On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
And, yupp, iPads are the shiny new toys... that will suck budgetary funds out
of nurses and teacher's aids and lunches for nothing (remember when having
laptops in the classroom was the new shiny toy that accomplished what
exactly??? and
Hahahaha! Well, in my own defense, it WAS fake, therefore it can't be,
well, you know ;-)
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Scott Morrow wrote:
Judy,
Do you think it is alright to mention even fake cheese? : )
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Apple just seeded about $800,000 worth of iPads to my one state university
campus alone; most instructors privately concede that they just gave them
to their kids to play with.
The problem isn't with the hardware; it's usually the software and
curricular integration end (or largely lack
What do you think of Khan academy? My nephew is in the Glendale Unified
S.D. and they are making use of it.
Mike
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote:
Hahahaha! Well, in my own defense, it WAS fake, therefore it can't be,
well, you know ;-)
On Tue,
Hi all,
I have read the messages in this thread and please, correct me
if I understand wrong:
1) Too many students and teachers are too inexperienced (not dumb)
to use the available computer educational tools in their institution.
2) Most of the digital educational applications aim to teach
Hi Alejandro,
I've been in computer labs where computers wouldn't have an (accessible) CD-rom
drive or USB port. Computers in offices may not allow limited users to start an
exe that's not installed in the programmes folder on the network.
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DOD Launches Mobile App Development Challenge:
http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=15142
This is in line with recent discussions, because there is no money to encourage
development. Recognition is the only reward.
The focus is tools for STEM education in grades 9-12.
Hi Alejandro,
I think the discussion of whether education brings everyone down to the
lowest common denominator is a different topic!
I guess my original point, perhaps not well enough explained, was that,
according to the study in my local paper here in California, using iPads to
replace text
I have noticed in talking to people about funding education that there is an
almost irresistible tendency to presume that if you spend more money doing
something, the results are bound to improve, even if only a little bit. This is
of course, absurd. Some of the greatest minds we know in the
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Pete wrote:
I guess my original point, perhaps not well enough explained, was that,
according to the study in my local paper here in California, using iPads to
replace text books costs about 4 times more than using the hard copy text
books. Personally, I
Hi Mark,
Mark Schonewille-3 wrote
I've been in computer labs where computers wouldn't have an
(accessible) CD-rom drive or USB port. Computers in offices
may not allow limited users to start an exe that's not installed
in the programmes folder on the network.
Well, maybe (just maybe)
I work at the District level of a large K-12 county public school system
(Pasco, in Florida.) My job is to train/support all of the school level tech
specialists. I have a different perspective on this, I think.
It is pretty rare for one of our schools to buy software for the computer.
I sense the frustration Judy, but wonder if it was related somewhat to your
children's birthday ;-)
Having just had a granddaughter turn 11 and a grandson 9, I too wondered what
we had really achieved in online learning since I started with Plato (a DOS
system running on a custom Pee Cee)
I'm not a teacher, nor involved in education in any way so take what I have
to say with a pinch of salt.
A recent analysis over here in California found that it was around 4 times
as expensive for a classroom to use iPads and electronic versions of text
books as it was to continue using hard copy
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I'm not a teacher, nor involved in education in any way so take what I have
to say with a pinch
Certainly, it's easy enough to blame poor online learning experiences on
lazy or inept instructional designers who all too often are taught to use
truly crappy tools, but it doesn't excuse the crappy tools themselves.
And why do teachers and instructional designers use crappy tools?
Because
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I'm not a teacher, nor
On 03/27/2012 09:11 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
Certainly, it's easy enough to blame poor online learning experiences
on lazy or inept instructional designers who all too often are taught
to use truly crappy tools, but it doesn't excuse the crappy tools
themselves.
And why do teachers and
On Mar 27, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Judy Perry wrote:
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a cookie and a piece of fake cheese
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Judy,
Do you think it is alright to mention even fake cheese? : )
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Please
After giving this idea some further thought I wouldn't bet on it either. How
would something like import snapshot be exported to HTML5?
On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Ray Horsley wrote:
I like the idea of HTML5 export, too.
Me too, but although translating layout
Hi,
RealStudio did it. RunRev can do it too.
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Thanks Richard for these thoughts. I believe I fall into a variant of the
camp A which you've mentioned, working with organizations run by really dumb
and most of all lazy IT staff. Not all of our clients are like this, but
frequently we'll run into IT guys who are simply too lazy too
But I don't think RealStudio can build for mobile devices like iOS or
Android. The two companies seem to be betting on different futures.
I wasn't particularly interested in the mobile space myself, but
seeing the astronomical growth in that area, I have to think I am
wrong and RunRev were right.
Hi Bernard,
HTML5 isn't for mobile devices only. HTML5 export would allow you to use
LiveCode to create really cool websites that might even replace desktop apps in
some cases. HTML5 is also great for creating web apps for mobile devices.
Besides that, it is useful that we can use LiveCode to
OK. Thanks for that explanation. It sounds like tomorrow has arrived
(although the emphasis is on might replace desktop apps). From your
description both RealStudio and RunRev are facing in the wrong
direction. But there are many people who have pivoted their careers
about to learn Objective-C,
Hi Bernard,
Well, what makes it wrong? The IT world changed quickly. Today HTML5, tomorrow
ABCD6. That doesn't mean that everyone who chose HTML5 today is wrong tomorrow.
I'm not sure where I'm saying RealStudio made a bad choice? Nor am I saying
that RunRev is going the wrong path, but it has
On 23/03/2012 11:21, Bernard Devlin wrote:
OK. Thanks for that explanation. It sounds like tomorrow has arrived
(although the emphasis is on might replace desktop apps). From your
description both RealStudio and RunRev are facing in the wrong
direction. But there are many people who have
Hi Ken,
First of all, the definition of native isn't entirely clear to me. There are
over 500,000 apps in the iTunes store, no matter whether they are called native.
Second, a significant share of those 500,000 are HTML5 apps! It is difficult to
say how many, but since there are approximately
Le 23 mars 2012 à 11:57, Bernard Devlin a écrit :
I wasn't particularly interested in the mobile space myself, but
seeing the astronomical growth in that area, I have to think I am
wrong and RunRev were right.
RunRev was right and i went wrong ! ;-)
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Hi Mark, you might not have said that such decisions are wrong, but
with finite resources, decisions must be made. Some decisions will
turn out to be the wrong decisions. About 3 years ago RealBasic and
Livecode looked like they were going in the same direction; they've
now branched off in
Hi Bernard,
When two companies specialise in two different activities, it doesn't mean that
one of them must be wrong. Also, the world changes and so does the path we
follow. Perhaps Apple was right both times and I would be surprised if
RealStudio doesn't come up with a locally running
Ray Horsley wrote:
Thanks Richard for these thoughts. I believe I fall into a variant
of the camp A which you've mentioned, working with organizations
run by really dumb and most of all lazy IT staff. Not all of our
clients are like this, but frequently we'll run into IT guys who
are
Mark Schonewille wrote:
On 23 mrt 2012, at 11:29, Ray Horsley wrote:
After giving this idea some further thought I wouldn't bet on
it either. How would something like import snapshot be
exported to HTML5?
RealStudio did it. RunRev can do it too.
Did they?
I think it depends on what the
I am an IT guy, and for me the pendulum has swung the other way. The upper
management think they know best what to deploy and how to use it, but from
where I sit they are just about as dumb as a post, and no argument I can make
will move them. As an example, I pushed for years to get an
Hi Richard,
I believe RealStudio WE does everything we can reasonably expect from an HTML5
app. So, yes, I'd say they did it. It is funny that you consider HTML5
traditional already, but I do tend to agree.
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Mark Schonewille wrote:
I believe RealStudio WE does everything we can reasonably expect from
an HTML5 app.
Qualified with reasonably expect in terms of automated translation, I
would agree.
Here's a nifty HTML5 app that's the sort of thing one can also make in
RB for the desktop (and
Bob Sneidar wrote:
Maybe the trick is to find an IT guy who really knows his stuff, and then let
him rule his little bit of the roost?
Ideally that would be the CTO.
But I also recognize that not enough companies understand why they added
CTO to their org chart. :)
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I've always downloaded the plugin at:
http://revweb.runrev.com/
This gives me version (R9) which does not run standalones built for Web in
Livecode 5.5. Is there another site to get the LiveCode player which will run
standalones built in 5.5?
Thanks,
Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software
Ray, no.
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On 22 mrt 2012, at 17:18, Ray
Hi all,
did you read the copyright notice on the download page:
Copyright RunRev Ltd 2009 All rights reserved.
That's the year when the plug-in was updated the last time!
Well...
Am 22.03.2012 um 16:27 schrieb Mark Schonewille:
Ray, no.
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On 22 mrt 2012,
So building standalones for Web has been discontinued for quite some time now
in LiveCode?
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
Hi all,
did you read the copyright notice on the download page:
Copyright RunRev Ltd 2009 All rights reserved.
That's the year when the plug-in
Ray,
We know as much as you do.
Also, I would consider it a waste of money if RunRev were to invest in the
plugin again. I'd rather expect them to invest in HTML5 export.
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I like the idea of HTML5 export, too. But regarding building standalones for
Web, why do you think that option is still in the Standalone Application
Settings window?
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
Ray,
We know as much as you do.
Also, I would consider it a
Ray,
I think it is just in case someone wants to use that feature and is willing to
pay for it.
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There was some discussion about this in the past, and a lot of people seemed to
think that making people install a plugin to run a web app was very undesirable
these days. I think Runrev at that point put it on the back burner. I mean the
stove in the shed on the north 40.
Bob
On Mar 22,
I'm in the K-12 education field. Teachers are quickly moving away from
downloading anything and their IT guys are even worse, sometimes setting up
systems which disallow downloading a desktop app. I hadn't looked at building
for Web in a while but this is very discouraging to find it's gone.
Ray Horsley wrote:
I like the idea of HTML5 export, too.
Me too, but although translating layout isn't hard, given the vast
differences between LiveCode and its object model and JavaScript/DOM, I
wouldn't bet on it.
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Fourth World Systems
Software Design and Development
Ray Horsley wrote:
I'm in the K-12 education field. Teachers are quickly moving away
from downloading anything and their IT guys are even worse, sometimes
setting up systems which disallow downloading a desktop app. I
hadn't looked at building for Web in a while but this is very
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