Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-07-03 Thread Eric Chatonet
Hi all, I followed this thread and I would like to share additional (off topic) conventions I use since years that help me a lot when reading (above all reading again some months later) my code: At the end of any line where I call another handler or function (custom or system), I am used

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-07-02 Thread Dennis Brown
Thank you all for your replies on your various style and naming conventions. I have studied them all and have come up with a style I think will work for me. I have started writing my personal style guide which I have appended below. I have not included many of the good style suggestions

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-07-02 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dennis Brown wrote: I would appreciate anyone taking a look at what I am planning and comment if you see something else that I might want to take into consideration before I code it into stone ;-) There's a huge body of xTalk code published over the years by authors who use most of what's

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-07-02 Thread Dennis Brown
Thank you Richard, Yes, I studied your well written guide before I decided what I wanted to do. The Hungarian and I could just not see eye-to-eye, and I was never that good with foreign languages --just a little Latin and Spanish;-) I read my code out loud in my head, and I could not get

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-07-02 Thread Ken Ray
On 7/2/05 4:59 PM, Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your replies on your various style and naming conventions. I have studied them all and have come up with a style I think will work for me. I have started writing my personal style guide which I have appended below.

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-23 Thread John Ridge
on 22/6/05 8:42 pm, Ken Ray wrote : Were you thinking of some formal [ANN]? I have no problem doing that; just wanted to know what you were thinking... ** Why not? It sounds like a potentially big issue that every scripter needs to know about, so [ANN] is appropriate. --

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Sivakatirswami
One is immediately struck by the larger implications of this microcosm of non-conflicting Rev tools and therefore the greater significance of establishing these conventions. blue sky dream A single, universal player ala Acrobat Reader, suddenly goes big time in terms of popularity The

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-06-22 Thread Dennis Brown
Thanks for the many replies about naming conventions. So to summarize: 1. The cryptic names are not really being pushed to make things unreadable, but as protection from the deficiencies of Rev. 2. The lack of a naming scope somewhere between local and global (such as namespace or the

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/22/05 1:50 AM, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understand the ECMI convention proposal correctly I should start using a double prefix as in: Company=HAP Himalayan Academy Publications # where do I go to register this officially with ECMI? e.g. 1 Main Stack Name=

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Sivakatirswami
Aloha, Ken: Yes HAP = Himalayan Academy Publications Always has... always will, carved in stone. So, thanks you.. enter it on the new registry. Thanks! Sivakatirswami On Jun 22, 2005, at 6:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote: On 6/22/05 1:50 AM, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-06-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Dennis- Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 9:40:09 AM, you wrote: DB aWell bThis cIs dVery eInterresting. fPerhaps gWe hCan iPropose DB jSomething kThat lMakes mA nBit oMore pSense qBy rAddressing sThe DB tReal uIssues vBetween wWhat xUsers yNeed zTo aDo, bAnd cWhat DB dTranscript eNeeds fTo gDo.

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Ken- Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 9:51:53 AM, you wrote: KR In fact, you should go over there and download the latest (Draft 004) KR specification so you can see how the globals/etc. are used. You'll see the It would be nice if the group weren't quite so private. Is there some reason why the

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread John Ridge
on 22/6/05 5:51 pm, Ken Ray wrote : Both you and Paul Looney have suggested that a registry start being kept... so if you want to email me with your company prefix (unless you're going to use HAP), I'll start setting up a document and posting it at the Rev Interop group

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/22/05 12:04 PM, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha, Ken: Yes HAP = Himalayan Academy Publications Always has... always will, carved in stone. So, thanks you.. enter it on the new registry. You got it! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site:

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/22/05 12:26 PM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken- Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 9:51:53 AM, you wrote: KR In fact, you should go over there and download the latest (Draft 004) KR specification so you can see how the globals/etc. are used. You'll see the It would be nice if the

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/22/05 2:33 PM, John Ridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting this, Ken - I was beginning, thanks to Katir amongst others, to see that there is a real problem here even for garage scripters (sorry, Dan - Inventive Users :-)), and wondered if this particular penny had dropped at

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-06-22 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/22/05 11:40 AM, Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the many replies about naming conventions. So to summarize: 1. The cryptic names are not really being pushed to make things unreadable, but as protection from the deficiencies of Rev. (etc.) I guess you could say

Re: Naming conventions [was: Food Fight]

2005-06-22 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ken Ray wrote: On 6/22/05 11:40 AM, Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the many replies about naming conventions. So to summarize: 1. The cryptic names are not really being pushed to make things unreadable, but as protection from the deficiencies of Rev. (etc.) I guess you

Re: Food Fight - Rev Name Space

2005-06-22 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Wieder wrote: Ken- Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 9:51:53 AM, you wrote: KR In fact, you should go over there and download the latest (Draft 004) KR specification so you can see how the globals/etc. are used. You'll see the It would be nice if the group weren't quite so private. Is there some

Re: Food Fight - video

2005-06-22 Thread Erik Hansen
--- Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Erik Hansen wrote: --- Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wish some of it had been tossed my way. i just wish you had had a second roving camera. next time ask me! Sounds like a

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Perry
That's 'cause you weren't in the direct flight path! (not that I'm unsympathetic to anti_Hungarian-Lite). Judy On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Mark Talluto wrote: I just wish some of it had been tossed my way. :) ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dennis Brown wrote: Dar, Thank you for standing up for the rights (in a good natured way) of those who think it's overkill to have all these structured names in a conversational language with handlers that are usually only a few lines long. Why mar the elegance of a understandable name

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Cragg
On 20 Jun 2005, at 21:06, Dennis Brown wrote: Dar, Thank you for standing up for the rights (in a good natured way) of those who think it's overkill to have all these structured names in a conversational language with handlers that are usually only a few lines long. Why mar the

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-21 Thread Jon
Richard Gaskin wrote: At present there are more dozens of prolific tool authors for the Rev community, and the number grows every month. There are a handful of issues with the development and deployment of tools that are common to all, and by choosing to adopt a few fully-optional rules

Re: Food Fight - video

2005-06-21 Thread Erik Hansen
--- Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wish some of it had been tossed my way. i just wish you had had a second roving camera. next time ask me! Erik Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of

Re: Food Fight - video

2005-06-21 Thread Mark Talluto
On Jun 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Erik Hansen wrote: --- Mark Talluto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wish some of it had been tossed my way. i just wish you had had a second roving camera. next time ask me! Sounds like a great idea Erik. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software

Food Fight

2005-06-20 Thread Dar Scott
On Jun 19, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Erik Hansen wrote: the heated emotions over scripting conventions, literally involving a food fight, Yes, for the record let it be known that none other than the otherwise-mild-mannered Dar Scott threw food at Ken and I during our

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-20 Thread Dennis Brown
wheel, if some else has already done the spoked bicycle wheel. Dennis On Jun 20, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Erik Hansen wrote: the heated emotions over scripting conventions, literally involving a food fight, Yes, for the record

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 6/20/05 1:39 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I had to applaud and I almost regretted buying all that throwable food at the corner market. Almost. For myself, the food fight was a highlight of the conference. Enlisting Andre's throwing arm was a good move, and my only regret was that the speakers

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-20 Thread Phil Davis
Hi Dennis, Dennis Brown wrote: Dar, Thank you for standing up for the rights (in a good natured way) of those who think it's overkill to have all these structured names in a conversational language with handlers that are usually only a few lines long. Why mar the elegance of a

Re: Food Fight -- suffixes!

2005-06-20 Thread Erik Hansen
--- Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dar, Thank you for standing up for the rights (in a good natured way) of those who think it's overkill to have all these structured names in a conversational language with handlers that are usually only a few lines long. Why mar the elegance

Re: Food Fight -- suffixes!

2005-06-20 Thread Jon
Erik Hansen wrote: OK, how about a cryptic unpronounceable suffix? i started putting CB after all check box buttons and RB after all radio buttons. this helps when doing a Find on all open stacks. I always give things names like CloseButton or ModeRG (radio group) or B9600RB (9600 baud

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-20 Thread Dar Scott
On Jun 20, 2005, at 3:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I had to applaud and I almost regretted buying all that throwable food at the corner market. Almost. For myself, the food fight was a highlight of the conference. Enlisting Andre's throwing arm was a good move, and my only regret

Re: Food Fight

2005-06-20 Thread Mark Talluto
On Jun 20, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Dar Scott wrote: See that we. You might suspect there was a conspiracy. You might even wonder who actually threw food. The dynamics of these underground organizations can get quite complicated. I just wish some of it had been tossed my way. :) Mark