupatevalueforcharactistic“ values are return after writing a request. 
>> But sometimes half the response or other random results.
>> 
>> The application needs to send a few commands each will reply with unique 
>> data.
>> 
>> So :-
>> Write 123
>> Read result and action 
>> Write 456
>> Read result and action and so on...
>> 
>> I am sure this is no fault of MergBLE it just cannot find livecode doc on 
>> how to structure the data flow using MergBLE commands and Messages.
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards Camm
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Re: MergExt BLE

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Hi ,

I think the issue is the need for “Thread Safe” and / or “Concurrent Buffering” 
for write/read function with MergExt BLE.

Can anyone give guidance on application of the above using Livecode ?

Regards Camm

> On 14 Jan 2021, at 15:09, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi ,
> 
> Have an application for IOS and started to use MergExt BLE. 
> 
> This is working great with livecode on finding devices , connecting and 
> writing.
> 
> I have an issue with reading , it works but missing data randomly on read.
> 
> The BLE device is using Notify.
> 
> In “didupatevalueforcharactistic“ values are return after writing a request. 
> But sometimes half the response or other random results.
> 
> The application needs to send a few commands each will reply with unique data.
> 
> So :-
> Write 123
> Read result and action 
> Write 456
> Read result and action and so on...
> 
> I am sure this is no fault of MergBLE it just cannot find livecode doc on how 
> to structure the data flow using MergBLE commands and Messages.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards Camm
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MergExt BLE

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Hi ,

Have an application for IOS and started to use MergExt BLE. 

This is working great with livecode on finding devices , connecting and writing.

I have an issue with reading , it works but missing data randomly on read.

The BLE device is using Notify.

In “didupatevalueforcharactistic“ values are return after writing a request. 
But sometimes half the response or other random results.

The application needs to send a few commands each will reply with unique data.

So :-
Write 123
Read result and action 
Write 456
Read result and action and so on...

I am sure this is no fault of MergBLE it just cannot find livecode doc on how 
to structure the data flow using MergBLE commands and Messages.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards Camm
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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I worked that out by looking the URL up on my Mac: Thanks.

The Android tablet browser, however . . . .

This app only gives me the Blue-bot's MAC address and
something called "RAW DATA": 0x0201020809426C7565426F740303F0FF

Ultimately you did help me, but in an unexpected way insofar as your message
stimulated me to start fooling around with one of my Android devices, 
and I did find

something that looks very much like the robot's UUID with another app:

1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb

Whether that will be "enough" has yet to be seen.

Best, Richmond.


On 4/14/17 6:32 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

My link was directly to the app I used, made by Bluepixel Technology LLP.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .

When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage
unavailable".

 From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.

 From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]

 From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID
details.

HOWEVER . . .

Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned
for donkey's ages .

BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.

BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.

Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long
SerialPort Service
which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb

nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.

My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)

Richmond.






On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:


If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT

the "Blue-Bot": fine
distinction, but it makes all the difference.

Richmond.


On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:

I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will

point you in the right direction?

Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find

an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
device . . .

Richmond.

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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

My link was directly to the app I used, made by Bluepixel Technology LLP.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .
>
> When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage
> unavailable".
>
> From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.
>
> From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]
>
> From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID
> details.
>
> HOWEVER . . .
>
> Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned
> for donkey's ages .
>
> BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.
>
> BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.
>
> Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long
> SerialPort Service
> which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb
>
> nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.
>
> My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
>> try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
>> plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
>> "Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
>> stack.
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
>>> the "Blue-Bot": fine
>>> distinction, but it makes all the difference.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
 point you in the right direction?

 Phil Davis


 On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

 I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
> an application
> that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
> device . . .
>
> Richmond.
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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .

When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage 
unavailable".


From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.

From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]

From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID 
details.


HOWEVER . . .

Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned 
for donkey's ages .


BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.

BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.

Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long 
SerialPort Service

which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb

nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.

My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)

Richmond.





On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
the "Blue-Bot": fine
distinction, but it makes all the difference.

Richmond.


On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:


I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
point you in the right direction?

Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
device . . .

Richmond.

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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
> the "Blue-Bot": fine
> distinction, but it makes all the difference.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
>> point you in the right direction?
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
>>> an application
>>> that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
>>> device . . .
>>>
>>> Richmond.
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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is 
NOT the "Blue-Bot": fine

distinction, but it makes all the difference.

Richmond.

On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will 
point you in the right direction?


Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot 
find an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth 
device . . .


Richmond.

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Re: mergEXT

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will 
point you in the right direction?


Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find 
an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth 
device . . .


Richmond.

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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find 
an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth 
device . . .


Richmond.

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Re: mergEXT

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On 4/13/17 2:22 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Folks

You probably want to get some docs for the robot and find out the service UUID 
that it offers then scan for peripherals with that service UUID. That’s the 
normal way of doing things but if there’s no docs available (from the looks of 
their downloads page you will need to request dev docs) you can scan for any 
peripherals and inspect them to work out what’s on offer. It would be great to 
get a write up of this for the LC blog if you get it all working.


I have requested the dev docs; but whether the Terrapin Logo will let me 
have them is another thing as they may smell a rat.


Richmond.


The demo stack are inside that Ext folder which on mac is inside the app bundle -> Contents > 
Tools > Ext > mergBLE  > mergBLE.livecode. It isn’t pretty (just the baste 
basics needed to test functionality). We know this isn’t the most helpful location. At some point it 
would be nice to have a open demo stack button on the docs.

Cheers

Monte

On 13 Apr 2017, at 12:30 am, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Have a look in the dictionary.  I don't know if Monte still has the demo
stacks available, but perhaps that would also help.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
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I have never used it, but this is in the LC forum:

try
  mergBLEStopScanningForPeripherals
catch e
  answer e
end try

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28007&p=
147215&hilit=mergBLE#p147215


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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I must be really stupid . . . but . . .

How do I use mergBLE to get a simple list of BlueTooth devices in a
listField?

Richmond.



On 4/12/17 4:08 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:


That looks really cool (for teaching)!

"PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"

So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
http://mergext.com/home/mergble/

~Roger


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121

I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
rather than the crappy interface that
one has to pay $50 for that stinks.

Richmond.


On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

Robot?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .


1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?


Richmond.


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Re: mergEXT

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

Hi Folks

You probably want to get some docs for the robot and find out the service UUID 
that it offers then scan for peripherals with that service UUID. That’s the 
normal way of doing things but if there’s no docs available (from the looks of 
their downloads page you will need to request dev docs) you can scan for any 
peripherals and inspect them to work out what’s on offer. It would be great to 
get a write up of this for the LC blog if you get it all working.

The demo stack are inside that Ext folder which on mac is inside the app bundle 
-> Contents > Tools > Ext > mergBLE  > mergBLE.livecode. It isn’t 
pretty (just the baste basics needed to test functionality). We know this isn’t 
the most helpful location. At some point it would be nice to have a open demo 
stack button on the docs.

Cheers

Monte
> On 13 Apr 2017, at 12:30 am, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have a look in the dictionary.  I don't know if Monte still has the demo
> stacks available, but perhaps that would also help.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have never used it, but this is in the LC forum:
>> 
>> try
>>  mergBLEStopScanningForPeripherals
>> catch e
>>  answer e
>> end try
>> 
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28007&p=
>> 147215&hilit=mergBLE#p147215
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I must be really stupid . . . but . . .
>>> 
>>> How do I use mergBLE to get a simple list of BlueTooth devices in a
>>> listField?
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/12/17 4:08 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 
 That looks really cool (for teaching)!
 
 "PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
 3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"
 
 So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
 http://mergext.com/home/mergble/
 
 ~Roger
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121
> 
> I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
> rather than the crappy interface that
> one has to pay $50 for that stinks.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> 
> On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> Robot?
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
>> 
>>> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
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Re: mergEXT

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Have a look in the dictionary.  I don't know if Monte still has the demo
stacks available, but perhaps that would also help.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have never used it, but this is in the LC forum:
>
> try
>   mergBLEStopScanningForPeripherals
> catch e
>   answer e
> end try
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28007&p=
> 147215&hilit=mergBLE#p147215
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I must be really stupid . . . but . . .
> >
> > How do I use mergBLE to get a simple list of BlueTooth devices in a
> > listField?
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/12/17 4:08 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> That looks really cool (for teaching)!
> >>
> >> "PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
> >> 3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"
> >>
> >> So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
> >> http://mergext.com/home/mergble/
> >>
> >> ~Roger
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121
> >>>
> >>> I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
> >>> rather than the crappy interface that
> >>> one has to pay $50 for that stinks.
> >>>
> >>> Richmond.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Robot?
> 
> 
>  On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
> 
> > 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
> >
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

I have never used it, but this is in the LC forum:

try
  mergBLEStopScanningForPeripherals
catch e
  answer e
end try

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28007&p=147215&hilit=mergBLE#p147215


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I must be really stupid . . . but . . .
>
> How do I use mergBLE to get a simple list of BlueTooth devices in a
> listField?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
> On 4/12/17 4:08 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> That looks really cool (for teaching)!
>>
>> "PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
>> 3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"
>>
>> So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
>> http://mergext.com/home/mergble/
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html
>>>
>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121
>>>
>>> I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
>>> rather than the crappy interface that
>>> one has to pay $50 for that stinks.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> Robot?


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 OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .

> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>
>
> Richmond.
>
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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I must be really stupid . . . but . . .

How do I use mergBLE to get a simple list of BlueTooth devices in a 
listField?


Richmond.


On 4/12/17 4:08 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

That looks really cool (for teaching)!

"PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"

So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
http://mergext.com/home/mergble/

~Roger


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121

I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
rather than the crappy interface that
one has to pay $50 for that stinks.

Richmond.


On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:


Robot?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .

1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?


Richmond.


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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

That looks really cool (for teaching)!

"PLEASE NOTE: Blue-Bot® is compatible with any iOS device with version
3.0/4.0+ EDR Bluetooth (e.g. iPad3 and later)"

So...  I would think you would use mergBLE for this.
http://mergext.com/home/mergble/

~Roger


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121
>
> I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end
> rather than the crappy interface that
> one has to pay $50 for that stinks.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Robot?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
>>>
>>> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>>>
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Yup: https://www.bee-bot.us/bluebot.html

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29121

I really would like to control the Blue-Bot via a LiveCode front-end 
rather than the crappy interface that

one has to pay $50 for that stinks.

Richmond.

On 4/12/17 3:58 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

Robot?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .

1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?


Richmond.



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Re: mergEXT

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Robot?


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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .
>
> 1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?
>
>
> Richmond.
>
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Re: mergEXT

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OK: now for the goofy questions . . . .

1. How do I find my robot's pUUID on a Mac?

Richmond.
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Re: mergEXT

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

on mac, its in Contents->Tools->Ext

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mike Kerner 
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> you don't download it.  It's built in.
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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>> " an Indy or Business license, will I get mergEXT automatically? Yes!"
>>
>> As I have an Indy licence I would be grateful if I could find out
>> where I can download mergEXT.
>>
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Re: mergEXT

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Thanks for the heads up!

Richmond.

On 4/12/17 3:43 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

you don't download it.  It's built in.

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" an Indy or Business license, will I get mergEXT automatically? Yes!"

As I have an Indy licence I would be grateful if I could find out
where I can download mergEXT.

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Re: mergEXT

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you don't download it.  It's built in.

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> " an Indy or Business license, will I get mergEXT automatically? Yes!"
>
> As I have an Indy licence I would be grateful if I could find out
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mergEXT

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" an Indy or Business license, will I get mergEXT automatically? Yes!"

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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

Thx, Monte. I've already coded around the problem by limiting the amount of 
markdown the app accepts from a user. So I've rolled my own limited translation 
of markdown.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 10, 2016, 6:13 AM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
>  
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 9:05 PM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> >  
> > That button is disabled. (The first place I looked.) INDY license, so it 
> > should work.
>  
> Sorry Jerry, I’ve led you a merry dance. It turns out that 8.0.X only added 
> an interim feature for iOS covering most of my externals. Standalone 
> inclusions have been completely reworked for 8.1.
>  
> Cheers
>  
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Re: mergExt Markdown

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> On 10 Jun 2016, at 9:05 PM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> 
> That button is disabled. (The first place I looked.) INDY license, so it 
> should work.

Sorry Jerry, I’ve led you a merry dance. It turns out that 8.0.X only added an 
interim feature for iOS covering most of my externals. Standalone inclusions 
have been completely reworked for 8.1.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

That button is disabled. (The first place I looked.) INDY license, so it should 
work.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 10, 2016, 1:52 AM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
>  
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 3:53 PM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> >  
> > I figured out what 'Ali awesomeness' meant just before I checked email. 
> > I've got Mohammed Ali on the brain this week, I suppose.
>  
> Well float like a butterfly over to the copy files pane and sting like a bee 
> on the “Add Included External…” button ;-)
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Re: mergExt Markdown

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> On 10 Jun 2016, at 3:53 PM, m...@jerrydaniels.com wrote:
> 
> I figured out what 'Ali awesomeness' meant just before I checked email. I've 
> got Mohammed Ali on the brain this week, I suppose.

Well float like a butterfly over to the copy files pane and sting like a bee on 
the “Add Included External…” button ;-)
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

I figured out what 'Ali awesomeness' meant just before I checked email. I've 
got Mohammed Ali on the brain this week, I suppose.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 9, 2016, 3:10 PM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
>  
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 6:04 AM, Jerry Danielswrote:
> >  
> > Thx, Monte! “Ali awesomeness”?
>  
> Ali from the LC team has worked some magic on standalone inclusions in 8.1.
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[me]

I looked all over the place on the copy files page but didn't see how to add 
it. I'll check again. If you can point me in the right direction, I'd be 
grateful.

Best, Jerry

On Jun 9, 2016, 4:23 PM -0500, Monte Goulding, wrote:
> 
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 7:09 AM, Jerry Danielswrote:
> > 
> > Just tested markdown with 8.0.2 rc1. As far as I can tell, it does not fix 
> > it. Is there something I need to do in SA setting to make it work?
> 
> Are you including it on the copy files pane?
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[Monte Goulding]

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 7:09 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
> 
> Just tested markdown with 8.0.2 rc1. As far as I can tell, it does not fix 
> it. Is there something I need to do in SA setting to make it work?

Are you including it on the copy files pane?
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[Jerry Daniels]

Monte,

Just tested markdown with 8.0.2 rc1. As far as I can tell, it does not fix it. 
Is there something I need to do in SA setting to make it work?

Best, Jerry

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
> 
> Thx, Monte! “Ali awesomeness”?
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
>> 
>> There were some issues with desktop mergExt inclusion in 8.0.1. 
>> 
>> 8.0.2 fixes it and 8.1 will bring some Ali awesomeness to the experience.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 4:23 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I cannot seem to get the mergExt markdown stuff to work in a standalone. 
>>> Using 8.0.1 release version. Anyone else?
>> 
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[Monte Goulding]

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 6:04 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
> 
> Thx, Monte! “Ali awesomeness”?

Ali from the LC team has worked some magic on standalone inclusions in 8.1.
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[Jerry Daniels]

Thx, Monte! “Ali awesomeness”?

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
> There were some issues with desktop mergExt inclusion in 8.0.1. 
> 
> 8.0.2 fixes it and 8.1 will bring some Ali awesomeness to the experience.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 4:23 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
>> 
>> I cannot seem to get the mergExt markdown stuff to work in a standalone. 
>> Using 8.0.1 release version. Anyone else?
> 
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Re: mergExt Markdown

[Monte Goulding]

There were some issues with desktop mergExt inclusion in 8.0.1. 

8.0.2 fixes it and 8.1 will bring some Ali awesomeness to the experience.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 4:23 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
> 
> I cannot seem to get the mergExt markdown stuff to work in a standalone. 
> Using 8.0.1 release version. Anyone else?


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mergExt Markdown

[Jerry Daniels]

I cannot seem to get the mergExt markdown stuff to work in a standalone. Using 
8.0.1 release version. Anyone else?
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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Richard Gaskin]

Kay C Lan wrote:


On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


There are many open source licenses.


...just because a system succeeds doesn't mean it can't be made better.


Of course.  Ours is an imperfect world.  No single license can serve all 
goals, and all systems can always be improved.


My only point was that the GPL seems a reasonably good fit for LiveCode 
Ltd's goals with its Community Edition.




You offered the success of Linux as proof of the pudding as to how
great GPL is but you failed to mention that the Linux Kernel is
forever held to GPL v 2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#GPL_version_3


Yes, Linux uses GPL.

I don't see where my not noting which specific version of the GPL the 
project uses is necessarily a "failure".  I'm just a developer; my job 
does not involve either managing the Linux project nor advocating any 
specific licenses for others to use. I merely share the opinion of 
LiveCode Ltd's counsel that the GPL is a good fit for their goals at 
this time.



As a very separate side matter unrelated to what I wrote, the 
differences between GPL v2 and v3 are indeed interesting, esp. in our 
modern world of rampant software patent abuse.


One of the reasons GPL v2 is especially useful for Linux is that GPL v3 
includes limitations on patent claims, while Linux has been spared from 
being abused by patent trolls by using the more patent-neutral language 
of GPL v2 to build a massive pool of defensive patents - anyone who 
might consider suing Linux over a patent will likely be counter-sued 
into oblivion:



Quite clever of them, though I prefer New Zealand's solution as even 
simpler:  as a general rule their courts don't normally hear cases for 
software patents at all.


But we digress



Nor did you indicate that the majority of GPL software is still GPL v
2 or that the percentage of OSS using GPL is on the decline:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Adoption


What I wrote was:

   While the GPL and its derivatives are the most popular, there's
   also the Apache License, Mozilla License, Python's and PHP's
   unique licenses, and many others.

Providing a breakdown of specific versions and variants (LGPL, AGPL, 
etc.) and timeline trends for each is simply beyond the scope of my 
interest.  Besides, too many of my posts are already too long; it hardly 
seems useful for anyone if I were to err on the side of completeness. ;)


If you have feel GPL v2 is a better fit for LiveCode's goals than GPL v3 
I suppose you could email Kevin with the business case for that.


--
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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Kay C Lan]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Richard Gaskin
 wrote:
>
> There are many open source licenses.

Yes, just like there are many political systems - all supposedly for
the betterment 'of the people'. Even in democratic societies the
variations are tremendous - and their success also. And just because a
system succeeds doesn't mean it can't be made better.

>From my own naive perspective such success depends very much on
whether 'libre' is 'inclusive' or 'exclusive'. Where there are 'good
guys' and 'bad guys' then IMO you are only handicapping your own
success. I think the movie Invictus:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1057500/

is a brilliant demonstration of the advantage of eliminating the 'us'
and 'them' attitude. You yourself have stated on this List that those
in charge of GPL, if anyone ever finds a loophole which skirts the
intended path that GPL has chosen to tread then the GPL will be
amended to immediately exclude that loophole.

As I linked previously, and indicated, I tend to agree with Linus
Torvalds that as the GPL has progressed it has become apparent that
it's an 'us' and 'them' kind of license. You offered the success of
Linux as proof of the pudding as to how great GPL is but you failed to
 mention that the Linux Kernel is forever held to GPL v 2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#GPL_version_3

and this wasn't just Torvalds, but the majority of key contributors
realised that GPL v 3 was not the 'Mandela' approach to a world where
both open and closed software had it's place and both could help each
other achieve greatness they couldn't achieve on their own. You also
failed to mention that Torvalds' Git (now a mainstay of LC) is also
firmly GPL v 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_%28software%29

Nor did you indicate that the majority of GPL software is still GPL v
2 or that the percentage of OSS using GPL is on the decline:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Adoption

IMO an indication that whilst the original GPL goal was 'libre', some
started to realise that loophole closing was 'libre' only to those who
were 'white good guys', and it was heading down a more 'us' and 'them'
kind of mentality which was not the 'libre' for developers to choose
$0, $$$, open, closed or mix and match kind of future that Torvalds et
al envisaged would truly benefit everyone.

The reason there are many variations on the 'libre' license, is
because GPL v 3 clearly doesn't get everyone's vote as giving
'everyone' the freedom they are truly looking for in how they write
AND distribute their code. It's an attempt to make a good system
better.

I agree with you, well Ludwig Mies van der Rohe - God is in the
details; you need to read the details and then carefully decide which
license truly gives YOU and EVERYONE ELSE the 'libre' to use and
distribute code.

Or to put it more bluntly, this attitude:

"Richard Stallman and the FSF specifically encourage library-writers
to license under the GPL so that proprietary programs cannot use the
libraries, in an effort to protect the free-software world by giving
it more tools than the proprietary world." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Linking_and_derived_works

strikes me as blatant, upfront, software apartheid.

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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Peter M. Brigham]

On May 6, 2016, at 12:05 PM, John Dixon wrote:

> No Richard... it is not a limitation of the language ! You just have
> a different perspective ...:-)
> 
> Richard Gaskin wrote...
> 'This is a limitation of English, in which "free" refers to both "gratis" 
> and "libre".'

Off topic, but I have a bumpersticker that makes use of the ambiguity:

If money = speech then speech is not free.

-- Peter

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RE: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[John Dixon]

No Richard... it is not a limitation of the language ! You just have
a different perspective ...:-)

Richard Gaskin wrote...
'This is a limitation of English, in which "free" refers to both "gratis" 
and "libre".'
 
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with
> Indy/Business IDE)
> From: ambassa...@fourthworld.com
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 08:57:42 -0700
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>  > On May 5, 2016, at 21:33 , Kay C Lan wrote:
>  >> Pick your license carefully - you should ALWAYS read the fine print.
>  >
>  > This is why I am always leary of people who want to change the world.
>  > The devil is always in the details.
> 
> I prefer Ludwig Mies van der Rohe's variant, "God is in the details."
> 
> Neither the invention of the GPL nor its selection among those who use 
> it is in any way accidental.
> 
> Our LiveCode community is comprised mostly of people who have decades of 
> experience using and building exclusively proprietary software.
> 
> In our milieu, the "free" in "free software" is often seen with a focus 
> on price.  But it's important to remember that the GPL expresses no 
> opinion about price at all.
> 
> This is a limitation of English, in which "free" refers to both "gratis" 
> and "libre".
> 
> With "free software", the "free" is about "libre", or "freedom", the 
> explicit freedoms granted in the license to receive source code, to be 
> able to study it, to modify it, and to share those modifications with 
> your neighbor.
> 
> There are many open source licenses. While the GPL and its derivatives 
> are the most popular, there's also the Apache License, Mozilla License, 
> Python's and PHP's unique licenses, and many others.  There's even a 
> WTFPL (see <http://www.wtfpl.net/faq/>, though be forewarned about the 
> language you'll find there ).
> 
> There are almost as many different open source licenses as there are 
> proprietary ones.  And like proprietary licenses, each has its own 
> unique terms and conditions.
> 
> One of the reasons the GPL has remained so popular with so many projects 
> is because of the values it represents. When your goal is sharing, the 
> GPL can be a very good choice because it ensures the sharing will 
> continue downstream, that no one can hoard the code released under it.
> 
> If that reflects your own values and your goals for a project, the GPL 
> is a widely accepted solution to make that happen for you.
> 
> But as mostly proprietary-only developers, many in our community view 
> the value of code with different goals, mostly monetary and often 
> specifically with revenues derived from per-user licensing, which 
> requires the code remain concealed from the recipient of the software.
> 
> In my own view, I see no harm in either approach.  Both have a useful 
> place.  But they do represent different models of how value is derived. 
>   While relatively few here see sharing source code as more valuable 
> than being paid to keep it secret, there are large numbers of developers 
> in other corners of the world with different goals, where the value of 
> community contributions outweighs potential license fees.
> 
> It may be tempting for those who work exclusively in proprietary 
> software to dismiss the GPL as idealistic, just as some free software 
> advocates dismiss proprietary software as user-hostile in preventing 
> users from fixing bugs or adding features they need.
> 
> Personally, I see the GPL as a very pragmatic solution when the goal is 
> proliferation.  By ensuring downstream enhancements are shared with the 
> world community, a software released under GPL can only become ever more 
> capable.
> 
> Consider the Internet that deliver this post to you.  Much of the 'Net's 
> infrastructure is run on truly free software, and most of the routers, 
> switches, and servers are running Linux.  Linux is also at the heart of 
> 80% of smartphones, 65% of tablets, most embedded devices, and 95% of 
> the world's supercomputers.  While Windows continues to dominate the 
> desktop, every other form of computing today is largely a Linux story.
> 
> This would not likely have been possible without the GPL.  But by 
> ensuring that any modifications of the software get shared back to the 
> community they came from, Linux has become adapted for a much broader 
> range of use cases than any other OS.
> 
> We can hope that over time we'll see similar community-driven 
> enhancement with LiveCode

Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> On May 5, 2016, at 21:33 , Kay C Lan wrote:
>> Pick your license carefully - you should ALWAYS read the fine print.
>
> This is why I am always leary of people who want to change the world.
> The devil is always in the details.

I prefer Ludwig Mies van der Rohe's variant, "God is in the details."

Neither the invention of the GPL nor its selection among those who use 
it is in any way accidental.


Our LiveCode community is comprised mostly of people who have decades of 
experience using and building exclusively proprietary software.


In our milieu, the "free" in "free software" is often seen with a focus 
on price.  But it's important to remember that the GPL expresses no 
opinion about price at all.


This is a limitation of English, in which "free" refers to both "gratis" 
and "libre".


With "free software", the "free" is about "libre", or "freedom", the 
explicit freedoms granted in the license to receive source code, to be 
able to study it, to modify it, and to share those modifications with 
your neighbor.


There are many open source licenses. While the GPL and its derivatives 
are the most popular, there's also the Apache License, Mozilla License, 
Python's and PHP's unique licenses, and many others.  There's even a 
WTFPL (see , though be forewarned about the 
language you'll find there ).


There are almost as many different open source licenses as there are 
proprietary ones.  And like proprietary licenses, each has its own 
unique terms and conditions.


One of the reasons the GPL has remained so popular with so many projects 
is because of the values it represents. When your goal is sharing, the 
GPL can be a very good choice because it ensures the sharing will 
continue downstream, that no one can hoard the code released under it.


If that reflects your own values and your goals for a project, the GPL 
is a widely accepted solution to make that happen for you.


But as mostly proprietary-only developers, many in our community view 
the value of code with different goals, mostly monetary and often 
specifically with revenues derived from per-user licensing, which 
requires the code remain concealed from the recipient of the software.


In my own view, I see no harm in either approach.  Both have a useful 
place.  But they do represent different models of how value is derived. 
 While relatively few here see sharing source code as more valuable 
than being paid to keep it secret, there are large numbers of developers 
in other corners of the world with different goals, where the value of 
community contributions outweighs potential license fees.


It may be tempting for those who work exclusively in proprietary 
software to dismiss the GPL as idealistic, just as some free software 
advocates dismiss proprietary software as user-hostile in preventing 
users from fixing bugs or adding features they need.


Personally, I see the GPL as a very pragmatic solution when the goal is 
proliferation.  By ensuring downstream enhancements are shared with the 
world community, a software released under GPL can only become ever more 
capable.


Consider the Internet that deliver this post to you.  Much of the 'Net's 
infrastructure is run on truly free software, and most of the routers, 
switches, and servers are running Linux.  Linux is also at the heart of 
80% of smartphones, 65% of tablets, most embedded devices, and 95% of 
the world's supercomputers.  While Windows continues to dominate the 
desktop, every other form of computing today is largely a Linux story.


This would not likely have been possible without the GPL.  But by 
ensuring that any modifications of the software get shared back to the 
community they came from, Linux has become adapted for a much broader 
range of use cases than any other OS.


We can hope that over time we'll see similar community-driven 
enhancement with LiveCode. And now that v8 is here with Builder, at last 
we have a scriptable interface to OS APIs and object definitions 
(Widgets).  So going forward enhancing the LiveCode experience is no 
longer limited to those proficient in C++.  Anyone who can script can 
extend, modify, and share.


And as a dual-licensed system, LiveCode lets us choose either GPL or 
other licenses depending on our goals for the project at hand.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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RE: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Dave Kilroy]

Long ago, I was a bit leery of using products recommended by Timothy Leary

> Yes , the devil is in the detail... 'leery', is the word you were looking for 
> ?... :-)



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RE: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[John Dixon]

Yes , the devil is in the detail... 'leery', is the word you were looking for 
?... :-)

> From: bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with
> Indy/Business IDE)
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 14:56:54 +
> 
> This is why I am always leary of people who want to change the world. The 
> devil is always in the details.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2016, at 21:33 , Kay C Lan 
> mailto:lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Monte Goulding 
> mailto:mo...@appisle.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We worked hard with all major copyright holders to not repeat history and
> we are confident to have achieved this goal.
> 
> My understanding of the situation is that many contributors to VLC were
> opposed to the stance of a few zealots at FOSS and were of a similar
> opinion to Linus Torvalds:
> 
> www.cnet.com/news/torvalds-lambasts<http://www.cnet.com/news/torvalds-lambasts>
> -free-software-foundation/?_escaped_fragment_=#!
> 
> These people appreciated that Apple's code neither added to or detracted
> from VLC and was simply a distribution system - (not unlike a newsagency or
> bookshop). Links to the developers website on the App Store ensured anyone
> and everyone could have unlimited access to the source code of VLC. The
> zealots took Apple to court, although some VLC contributors argued in
> support of Apple. Apple lost, so took the easiest path and simply removed
> all GPL software from the App Store - the only people hurt that day were GPL
> contributors.
> 
> So in a classic paradox, to fulfil their desire to distribute VLC free and
> open to the World, a band of contributors freed themselves of the
> restrictions placed on them by the FOSS zealots, by rewriting VLC under a
> less restrictive open software license, returned it to the Apple Store who
> were more than willing to distribute their work as far and as wide as they
> could.
> 
> Pick your license carefully - you should ALWAYS read the fine print.
> 
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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Bob Sneidar]

This is why I am always leary of people who want to change the world. The devil 
is always in the details.

Bob S


On May 5, 2016, at 21:33 , Kay C Lan 
mailto:lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Monte Goulding 
mailto:mo...@appisle.net>> wrote:


We worked hard with all major copyright holders to not repeat history and
we are confident to have achieved this goal.

My understanding of the situation is that many contributors to VLC were
opposed to the stance of a few zealots at FOSS and were of a similar
opinion to Linus Torvalds:

www.cnet.com/news/torvalds-lambasts
-free-software-foundation/?_escaped_fragment_=#!

These people appreciated that Apple's code neither added to or detracted
from VLC and was simply a distribution system - (not unlike a newsagency or
bookshop). Links to the developers website on the App Store ensured anyone
and everyone could have unlimited access to the source code of VLC. The
zealots took Apple to court, although some VLC contributors argued in
support of Apple. Apple lost, so took the easiest path and simply removed
all GPL software from the App Store - the only people hurt that day were GPL
contributors.

So in a classic paradox, to fulfil their desire to distribute VLC free and
open to the World, a band of contributors freed themselves of the
restrictions placed on them by the FOSS zealots, by rewriting VLC under a
less restrictive open software license, returned it to the Apple Store who
were more than willing to distribute their work as far and as wide as they
could.

Pick your license carefully - you should ALWAYS read the fine print.

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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Kay C Lan]

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

>
> We worked hard with all major copyright holders to not repeat history and
> we are confident to have achieved this goal.
>
> My understanding of the situation is that many contributors to VLC were
opposed to the stance of a few zealots at FOSS and were of a similar
opinion to Linus Torvalds:

www.cnet.com/news/torvalds-lambasts
-free-software-foundation/?_escaped_fragment_=#!

These people appreciated that Apple's code neither added to or detracted
from VLC and was simply a distribution system - (not unlike a newsagency or
bookshop). Links to the developers website on the App Store ensured anyone
and everyone could have unlimited access to the source code of VLC. The
zealots took Apple to court, although some VLC contributors argued in
support of Apple. Apple lost, so took the easiest path and simply removed
all GPL software from the App Store - the only people hurt that day were GPL
contributors.

So in a classic paradox, to fulfil their desire to distribute VLC free and
open to the World, a band of contributors freed themselves of the
restrictions placed on them by the FOSS zealots, by rewriting VLC under a
less restrictive open software license, returned it to the Apple Store who
were more than willing to distribute their work as far and as wide as they
could.

Pick your license carefully - you should ALWAYS read the fine print.
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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Monte Goulding]

> On 5 May 2016, at 3:34 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
> Mozilla Pubic License

Oh dear… that could be something else entirely ;-)
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Re: VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[Monte Goulding]

It appears to be in the store under the Mozilla Pubic License. From a press 
release:

VLC for iOS is fully open-source. Its code will be available online by tomorrow 
and is bi-licensed under both the Mozilla Public License Version 2 as well as 
the GNU General Public License Version 2 or later. The MPLv2 is applicable for 
distribution on the App Store.
We worked hard with all major copyright holders to not repeat history and we 
are confident to have achieved this goal.

> On 5 May 2016, at 3:12 PM, James Hale  wrote:
> 
> In the referenced thread Monte mentioned something about fmpeg and it 
> associated libraries and licensing.
> Today I was notified of an update the VLC and remembered how that is now 
> available on the App Store.
> Looking at Videolan's site, VLC is GPL 2.
> How is it that it can be distributed under Apple's terms and conditions and 
> still be adhering to its GPL terms and conditions?
> Leaving the fact that there is a conflict here the more interesting question 
> to me is why didn't Apple stop it. I know they did pull it when it first came 
> out for iOS and then a second time but it has been back for a while now. I 
> haven't been able to find anything on the Videolan's site to suggest their 
> license has changed so what gives?
> Is their wiggle room here for LC community apps to get up on the App Store?
> 
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VLC and GPL and LC on iOS (was: Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE)

[James Hale]

In the referenced thread Monte mentioned something about fmpeg and it 
associated libraries and licensing.
Today I was notified of an update the VLC and remembered how that is now 
available on the App Store.
Looking at Videolan's site, VLC is GPL 2.
How is it that it can be distributed under Apple's terms and conditions and 
still be adhering to its GPL terms and conditions?
Leaving the fact that there is a conflict here the more interesting question to 
me is why didn't Apple stop it. I know they did pull it when it first came out 
for iOS and then a second time but it has been back for a while now. I haven't 
been able to find anything on the Videolan's site to suggest their license has 
changed so what gives?
Is their wiggle room here for LC community apps to get up on the App Store?

James

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Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[stephen barncard]

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> mergAV works on OS X


that's the part I needed to know. Thanks.

sqb

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Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[Monte Goulding]

mergAV works on OS X because AVFoundation is very similar on iOS and OS X but 
it would be a major project to create similar functionality for the other 
platforms. It would probably need to be a separate FFmpeg external and then 
that external probably wouldn’t be iOS compatible because of the difficulty 
complying with LGPL in iOS externals for LiveCode and then there’s the whole 
MPEG LA patent quagmire that I very much doubt LiveCode Ltd would like to step 
into.

> On 5 May 2016, at 1:25 PM, stephen barncard  
> wrote:
> 
> belated question- sorry if it's been asked before...  will mergAV work on
> the desktop, or is it planned?
> hope I'm not being annoying.
> 
> thanks
> sqb
> 
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
> 
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
>> The integration of the externals made it into LC 8.0.0 but the changes to
>> the standalone builder to make them easier to use didn’t because of the
>> risk of introducing regressions to such a critical component. Ali is on it
>> though so you should see that happen very soon. For now either copy them
>> out or download separately.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2016, at 5:09 AM, Stephen MacLean 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very nice!
>>> 
>>> Question: How do you access them from inside the IDE?
>>> 
>>> I see them in the package contents, but nothing related to them in the
>> IDE. i.e. nothing in the plugins menu, etc.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Steve MacLean
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[stephen barncard]

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

> will mergAV work on the desktop, or is it planned?


never mind. The platforms seem to be clearly shown at mergext.com


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Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[stephen barncard]

belated question- sorry if it's been asked before...  will mergAV work on
the desktop, or is it planned?
hope I'm not being annoying.

thanks
sqb

Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> The integration of the externals made it into LC 8.0.0 but the changes to
> the standalone builder to make them easier to use didn’t because of the
> risk of introducing regressions to such a critical component. Ali is on it
> though so you should see that happen very soon. For now either copy them
> out or download separately.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> > On 5 May 2016, at 5:09 AM, Stephen MacLean 
> wrote:
> >
> > Very nice!
> >
> > Question: How do you access them from inside the IDE?
> >
> > I see them in the package contents, but nothing related to them in the
> IDE. i.e. nothing in the plugins menu, etc.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Steve MacLean
> >
> >
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Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[Stephen MacLean]

Thanks Monte!

> On May 4, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
> The integration of the externals made it into LC 8.0.0 but the changes to the 
> standalone builder to make them easier to use didn’t because of the risk of 
> introducing regressions to such a critical component. Ali is on it though so 
> you should see that happen very soon. For now either copy them out or 
> download separately.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
>> On 5 May 2016, at 5:09 AM, Stephen MacLean  wrote:
>> 
>> Very nice!
>> 
>> Question: How do you access them from inside the IDE?
>> 
>> I see them in the package contents, but nothing related to them in the IDE. 
>> i.e. nothing in the plugins menu, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Steve MacLean
>> 
>> 
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Re: MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[Monte Goulding]

The integration of the externals made it into LC 8.0.0 but the changes to the 
standalone builder to make them easier to use didn’t because of the risk of 
introducing regressions to such a critical component. Ali is on it though so 
you should see that happen very soon. For now either copy them out or download 
separately.

Cheers

Monte

> On 5 May 2016, at 5:09 AM, Stephen MacLean  wrote:
> 
> Very nice!
> 
> Question: How do you access them from inside the IDE?
> 
> I see them in the package contents, but nothing related to them in the IDE. 
> i.e. nothing in the plugins menu, etc.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve MacLean
> 
> 
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MergEXT now included with Indy/Business IDE

[Stephen MacLean]

Very nice!

Question: How do you access them from inside the IDE?

I see them in the package contents, but nothing related to them in the IDE. 
i.e. nothing in the plugins menu, etc.

Thanks!

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Re: mergExt Acquisition

[Monte Goulding]

> On 19 Feb 2016, at 2:06 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> Does the FTP external do SFTP?

No, sorry, I wouldn’t use it if it were transferring sensitive data to and from 
the phone
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Re: mergExt Acquisition

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

Does the FTP external do SFTP?

BR

On February 18, 2016 at 4:58:38 PM, Monte Goulding 
(mo...@appisle.net<mailto:mo...@appisle.net>) wrote:

On 2/18/2016 6:35 PM<http://airmail.calendar/2016-02-18%2018:35:00%20HST>, 
Clarence P Martin wrote:
> I hope the MergExt will include all systems, ie. Android also?

The announcement says they will aim for that. I'm waiting with
anticipation, since all my mobile apps so far have been cross platform,
which has prevented me from using almost all of Monte's externals.
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Re: mergExt Acquisition

[Monte Goulding]

> On 19 Feb 2016, at 12:04 PM, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> I agree with you, Clarence.  The words "cross platform where appropriate"
> leaves it unclear just how much or how little will be ported.  I expect if
> it is difficult to do it will remain iOS only.

I believe the goal will be to make them as cross platform as feasible and use 
widgets where we can. It may involve some significant API changes. There’s 
definitely some things which aren’t available on iOS though. For example, 
mergSocial relies on a framework that isn’t there in Android. We can workaround 
this by making cross platform Facebook and Twitter externals/extensions but 
that’s not a port of mergSocial. Every time this has been raised I have made it 
clear that the main thing I needed was a client that felt it was important 
enough to their business that things be cross platform that they would pay me 
to do it. Well I have that now as it’s clearly critically important to 
LiveCode. There was and still are a couple of technical hurdles to jump for 
some things like maps on android but we can get there I’m sure.

Having said all that I always saw the role of mergExt to be twofold. Features 
that probably shouldn’t be put in the engine to avoid bloating it which may or 
may not be cross platform. Things like barcode reading, camera controls & maps 
I think fit there. Then there’s things that are OS bling. These might be unique 
APIs like the Social framework or Touch ID. I have a little from column A and a 
little from column B. Column A should lend itself to porting. To get equity 
from column B we might look for more bling from Android and other platforms. I 
did this in my Android external experiments in the excellently named 
mergPopToast command.

I probably should say though that Kevin’s plans might be different from mine 
and he’s directing this show now ;-)

Cheers

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Re: mergExt Acquisition

[J. Landman Gay]

On 2/18/2016 6:35 PM, Clarence P Martin wrote:

I hope the MergExt will include all systems, ie. Android also?


The announcement says they will aim for that. I'm waiting with 
anticipation, since all my mobile apps so far have been cross platform, 
which has prevented me from using almost all of Monte's externals.


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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RE: mergExt Acquisition

[Roger Eller]

I agree with you, Clarence.  The words "cross platform where appropriate"
leaves it unclear just how much or how little will be ported.  I expect if
it is difficult to do it will remain iOS only.
On Feb 18, 2016 7:36 PM, "Clarence P Martin"  wrote:

> I hope the MergExt will include all systems, ie. Android also?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Clarence Martin
> Email: chi...@themartinz.com
> Cell: 626 6965561
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Kevin Miller
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:46 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode ; LiveCode
> Developer
> List 
> Subject: mergExt Acquisition
>
> Dear All,
>
> As Monte mentioned on this list yesterday, we are delighted to announce a
> very exciting acquisition for LiveCode: we have purchased the full suite of
> the invaluable mergEXT externals for iOS. These will shortly be included
> with your Indy or Business license purchase. We will also be hiring Monte
> to
> work for us full time. Over time our team will work with Monte over the
> course of the coming months to turn the mergEXT suite into integrated
> widgets that work cross platform where appropriate.
>
> You can read all about this acquisition here:
>
> https://livecode.com/merging-with-mergext/
>
> You guys don't need to be told just how valuable Monte is going to be to
> our
> team! We can't wait to start working with him.
>
> The addition of mergEXT adds a huge amount of value to the license
> packages.
> We also have a staggering list of new features and benefits coming with
> LiveCode 8, in the near, medium and longer term future. We are adjusting
> our
> pricing strategy to account for this added value, incrementally over time.
> You can read all about this here:
>
> https://livecode.com/leap-to-future/
>
> Right now, you can still get everything including the mergEXT addons for
> the
> current price of Indy, and you can lock in at that price.
>
> Footnote: For those of you with an Indy or Business license already, we
> need
> to ask for your patience. It is going to take us a little time to drop the
> mergEXT suite into your accounts retrospectively. Please don't write to
> support to ask why its not there yet, for at least a week! :) We will send
> out an announcement when it is all done and you can go look for it in your
> account. We are working on that now.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
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RE: mergExt Acquisition

[Clarence P Martin]

I hope the MergExt will include all systems, ie. Android also?

Sincerely,

Clarence Martin
Email: chi...@themartinz.com
Cell: 626 6965561

-Original Message-
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Of Kevin Miller
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:46 AM
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List 
Subject: mergExt Acquisition

Dear All,

As Monte mentioned on this list yesterday, we are delighted to announce a
very exciting acquisition for LiveCode: we have purchased the full suite of
the invaluable mergEXT externals for iOS. These will shortly be included
with your Indy or Business license purchase. We will also be hiring Monte to
work for us full time. Over time our team will work with Monte over the
course of the coming months to turn the mergEXT suite into integrated
widgets that work cross platform where appropriate.

You can read all about this acquisition here:

https://livecode.com/merging-with-mergext/

You guys don't need to be told just how valuable Monte is going to be to our
team! We can't wait to start working with him.

The addition of mergEXT adds a huge amount of value to the license packages.
We also have a staggering list of new features and benefits coming with
LiveCode 8, in the near, medium and longer term future. We are adjusting our
pricing strategy to account for this added value, incrementally over time.
You can read all about this here:

https://livecode.com/leap-to-future/

Right now, you can still get everything including the mergEXT addons for the
current price of Indy, and you can lock in at that price.

Footnote: For those of you with an Indy or Business license already, we need
to ask for your patience. It is going to take us a little time to drop the
mergEXT suite into your accounts retrospectively. Please don't write to
support to ask why its not there yet, for at least a week! :) We will send
out an announcement when it is all done and you can go look for it in your
account. We are working on that now.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Monte Goulding]

> On 19 Feb 2016, at 5:30 AM, Matt Maier  wrote:
> 
> That's awesome, congrats Monte and Livecode.

Thanks Matt
> 
> Can you clarify the uses of mergExt? Since mergExt is closed source, does
> that mean we just can't use any of those widgets if we want to release open
> source, or is there a way to separate them out as some kind of binary
> bundle?

There are a few of open source externals (mergJSON, mergMarkdown, mergContact, 
mergDevice). Those that are open source will remain so but there is no plan to 
open source the rest which means they are not compatible with LiveCode 
Community.

> Can they be used from a web app in support of operations on a
> phone, or do they have to be on the phone itself?

No they need to be included in the app. Currently this is by adding them to the 
copy files of the standalone but as soon as we can we will extend the 
extensions format to support externals (and I’m hoping other things like 
libraries) to give a better experience for all types of extensions not just LCB 
based.

Cheers

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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Matt Maier]

That's awesome, congrats Monte and Livecode.

Can you clarify the uses of mergExt? Since mergExt is closed source, does
that mean we just can't use any of those widgets if we want to release open
source, or is there a way to separate them out as some kind of binary
bundle? Can they be used from a web app in support of operations on a
phone, or do they have to be on the phone itself?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> Thanks for the love folks.
>
> > On 18 Feb 2016, at 3:50 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> >
> > On 02/17/2016 03:01 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> >> Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!
> >>
> >> Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt
> Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is
> for most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed
> users.
> >
> > 'rather large'... Monte has a way with understatements...
> >
> > Woot! This is great news for everybody!
> >
> > --
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mergExt Acquisition

[Kevin Miller]

Dear All,

As Monte mentioned on this list yesterday, we are delighted to announce a
very exciting acquisition for LiveCode: we have purchased the full suite of
the invaluable mergEXT externals for iOS. These will shortly be included
with your Indy or Business license purchase. We will also be hiring Monte to
work for us full time. Over time our team will work with Monte over the
course of the coming months to turn the mergEXT suite into integrated
widgets that work cross platform where appropriate.

You can read all about this acquisition here:

https://livecode.com/merging-with-mergext/

You guys don't need to be told just how valuable Monte is going to be to our
team! We can't wait to start working with him.

The addition of mergEXT adds a huge amount of value to the license packages.
We also have a staggering list of new features and benefits coming with
LiveCode 8, in the near, medium and longer term future. We are adjusting our
pricing strategy to account for this added value, incrementally over time.
You can read all about this here:

https://livecode.com/leap-to-future/

Right now, you can still get everything including the mergEXT addons for the
current price of Indy, and you can lock in at that price.

Footnote: For those of you with an Indy or Business license already, we need
to ask for your patience. It is going to take us a little time to drop the
mergEXT suite into your accounts retrospectively. Please don't write to
support to ask why its not there yet, for at least a week! :) We will send
out an announcement when it is all done and you can go look for it in your
account. We are working on that now.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Monte Goulding]

Thanks for the love folks.

> On 18 Feb 2016, at 3:50 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> On 02/17/2016 03:01 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!
>> 
>> Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt 
>> Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is for 
>> most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed users.
> 
> 'rather large'... Monte has a way with understatements...
> 
> Woot! This is great news for everybody!
> 
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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Mark Wieder]

On 02/17/2016 03:01 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:

Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!

Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt 
Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is for 
most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed users.


'rather large'... Monte has a way with understatements...

Woot! This is great news for everybody!

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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Roger Eller]

Hi Kevin,

I am VERY pleased that you intend to make these tools cross-platform.  A
dev environment such as LiveCode which is marketed as cross-platform,
should have cross-platform add-ons (I have always said).  This will be a
great value for many potential new customers.  I have never believed that
any feature could only be possible in iOS.  You just need the right people
working on porting the features.  They ARE out there.

~Roger


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Kevin Miller  wrote:

> Indeed, we are super delighted by this and to be welcoming Monte. The plan
> is to turn the best of these externals into widgets and make them cross
> platform over the course of the year.
>
> The ink is literally only dry on this deal minutes ago, we were planning
> to take another day or so to button up the Q&A around this and carefully
> announce it to you all. We are doing that now! :) We¹ll answer your
> question(s) when that is done.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
>
>
> On 17/02/2016 11:21, "use-livecode on behalf of Ben Rubinstein"
> 
> wrote:
>
> >This is great news for LiveCode.
> >
> >Thank you Monte for your incredible work.
> >
> > > exclusively licensed
> >
> >How does that effect existing licensees?
> >
> >Ben
> >
> >On 17/02/2016 11:01, Monte Goulding wrote:
> >> Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!
> >>
> >> Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt
> >>Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is
> >>for most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy
> >>licensed users.
> >>
> >> We will aim to have little or no interruption of access to the
> >>externals for exisiting users. I will continue to maintain the suite,
> >>however, the support queue will now be via supp...@livecode.com. I will
> >>be joining the development team soon and look forward to being able to
> >>work on the platform and extensions full time.
> >>
> >> Thanks to all those that have supported mergExt over the years!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Monte
> >
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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[William Prothero]

Me too. Wonderful news!
Thanks for your wonderful additions to livecode, Monte!
Bill




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RE: [ANN] mergExt News

[Ralph DiMola]

+ 100 also.

Hey Monte,

Did you get a pancake printer included in that contract?


Stephen MacLean wrote:

 > This is just fantastic news!
 >
 > I’ve always been impressed and pleased by Monte, his externals and  > his 
 > abilities. They really fill some big holes in LC.
 >
 > As someone who’s been hitting frustrating roadblock after roadblock  > 
 > recently with LC, starting to look elsewhere, this news has jump  > started 
 > my hopes again! I also hope that this means that we’ll  > finally get access 
 > to lower level OS calls and toolbox kits via LCB  > (in something other than 
 > C;))  >  > Again, this is just fantastic news!!!



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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Richard Gaskin]

Stephen MacLean wrote:

> This is just fantastic news!
>
> I’ve always been impressed and pleased by Monte, his externals and
> his abilities. They really fill some big holes in LC.
>
> As someone who’s been hitting frustrating roadblock after roadblock
> recently with LC, starting to look elsewhere, this news has jump
> started my hopes again! I also hope that this means that we’ll
> finally get access to lower level OS calls and toolbox kits via LCB
> (in something other than C;))
>
> Again, this is just fantastic news!!!

+100

This gives us an opportunity to acknowledge Monte's other tremendous 
contributions to LiveCode as well, including his 166 commits to the code 
base he's racked up to date:

https://github.com/livecode/livecode/graphs/contributors

Any closer relationship between Monte and the core dev team can only be 
a very good thing for all of us who enjoy LiveCode.


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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Stephen MacLean]

This is just fantastic news! 

I’ve always been impressed and pleased by Monte, his externals and his 
abilities. They really fill some big holes in LC.

As someone who’s been hitting frustrating roadblock after roadblock recently 
with LC, starting to look elsewhere, this news has jump started my hopes again! 
I also hope that this means that we’ll finally get access to lower level OS 
calls and toolbox kits via LCB (in something other than C;))

Again, this is just fantastic news!!!

Best,

Steve MacLean

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 6:01 AM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
> Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!
> 
> Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt 
> Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is for 
> most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed users.
> 
> We will aim to have little or no interruption of access to the externals for 
> exisiting users. I will continue to maintain the suite, however, the support 
> queue will now be via supp...@livecode.com. I will be joining the development 
> team soon and look forward to being able to work on the platform and 
> extensions full time.
> 
> Thanks to all those that have supported mergExt over the years!
> 
> Cheers 
> 
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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Monte Goulding]

Woops.. Sorry

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Feb 2016, at 10:29 PM, Kevin Miller  wrote:
> 
> we were planning
> to take another day or so to button up the Q&A around this and carefully
> announce it to you all.

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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Monte Goulding]

Thanks Ben

There's still a few things to sort out with Kevin but we will try and ensure 
existing users won't be impacted. For the time being if you have access then 
continue to use it during the transition. If you need access then contact 
supp...@livecode.com

Cheers

Monte

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Feb 2016, at 10:21 PM, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
> 
> This is great news for LiveCode.
> 
> Thank you Monte for your incredible work.
> 
> > exclusively licensed
> 
> How does that effect existing licensees?
> 
> Ben
> 
>> On 17/02/2016 11:01, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!
>> 
>> Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt 
>> Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is for 
>> most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed users.
>> 
>> We will aim to have little or no interruption of access to the externals for 
>> exisiting users. I will continue to maintain the suite, however, the support 
>> queue will now be via supp...@livecode.com. I will be joining the 
>> development team soon and look forward to being able to work on the platform 
>> and extensions full time.
>> 
>> Thanks to all those that have supported mergExt over the years!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
> 
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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Kevin Miller]

Indeed, we are super delighted by this and to be welcoming Monte. The plan
is to turn the best of these externals into widgets and make them cross
platform over the course of the year.

The ink is literally only dry on this deal minutes ago, we were planning
to take another day or so to button up the Q&A around this and carefully
announce it to you all. We are doing that now! :) We¹ll answer your
question(s) when that is done.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 17/02/2016 11:21, "use-livecode on behalf of Ben Rubinstein"

wrote:

>This is great news for LiveCode.
>
>Thank you Monte for your incredible work.
>
> > exclusively licensed
>
>How does that effect existing licensees?
>
>Ben
>
>On 17/02/2016 11:01, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!
>>
>> Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt
>>Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is
>>for most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy
>>licensed users.
>>
>> We will aim to have little or no interruption of access to the
>>externals for exisiting users. I will continue to maintain the suite,
>>however, the support queue will now be via supp...@livecode.com. I will
>>be joining the development team soon and look forward to being able to
>>work on the platform and extensions full time.
>>
>> Thanks to all those that have supported mergExt over the years!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Monte
>
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Re: [ANN] mergExt News

[Ben Rubinstein]

This is great news for LiveCode.

Thank you Monte for your incredible work.

> exclusively licensed

How does that effect existing licensees?

Ben

On 17/02/2016 11:01, Monte Goulding wrote:

Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!

Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt 
Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is for 
most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed users.

We will aim to have little or no interruption of access to the externals for 
exisiting users. I will continue to maintain the suite, however, the support 
queue will now be via supp...@livecode.com. I will be joining the development 
team soon and look forward to being able to work on the platform and extensions 
full time.

Thanks to all those that have supported mergExt over the years!

Cheers

Monte



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[ANN] mergExt News

[Monte Goulding]

Hi LiveCoders and in particular mergExt users!

Today I have a rather large announcement to make about mergExt. mergExt 
Externals are now exclusively licensed to LiveCode Ltd. The intention is for 
most or all of the externals to be available to LiveCode Indy licensed users.

We will aim to have little or no interruption of access to the externals for 
exisiting users. I will continue to maintain the suite, however, the support 
queue will now be via supp...@livecode.com. I will be joining the development 
team soon and look forward to being able to work on the platform and extensions 
full time.

Thanks to all those that have supported mergExt over the years!

Cheers 

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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Monte Goulding]

> On 11 Feb 2016, at 9:26 PM, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
> 
> N -1!
> 
> On 10/02/2016 15:41, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> The other thing that would be nice would be to maybe have the new versions
>> not be marked with the version number.  I realize that can be dangerous,
>> but for every app, I have to go into Copy Files for every external and
>> point to the new one.  When I forget (especially if I haven't done a new
>> build in a while), that means at least one "whoops" build.
> 
> I strongly disagree. I'd much rather have control and know exactly which 
> version I'm using with each application. Admittedly in this case the changes 
> may be mostly invisible tweaks to accomodate iOS differences, but stuff 
> always needs testing, and there can easily be unexpected effects.
> 
> I'd much rather have to do a small amount of deliberate work upfront when I 
> want to switch to a new version, than have to spend more time diagnosing 
> mysterious behaviour when I did it without meaning to. That's especially 
> going to happen to an app where I haven't done a new build in a while.
> 
> My feature request, on the contrary, would be for for Monte to add a standard 
> "mergVersion" function to every external in the suite, so that we can always 
> verify exactly what we've got (and so that app error reports, for example, 
> can include this information by default).
> 
> My AUS$ 0.02,

At this stage what I’m considering is an additional large archive containing 
all externals so you can still download individual files. At the moment I scp a 
large archive over to my server and run a script on it to deploy everything 
into the right spot. It shouldn’t be overly complicated to extract each of the 
external archives and then archive the lot at the end of that script.

A version function is probably feasible (I need to be able to automate changing 
the version number from by external builder stack. It’s probably not something 
I’ll get to in the very short term though.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Ben Rubinstein]

N -1!

On 10/02/2016 15:41, Mike Kerner wrote:

The other thing that would be nice would be to maybe have the new versions
not be marked with the version number.  I realize that can be dangerous,
but for every app, I have to go into Copy Files for every external and
point to the new one.  When I forget (especially if I haven't done a new
build in a while), that means at least one "whoops" build.


I strongly disagree. I'd much rather have control and know exactly which 
version I'm using with each application. Admittedly in this case the changes 
may be mostly invisible tweaks to accomodate iOS differences, but stuff always 
needs testing, and there can easily be unexpected effects.


I'd much rather have to do a small amount of deliberate work upfront when I 
want to switch to a new version, than have to spend more time diagnosing 
mysterious behaviour when I did it without meaning to. That's especially going 
to happen to an app where I haven't done a new build in a while.


My feature request, on the contrary, would be for for Monte to add a standard 
"mergVersion" function to every external in the suite, so that we can always 
verify exactly what we've got (and so that app error reports, for example, can 
include this information by default).


My AUS$ 0.02,

Ben


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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Mike Kerner]

At least for me, I'd take just the blob - consider it a compromise for
getting a blob.  The version number could appear in an index, or release
notes, perhaps?  Otherwise we might have to do something to the Copy Files
feature in LC.  I understand there will be cases where someone will want to
get some sort of warning instead of just installing the latest and
greatest, so maybe the idea can/should be addressed via a different
mechanism.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> I'll try and add it to my deployment script before the next rebuild for an
> SDK. I'm guessing you want the option of either one big blob or just the
> individual files. The version numbers are a bit tricker given that at
> present that is the only place a version number appears.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 11 Feb 2016, at 1:07 AM, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
> >
> > For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
> > the current versions of everything would be nice.
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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Monte Goulding]

I'll try and add it to my deployment script before the next rebuild for an SDK. 
I'm guessing you want the option of either one big blob or just the individual 
files. The version numbers are a bit tricker given that at present that is the 
only place a version number appears.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Feb 2016, at 1:07 AM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
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> For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
> the current versions of everything would be nice.

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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Mike Kerner]

The other thing that would be nice would be to maybe have the new versions
not be marked with the version number.  I realize that can be dangerous,
but for every app, I have to go into Copy Files for every external and
point to the new one.  When I forget (especially if I haven't done a new
build in a while), that means at least one "whoops" build.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
s...@magicgate.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Colin Kelly 
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/02/2016, 14:07, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Kerner" <
> > use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> > mikeker...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Request:
> > >For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
> > >the current versions of everything would be nice.
> > >
> > >On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Monte Goulding 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

+1

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Colin Kelly  wrote:

> +1
>
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2016, 14:07, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Kerner" <
> use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
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>
> >Request:
> >For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
> >the current versions of everything would be nice.
> >
> >On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Monte Goulding 
> wrote:
>
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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Colin Kelly]

+1 




On 10/02/2016, 14:07, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Kerner" 
 
wrote:

>Request:
>For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
>the current versions of everything would be nice.
>
>On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Monte Goulding  wrote:


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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Guglielmo Braguglia]

+1 ... would be very nice :-)

Guglielmo


Mike Kerner 
10 February 2016 at 15:07 PM
Request:
For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
the current versions of everything would be nice.




Monte Goulding 
10 February 2016 at 06:41 AM
Hi LiveCoders

I have just uploaded new releases of my externals to support iOS 9.2 
in addition to some minor bug fixing to mergMK animations of drag and 
drop custom image annotation pins.


See more at http://mergext.com

Cheers

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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Mike Kerner]

Request:
For folks who buy the whole kit-and-kaboodle, a monolithic download with
the current versions of everything would be nice.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> Hi LiveCoders
>
> I have just uploaded new releases of my externals to support iOS 9.2 in
> addition to some minor bug fixing to mergMK animations of drag and drop
> custom image annotation pins.
>
> See more at http://mergext.com
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Scott Morrow]

Thanks Monte! Fast, as usual.

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> On Feb 9, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
> Hi LiveCoders
> 
> I have just uploaded new releases of my externals to support iOS 9.2 in 
> addition to some minor bug fixing to mergMK animations of drag and drop 
> custom image annotation pins.
> 
> See more at http://mergext.com
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
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[ANN] mergExt releases for iOS 9.2

[Monte Goulding]

Hi LiveCoders

I have just uploaded new releases of my externals to support iOS 9.2 in 
addition to some minor bug fixing to mergMK animations of drag and drop custom 
image annotation pins.

See more at http://mergext.com

Cheers

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[ANN] mergExt iOS 9.1 releases

[Monte Goulding]

Hi LiveCoders

I have just uploaded new builds of all my iOS externals to support iOS 9.1 
using the latest versions of Xcode and LiveCode.

Also a friendly reminder that the 3 year special ends on Sunday http://mergext 
<http://mergext/>.com/special

Cheers

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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Monte Goulding]

Thanks Ben

I’m looking forward to hearing about the things people make with mergBLE. 
Definitely lots of possibilities for the arduino fans.

Cheers

Monte

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 7:33 pm, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
> 
> Just to testify - the new mergBLE arrived right on time to save me struggling 
> through the process of building my own externals, and did exactly what I 
> needed.
> 
> In fact since I was completely unable to locate the resources for building 
> externals, it meant I could stop writing a native app, and immediately become 
> more productive.
> 
> Thank you Monte for your continuing work, which for me absolutely bridges the 
> gap to making LC for iOS a real option. You're a LiveCode Hero.
> 
> Ben
> 
> On 12/10/2015 03:31, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> Hi LiveCoders
>> 
>> Today I am releasing a huge update to mergExt Complete and announcing a 
>> special price available for the rest of the month.
>> 
>> mergBLE 1.0 - CoreBluetooth external for iOS and OS X. Use BLE between Mac 
>> and iOS or between iOS devices or between some of the great sensors 
>> available and your app. For the arduino hackers out there you will love 
>> pairing this external with the ReadBearLab BLE shield. Control anything from 
>> your Mac or iOS device!!!  (Also sold separately for $49).
>> 
>> mergGoogle 1.0 - This external for iOS and OS X currently implements google 
>> spreadsheets. (Also sold separately for $49).
>> 
>> mergMK 3.0 - This update to mergMK supports querying directions between 
>> locations.
>> 
>> iOS 9 support - all the mergExt externals have now been updated for iOS 9 
>> support.
>> 
>> The mergExt Complete bundle now weighs in at a hefty $1038 worth of 
>> individual products for only $299. Yes that’s right folks. We’ve cracked the 
>> ton!
>> 
>> Special Price: 3 years of access to mergExt Complete for $499. That’s a huge 
>> $398 saving folks. Use this link to access the special deal 
>> http://mergext.com/special/ <http://mergext.com/special/> 
>> <http://mergext.com/special/ <http://mergext.com/special/>> The first 5 
>> people taking advantage of the special price will also get an additional 6 
>> months at no extra charge. Get it while it’s hot!!!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
>> 
>> --
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>> Software development services
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>> 
>> mergExt <http://mergext.com/ <http://mergext.com/>> - There's an external 
>> for that!
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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Ben Rubinstein]

Just to testify - the new mergBLE arrived right on time to save me struggling 
through the process of building my own externals, and did exactly what I needed.


In fact since I was completely unable to locate the resources for building 
externals, it meant I could stop writing a native app, and immediately become 
more productive.


Thank you Monte for your continuing work, which for me absolutely bridges the 
gap to making LC for iOS a real option. You're a LiveCode Hero.


Ben

On 12/10/2015 03:31, Monte Goulding wrote:

Hi LiveCoders

Today I am releasing a huge update to mergExt Complete and announcing a special 
price available for the rest of the month.

mergBLE 1.0 - CoreBluetooth external for iOS and OS X. Use BLE between Mac and 
iOS or between iOS devices or between some of the great sensors available and 
your app. For the arduino hackers out there you will love pairing this external 
with the ReadBearLab BLE shield. Control anything from your Mac or iOS 
device!!!  (Also sold separately for $49).

mergGoogle 1.0 - This external for iOS and OS X currently implements google 
spreadsheets. (Also sold separately for $49).

mergMK 3.0 - This update to mergMK supports querying directions between 
locations.

iOS 9 support - all the mergExt externals have now been updated for iOS 9 
support.

The mergExt Complete bundle now weighs in at a hefty $1038 worth of individual 
products for only $299. Yes that’s right folks. We’ve cracked the ton!

Special Price: 3 years of access to mergExt Complete for $499. That’s a huge $398 
saving folks. Use this link to access the special deal http://mergext.com/special/ 
<http://mergext.com/special/> The first 5 people taking advantage of the 
special price will also get an additional 6 months at no extra charge. Get it while 
it’s hot!!!

Cheers

Monte

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RE: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Nakia Brewer]

Great!

Yeah my question was just for in house 'tinkering'.


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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Monte Goulding
Sent: Wednesday, 14 October 2015 8:05 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & 
special price

Sure but there's obviously licensing issues if you wanted to distribute an app. 
For personal and even in-house company use there's no problem though.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 7:59 am, Nakia Brewer  wrote:
>
> By any chance will mergBLE work with the community edition on OSX?

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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Monte Goulding]

Sure but there's obviously licensing issues if you wanted to distribute an app. 
For personal and even in-house company use there's no problem though.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 7:59 am, Nakia Brewer  wrote:
> 
> By any chance will mergBLE work with the community edition on OSX?

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RE: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Nakia Brewer]

Hi Monte,

By any chance will mergBLE work with the community edition on OSX?

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Monte Goulding
Sent: Monday, 12 October 2015 1:32 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & 
special price

Hi LiveCoders

Today I am releasing a huge update to mergExt Complete and announcing a special 
price available for the rest of the month.

mergBLE 1.0 - CoreBluetooth external for iOS and OS X. Use BLE between Mac and 
iOS or between iOS devices or between some of the great sensors available and 
your app. For the arduino hackers out there you will love pairing this external 
with the ReadBearLab BLE shield. Control anything from your Mac or iOS 
device!!!  (Also sold separately for $49).

mergGoogle 1.0 - This external for iOS and OS X currently implements google 
spreadsheets. (Also sold separately for $49).

mergMK 3.0 - This update to mergMK supports querying directions between 
locations.

iOS 9 support - all the mergExt externals have now been updated for iOS 9 
support.

The mergExt Complete bundle now weighs in at a hefty $1038 worth of individual 
products for only $299. Yes that’s right folks. We’ve cracked the ton!

Special Price: 3 years of access to mergExt Complete for $499. That’s a huge 
$398 saving folks. Use this link to access the special deal 
http://mergext.com/special/ <http://mergext.com/special/> The first 5 people 
taking advantage of the special price will also get an additional 6 months at 
no extra charge. Get it while it’s hot!!!

Cheers

Monte

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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Monte Goulding]

> On 13 Oct 2015, at 1:41 pm, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> There is a mention of running C++ in a sandboxed environment here.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Native_Client 
> 
> 
> "An alternative of sorts to NaCl is asm.js, which also allows C and C++
> applications to be compiled to run in the browser (at more than half the
> native speed), and also supports ahead-of-time compilation, but is a subset
> of JavaScript and hence backwards-compatible with browsers that do not
> support it directly."
> 
> So, perhaps inside a browser object?

^ Is what the HTML 5 version of LC is. LC compiled as javascript. It won’t help 
us here. My gut feeling is just wait for extensions. The recent work done on 
the browser widget indicates we will be able to do some really interesting 
things with native layers soon.

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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Roger Eller]

There is a mention of running C++ in a sandboxed environment here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Native_Client

"An alternative of sorts to NaCl is asm.js, which also allows C and C++
applications to be compiled to run in the browser (at more than half the
native speed), and also supports ahead-of-time compilation, but is a subset
of JavaScript and hence backwards-compatible with browsers that do not
support it directly."

So, perhaps inside a browser object?
On Oct 12, 2015 10:21 PM, "Monte Goulding" 
wrote:

> That’s not a GData sdk but interesting nonetheless. It appears I could
> implement a google play games services external that cross compiles for
> Android and iOS. Good find Roger!
>
> > On 13 Oct 2015, at 1:14 pm, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
> >
> > Since you're the brain, and have the rare capability to create the under
> > the hood magic that so many of us LC consumers need, the best I can do is
> > Google what you asked for.
> >
> > This probably is not the thing you need, and I have no idea whether this
> is
> > at all helpful, but...
> >
> https://developers.google.com/games/services/cpp/GettingStartedNativeClient?hl=en
> > On Oct 12, 2015 6:18 PM, "Monte Goulding" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On 13 Oct 2015, at 9:04 am, Roger Eller 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know I can't be the only LC user that would renew the full suite if
> >>> Android was included.  Especially for access to the Google api stuff.
> >>> Sorry if I sound like a broken record.
> >>
> >> Well if you can point me to a C or C++ sdk I’ll gladly do it and we can
> >> have Windows, Linux and server too. mergGoogle uses an objective-c sdk
> >> which is why it’s iOS & OS X only. Where I’ve been able to use cross
> >> platform libraries I’ve made the externals cross platform too (mergJSON,
> >> mergMarkdown). Now of course mergGoogle is just calling web api so it
> would
> >> be feasible to implement it in LiveCode. The cost of doing so is
> obviously
> >> a lot higher (both for initial implementation and ling term maintenance)
> >> than hooking up google’s official sdk which as I mentioned is not
> available
> >> as a cross platform library…
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Monte
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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Monte Goulding]

That’s not a GData sdk but interesting nonetheless. It appears I could 
implement a google play games services external that cross compiles for Android 
and iOS. Good find Roger!

> On 13 Oct 2015, at 1:14 pm, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> Since you're the brain, and have the rare capability to create the under
> the hood magic that so many of us LC consumers need, the best I can do is
> Google what you asked for.
> 
> This probably is not the thing you need, and I have no idea whether this is
> at all helpful, but...
> https://developers.google.com/games/services/cpp/GettingStartedNativeClient?hl=en
> On Oct 12, 2015 6:18 PM, "Monte Goulding" 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Oct 2015, at 9:04 am, Roger Eller 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know I can't be the only LC user that would renew the full suite if
>>> Android was included.  Especially for access to the Google api stuff.
>>> Sorry if I sound like a broken record.
>> 
>> Well if you can point me to a C or C++ sdk I’ll gladly do it and we can
>> have Windows, Linux and server too. mergGoogle uses an objective-c sdk
>> which is why it’s iOS & OS X only. Where I’ve been able to use cross
>> platform libraries I’ve made the externals cross platform too (mergJSON,
>> mergMarkdown). Now of course mergGoogle is just calling web api so it would
>> be feasible to implement it in LiveCode. The cost of doing so is obviously
>> a lot higher (both for initial implementation and ling term maintenance)
>> than hooking up google’s official sdk which as I mentioned is not available
>> as a cross platform library…
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Roger Eller]

Since you're the brain, and have the rare capability to create the under
the hood magic that so many of us LC consumers need, the best I can do is
Google what you asked for.

This probably is not the thing you need, and I have no idea whether this is
at all helpful, but...
https://developers.google.com/games/services/cpp/GettingStartedNativeClient?hl=en
On Oct 12, 2015 6:18 PM, "Monte Goulding" 
wrote:

>
> > On 13 Oct 2015, at 9:04 am, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
> >
> > I know I can't be the only LC user that would renew the full suite if
> > Android was included.  Especially for access to the Google api stuff.
> > Sorry if I sound like a broken record.
>
> Well if you can point me to a C or C++ sdk I’ll gladly do it and we can
> have Windows, Linux and server too. mergGoogle uses an objective-c sdk
> which is why it’s iOS & OS X only. Where I’ve been able to use cross
> platform libraries I’ve made the externals cross platform too (mergJSON,
> mergMarkdown). Now of course mergGoogle is just calling web api so it would
> be feasible to implement it in LiveCode. The cost of doing so is obviously
> a lot higher (both for initial implementation and ling term maintenance)
> than hooking up google’s official sdk which as I mentioned is not available
> as a cross platform library…
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Monte Goulding]

> On 13 Oct 2015, at 9:04 am, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> I know I can't be the only LC user that would renew the full suite if
> Android was included.  Especially for access to the Google api stuff.
> Sorry if I sound like a broken record.

Well if you can point me to a C or C++ sdk I’ll gladly do it and we can have 
Windows, Linux and server too. mergGoogle uses an objective-c sdk which is why 
it’s iOS & OS X only. Where I’ve been able to use cross platform libraries I’ve 
made the externals cross platform too (mergJSON, mergMarkdown). Now of course 
mergGoogle is just calling web api so it would be feasible to implement it in 
LiveCode. The cost of doing so is obviously a lot higher (both for initial 
implementation and ling term maintenance) than hooking up google’s official sdk 
which as I mentioned is not available as a cross platform library…

Cheers

Monte
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Re: [ANN] mergExt: BLE, Google spreadsheets, Map directions, iOS 9 & special price

[Roger Eller]

I know I can't be the only LC user that would renew the full suite if
Android was included.  Especially for access to the Google api stuff.
Sorry if I sound like a broken record.

~Roger



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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

>
> > On 13 Oct 2015, at 3:48 am, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
> >
> > What is mergGoogle, and of all things I would expect to work on Android,
> > based on the name, this would be one.  So, is this available for the
> > Android platform?  TIA
>
> We have discussed Android externals limitations every time I’ve released
> anything for the past few years so I imagine you can answer this question
> yourself and will understand the reasons why by now… I know it’s
> frustrating for you. It’s frustrating for me too but I’m not going to stop
> delivering stuff people want just because I can’t deliver it on Android at
> the moment…
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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