Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Depends on what you mean. On my phone I can put someone on hold, then call 
someone else and have them join the conversation. Or I can call a telephone 
number at a scheduled time and so does everyone else in the call, and a server 
of sorts on the Interwebs connects us all together. My point is that it is not 
a server running on your home network that makes this possible. 

Bob S


> On Apr 9, 2018, at 07:59 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Teleconferencing is NOT a telephone function.
> 
> --
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Teleconferencing is NOT a telephone function.

--
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mixstream.org

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Teleconferencing is a phone function, not a web or file server. The
> agreement with the ISP is that you do not try to run a business grade
> server out of your home without paying for a business grade internet
> connection. I do not think they necessarily are monitoring your traffic to
> try to catch you in the act, although if you used an inordinate amount of
> bandwidth consistently each month, that might raise some red flags.
> Otherwise entities would put their file and mail servers in their
> bathrooms, and who is stupid enough to do that?? ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:11 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At
> what
> > point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to
> the
> > ISP?
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Teleconferencing is a phone function, not a web or file server. The agreement 
with the ISP is that you do not try to run a business grade server out of your 
home without paying for a business grade internet connection. I do not think 
they necessarily are monitoring your traffic to try to catch you in the act, 
although if you used an inordinate amount of bandwidth consistently each month, 
that might raise some red flags. Otherwise entities would put their file and 
mail servers in their bathrooms, and who is stupid enough to do that?? ;-)

Bob S


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:11 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At what
> point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to the
> ISP?
> 
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

Yes, my slow download was via the auto updater.
.Jerry

> On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:15 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the update Ron. I confirm the auto updater is slower compared to
> a direct download from the downloads page. I'll file a bug so as we
> investigate further.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I'm sorry, I missed the point about using LiveCode's built-in upgrade 
download capacity when

I reported that it took me about 3 minutes to download LC 9.0.

The reason I missed the point was that I have used the in-built upgrade 
system exactly once (on a Mac)
and the whole thing was such a negative experience (slow and giving me a 
slight feeling I wasn't in control)
that I have always downloaded versions via the download page through 
Firefox.


The time I used the in-built upgrade system was a few years ago: and 
coupled with the odd situation
that versions such as the 9.0 DP series offered me the opportunity to 
"update" to some of the 8.1 series,
the result was that the in-built upgrade system has not been in the 
"forefront of my consciousness"

for a considerable time.

Richmond.

On 7/4/2018 6:12 am, Ron Metzker via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Panos,

I updated my two Macs today with LiveCode 9.0.0. Unfortunately I also had a 
very slow download on both. I have a very fast internet connection. I dowloaded 
them from within LiveCode by doing an update.

After I had downloaded them, I tried to see what the problem was. I did a test 
on my internet. It was at the correct speed in the test. So I went to the 
LiveCode download page and downloaded both the Indy and the Business dmg from 
the site at the same time. It took only a couple of minutes. So the slowness of 
the download appears to caused by using the LiveCode download stack. It was 
probably 20 to 30 times slower than using the download page.

Best Regards,
Ron


On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:51 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
 wrote:

@Peter
One more thing to try before filing a bug report:

1. Clear Prefs again
2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make this
association?")
3. Choose "Yes"

Does the splash screen close after that?

BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:

- type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
- place the cursor on the splash stack
- press enter

I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is never
reached.

@Richard
Thanks for the update, I'll pass it to the team. I know we had at least
another 3 users in your area that suffered from very slow download speeds.
Network issues are hard to diagnose :)

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


@Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:

Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.

Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.


@Panos:

Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem
yesterday from my home internet connection

Thanks for asking. Yes, and it's been the darndest thing.  Not even my ISP
could explain it.  It's been this way for more than a week, and persists
this morning, even across multiple computers.

I was able to find a workaround that demonstrates that it's not the
livecode.com server per se:  I shelled into one of my VPSes in New Jersey
and used wget to download the builds I needed - each took less than a
minute there.  Then I copied them to my web folder, and on my local machine
downloaded from that VPS - at normal speed.

So to summarize what I've learned thus far:

- It's not my computer: all computers here show this slow download

- It's not your server: I can download from it to another computer
  in a different geographic region with no delay.

- It's not my local network setup: Peter has the same issue, and
  downloading from my VPS is speedy.

Given all this, my wild guess would be that this is something related to
the CDN you're using (Cloudflare?), affecting only southern California, or
maybe even more limited than that since Peter and I are less than about 20
miles from one another.

While Cloudflare's status page shows the Los Angeles area to be
"Operational", a quick search at Google turned up a few discussions about
issues in my area, the most recent I stumbled across being just 22 hours
ago.

The bigger mystery is that this has persisted as long as it has.  Most
CDNs are super on top of things, and a multi-day issue is rare.

At least I have a workaround for now, and if I learn anything more I'll
pass it along.  In the meantime, if you hear of anything with your CDN it
may be helpful to share.

--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems
Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Thanks for the update Ron. I confirm the auto updater is slower compared to
a direct download from the downloads page. I'll file a bug so as we
investigate further.

Best,
Panos

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 04:12 Ron Metzker  wrote:

> Hi Panos,
>
> I updated my two Macs today with LiveCode 9.0.0. Unfortunately I also had
> a very slow download on both. I have a very fast internet connection. I
> dowloaded them from within LiveCode by doing an update.
>
> After I had downloaded them, I tried to see what the problem was. I did a
> test on my internet. It was at the correct speed in the test. So I went to
> the LiveCode download page and downloaded both the Indy and the Business
> dmg from the site at the same time. It took only a couple of minutes. So
> the slowness of the download appears to caused by using the LiveCode
> download stack. It was probably 20 to 30 times slower than using the
> download page.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ron
>
> > On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:51 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > @Peter
> > One more thing to try before filing a bug report:
> >
> > 1. Clear Prefs again
> > 2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
> > are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make
> this
> > association?")
> > 3. Choose "Yes"
> >
> > Does the splash screen close after that?
> >
> > BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:
> >
> > - type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
> > - place the cursor on the splash stack
> > - press enter
> >
> > I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
> > the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is
> never
> > reached.
> >
> > @Richard
> > Thanks for the update, I'll pass it to the team. I know we had at least
> > another 3 users in your area that suffered from very slow download
> speeds.
> > Network issues are hard to diagnose :)
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> @Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:
> >>> Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.
> >>
> >> Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> @Panos:
> >>> Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem
> >>> yesterday from my home internet connection
> >>
> >> Thanks for asking. Yes, and it's been the darndest thing.  Not even my
> ISP
> >> could explain it.  It's been this way for more than a week, and persists
> >> this morning, even across multiple computers.
> >>
> >> I was able to find a workaround that demonstrates that it's not the
> >> livecode.com server per se:  I shelled into one of my VPSes in New
> Jersey
> >> and used wget to download the builds I needed - each took less than a
> >> minute there.  Then I copied them to my web folder, and on my local
> machine
> >> downloaded from that VPS - at normal speed.
> >>
> >> So to summarize what I've learned thus far:
> >>
> >> - It's not my computer: all computers here show this slow download
> >>
> >> - It's not your server: I can download from it to another computer
> >>  in a different geographic region with no delay.
> >>
> >> - It's not my local network setup: Peter has the same issue, and
> >>  downloading from my VPS is speedy.
> >>
> >> Given all this, my wild guess would be that this is something related to
> >> the CDN you're using (Cloudflare?), affecting only southern California,
> or
> >> maybe even more limited than that since Peter and I are less than about
> 20
> >> miles from one another.
> >>
> >> While Cloudflare's status page shows the Los Angeles area to be
> >> "Operational", a quick search at Google turned up a few discussions
> about
> >> issues in my area, the most recent I stumbled across being just 22 hours
> >> ago.
> >>
> >> The bigger mystery is that this has persisted as long as it has.  Most
> >> CDNs are super on top of things, and a multi-day issue is rare.
> >>
> >> At least I have a workaround for now, and if I learn anything more I'll
> >> pass it along.  In the meantime, if you hear of anything with your CDN
> it
> >> may be helpful to share.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Gaskin
> >> Fourth World Systems
> >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> >> 
> >> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
> >>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Ron Metzker via use-livecode]

Hi Panos,

I updated my two Macs today with LiveCode 9.0.0. Unfortunately I also had a 
very slow download on both. I have a very fast internet connection. I dowloaded 
them from within LiveCode by doing an update. 

After I had downloaded them, I tried to see what the problem was. I did a test 
on my internet. It was at the correct speed in the test. So I went to the 
LiveCode download page and downloaded both the Indy and the Business dmg from 
the site at the same time. It took only a couple of minutes. So the slowness of 
the download appears to caused by using the LiveCode download stack. It was 
probably 20 to 30 times slower than using the download page.

Best Regards,
Ron

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:51 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Peter
> One more thing to try before filing a bug report:
> 
> 1. Clear Prefs again
> 2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
> are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make this
> association?")
> 3. Choose "Yes"
> 
> Does the splash screen close after that?
> 
> BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:
> 
> - type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
> - place the cursor on the splash stack
> - press enter
> 
> I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
> the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is never
> reached.
> 
> @Richard
> Thanks for the update, I'll pass it to the team. I know we had at least
> another 3 users in your area that suffered from very slow download speeds.
> Network issues are hard to diagnose :)
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> @Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:
>>> Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.
>> 
>> Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> @Panos:
>>> Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem
>>> yesterday from my home internet connection
>> 
>> Thanks for asking. Yes, and it's been the darndest thing.  Not even my ISP
>> could explain it.  It's been this way for more than a week, and persists
>> this morning, even across multiple computers.
>> 
>> I was able to find a workaround that demonstrates that it's not the
>> livecode.com server per se:  I shelled into one of my VPSes in New Jersey
>> and used wget to download the builds I needed - each took less than a
>> minute there.  Then I copied them to my web folder, and on my local machine
>> downloaded from that VPS - at normal speed.
>> 
>> So to summarize what I've learned thus far:
>> 
>> - It's not my computer: all computers here show this slow download
>> 
>> - It's not your server: I can download from it to another computer
>>  in a different geographic region with no delay.
>> 
>> - It's not my local network setup: Peter has the same issue, and
>>  downloading from my VPS is speedy.
>> 
>> Given all this, my wild guess would be that this is something related to
>> the CDN you're using (Cloudflare?), affecting only southern California, or
>> maybe even more limited than that since Peter and I are less than about 20
>> miles from one another.
>> 
>> While Cloudflare's status page shows the Los Angeles area to be
>> "Operational", a quick search at Google turned up a few discussions about
>> issues in my area, the most recent I stumbled across being just 22 hours
>> ago.
>> 
>> The bigger mystery is that this has persisted as long as it has.  Most
>> CDNs are super on top of things, and a multi-day issue is rare.
>> 
>> At least I have a workaround for now, and if I learn anything more I'll
>> pass it along.  In the meantime, if you hear of anything with your CDN it
>> may be helpful to share.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
>> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At what
point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to the
ISP?

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It means that you probably have a 10/10 (up down) internet connection. You
> are getting the bandwidth reported, which is theoretically what is
> currently left after everything else currently sending and receiving on
> that link. If you don't have anything being served up, I'd be concerned
> about your up speed.
>
> Most residential internet services have in the contract that you will not
> use the connection for business purposes (at least in the US). That is why
> most residential services are asynchronous (not the same up speed as down
> speed). If you are not serving anything up to the internet, you don't need
> very much up bandwidth, and if you are not running a business, you
> shouldn't really be services anything up.
>
> HTH
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:49 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet
> package available
> > I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that
> was absolutely fine.
> >
> > Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is
> 6.28 Mbps,
> > which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.
> >
> > Richmond.
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It means that you probably have a 10/10 (up down) internet connection. You are 
getting the bandwidth reported, which is theoretically what is currently left 
after everything else currently sending and receiving on that link. If you 
don't have anything being served up, I'd be concerned about your up speed. 

Most residential internet services have in the contract that you will not use 
the connection for business purposes (at least in the US). That is why most 
residential services are asynchronous (not the same up speed as down speed). If 
you are not serving anything up to the internet, you don't need very much up 
bandwidth, and if you are not running a business, you shouldn't really be 
services anything up. 

HTH
Bob S


> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:49 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet package 
> available
> I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that was 
> absolutely fine.
> 
> Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is 6.28 
> Mbps,
> which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.
> 
> Richmond.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet 
package available
I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that 
was absolutely fine.


Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is 
6.28 Mbps,

which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.

Richmond.

On 5/4/2018 7:09 pm, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:

It is true that you paid for a 190Mbit connection. Not all servers will be able 
to saturate that size of a pipe. The amount a service can pump out will be 
based on many factors like level of network activity at that moment, health of 
the hops between you and the server, general network traffic load at the time, 
….

Most ISPs sell faster connections so that more people can consume more at the 
same time on your end of the network. Thus, you could have probably downloaded 
3 LiveCode installers at the same time with 40Mbit speeds.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io 
nursenotes.net 
canelasoftware.com 



On Apr 5, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi

I downloaded it in about 2 minutes - at 40MBits/s download .

Which prompted me to check the speed. When I upgraded and paid extra it
was  190MBits/s,  so they are cheating me - need to find time to phone the
~@"£$  up and listen to some Chamber Musaq

Lagi

On 3 April 2018 at 14:01, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Dear list members,

LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:

https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9
a&id=c574bcb9b3

Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

An internet speed test is the only reliable way to determine your actual ISP 
bandwidth at any given moment, and that only after making sure your local area 
network is not actively downloading or uploading anything, or at least anything 
significant. Throughput from a source can only tell you how fast you can get 
data from that particular site at that particular time, which you aready know. 

Bob S


> On Apr 5, 2018, at 09:21 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I didn't think I was going to get it coming down in 20 seconds - only that
> what I have paid for and was getting for at least 3 months has gone down by
> from 190 to 40 MBits.
> 
> It does mean though I can download from multiple sites at the same time
> without slowing down at the higher speed - and dropbox will work faster on
> big files.
> 
> Regards lagi


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

I didn't think I was going to get it coming down in 20 seconds - only that
what I have paid for and was getting for at least 3 months has gone down by
from 190 to 40 MBits.

It does mean though I can download from multiple sites at the same time
without slowing down at the higher speed - and dropbox will work faster on
big files.

Regards lagi

On 5 April 2018 at 17:09, Mark Talluto via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It is true that you paid for a 190Mbit connection. Not all servers will be
> able to saturate that size of a pipe. The amount a service can pump out
> will be based on many factors like level of network activity at that
> moment, health of the hops between you and the server, general network
> traffic load at the time, ….
>
> Most ISPs sell faster connections so that more people can consume more at
> the same time on your end of the network. Thus, you could have probably
> downloaded 3 LiveCode installers at the same time with 40Mbit speeds.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Talluto
> livecloud.io 
> nursenotes.net 
> canelasoftware.com 
>
>
> > On Apr 5, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I downloaded it in about 2 minutes - at 40MBits/s download .
> >
> > Which prompted me to check the speed. When I upgraded and paid extra it
> > was  190MBits/s,  so they are cheating me - need to find time to phone
> the
> > ~@"£$  up and listen to some Chamber Musaq
> >
> > Lagi
> >
> > On 3 April 2018 at 14:01, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:
> >>
> >> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9
> >> a&id=c574bcb9b3
> >>
> >> Have fun!
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

It is true that you paid for a 190Mbit connection. Not all servers will be able 
to saturate that size of a pipe. The amount a service can pump out will be 
based on many factors like level of network activity at that moment, health of 
the hops between you and the server, general network traffic load at the time, 
….

Most ISPs sell faster connections so that more people can consume more at the 
same time on your end of the network. Thus, you could have probably downloaded 
3 LiveCode installers at the same time with 40Mbit speeds.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io 
nursenotes.net 
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> On Apr 5, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I downloaded it in about 2 minutes - at 40MBits/s download .
> 
> Which prompted me to check the speed. When I upgraded and paid extra it
> was  190MBits/s,  so they are cheating me - need to find time to phone the
> ~@"£$  up and listen to some Chamber Musaq
> 
> Lagi
> 
> On 3 April 2018 at 14:01, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:
>> 
>> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9
>> a&id=c574bcb9b3
>> 
>> Have fun!
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi

I downloaded it in about 2 minutes - at 40MBits/s download .

Which prompted me to check the speed. When I upgraded and paid extra it
was  190MBits/s,  so they are cheating me - need to find time to phone the
~@"£$  up and listen to some Chamber Musaq

Lagi

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> Dear list members,
>
> LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:
>
> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9
> a&id=c574bcb9b3
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

Okay, it has been so long since i used the backdrop, I forgot where to
turn it off!

Backdrop all okay now.

And, it is still the case that if I associate LC files to another
version (like 6.7.11 or 8.1.9) and then launch LC9 the Splash stays on
if I say no to the association request.

Thank you for you help.


On 4/4/2018 4:09 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> @Paul
>
> ok this might be useful (the fact that clicking "yes" in the associations
> dialog causes the splash to hide as expected in subsequent launches)
>
> You are getting the gray backdrop as this is the default after clearing the
> Prefs. You can change that by unchecking "View"-> "Backdrop" in the LC
> menubar
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/4/2018 1:51 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>>> @Peter
>>> One more thing to try before filing a bug report:
>>>
>>> 1. Clear Prefs again
>>> 2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
>>> are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make
>> this
>>> association?")
>>> 3. Choose "Yes"
>>>
>>> Does the splash screen close after that?
>>>
>>> BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:
>>>
>>> - type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
>>> - place the cursor on the splash stack
>>> - press enter
>>>
>>> I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
>>> the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is
>> never
>>> reached.
>>>
>> I cleared the livecode7.rev prefs file (the only one I now have),
>> restated Windows 8.1 (64bit). Launched LC9.0.0 and responded "Yes" to
>> the revFileAssociation (which I had not previously been doing as I have
>> been working in 8.1.9 recently). No luck. The Spash remains and I have
>> the grey backdrop on. When I open Options in LC9 and click Reset to
>> Default, the backdrop clears, but the splash remains. I have to close it
>> by the message box trick. If I then quit LC9 and launch it again, the
>> slash goes away appropriately, but despite having reset the Options to
>> Default, the gray backdrop appears every time I launch LC9.
>>
>> If I launch another version of LC (say version 6.7.11) and click Yes to
>> the file associate and then quit LC 6.7.11 and then launch LC9 and do
>> not say Yes to the file association, then the splash and grey backdrop
>> remain.
>>
>> If I launch LC9 and say Yes to the file associate and then close the
>> splash manually and quit and launch again, the splash closes as it
>> should. However, if I change the file associate I am back to a always on
>> splash window in LC9.
>>
>> So, summary:
>> Launching LC9 and answering No to the file associate leaves the splash
>> screen visible even when exiting and restarting LC9 multiple time as
>> long as you answer No to the file association.
>> Launching LC9 and answering Yes to the file associate leaves the splash
>> screen visible, but exiting and restarting LC9 resulting in the splash
>> going away normally after LC9 is up and running.
>> Again all under Windows 8.1 (64)
>> I have no idea why I am now getting the grey backdrop.
>>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Paul

ok this might be useful (the fact that clicking "yes" in the associations
dialog causes the splash to hide as expected in subsequent launches)

You are getting the gray backdrop as this is the default after clearing the
Prefs. You can change that by unchecking "View"-> "Backdrop" in the LC
menubar

Best,
Panos
--



On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 4/4/2018 1:51 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> > @Peter
> > One more thing to try before filing a bug report:
> >
> > 1. Clear Prefs again
> > 2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
> > are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make
> this
> > association?")
> > 3. Choose "Yes"
> >
> > Does the splash screen close after that?
> >
> > BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:
> >
> > - type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
> > - place the cursor on the splash stack
> > - press enter
> >
> > I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
> > the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is
> never
> > reached.
> >
>
> I cleared the livecode7.rev prefs file (the only one I now have),
> restated Windows 8.1 (64bit). Launched LC9.0.0 and responded "Yes" to
> the revFileAssociation (which I had not previously been doing as I have
> been working in 8.1.9 recently). No luck. The Spash remains and I have
> the grey backdrop on. When I open Options in LC9 and click Reset to
> Default, the backdrop clears, but the splash remains. I have to close it
> by the message box trick. If I then quit LC9 and launch it again, the
> slash goes away appropriately, but despite having reset the Options to
> Default, the gray backdrop appears every time I launch LC9.
>
> If I launch another version of LC (say version 6.7.11) and click Yes to
> the file associate and then quit LC 6.7.11 and then launch LC9 and do
> not say Yes to the file association, then the splash and grey backdrop
> remain.
>
> If I launch LC9 and say Yes to the file associate and then close the
> splash manually and quit and launch again, the splash closes as it
> should. However, if I change the file associate I am back to a always on
> splash window in LC9.
>
> So, summary:
> Launching LC9 and answering No to the file associate leaves the splash
> screen visible even when exiting and restarting LC9 multiple time as
> long as you answer No to the file association.
> Launching LC9 and answering Yes to the file associate leaves the splash
> screen visible, but exiting and restarting LC9 resulting in the splash
> going away normally after LC9 is up and running.
> Again all under Windows 8.1 (64)
> I have no idea why I am now getting the grey backdrop.
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

On 4/4/2018 1:51 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> @Peter
> One more thing to try before filing a bug report:
>
> 1. Clear Prefs again
> 2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
> are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make this
> association?")
> 3. Choose "Yes"
>
> Does the splash screen close after that?
>
> BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:
>
> - type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
> - place the cursor on the splash stack
> - press enter
>
> I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
> the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is never
> reached.
>

I cleared the livecode7.rev prefs file (the only one I now have),
restated Windows 8.1 (64bit). Launched LC9.0.0 and responded "Yes" to
the revFileAssociation (which I had not previously been doing as I have
been working in 8.1.9 recently). No luck. The Spash remains and I have
the grey backdrop on. When I open Options in LC9 and click Reset to
Default, the backdrop clears, but the splash remains. I have to close it
by the message box trick. If I then quit LC9 and launch it again, the
slash goes away appropriately, but despite having reset the Options to
Default, the gray backdrop appears every time I launch LC9.

If I launch another version of LC (say version 6.7.11) and click Yes to
the file associate and then quit LC 6.7.11 and then launch LC9 and do
not say Yes to the file association, then the splash and grey backdrop
remain.

If I launch LC9 and say Yes to the file associate and then close the
splash manually and quit and launch again, the splash closes as it
should. However, if I change the file associate I am back to a always on
splash window in LC9.

So, summary:
Launching LC9 and answering No to the file associate leaves the splash
screen visible even when exiting and restarting LC9 multiple time as
long as you answer No to the file association.
Launching LC9 and answering Yes to the file associate leaves the splash
screen visible, but exiting and restarting LC9 resulting in the splash
going away normally after LC9 is up and running.
Again all under Windows 8.1 (64)
I have no idea why I am now getting the grey backdrop.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 04/04/2018 11:32 AM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode wrote:



On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:

@Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:

Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.


Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.


Me too in California. I don’t know how long it took, I went away and let it run 
after about 1/2 hour.


Here in California it "only" took 20 minutes. But that's still way too 
long for the installer. There's no indication on the download site as to 
how big the file is, so there's no expectation before clicking on how 
long it might take to download.


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RE: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I download all 3 platforms and release notes at the same time today and it took 
about 10 minutes on a 15x2 internet service.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode
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Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.

Peter Bogdanoff


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:
> > Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.
> 
> Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.
> 
Me too in California. I don’t know how long it took, I went away and let it run 
after about 1/2 hour.
.Jerry


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Peter
One more thing to try before filing a bug report:

1. Clear Prefs again
2. Open LC, you should see the revFileAssociation dialog ("LiveCode files
are not currently associated with this version. Would you like to make this
association?")
3. Choose "Yes"

Does the splash screen close after that?

BTW if you want to close this stack manually, you can try that:

- type in the msg box "close the mousestack" but do NOT press Enter
- place the cursor on the splash stack
- press enter

I am wondering if an error occurs on startup, so LC stops execution, and
the line of code in the IDE startup scripts that closes this stack is never
reached.

@Richard
Thanks for the update, I'll pass it to the team. I know we had at least
another 3 users in your area that suffered from very slow download speeds.
Network issues are hard to diagnose :)

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:
> > Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.
>
> Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.
>
>
> @Panos:
> > Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem
> > yesterday from my home internet connection
>
> Thanks for asking. Yes, and it's been the darndest thing.  Not even my ISP
> could explain it.  It's been this way for more than a week, and persists
> this morning, even across multiple computers.
>
> I was able to find a workaround that demonstrates that it's not the
> livecode.com server per se:  I shelled into one of my VPSes in New Jersey
> and used wget to download the builds I needed - each took less than a
> minute there.  Then I copied them to my web folder, and on my local machine
> downloaded from that VPS - at normal speed.
>
> So to summarize what I've learned thus far:
>
> - It's not my computer: all computers here show this slow download
>
> - It's not your server: I can download from it to another computer
>   in a different geographic region with no delay.
>
> - It's not my local network setup: Peter has the same issue, and
>   downloading from my VPS is speedy.
>
> Given all this, my wild guess would be that this is something related to
> the CDN you're using (Cloudflare?), affecting only southern California, or
> maybe even more limited than that since Peter and I are less than about 20
> miles from one another.
>
> While Cloudflare's status page shows the Los Angeles area to be
> "Operational", a quick search at Google turned up a few discussions about
> issues in my area, the most recent I stumbled across being just 22 hours
> ago.
>
> The bigger mystery is that this has persisted as long as it has.  Most
> CDNs are super on top of things, and a multi-day issue is rare.
>
> At least I have a workaround for now, and if I learn anything more I'll
> pass it along.  In the meantime, if you hear of anything with your CDN it
> may be helpful to share.
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

@Peter Bogdanoff bogdanoff:
> Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.

Good to know I'm not the only one.  Thanks.


@Panos:
> Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem
> yesterday from my home internet connection

Thanks for asking. Yes, and it's been the darndest thing.  Not even my 
ISP could explain it.  It's been this way for more than a week, and 
persists this morning, even across multiple computers.


I was able to find a workaround that demonstrates that it's not the 
livecode.com server per se:  I shelled into one of my VPSes in New 
Jersey and used wget to download the builds I needed - each took less 
than a minute there.  Then I copied them to my web folder, and on my 
local machine downloaded from that VPS - at normal speed.


So to summarize what I've learned thus far:

- It's not my computer: all computers here show this slow download

- It's not your server: I can download from it to another computer
  in a different geographic region with no delay.

- It's not my local network setup: Peter has the same issue, and
  downloading from my VPS is speedy.

Given all this, my wild guess would be that this is something related to 
the CDN you're using (Cloudflare?), affecting only southern California, 
or maybe even more limited than that since Peter and I are less than 
about 20 miles from one another.


While Cloudflare's status page shows the Los Angeles area to be 
"Operational", a quick search at Google turned up a few discussions 
about issues in my area, the most recent I stumbled across being just 22 
hours ago.


The bigger mystery is that this has persisted as long as it has.  Most 
CDNs are super on top of things, and a multi-day issue is rare.


At least I have a workaround for now, and if I learn anything more I'll 
pass it along.  In the meantime, if you hear of anything with your CDN 
it may be helpful to share.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

So I removed all LC preferences files which included:

livecode.rev
livecode7.rev
revPreferences.rev

that were in the
C:/Users/your_user_name/AppData/Roaming/RunRev/Preferences/ folder and
started LC9 and the splash screen with the LC9 logo still is stuck
visible and will not go away until I show LC UI elements  and find it in
the Project Browser and explicitly close it.

This seems to be a bug to me. This occurs under Windows 8.1 64 bit.
Should I file a bug report?

On 4/4/2018 9:20 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> @Paul
>
> The Prefs are in:
>
> C:/Users/your_user_name/AppData/Roaming/RunRev/Preferences/ folder
>
> You should see one or two files there:
>
> livecode.rev --> Prefs for LiveCode versions < 7
> livecode7.rev --> Prefs for LiveCode 7, 8 and 9
>
> Delete *both* of these files.
>
> and make sure you first quit LC, then delete the Prefs, then restart LC.
>
>
> @Richmond
>
> All the fixes of 8.1.10 RC1 have already been included to 9.0.0
>
> @Richard
>
> Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem yesterday
> from my home internet connection
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/3/2018 11:35 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>>> @Paul
>>>
>>> RE the splash screen not going away, I have occasionally seen it in other
>>> LC versions on Windows only in the past. If I remember correctly, it was
>>> fixed once I deleted the LC Prefs.
>>>
>> Okay, here is a very newbie question: Where under Windows does LC store
>> its preferences? I don't even know what the file is called.
>>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode]

Yesterday it took me 3-4 hours to download LC 9. I’m in California.

Peter Bogdanoff

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 6:20 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Paul
> 
> The Prefs are in:
> 
> C:/Users/your_user_name/AppData/Roaming/RunRev/Preferences/ folder
> 
> You should see one or two files there:
> 
> livecode.rev --> Prefs for LiveCode versions < 7
> livecode7.rev --> Prefs for LiveCode 7, 8 and 9
> 
> Delete *both* of these files.
> 
> and make sure you first quit LC, then delete the Prefs, then restart LC.
> 
> 
> @Richmond
> 
> All the fixes of 8.1.10 RC1 have already been included to 9.0.0
> 
> @Richard
> 
> Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem yesterday
> from my home internet connection
> 
> Best,
> Panos
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> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/3/2018 11:35 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>>> @Paul
>>> 
>>> RE the splash screen not going away, I have occasionally seen it in other
>>> LC versions on Windows only in the past. If I remember correctly, it was
>>> fixed once I deleted the LC Prefs.
>>> 
>> 
>> Okay, here is a very newbie question: Where under Windows does LC store
>> its preferences? I don't even know what the file is called.
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Paul

The Prefs are in:

C:/Users/your_user_name/AppData/Roaming/RunRev/Preferences/ folder

You should see one or two files there:

livecode.rev --> Prefs for LiveCode versions < 7
livecode7.rev --> Prefs for LiveCode 7, 8 and 9

Delete *both* of these files.

and make sure you first quit LC, then delete the Prefs, then restart LC.


@Richmond

All the fixes of 8.1.10 RC1 have already been included to 9.0.0

@Richard

Do you still experience slow download speed? I had no problem yesterday
from my home internet connection

Best,
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> On 4/3/2018 11:35 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> > @Paul
> >
> > RE the splash screen not going away, I have occasionally seen it in other
> > LC versions on Windows only in the past. If I remember correctly, it was
> > fixed once I deleted the LC Prefs.
> >
>
> Okay, here is a very newbie question: Where under Windows does LC store
> its preferences? I don't even know what the file is called.
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

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On 4/3/2018 11:35 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> @Paul
>
> RE the splash screen not going away, I have occasionally seen it in other
> LC versions on Windows only in the past. If I remember correctly, it was
> fixed once I deleted the LC Prefs.
>

Okay, here is a very newbie question: Where under Windows does LC store
its preferences? I don't even know what the file is called.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Lovely!

Richmond.

On 3/4/2018 11:17 pm, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:

Besides having most people busy on getting 9.0 out, it made sense to delay
8.1.10 a little more so we could get the Xcode/iOS update in there. It's
next on the agenda!

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:38 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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And, what about the much vaunted 8.1.10
which is supposed to have several bug-fixes that I am hanging around for?

Richmond.

On 3/4/2018 6:20 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

I assume with the release of LC 9.0.0 that there will not be a release
version of LC 8.2.0?

Is this the case? It makes sense, but I am just looking to confirm
whether this has been confirmed by the Mothership.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Besides having most people busy on getting 9.0 out, it made sense to delay
8.1.10 a little more so we could get the Xcode/iOS update in there. It's
next on the agenda!

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> And, what about the much vaunted 8.1.10
> which is supposed to have several bug-fixes that I am hanging around for?
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 3/4/2018 6:20 pm, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> > I assume with the release of LC 9.0.0 that there will not be a release
> > version of LC 8.2.0?
> >
> > Is this the case? It makes sense, but I am just looking to confirm
> > whether this has been confirmed by the Mothership.
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Thanks, Panos.  Very exciting news.

I've noticed in recent weeks that download speeds from 
downloads.livecode.com have become very slow.  Builds that used to take 
just a couple minutes now take hours.


My ISP isn't the best, but I haven't seen slow downloads like that 
anywhere else.


Is this a known issue with that server?  Could there be something 
specific to my ISP causing this delay with that subdomain but no others?


And a question about the future: now that v9 is out, is there anything 
you can tell us about v10?


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

And, what about the much vaunted 8.1.10
which is supposed to have several bug-fixes that I am hanging around for?

Richmond.

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I assume with the release of LC 9.0.0 that there will not be a release
version of LC 8.2.0?

Is this the case? It makes sense, but I am just looking to confirm
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Congratulations!

Now let's "Heigh-Ho" over to my Linux box and see if we can . . .

Love, Richmond.

On 3/4/2018 4:01 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:

https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a&id=c574bcb9b3

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I had this problem with RC1.  I had to delete my lc prefs file.

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> Also, the LC9 splash dialog/pane/whatever does not go away either by
> clicking on it or after the menu and tool palette appears. Anyone else
> seeing this?
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Paul

RE the splash screen not going away, I have occasionally seen it in other
LC versions on Windows only in the past. If I remember correctly, it was
fixed once I deleted the LC Prefs.

RE 8.2.0, there will be no other LC 8.2 releases,  since all the features
and bug fixes of LC 8.2.x are now merged into LC 9.0.

Best,
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> Also, the LC9 splash dialog/pane/whatever does not go away either by
> clicking on it or after the menu and tool palette appears. Anyone else
> seeing this?
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

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Also, the LC9 splash dialog/pane/whatever does not go away either by
clicking on it or after the menu and tool palette appears. Anyone else
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

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I assume with the release of LC 9.0.0 that there will not be a release
version of LC 8.2.0?

Is this the case? It makes sense, but I am just looking to confirm
whether this has been confirmed by the Mothership.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Ah sorry about that! I'll file a bug report so as to make sure this is
resolved in the next release :)

For reference, this is what it is supposed to say:

-
# Additional forms of create command

Create  in  now works correctly
You can now create  in  as well as in 
-

Best,
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> Hi Panos,
>
> > Am 03.04.2018 um 15:01 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:
> > https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a&id=
> c574bcb9b3
>
> cool, thanks!
>
> But the "Release Notes" still contain the famous and popular "Guessing
> game" on page 16,
> mentioned here several time before. :-D
> --
> Additional forms of create command
>
> Create in now works correctly
> You can now create in as well as in
>
> --
>
> > Have fun!
> > The LiveCode Team
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>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

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Hi Panos,

> Am 03.04.2018 um 15:01 schrieb panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> LiveCode 9.0.0 is out, read all about it here:
> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a&id=c574bcb9b3

cool, thanks!

But the "Release Notes" still contain the famous and popular "Guessing game" on 
page 16, 
mentioned here several time before. :-D
--
Additional forms of create command

Create in now works correctly
You can now create in as well as in

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Um: thanks for the "recipe" for running 9.0.0 dp 11, although I do
hope that that will be sorted out before the stable release.

Richmond.

On 26/12/17 10:58 pm, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond,

What you see is a duplicate of bug 16848 (
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16848), which is not supposed
to be fixed in 9.0 DP-11. It affects Linux installations with specific
locale settings, and it should be fixed if you applied the workaround
described in comment 81 of this report, i.e. to run LC from command line
using this command:

LC_ALL= LC_NUMERIC=C
""

Hope this helps,

Panos
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Wonkiness on Linux, I'm afraid.

Bug 20805

Perhaps it would be a good idea if other Linux users had a look at this as
well.

My rmain Linux rig: Xubuntu 17.10 64-bit.

If I find the time I'll "have a go" on a 32-bit machine I've got running
MX Linux tomorrow.

Richmond.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

What you see is a duplicate of bug 16848 (
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16848), which is not supposed
to be fixed in 9.0 DP-11. It affects Linux installations with specific
locale settings, and it should be fixed if you applied the workaround
described in comment 81 of this report, i.e. to run LC from command line
using this command:

LC_ALL= LC_NUMERIC=C
""

Hope this helps,

Panos
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> Wonkiness on Linux, I'm afraid.
>
> Bug 20805
>
> Perhaps it would be a good idea if other Linux users had a look at this as
> well.
>
> My rmain Linux rig: Xubuntu 17.10 64-bit.
>
> If I find the time I'll "have a go" on a 32-bit machine I've got running
> MX Linux tomorrow.
>
> Richmond.
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Wonkiness on Linux, I'm afraid.

Bug 20805

Perhaps it would be a good idea if other Linux users had a look at this 
as well.


My rmain Linux rig: Xubuntu 17.10 64-bit.

If I find the time I'll "have a go" on a 32-bit machine I've got running 
MX Linux tomorrow.


Richmond.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

The new beta will optionally use berrilium spheres. 

Bob S



> On Dec 22, 2017, at 17:22 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 12/22/2017 04:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> !!!
>> I dunno about the rest of you, but *I* am not going near any teleport
>> that isn't even beta yet!
>> If I need to be in another region, I'll  go the old fashioned way, not
>> jut try to set my properties . . ..
> 
> ...all right, but you'll change your mind when the dilithium runs low...
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/22/2017 04:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:


!!!

I dunno about the rest of you, but *I* am not going near any teleport
that isn't even beta yet!

If I need to be in another region, I'll  go the old fashioned way, not
jut try to set my properties . . ..


...all right, but you'll change your mind when the dilithium runs low...

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode
 wrote:

> For anyone playing with the new MAP widget, the dictionary entry for 
> regionChanged states:

!!!

I dunno about the rest of you, but *I* am not going near any teleport
that isn't even beta yet!

If I need to be in another region, I'll  go the old fashioned way, not
jut try to set my properties . . ..


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RE: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

JOY TO THE WORLD!!

Ali/Panos, thank you.

This is why I support the LC platform and more importantly the LC team and
why I contributed to the various campaigns. What other commercial product
has the heavyweights monitoring an email list and not only chime in with
help but solve problems @11:00 pm on the Friday before a holiday?

Ralph DiMola
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Subject: Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

Indeed, I had this issue on a native windows 7 machine. The issue was fixed
once I uninstalled (by running the setup.exe file) and then reinstalling.

Best,
Panos

On Dec 22, 2017 22:43, "Ali Lloyd via use-livecode" <
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> Try uninstalling and reinstalling. I believe Panos ran into this in 
> testing at some point last week but was unable to replicate
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:37 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < 
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I was trying to replicate J Gay's Android build error I ran into a 
> > roadblock.
> >
> > I can't launch on Win 10 build 1709 on a VM. The splash hangs at 
> > "Loading Libraries". I dumped all mu Plug-Ins and nuked the prefs, 
> > disabled AV SW, ran as administrator but still no joy.
> >
> > Any ideas before a get a QCC report going?
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Indeed, I had this issue on a native windows 7 machine. The issue was fixed
once I uninstalled (by running the setup.exe file) and then reinstalling.

Best,
Panos

On Dec 22, 2017 22:43, "Ali Lloyd via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Try uninstalling and reinstalling. I believe Panos ran into this in testing
> at some point last week but was unable to replicate
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:37 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I was trying to replicate J Gay's Android build error I ran into a
> > roadblock.
> >
> > I can't launch on Win 10 build 1709 on a VM. The splash hangs at "Loading
> > Libraries". I dumped all mu Plug-Ins and nuked the prefs, disabled AV SW,
> > ran as administrator but still no joy.
> >
> > Any ideas before a get a QCC report going?
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Try uninstalling and reinstalling. I believe Panos ran into this in testing
at some point last week but was unable to replicate

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:37 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> I was trying to replicate J Gay's Android build error I ran into a
> roadblock.
>
> I can't launch on Win 10 build 1709 on a VM. The splash hangs at "Loading
> Libraries". I dumped all mu Plug-Ins and nuked the prefs, disabled AV SW,
> ran as administrator but still no joy.
>
> Any ideas before a get a QCC report going?
>
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RE: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I was trying to replicate J Gay's Android build error I ran into a roadblock.

I can't launch on Win 10 build 1709 on a VM. The splash hangs at "Loading 
Libraries". I dumped all mu Plug-Ins and nuked the prefs, disabled AV SW, ran 
as administrator but still no joy.

Any ideas before a get a QCC report going?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

Nice release!

For anyone playing with the new MAP widget, the dictionary entry for 
regionChanged states:

on regionChanged
   UpdateCoordinateDisplay the centerCoordinate of the target
end regionChanged

command UpdateCoordinateDisplay pCenter
   put item 1 of pCenter into field "latitude"
   put item 2 of pCenter into field "longitude"
end UpdateCoordinateDisplay


That won’t work because it should read ‘the centerCoordinates’not ‘the 
centerCoordinate’.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I know you can.  I'm not really worried about the space.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Another thing you can do in this DP is hide individual widgets from the
> tools palette from the extension manager, should you wish.
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:13 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > cool!  that'll give me more space in my tools palette for all the widgets
> > I'll be able to download from the widget store
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > the good news is i ran my stack and i make EXTENSIVE use of the
> > > datagrid...everything looked fine and worked as expected.. maybe
> its
> > > just me but it feels snappier scrolling on the desktop.. but i
> > > could be imagining it though. I'm going to do some optimizing and
> testing
> > > on my own use case.
> > >
> > > epic christmas season for our company's stack, thanks alot for all your
> > > hard work.
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:00 PM, AndyP via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fantastic release  .. what a great Christmas prezzy!
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to trying out all the new features.
> > > >
> > > > All the elves at the LiveCode Santa cabin must have worked really
> hard
> > to
> > > > get this out to us before the holidays so a BIG thank you to all the
> > team
> > > > for all their efforts over the past year.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Andy Piddock
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> > > >
> > > > TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
> > > > TinyIDE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
> > > >
> > > > PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour
> > picker
> > > > / finder.
> > > > http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
> > > > --
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Another thing you can do in this DP is hide individual widgets from the
tools palette from the extension manager, should you wish.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:13 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> cool!  that'll give me more space in my tools palette for all the widgets
> I'll be able to download from the widget store
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > the good news is i ran my stack and i make EXTENSIVE use of the
> > datagrid...everything looked fine and worked as expected.. maybe its
> > just me but it feels snappier scrolling on the desktop.. but i
> > could be imagining it though. I'm going to do some optimizing and testing
> > on my own use case.
> >
> > epic christmas season for our company's stack, thanks alot for all your
> > hard work.
> >
> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:00 PM, AndyP via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fantastic release  .. what a great Christmas prezzy!
> > >
> > > Looking forward to trying out all the new features.
> > >
> > > All the elves at the LiveCode Santa cabin must have worked really hard
> to
> > > get this out to us before the holidays so a BIG thank you to all the
> team
> > > for all their efforts over the past year.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Andy Piddock
> > >
> > >
> > > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> > >
> > > TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
> > > TinyIDE
> > >
> > >
> > > Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
> > >
> > > PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour
> picker
> > > / finder.
> > > http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
> > > --
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

cool!  that'll give me more space in my tools palette for all the widgets
I'll be able to download from the widget store

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> the good news is i ran my stack and i make EXTENSIVE use of the
> datagrid...everything looked fine and worked as expected.. maybe its
> just me but it feels snappier scrolling on the desktop.. but i
> could be imagining it though. I'm going to do some optimizing and testing
> on my own use case.
>
> epic christmas season for our company's stack, thanks alot for all your
> hard work.
>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:00 PM, AndyP via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Fantastic release  .. what a great Christmas prezzy!
> >
> > Looking forward to trying out all the new features.
> >
> > All the elves at the LiveCode Santa cabin must have worked really hard to
> > get this out to us before the holidays so a BIG thank you to all the team
> > for all their efforts over the past year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Andy Piddock
> >
> >
> > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> >
> > TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
> > TinyIDE
> >
> >
> > Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
> >
> > PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker
> > / finder.
> > http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
> > --
> > Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> > Revolution-User-f278306.html
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

the good news is i ran my stack and i make EXTENSIVE use of the
datagrid...everything looked fine and worked as expected.. maybe its
just me but it feels snappier scrolling on the desktop.. but i
could be imagining it though. I'm going to do some optimizing and testing
on my own use case.

epic christmas season for our company's stack, thanks alot for all your
hard work.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year



On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:00 PM, AndyP via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Fantastic release  .. what a great Christmas prezzy!
>
> Looking forward to trying out all the new features.
>
> All the elves at the LiveCode Santa cabin must have worked really hard to
> get this out to us before the holidays so a BIG thank you to all the team
> for all their efforts over the past year.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>
> TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
> TinyIDE
>
>
> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
>
> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker
> / finder.
> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
> --
> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> Revolution-User-f278306.html
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[AndyP via use-livecode]

Fantastic release  .. what a great Christmas prezzy!

Looking forward to trying out all the new features.

All the elves at the LiveCode Santa cabin must have worked really hard to
get this out to us before the holidays so a BIG thank you to all the team
for all their efforts over the past year.





-
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
TinyIDE 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / 
finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Dave Kilroy via use-livecode]

Thank you all LiveCode workers - Merry Christmas to you all

Kind regards

Dave


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Ali Lloyd via use-livecode]

Yes, that is indeed the intention- but we thought we’d give you the
components along the way until we’ve figured out the correct API for the
cross platform version and actually implemented for all platforms.

The single platform versions will likely stay around in some form, probably
in the extensions store, as their properties and messages can be more
closely mapped to the native ones and they can have features not available
on other platforms.

The map widget is a slight anomaly in that we’ve gone straight for the
cross-platform approach - but mainly because it’s unclear what platforms it
will be possible to add support for, but we can be fairly confident if a
platform supports it then we can implement everything in the current map
widget feature set

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 16:36, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I think both of these features (a "universal" native button widget and the
> ability to add your own icons) will be added in the upcoming LC 9.x
> releases.
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm sure someone already asked this:  Why not have one native button,
> that
> > when we build for platform x compiles for that platform?  We have a mac
> > button, an android button, and an ios button.  We have an android field,
> a
> > mac field (no ios field)...
> > I can't wait for someone to hack the navigation bar so you can add
> whatever
> > icons you like.  I've looked at doing it, but it's not on the front
> burner.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Mike Kerner  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for ruining it for me, Ralph.  Any thought of analog makes me
> ill.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wh
> > >> You folks rock!
> > >>
> > >> I feel like the xmas I got my first Heathkit oscilloscope. I spent the
> > >> entire first day building it and the next year using it. Excitement on
> > both
> > >> fronts just like dp11 will.
> > >>
> > >> Margaret and I send our best wishes to the mother ship and all you
> good
> > >> people on the list.
> > >>
> > >> Ralph DiMola
> > >> IT Director
> > >> Evergreen Information Services
> > >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> > >> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:31 AM
> > >> To: How to use LiveCode
> > >> Cc: panagiotis merakos
> > >> Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11
> > >>
> > >> Dear list members,
> > >>
> > >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
> > >>
> > >> Developer Preview Release
> > >> =
> > >> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up
> > >> your stacks before testing them.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Getting the Release
> > >> ===
> > >> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> or
> > >> via the automatic updater.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Release Contents
> > >> 
> > >> LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 comes with more than 40 bugfixes. Moreover, more
> > than
> > >> 90 bugfixes that were fixed in LiveCode 8.1.x and 8.2.x, are now
> merged
> > >> into LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
> > >>
> > >> In addition, LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 includes several amazing new
> features:
> > >>
> > >> - Great progress on Obj-C FFI: support for dynamic instance binding,
> > >> dynamic property binding and delegate support is added. With LCB, you
> > can
> > >> easily wrap an API of your choice and use it from LiveCode Script. For
> > >> example, see the code in http://quality.livecode.com/sh
> > >> ow_bug.cgi?id=20733,
> > >> which wraps NSUserNotification, used to send a notification.
> > >> - Target folder variant of the detailed files and the detailed
> folders:
> > >> The
> > >> files() and folders() function now have a second optional argument,
> > >> allowing “detailed” to be specified.
> > >> - Image Object SVG support: Include high quality SVG images at a very
> > >> small cost on the standalone size
> > >> - HTML5 windowing: This allows tooltips, dialogs, and pop-up menus to
> > >> work within the HTML5 engine. This also allows multiple stacks to be
> > opened
> > >> on the HTML5 page.
> > >> - Windows cameraControl enhancements: Support to the windows camera
> > >> control for exposure, focus and white balance mode properties has been
> > >> added.
> > >> - Data Grid 2 visual / interactive elements: datagrid edit mode swipe
> > >> actions / drag reordering
> > >> - New LCB syntax: added support for "the architecture", "trigger all"
> > and
> > >> access to system error
> > >> - Android AAR support: Add support for AAR files as extension
> > dependencies
> > >> - Android manifest merging: An android manifest merging me

Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Mike,

I think both of these features (a "universal" native button widget and the
ability to add your own icons) will be added in the upcoming LC 9.x
releases.

Best,
Panos
--

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm sure someone already asked this:  Why not have one native button, that
> when we build for platform x compiles for that platform?  We have a mac
> button, an android button, and an ios button.  We have an android field, a
> mac field (no ios field)...
> I can't wait for someone to hack the navigation bar so you can add whatever
> icons you like.  I've looked at doing it, but it's not on the front burner.
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for ruining it for me, Ralph.  Any thought of analog makes me ill.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wh
> >> You folks rock!
> >>
> >> I feel like the xmas I got my first Heathkit oscilloscope. I spent the
> >> entire first day building it and the next year using it. Excitement on
> both
> >> fronts just like dp11 will.
> >>
> >> Margaret and I send our best wishes to the mother ship and all you good
> >> people on the list.
> >>
> >> Ralph DiMola
> >> IT Director
> >> Evergreen Information Services
> >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> >> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> >> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:31 AM
> >> To: How to use LiveCode
> >> Cc: panagiotis merakos
> >> Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11
> >>
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
> >>
> >> Developer Preview Release
> >> =
> >> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up
> >> your stacks before testing them.
> >>
> >>
> >> Getting the Release
> >> ===
> >> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> >> via the automatic updater.
> >>
> >>
> >> Release Contents
> >> 
> >> LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 comes with more than 40 bugfixes. Moreover, more
> than
> >> 90 bugfixes that were fixed in LiveCode 8.1.x and 8.2.x, are now merged
> >> into LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
> >>
> >> In addition, LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 includes several amazing new features:
> >>
> >> - Great progress on Obj-C FFI: support for dynamic instance binding,
> >> dynamic property binding and delegate support is added. With LCB, you
> can
> >> easily wrap an API of your choice and use it from LiveCode Script. For
> >> example, see the code in http://quality.livecode.com/sh
> >> ow_bug.cgi?id=20733,
> >> which wraps NSUserNotification, used to send a notification.
> >> - Target folder variant of the detailed files and the detailed folders:
> >> The
> >> files() and folders() function now have a second optional argument,
> >> allowing “detailed” to be specified.
> >> - Image Object SVG support: Include high quality SVG images at a very
> >> small cost on the standalone size
> >> - HTML5 windowing: This allows tooltips, dialogs, and pop-up menus to
> >> work within the HTML5 engine. This also allows multiple stacks to be
> opened
> >> on the HTML5 page.
> >> - Windows cameraControl enhancements: Support to the windows camera
> >> control for exposure, focus and white balance mode properties has been
> >> added.
> >> - Data Grid 2 visual / interactive elements: datagrid edit mode swipe
> >> actions / drag reordering
> >> - New LCB syntax: added support for "the architecture", "trigger all"
> and
> >> access to system error
> >> - Android AAR support: Add support for AAR files as extension
> dependencies
> >> - Android manifest merging: An android manifest merging mechanism has
> >> been added to the android standalone builder. This enables manifests to
> be
> >> included in extension jvm-android code folders which are then merged
> into
> >> the main manifest at build time.
> >> - Android Toast Notification Library
> >> - Extension code library support: Extensions can now include compiled
> >> libraries on which they depend.
> >> - New Native Map Widget for Android, iOS and Mac 64 bit (Indy+)
> >> - New Signature Widget for all platforms (Indy+)
> >> - New SecureKey Library for Android, iOS and Mac (Business): The
> >> SecureKey library provides a way to encrypt data with a private key
> which
> >> is held securely on the device and tied to the application owning it.
> >> - New Media Foundation External (Business): A new external has been
> >> implemented to allow transcoding and basic editing of videos on Windows.
> >> The external supports Windows 8.1+.
> >> - Browser Widget now works again in 64 bit Linux
> >> - Browser Widget now works in 32 bit Linux as well :)
> >>
> >> Last, but not least, LC 9.0.0 DP-11 includes a new version of our
> 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'm sure someone already asked this:  Why not have one native button, that
when we build for platform x compiles for that platform?  We have a mac
button, an android button, and an ios button.  We have an android field, a
mac field (no ios field)...
I can't wait for someone to hack the navigation bar so you can add whatever
icons you like.  I've looked at doing it, but it's not on the front burner.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> Thanks for ruining it for me, Ralph.  Any thought of analog makes me ill.
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Wh
>> You folks rock!
>>
>> I feel like the xmas I got my first Heathkit oscilloscope. I spent the
>> entire first day building it and the next year using it. Excitement on both
>> fronts just like dp11 will.
>>
>> Margaret and I send our best wishes to the mother ship and all you good
>> people on the list.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:31 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: panagiotis merakos
>> Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11
>>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
>>
>> Developer Preview Release
>> =
>> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up
>> your stacks before testing them.
>>
>>
>> Getting the Release
>> ===
>> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
>> via the automatic updater.
>>
>>
>> Release Contents
>> 
>> LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 comes with more than 40 bugfixes. Moreover, more than
>> 90 bugfixes that were fixed in LiveCode 8.1.x and 8.2.x, are now merged
>> into LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
>>
>> In addition, LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 includes several amazing new features:
>>
>> - Great progress on Obj-C FFI: support for dynamic instance binding,
>> dynamic property binding and delegate support is added. With LCB, you can
>> easily wrap an API of your choice and use it from LiveCode Script. For
>> example, see the code in http://quality.livecode.com/sh
>> ow_bug.cgi?id=20733,
>> which wraps NSUserNotification, used to send a notification.
>> - Target folder variant of the detailed files and the detailed folders:
>> The
>> files() and folders() function now have a second optional argument,
>> allowing “detailed” to be specified.
>> - Image Object SVG support: Include high quality SVG images at a very
>> small cost on the standalone size
>> - HTML5 windowing: This allows tooltips, dialogs, and pop-up menus to
>> work within the HTML5 engine. This also allows multiple stacks to be opened
>> on the HTML5 page.
>> - Windows cameraControl enhancements: Support to the windows camera
>> control for exposure, focus and white balance mode properties has been
>> added.
>> - Data Grid 2 visual / interactive elements: datagrid edit mode swipe
>> actions / drag reordering
>> - New LCB syntax: added support for "the architecture", "trigger all" and
>> access to system error
>> - Android AAR support: Add support for AAR files as extension dependencies
>> - Android manifest merging: An android manifest merging mechanism has
>> been added to the android standalone builder. This enables manifests to be
>> included in extension jvm-android code folders which are then merged into
>> the main manifest at build time.
>> - Android Toast Notification Library
>> - Extension code library support: Extensions can now include compiled
>> libraries on which they depend.
>> - New Native Map Widget for Android, iOS and Mac 64 bit (Indy+)
>> - New Signature Widget for all platforms (Indy+)
>> - New SecureKey Library for Android, iOS and Mac (Business): The
>> SecureKey library provides a way to encrypt data with a private key which
>> is held securely on the device and tied to the application owning it.
>> - New Media Foundation External (Business): A new external has been
>> implemented to allow transcoding and basic editing of videos on Windows.
>> The external supports Windows 8.1+.
>> - Browser Widget now works again in 64 bit Linux
>> - Browser Widget now works in 32 bit Linux as well :)
>>
>> Last, but not least, LC 9.0.0 DP-11 includes a new version of our
>> prebuilt OpenSSL library, new versions of tsNet and mergExt* externals, as
>> well as support for the latest version of Xcode (9.2).
>>
>> For more details on this release, read Ali's exciting blogpost:
>>
>> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-the-final-preview/
>>
>> Important Note: The shortcuts for Autocomplete have changed, since they
>> were conflicting with existing shortcuts in some platforms. So, now:
>>
>> - The F1 key (or Fn+F1 in some keyboards) is now used for presenting
>> autocomplete when 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Thanks for ruining it for me, Ralph.  Any thought of analog makes me ill.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Wh
> You folks rock!
>
> I feel like the xmas I got my first Heathkit oscilloscope. I spent the
> entire first day building it and the next year using it. Excitement on both
> fronts just like dp11 will.
>
> Margaret and I send our best wishes to the mother ship and all you good
> people on the list.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:31 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: panagiotis merakos
> Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11
>
> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
>
> Developer Preview Release
> =
> Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up
> your stacks before testing them.
>
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or
> via the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 comes with more than 40 bugfixes. Moreover, more than
> 90 bugfixes that were fixed in LiveCode 8.1.x and 8.2.x, are now merged
> into LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.
>
> In addition, LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 includes several amazing new features:
>
> - Great progress on Obj-C FFI: support for dynamic instance binding,
> dynamic property binding and delegate support is added. With LCB, you can
> easily wrap an API of your choice and use it from LiveCode Script. For
> example, see the code in http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20733
> ,
> which wraps NSUserNotification, used to send a notification.
> - Target folder variant of the detailed files and the detailed folders: The
> files() and folders() function now have a second optional argument,
> allowing “detailed” to be specified.
> - Image Object SVG support: Include high quality SVG images at a very
> small cost on the standalone size
> - HTML5 windowing: This allows tooltips, dialogs, and pop-up menus to work
> within the HTML5 engine. This also allows multiple stacks to be opened on
> the HTML5 page.
> - Windows cameraControl enhancements: Support to the windows camera
> control for exposure, focus and white balance mode properties has been
> added.
> - Data Grid 2 visual / interactive elements: datagrid edit mode swipe
> actions / drag reordering
> - New LCB syntax: added support for "the architecture", "trigger all" and
> access to system error
> - Android AAR support: Add support for AAR files as extension dependencies
> - Android manifest merging: An android manifest merging mechanism has been
> added to the android standalone builder. This enables manifests to be
> included in extension jvm-android code folders which are then merged into
> the main manifest at build time.
> - Android Toast Notification Library
> - Extension code library support: Extensions can now include compiled
> libraries on which they depend.
> - New Native Map Widget for Android, iOS and Mac 64 bit (Indy+)
> - New Signature Widget for all platforms (Indy+)
> - New SecureKey Library for Android, iOS and Mac (Business): The SecureKey
> library provides a way to encrypt data with a private key which is held
> securely on the device and tied to the application owning it.
> - New Media Foundation External (Business): A new external has been
> implemented to allow transcoding and basic editing of videos on Windows.
> The external supports Windows 8.1+.
> - Browser Widget now works again in 64 bit Linux
> - Browser Widget now works in 32 bit Linux as well :)
>
> Last, but not least, LC 9.0.0 DP-11 includes a new version of our prebuilt
> OpenSSL library, new versions of tsNet and mergExt* externals, as well as
> support for the latest version of Xcode (9.2).
>
> For more details on this release, read Ali's exciting blogpost:
>
> https://livecode.com/livecode-9-the-final-preview/
>
> Important Note: The shortcuts for Autocomplete have changed, since they
> were conflicting with existing shortcuts in some platforms. So, now:
>
> - The F1 key (or Fn+F1 in some keyboards) is now used for presenting
> autocomplete when the user has the live autocomplete preference off. If the
> completions pane is already presented, the F1 key will launch the
> dictionary if the chosen completion is documented.
> - The tab key is now used to apply the completion, or to move to the next
> placeholder.
>
>
> Known issues
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros
> with Cinnamon window manager.
> - DataGrid swipe (and drag-reorder) actions seem to interfere with the
> scroller on Android, requiring an additional swipe (and drag-reorder)
> action to

RE: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Wh
You folks rock!

I feel like the xmas I got my first Heathkit oscilloscope. I spent the entire 
first day building it and the next year using it. Excitement on both fronts 
just like dp11 will.

Margaret and I send our best wishes to the mother ship and all you good people 
on the list.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:31 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: panagiotis merakos
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up your 
stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via the 
automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 comes with more than 40 bugfixes. Moreover, more than
90 bugfixes that were fixed in LiveCode 8.1.x and 8.2.x, are now merged into 
LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.

In addition, LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 includes several amazing new features:

- Great progress on Obj-C FFI: support for dynamic instance binding, dynamic 
property binding and delegate support is added. With LCB, you can easily wrap 
an API of your choice and use it from LiveCode Script. For example, see the 
code in http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20733,
which wraps NSUserNotification, used to send a notification.
- Target folder variant of the detailed files and the detailed folders: The
files() and folders() function now have a second optional argument, allowing 
“detailed” to be specified.
- Image Object SVG support: Include high quality SVG images at a very small 
cost on the standalone size
- HTML5 windowing: This allows tooltips, dialogs, and pop-up menus to work 
within the HTML5 engine. This also allows multiple stacks to be opened on the 
HTML5 page.
- Windows cameraControl enhancements: Support to the windows camera control for 
exposure, focus and white balance mode properties has been added.
- Data Grid 2 visual / interactive elements: datagrid edit mode swipe actions / 
drag reordering
- New LCB syntax: added support for "the architecture", "trigger all" and 
access to system error
- Android AAR support: Add support for AAR files as extension dependencies
- Android manifest merging: An android manifest merging mechanism has been 
added to the android standalone builder. This enables manifests to be included 
in extension jvm-android code folders which are then merged into the main 
manifest at build time.
- Android Toast Notification Library
- Extension code library support: Extensions can now include compiled libraries 
on which they depend.
- New Native Map Widget for Android, iOS and Mac 64 bit (Indy+)
- New Signature Widget for all platforms (Indy+)
- New SecureKey Library for Android, iOS and Mac (Business): The SecureKey 
library provides a way to encrypt data with a private key which is held 
securely on the device and tied to the application owning it.
- New Media Foundation External (Business): A new external has been implemented 
to allow transcoding and basic editing of videos on Windows.
The external supports Windows 8.1+.
- Browser Widget now works again in 64 bit Linux
- Browser Widget now works in 32 bit Linux as well :)

Last, but not least, LC 9.0.0 DP-11 includes a new version of our prebuilt 
OpenSSL library, new versions of tsNet and mergExt* externals, as well as 
support for the latest version of Xcode (9.2).

For more details on this release, read Ali's exciting blogpost:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-the-final-preview/

Important Note: The shortcuts for Autocomplete have changed, since they were 
conflicting with existing shortcuts in some platforms. So, now:

- The F1 key (or Fn+F1 in some keyboards) is now used for presenting 
autocomplete when the user has the live autocomplete preference off. If the 
completions pane is already presented, the F1 key will launch the dictionary if 
the chosen completion is documented.
- The tab key is now used to apply the completion, or to move to the next 
placeholder.


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with 
Cinnamon window manager.
- DataGrid swipe (and drag-reorder) actions seem to interfere with the scroller 
on Android, requiring an additional swipe (and drag-reorder) action to make it 
work. This will be fixed in next release.
- You might not be able to run HTML5 standalones locally using the most recent 
version of Safari or Chrome (Firefox is OK). This is due to those browsers now 
prohibiting cross-origin-requests. To test out standalones locally using these 
browser, we suggest using a local HTTP server as described in 

Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Amazing, fabulous! There's something for everyone in there and this really 
is a marvelous gift. Thank you so much team, you're the best.


An Android toast to you all!

--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On December 22, 2017 8:33:43 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up your
stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 comes with more than 40 bugfixes. Moreover, more than
90 bugfixes that were fixed in LiveCode 8.1.x and 8.2.x, are now merged
into LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11.

In addition, LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-11 includes several amazing new features:

- Great progress on Obj-C FFI: support for dynamic instance binding,
dynamic property binding and delegate support is added. With LCB, you can
easily wrap an API of your choice and use it from LiveCode Script. For
example, see the code in http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20733,
which wraps NSUserNotification, used to send a notification.
- Target folder variant of the detailed files and the detailed folders: The
files() and folders() function now have a second optional argument,
allowing “detailed” to be specified.
- Image Object SVG support: Include high quality SVG images at a very small
cost on the standalone size
- HTML5 windowing: This allows tooltips, dialogs, and pop-up menus to work
within the HTML5 engine. This also allows multiple stacks to be opened on
the HTML5 page.
- Windows cameraControl enhancements: Support to the windows camera control
for exposure, focus and white balance mode properties has been added.
- Data Grid 2 visual / interactive elements: datagrid edit mode swipe
actions / drag reordering
- New LCB syntax: added support for "the architecture", "trigger all" and
access to system error
- Android AAR support: Add support for AAR files as extension dependencies
- Android manifest merging: An android manifest merging mechanism has been
added to the android standalone builder. This enables manifests to be
included in extension jvm-android code folders which are then merged into
the main
manifest at build time.
- Android Toast Notification Library
- Extension code library support: Extensions can now include compiled
libraries on which they depend.
- New Native Map Widget for Android, iOS and Mac 64 bit (Indy+)
- New Signature Widget for all platforms (Indy+)
- New SecureKey Library for Android, iOS and Mac (Business): The SecureKey
library provides a way to encrypt data with a private key which is held
securely on the device and tied to the application owning it.
- New Media Foundation External (Business): A new external has been
implemented to allow transcoding and basic editing of videos on Windows.
The external supports Windows 8.1+.
- Browser Widget now works again in 64 bit Linux
- Browser Widget now works in 32 bit Linux as well :)

Last, but not least, LC 9.0.0 DP-11 includes a new version of our prebuilt
OpenSSL library, new versions of tsNet and mergExt* externals, as well as
support for the latest version of Xcode (9.2).

For more details on this release, read Ali's exciting blogpost:

https://livecode.com/livecode-9-the-final-preview/

Important Note: The shortcuts for Autocomplete have changed, since they
were conflicting with existing shortcuts in some platforms. So, now:

- The F1 key (or Fn+F1 in some keyboards) is now used for presenting
autocomplete when the user has the live autocomplete preference off. If the
completions pane is already presented, the F1 key will launch the
dictionary if the chosen completion is documented.
- The tab key is now used to apply the completion, or to move to the next
placeholder.


Known issues

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- DataGrid swipe (and drag-reorder) actions seem to interfere with the
scroller on Android, requiring an additional swipe (and drag-reorder)
action to make it work. This will be fixed in next release.
- You might not be able to run HTML5 standalones locally using the most
recent version of Safari or Chrome (Firefox is OK). This is due to those
browsers now prohibiting cross-origin-requests. To test out standalones
locally using these browser, we suggest using a local HTTP server as
described in the HTML5 deployment guide. However, this will not be a
problem if you use the new HTML5 deployment library, which does this for
you: You just have to choose one of the installed browsers (click on the
"Development -> Test Target" menu item), and then click on the "Test"
button.
- Although the Mac Map

Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

congrats...huge milestone...can't wait for a stable release so i can use it
with my projecti will test through and give feedback.  is there a
timeframe for a non dp or rc 9.0 release?

great job livecode team.

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Congratulations and thanks to the whole LiveCode team on getting this
> release
> out before the holidays!  You deserve a good rest over the holidays.  Best
> to all of you and your families.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-11

[Martin Koob via use-livecode]

Congratulations and thanks to the whole LiveCode team on getting this release
out before the holidays!  You deserve a good rest over the holidays.  Best
to all of you and your families.

Martin



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-10

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Jacque

If you uncheck "Script Debug Mode", the Remote Debugger will not be
included in the standalone when you use the "Test" button

Best,
Panos
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On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:37 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/17 6:20 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-10 comes with 27 bugfixes.
>>
>
> Monte, where is the Romote Debugging toggle? Is it tied to Debug Mode?
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-10

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 10/23/17 6:20 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-10 comes with 27 bugfixes.


Monte, where is the Romote Debugging toggle? Is it tied to Debug Mode?

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-9

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Till,

We have not received any reports about missing Dictionary in LC 9.0.0 DP-9
on OSX.

Not sure why you see that issue. I would suggest you delete and reinstall
LC 9.0.0 DP-9.

Please let us know if this fixed the issue for you.

Best,
Panos
--

PS: Just to double-check, you do have enough free space in this machine,
don't you?

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 6:16 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I get the dictionary in this version.
> Bill P
>
> > On Sep 26, 2017, at 7:09 AM, Till Bandi  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Panos
> >
> > the dictionary is again missing
> >
> > the recipes you proposed in your  mail of june 21st do not work (there
> is no  „/Users//Library/Application
> Support/RunRev/Documentation Cache/ folder“
> >
> > The other possibility, to use the TiniyDictionary proposed by Mark
> Wieder doesn’t work either: LiveCard warns „The handler: populateMainField
> has reached the recursion limit of : 40. Execution will be terminated
> to prevent hang“
> >
> > I tried to reinstall LiveCard and restarted the system (macOS Sierra
> Version 10.12.6) but that did not make any difference.
> >
> > Is there an other work around possible?
> >
> > Till
> >
> >> Am 22.09.2017 um 11:38 schrieb panagiotis merakos <
> panos.mera...@livecode.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear list members,
> >>
> >> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-9.
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-9

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

I get the dictionary in this version.
Bill P

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 7:09 AM, Till Bandi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Panos
> 
> the dictionary is again missing
> 
> the recipes you proposed in your  mail of june 21st do not work (there is no  
> „/Users//Library/Application Support/RunRev/Documentation 
> Cache/ folder“
> 
> The other possibility, to use the TiniyDictionary proposed by Mark Wieder 
> doesn’t work either: LiveCard warns „The handler: populateMainField has 
> reached the recursion limit of : 40. Execution will be terminated to 
> prevent hang“
> 
> I tried to reinstall LiveCard and restarted the system (macOS Sierra Version 
> 10.12.6) but that did not make any difference.
> 
> Is there an other work around possible?
> 
> Till
> 
>> Am 22.09.2017 um 11:38 schrieb panagiotis merakos 
>> :
>> 
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-9.
>> 
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-9

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Richard,

My bad, this feature should have been phrased more clearly. Essentially,
this is about the ability to support libURL syntax in an HTML5 standalone,
such as `put ULR .. ` and `get URL ..`.

This is the PR: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/5751/files

You can see the changes in the dictionary entries, which also include some
cross-platform notes.

Regarding the dependencies, you just have to make sure that "Internet" is
checked in the Inclusions pane.

Best,
Panos
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> panagiotis merakos wrote:
>
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-9.
>
> Thanks, Panos.  It's looking good in my early work with it this morning.
>
> > - A liburl driver has been added that implements the liburl handlers
> > for http(s) urls. The driver calls javascript functions (via do as
> > javascript) to create xml http requests for each url fetched by liburl
>
> How does this affect dependencies?
>
> Being now JS-based, are we required to include the Browser widget when
> using any HTTP calls?
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-9

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

panagiotis merakos wrote:

> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-9.

Thanks, Panos.  It's looking good in my early work with it this morning.

> - A liburl driver has been added that implements the liburl handlers
> for http(s) urls. The driver calls javascript functions (via do as
> javascript) to create xml http requests for each url fetched by liburl

How does this affect dependencies?

Being now JS-based, are we required to include the Browser widget when 
using any HTTP calls?


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Monkey Patching. I like that. Is that a reference to the Scopes Monkey trial? 

Just as an aside, I heard a brilliant professor once provide the most excellent 
challenge to the Monkeys on Typewriters illustration I have yet heard. He said 
that the illustration was not true to nature because the magical typewriters 
were not capable of REMOVING the randomly typed letters from the paper. By that 
he meant that in an aqueous solution, while it is certainly possible that amino 
acids can often form simple, and perhaps rarely, complex proteins, the 
equilibrium actually far more favors the BREAKDOWN of proteins into their amino 
acid components. 

So now how long would it take to randomly produce the famed literary piece? Or 
a protein so complex and optically pure it could begin to reproduce itself, and 
repair itself, and protect itself from the environment? Once equilibrium is 
accounted for, and the balance favors the breakdown of proteins, even infinity 
cannot produce the results one might want. In fact it fairly guarantees it's 
failure. 

Bob S


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:58 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> but if the script editor hasn't already been loaded into memory I don't think 
> you can do this without monkeypatching the SE startup script.
> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/18/2017 06:46 AM, Bob Hall via use-livecode wrote:

I’ve had the completion capability on my local dev environment for a couple of 
years via a plugin that I wrote. I wrestled with these same problems years ago. 
I actually find that it is benefitial to have BOTH completion and no 
completion. Having a setting to change this is combersome. It is an on-the-fly 
desire.


Here's my take on that... with a simple addition you can bracket 
existing text as well as inserting a pair in one place.


on rawKeyDown pKey
   local tBookmarks
   local tChunk

   if optionkey() = "down" then
  switch pKey
 case 34 # ok
put quote"e into tBookmarks
break
 case 39 # ok
put "''" into tBookmarks
break
 case 57 #?
 case 40
put "()" into tBookmarks
break
 case 91 # ok
put "[]" into tBookmarks
break
 case 123 # ok
put "{}" into tBookmarks
break
 default
  end switch
   end if

   # see if we want to insert a pairing
   if tBookmarks is not empty then
  # this allows bracketing existing text
  put the selectedChunk into tChunk
  put char 2 of tBookmarks after the selectedChunk
  select tChunk
  put char 1 of tBookmarks before the selectedChunk
   else
  pass rawKeyDown
   end if
end rawKeyDown


Also, if the script editor is already in memory you don't need to insert 
a frontscript - just


set the behavior of stack "revSEEditorBehavior" to the long id of 



but if the script editor hasn't already been loaded into memory I don't 
think you can do this without monkeypatching the SE startup script.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Bob Hall via use-livecode]

I’ve had the completion capability on my local dev environment for a couple of 
years via a plugin that I wrote. I wrestled with these same problems years ago. 
I actually find that it is benefitial to have BOTH completion and no 
completion. Having a setting to change this is combersome. It is an on-the-fly 
desire.

So here’s how I solved the problem in my IDE startup script…

Hold down the option key and you get completion. no option key, no completion.

If you’d like to try this on your own, put this into a plugin that loads this 
into the frontscript. Don’t use LC 9dp8 though as you won’t get the non-option 
key effect of the pairings...

Bob
/*

* auto complete common pairings with 

*/

on rawKeyDown pKey

local tChar


if optionkey() = "down" then

switch pKey

case 34

insertText quote"e

exit rawKeyDown

break

case 39

insertText "''"

exit rawKeyDown

break

case 57

insertText "()"

exit rawKeyDown

break

case 91

insertText "[]"

exit rawKeyDown

break

case 123

insertText "{}"

exit rawKeyDown

break

end switch

end if


pass rawKeyDown

end rawKeyDown



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 18 Jul 2017, at 5:59 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think it is worth having a preference for both highlighting and completion 
> - it serves people's individual tastes, and as long as the preference is 
> discoverable then it won't add any complexity.

OK, I’ll open a report about those
> 
> Ideally highlighting would be context aware - so outside of a string, it 
> highlights other brackets outside of strings; but when in a string it 
> highlights brackets in strings:
> 
>  put (1 "a(2" & tVar ")2" )1 after tFoo
> 
> (Numbers used to indicate matching pairs)

I think it doesn’t currently do what you are suggesting but in the case above 
it does what you want anyway ;-)
> 
> I was thinking in terms of syntactically - missing the point of in-string 
> highlighting (as HH and Mark Wieder pointed out).
> 
> Indeed, the current approach is an approximation to the ideal and adding { 
> and } to highlighting wouldn't do any harm; and would serve the use-case of 
> JSON and similar generation.
> 
> In terms of ' then, for much the same reason that would probably be useful - 
> although that might require a bit more work on the highlighting code as it 
> isn't a matched pair (@montegoulding?).

Should be the same as quote so not a big issue if it’s helpful.

Cheers

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-07-17 23:25, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:

Actually it’s quite helpful within strings. Consider a string to be
used with the merge function or just the likelihood of wanting a pair
of brackets in a string rather than a single one. As for quotes as
they are not valid within a string if you are typing one it’s highly
likely you want two and to concatenate something between. For example:

put “foo baz”
— come along later and edit to
put “foo” && tBar && “baz”

There is already an autocomplete preference which the bracket
completion and control structure completion checks but it’s currently
not exposed in the IDE UI. Do we want fine grained control over which
parts of autocompletion we want active? That could be confusing.

Bracket highlighting does need a color pref… I guess if this is empty
it could turn it off entirely if people want that.


I think it is worth having a preference for both highlighting and 
completion - it serves people's individual tastes, and as long as the 
preference is discoverable then it won't add any complexity.


Ideally highlighting would be context aware - so outside of a string, it 
highlights other brackets outside of strings; but when in a string it 
highlights brackets in strings:


  put (1 "a(2" & tVar ")2" )1 after tFoo

(Numbers used to indicate matching pairs)

I was thinking in terms of syntactically - missing the point of 
in-string highlighting (as HH and Mark Wieder pointed out).


Indeed, the current approach is an approximation to the ideal and adding 
{ and } to highlighting wouldn't do any harm; and would serve the 
use-case of JSON and similar generation.


In terms of ' then, for much the same reason that would probably be 
useful - although that might require a bit more work on the highlighting 
code as it isn't a matched pair (@montegoulding?).


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 17 Jul 2017, at 11:36 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Okay, so having just read the form thread as well...
> 
> There are two things here:
> 
>  1) Bracket highlighting
> 
>  2) Bracket completion
> 
> They should both be preferences.
> 
> Secondly, both should really only function on 'real' tokens which are part of 
> script (hence why '{' isn't appropriate at this time for it to function on). 
> If you are typing a string or a comment then it shouldn't trigger completion 
> nor highlighting. This is actually quite hard to get right efficiently 
> (indeed, a lot of editors don't get this right, so I end up turning such 
> features off).


Actually it’s quite helpful within strings. Consider a string to be used with 
the merge function or just the likelihood of wanting a pair of brackets in a 
string rather than a single one. As for quotes as they are not valid within a 
string if you are typing one it’s highly likely you want two and to concatenate 
something between. For example:

put “foo baz”
— come along later and edit to
put “foo” && tBar && “baz”

There is already an autocomplete preference which the bracket completion and 
control structure completion checks but it’s currently not exposed in the IDE 
UI. Do we want fine grained control over which parts of autocompletion we want 
active? That could be confusing.

Bracket highlighting does need a color pref… I guess if this is empty it could 
turn it off entirely if people want that.

Cheers

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/17/2017 05:33 AM, hh via use-livecode wrote:


The following compiles ;-)

on shouldn'tYouNotAppear?
answer "Just for fun: No."
end shouldn'tYouNotAppear?


I *do* use "?" trailers in the ruby sense for functions that return 
boolean values.

But double negatives? Eek!

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/17/2017 03:41 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

On Purpose. '{' is not a valid LCS bracket - so it shouldn't be appear 
outside of strings.


I would find "{}" completion *inside* strings very useful in generating 
json key:value pairs.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-07-17 18:39, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 07/17/2017 03:41 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Indeed, bracket completion has to ignore content of strings otherwise 
you can't write stuff like:


   put ( ")" & "'" ) & ( "'" ) into tVar

Without funky things happening.


...and with good reason. I can't think why I would *ever* write that.
If I had to do something that daft I'd write it as

put ")''" into tVar

but I would hope the occasion would never arise.


Indeed - it is a bit of tortuous example...

However cases of double quotes, single-quotes, un-balanced brackets, 
braces and parentheses all occur in various domains - most notably 
anything which processes or generates source-code.


Warmest Regards,

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/17/2017 03:41 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Indeed, bracket completion has to ignore content of strings otherwise 
you can't write stuff like:


   put ( ")" & "'" ) & ( "'" ) into tVar

Without funky things happening.


...and with good reason. I can't think why I would *ever* write that.
If I had to do something that daft I'd write it as

put ")''" into tVar

but I would hope the occasion would never arise.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-07-17 14:33, hh via use-livecode wrote:

Isn't this more a thing of editing only than of debugging/compiling?
The current completions occur also while I am typing inside of a 
string..


Okay, so having just read the form thread as well...

There are two things here:

  1) Bracket highlighting

  2) Bracket completion

They should both be preferences.

Secondly, both should really only function on 'real' tokens which are 
part of script (hence why '{' isn't appropriate at this time for it to 
function on). If you are typing a string or a comment then it shouldn't 
trigger completion nor highlighting. This is actually quite hard to get 
right efficiently (indeed, a lot of editors don't get this right, so I 
end up turning such features off).



on shouldn'tYouNotAppear?
   answer "Just for fun: No."
end shouldn'tYouNotAppear?


Heh - well ' was a bad example - its something we'd prefer wasn't 
allowed in identifiers as it means the token cannot be used for anything 
else (e.g. this stack's textColor). Similarly, the fact that '.' is also 
allowed in identifiers means that it could never be an operator (e.g. 
tRect.x).


Warmest Regards,

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[hh via use-livecode]

> Mark Waddingham wrote:
> On 2017-07-17 11:05, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> > @Hermann
> > I am not sure if "{}" were left out on purpose or not, I'll ask Monte.
> > However, if you want to add them, you have to:
> 
> On Purpose. '{' is not a valid LCS bracket - so it shouldn't be appear 
> outside of strings.
> Similarly, single-quote isn't a valid LCS token - so it shouldn't appear 
> outside of strings.
> Indeed, bracket completion has to ignore content of strings otherwise 
> you can't write stuff like:
>put ( ")" & "'" ) & ( "'" ) into tVar
> Without funky things happening.

Accepted that it's not there, of course.
But honestly, what I don't understand in your argumentation is:

Code completion doesn't force "{" or "'" to be outside of a string!?

Isn't this more a thing of editing only than of debugging/compiling?
The current completions occur also while I am typing inside of a string...

> single-quote isn't a valid LCS token - so it shouldn't appear outside
> of strings

The following compiles ;-)

on shouldn'tYouNotAppear?
   answer "Just for fun: No."
end shouldn'tYouNotAppear?


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-07-17 11:05, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

@Hermann

I am not sure if "{}" were left out on purpose or not, I'll ask Monte.
However, if you want to add them, you have to:


On Purpose. '{' is not a valid LCS bracket - so it shouldn't be appear 
outside of strings.


Similarly, single-quote isn't a valid LCS token - so it shouldn't appear 
outside of strings.


Indeed, bracket completion has to ignore content of strings otherwise 
you can't write stuff like:


  put ( ")" & "'" ) & ( "'" ) into tVar

Without funky things happening.

Warmest Regards,

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Hermann

I am not sure if "{}" were left out on purpose or not, I'll ask Monte.
However, if you want to add them, you have to:

0. Open the script of an object (needed for loading the SE behaviors
1. Type in the msg box:

edit the script of stack "com.livecode.scripteditor.behavior.editorcommon"
at 2968

2. Add the lines

case "{"
   put "}" into tCompletionChar

3. Click Apply

Note: If you want the changes to be saved permanently you either have to
change the permissions of the LC .app bundle (currently they are
read-only), OR open this file (Toolset/palettes/script
editor/behaviors/revsecommoneditorbehavior.livecodescript
)
with an external Text editor as admin and save those changes.

@Richmond
>Mayhap it could be made an option adjustable in the Script Editor
section of the Preferences?

Yes, this will make everyone happy, although I personally find this feature
*really* useful.

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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Panos M. wrote:
> > Script Editor: Support for auto completion of square bracket `[`,
> > parenthesis `(` or double quote `"` is now added.
>
> After writing a long script I really like this feature and miss it
> already in LC 8.1.6.
>
> I wonder what's the reason to leave out braces "{}" (may be needed for
> connecting to LCB) and single quotes (good for writing an already quoted
> javascript string)?
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Not universally popular:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29505

Mayhap it could be made an option adjustable in the Script Editor 
section of the Preferences?


Richmond.


On 7/17/17 10:59 am, hh via use-livecode wrote:

Panos M. wrote:
Script Editor: Support for auto completion of square bracket `[`,
parenthesis `(` or double quote `"` is now added.

After writing a long script I really like this feature and miss it
already in LC 8.1.6.

I wonder what's the reason to leave out braces "{}" (may be needed for
connecting to LCB) and single quotes (good for writing an already quoted
javascript string)?

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[hh via use-livecode]

> Panos M. wrote:
> Script Editor: Support for auto completion of square bracket `[`,
> parenthesis `(` or double quote `"` is now added.

After writing a long script I really like this feature and miss it
already in LC 8.1.6.

I wonder what's the reason to leave out braces "{}" (may be needed for
connecting to LCB) and single quotes (good for writing an already quoted
javascript string)?

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 14 Jul 2017, at 7:53 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> panagiotis wrote:
> 
> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-8.
> ...
> > - A new HTTPd script library has been added. The HTTP Server
> > library can be used to receive and respond to HTTP requests
> > in your application.
> 
> A very valuable addition.  I'm curious about what prompted that development 
> effort, and does it support HTTPS connections, or CGI?

One of my recent projects has been to create a test runner for HTML5. So all 
our tests that we run on the CI server are bundled up into a HTML5 app and run. 
In order to get the results back into LiveCode I made the simple HTTP server to 
handle callbacks that the HTML5 engine sends when it is served from localhost. 
I separated it into a script library so I could reuse it down the track in 
FileMaker for web views. I expect others will like to use it for serving 
browser widget content etc too. It is a rather simplified server script but 
it’s open source so if you need more than it offers feel free to send a PR. It 
doesn’t have a normal CGI interface. As the request comes in a callback is 
delivered to the object that started the server so your response can be 
dynamically generated.
> 
> > New experimental features:
> >
> > - [Experimental] A new "Mac Native Button" widget is added to
> > LiveCode's widget collection.
> 
> The Dictionary for this new version doesn't load on Linux this time (hangs 
> the process actually, one of the known issues), so forgive this question 
> probably answered there:
> 
> Does the syntax for that button style use "button" or "widget”?

widget
> 
> What does this do differently from the "Standard" button style?

It’s the actual native view rather than us getting details of how to draw a 
button from the OS and drawing it ourselves. It’s mainly an example but it 
would be useful for layering a button over another native view.
> 
> Does it have the same properties and message handling options we're used to 
> with buttons?

Not yet. I believe it only has mouseUp.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-8

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

panagiotis wrote:

> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-8.
...
> - A new HTTPd script library has been added. The HTTP Server
> library can be used to receive and respond to HTTP requests
> in your application.

A very valuable addition.  I'm curious about what prompted that 
development effort, and does it support HTTPS connections, or CGI?


> New experimental features:
>
> - [Experimental] A new "Mac Native Button" widget is added to
> LiveCode's widget collection.

The Dictionary for this new version doesn't load on Linux this time 
(hangs the process actually, one of the known issues), so forgive this 
question probably answered there:


Does the syntax for that button style use "button" or "widget"?

What does this do differently from the "Standard" button style?

Does it have the same properties and message handling options we're used 
to with buttons?


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, possibly fascinating from an intellectual point of view, but not much
cop when it comes to getting things done.

Richmond.

On 6/18/17 7:57 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Fascinating… I tried upgrading LC server on our Ubuntu web server last year, 
and it would fail on some scripts and the only information was exactly that

exiting on signal 4

BR


  


On 6/15/17, 9:02 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

 Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit
 
 In the Terminal I get:
 
 exiting on signal 4
 
 not exactly descriptive I'm afraid.
 
 Richmond.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Fascinating… I tried upgrading LC server on our Ubuntu web server last year, 
and it would fail on some scripts and the only information was exactly that

exiting on signal 4

BR


 

On 6/15/17, 9:02 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Richmond Mathewson via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit

In the Terminal I get:

exiting on signal 4

not exactly descriptive I'm afraid.

Richmond.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I second the motion, and I repeat my suggestion that we work on getting a
little community-operated crowdfunding operation going to tackle little
things like this and pay out rewards to people who do cool stuff.

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 06/16/2017 10:55 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is mentioned in the release announcement:
>>
>> 
>> Known issues
>> 
>> - The Browser widget can cause hang in the IDE in some Linux distros - see
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19658
>> ...
>>
>> It will be fixed in DP8.
>>
>
> Ah. I messed that in the notes. Hopefully it won't be another three months
> to dp8.
>
> At any event, devolution lets me assign tinyDictionary as the default
> instead of the IDE's version.
>
> I realize this is just a dp release, but wouldn't it be a lot easier to
> throw some money Bernd's way and adopt tinyDictionary as the default in the
> IDE?
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 06/16/2017 10:55 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Hi all,

This is mentioned in the release announcement:


Known issues

- The Browser widget can cause hang in the IDE in some Linux distros - see
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19658
...

It will be fixed in DP8.


Ah. I messed that in the notes. Hopefully it won't be another three 
months to dp8.


At any event, devolution lets me assign tinyDictionary as the default 
instead of the IDE's version.


I realize this is just a dp release, but wouldn't it be a lot easier to 
throw some money Bernd's way and adopt tinyDictionary as the default in 
the IDE?


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

This is mentioned in the release announcement:


Known issues

- The Browser widget can cause hang in the IDE in some Linux distros - see
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19658
...

It will be fixed in DP8.

Best,
Panos


On 17 Jun 2017 04:58, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

On 6/16/17 9:51 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

> On 06/16/2017 07:33 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>
> Seems okay on Mac/OS X.
>>
>>
> That's with dp7, right? I have no problems with dp6.
>
>
Yes, 9.0dp7. I just installed it.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 6/16/17 9:51 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 06/16/2017 07:33 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


Seems okay on Mac/OS X.



That's with dp7, right? I have no problems with dp6.



Yes, 9.0dp7. I just installed it.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 06/16/2017 08:53 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:



Is anyone else seeing that the dictionary is broken or is it again a 
case of just me?


warning: save your work first because you have to force-quit after 
trying this.


http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19895




These issues also appear here under openSUSE Tumbleweed.

Warren

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 06/16/2017 07:33 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


Seems okay on Mac/OS X.



That's with dp7, right? I have no problems with dp6.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 6/16/17 8:53 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
Is anyone else seeing that the dictionary is broken or is it again a 
case of just me?


warning: save your work first because you have to force-quit after 
trying this.


http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19895



Seems okay on Mac/OS X.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 06/15/2017 09:42 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-7.



Is anyone else seeing that the dictionary is broken or is it again a 
case of just me?


warning: save your work first because you have to force-quit after 
trying this.


http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19895

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-06-15 21:08, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

Bug 19882


I wonder if this is the same as - 
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19861


I encountered this because I run Linux in VMs on Azure, and you have to 
use XFCE (since Ubuntu Desktop is incompatible with MS RDP it would 
seem!). I must confess I thought it was an oddity of my setup - since 
we've not had any reports of crashes of the installer before.


Do you get a similar problem with 8.1.5-rc-1?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

FYI:

Attempts to build standalone for Android that worked in DP-5 fail in DP-7 (and 
DP-6 before)

I will file a bug report.

I had to regress to 9DP5  (or 8.1.5 RC1)

BR


On 6/15/17, 6:42 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via 
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Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.0 DP-7.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 06/15/2017 09:57 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Wow - tons of cool stuff!  Thanks!  v9 FTW!



Indeed! It's been a while since we had a dp release.

I do have to say that the description of bugfix 19165 in the Release 
Notes is pretty inscrutable. I had to go look at the bug report to make 
sense of it.


"Tweak formating on choose command doc removing return in browse param
to remove word fields from top of param list."

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0 DP-7

[hh via use-livecode]

So much new things to try, and a lot of bugs removed.
Thanks to the team for that.

I guess the dps are now numbered after the month of release,
so will we have with every other LC Global day a new one? ;-))

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