Re: Keyboards

2010-11-01 Thread Mike Kerner
Final note on this thread before I put it down to the archives and posterity for the next person looking for a kb. I got a Das Keyboard Silent Ultimate on Friday. It's mechanical, but it eliminates the click portion of the sound that an M style mechanical keyboard makes. Instead you hear the

Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Richmond
I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems to combine

Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Sarah Reichelt
the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems to combine the functions of the RETURN and the ENTER keys

Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Richmond
, Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should

Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: I want to have an end-user press the ENTER key, and NOT the RETURN key; and that is all well and jolly on most PC/Mac keyboards. BUT, on laptops this seems a no-no as there is no numeric keypad to the right of the qwerty/azerty part, and what should be the RETURN key seems

Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Peter W A Wood
Richmond Thanks, but what is a Fn button? It's the bottom left key in the picture at http://gamoe.net/imagebank/NewMacBookKeyboard.jpg. There are both return and enter keys on my MacBookPro. Regards Peter___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Mike Kerner
I've ordered one keyboard to test, because I haven't liked anything that I've felt in any of the local stores. I also have another that I want to try because it looks like it's probably very cool. Anyway, the main point here was this: I've been researching keyboards for about a month. I am

Re: Bl**dy Laptop Keyboards

2010-10-27 Thread Richmond
On 10/27/2010 04:16 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: Richmond Thanks, but what is a Fn button? It's the bottom left key in the picture at http://gamoe.net/imagebank/NewMacBookKeyboard.jpg. There are both return and enter keys on my MacBookPro. Thanks, BUT . . . not many laptops have both return

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-26 Thread Jim Kanter
Once I got used to it I quite like the flat aluminum Mac keyboards and bought several corded ones for home and office. The Kinesis board takes a lot of getting used to but is great if you're keying all day. http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ The original IBM keyboards are love/hate in terms of feel. I

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-25 Thread Alejandro Tejada
brand of Laptop or Netbook with a keyboard as good or better than Thinkpad's? Notice that i have tested Sony Vaio, Apple MacBook, Toshiba and Acer, but i do not like their keyboards. Thanks in advance. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-25 Thread Paul Looney
Al, For what it is worth, I don't like any of those keyboards, either. When I travel with my laptop I carry a Mac Mini Pro keyboard that I got from Fentek years ago. I'd recommend it but I went to their site and they no longer carry it. What I like about it is that it is compact, light

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? -- View

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-23 Thread Colin Holgate
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines? The keys are marked for normal, fn, and shift already. Marking them for option and

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-23 Thread william humphrey
I swear by my Kinesis keyboard. I have it mapped dvorak but it can use the antiquated qwerty method too. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that? I guess you have to read the Human Interface

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Brigham MD
. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to have it be alt + 3 unmarked

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-23 Thread Colin Holgate
On Oct 23, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: Presumably they wanted to have the pound sterling symbol more naturally available, so they swapped the sterling and the # mappings -- option-3 vs shift-3. It would have made more sense for them to have mapped the sterling symbol to

Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Kerner
, and will put up with the abuse. I WANT to like the Apple-branded keyboards, but my first impression is that I don't like the chicklets on the wireless version, and I think I want a full 105 key keyboard. I've been to Best Buy but I haven't found one that feels good under my fingers. Suggestions

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread stephen barncard
HI, Mike, There are actually two models, the full size USB 105 key version with num keypad, and the wireless, smaller version. if you haven't tried one of the 'newer' mac keyboards, they're not as impractical and non-tactile as they look. They take a little getting used

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Peter Alcibiades
, people also like a lot. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Keyboards-tp3007302p3007583.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Leland Vandervort
I use the apple corded keyboard at work, and for home I use the wireless short version (without the numeric keypad)... It took me a few days to get used to the one at home, but now I'm equally comfortable on both. At least now I don't have to tote my keyboard around with me along with my Mbpro.

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Colin Holgate
I ordered a few items the other day, one of which is the shorter wireless keyboard. I'm expecting to get on with it ok, because I full time use a MacBook Pro keyboard, which is more or less the same set of keys. I also ordered a Magic Trackpad. Will be interesting to see how that goes.

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
I really like the Logitech ones. The only real advice I can give you is when it comes to keyboards, cheap refers to both price AND quality, and hence longevity. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well, the possibility of being able to use RR...ERR LC to develop iOS apps

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well, the possibility

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Peter Alcibiades
I have to say, reluctantly, not being an admirer of Apple or its works, that the latest keyboards, if that's the sort of thing you want, basically do not have any competition. I was using the aluminum usb full one, really came to like it, apart from the irritating keycaps. It is virtually

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
I wonder if they sell a UK keyboard. For me, the # is shift-3, where it's always been for US keyboards. The @ is shift-2, again where it's always been. is shift-' again... well you get the idea. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Paul Looney
more comfortable. If you are considering an M: 1. Don't let the price scare you. If you use a keyboard daily the lack of pain will pay for the M shortly - I type a lot, I've had two bouts of carpal tunnel trauma with prior keyboards - expensive and not much fun. The M will out-last several

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Colin Holgate
On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3. ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Kerner
irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one is half bald. The S

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Richmond
On 10/22/2010 10:18 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The real irritation about the Apple keyboards is the keys. Where, you ask yourself is the # key? Any Apple keyboard I look at seems to have the # as shift 3. Transatlantic problem! British

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Colin Holgate
On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Richmond wrote: Transatlantic problem! British Apple Keyboards have the Sterling sign at shift 3; # is there at Alt 3. And the US one uses option-3 for £. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Kerner
Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:37, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Mike Bonner
keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one is half bald. The S went first, followed eventually by most of the keys of the left side. I later found out this was a problem with certain

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Richmond
On 10/22/2010 11:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... Hey, come over here and try typing on any one of the 3 keyboards I have on my desk that feature Latin-Arabic, Latin-Cyrillic and Latin-Phonetic Cyrillic and try typing using one

RE: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: Mike Kerner Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... It's fun to swap the N and M key on someone's keyboard, and see how long before they get confused. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/22/10 3:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... Until the little bumps on the J and F keys wear off, which is probably next. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software |

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 10/22/10 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I should also mention that I have never seen anyone wear the letters off the Apple keyboards. At least not the external ones. I have on other keyboards. Again, don't go cheap and you should be fine with anything. I did. My old one

Re: Keyboards

2010-10-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
Actually he's looking around about now for the institution that is missing a bunch of inmates. Bob On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/22/10 3:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: Well if you can type you shouldn't be looking at the keys anyway... Until the little bumps on the

Clacking Keyboards

2008-11-21 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I have just uploaded to revOnline a really goofy little stack called CLACKER.rev ( find it under Richmond ). It just traps rawKeyDowns However: It only works when it is frontmost It won't 'Clack' when I type in a text editor It gets in the way of the normal key-commands HELP NEEDED! :)

Re: Clacking Keyboards

2008-11-21 Thread Mikey
Just hit your keys harder. Also, I've found that crouton crumbs work. Always there to help. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God

Re: Foreign Keyboards

2008-08-19 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Ron, I am able to use Arabic input methods, but it takes a little hack to make the text go from right to left. I would expect it to be possible to enter Japanese characters in Revolution. What happens if you click in a field first and then use the mouse to choose a Japanese input

Re: Foreign Keyboards

2008-08-19 Thread ron barber
Hi Mark,Thanks for the reply. I am able to input Japanese with no problems using english keyboards. The problem is that the Japanese keyboard on Windows has a slightly different layout and some of the keys do not do what they are supposed to do. I am wondering if there is anyone who uses

Re: Foreign Keyboards

2008-08-19 Thread Devin Asay
On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:19 AM, ron barber wrote: PS could you write me (offlist?) about the little hack you use for right to left Arabic? I would like to try it for Hebrew. Thanks Or maybe even on-list? :-) I'd be very interested. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support

Re: Foreign Keyboards

2008-08-19 Thread Kenji Kojima
with no problems using english keyboards. The problem is that the Japanese keyboard on Windows has a slightly different layout and some of the keys do not do what they are supposed to do. I am wondering if there is anyone who uses a Japanese keyboard with success in Windows? Thanks Ron PS could you

Re: Foreign Keyboards

2008-08-19 Thread Nicolas Cueto
What Kenji advises (set field to Japanese Unicode font) works on my set up -- Japanese Win2K, Japanese keyboard, Rev 2.9. By work I mean the inputting not only of Japanese characters but also of non-alpha-numeric characters, especially shift-key chars for punctuation, quote marks, brackets, etc.

Foreign Keyboards

2008-08-18 Thread ron barber
Hi, I am unable to use a Japanese keyboard on a Windows machine so I am wondering if there is anyone else using some kind of localized keyboard on Windows with success. Specifically, the Japanese keyboard has keys that change the input method but with RR they only produce an 'a' or chartonum 65

Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]

2006-11-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
keyboards, which keyboards do not support [ or ] as a single keystroke? 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? TIA - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth

Re: Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]

2006-11-10 Thread Dave Cragg
On 10 Nov 2006, at 22:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? Try here

Re: Non-US keyboards: Cmd-{ and Cmd-]

2006-11-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dave Cragg wrote: On 10 Nov 2006, at 22:47, Richard Gaskin wrote: 2. Anyone know of a site where I can see images or a table of keyboard layouts for multiple languages? Any other way to better understand the keys available for our international users? Try here