Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-21 Thread Richard Miller
I've not been following this conversation, so this answer may not fit the bill. But I regularly use ffmpeg from within Rev to convert from various formats to Flash. It's a very versatile and free program. Maybe there's a solution in there for this issue. Richard Miller

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-20 Thread Andres Martinez
Hello Mark The process can be automated but it would take too much effort. Let me enumerate the steps I took to simplify it... 1- Register and download the File Format Specification form Adobe (when I did, I agreed not to share it, sorry) 2- Take a look at the document to understand the

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-20 Thread Mark Schonewille
Thanks, Andreas. Unfortunately, I think that the requirement to have Director available makes this method unfeasible. I am not familiar with the Flash format. What is the byte level and how do I find it? Or is that clearly described in the File Format specification? Do you think there

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-20 Thread Jim Ault
Mark, Do you think there would be a possibility to do this without Director? You will find utilities that convert to SWF (like Video2SWF, SWFFork, png2swf) that may do what you want. I think what Andreas is describing could also be done by using the 'binary write' capability of Rev that can

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-20 Thread Andres Martinez
Hello Mark Unfortunately Director does not export SWF files anymore, therefore it is necessary to use Flash (the development environment which is actually very similar to Director). Yes, the description of how the SWF file is conformed (even at bit level) is within the File Format

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-20 Thread Chipp Walters
Andreas, I'm not so sure creating a SWF file from Rev is as difficult as all that. Perhaps it may be. In any case, on Wikipedia it says about SWF, Although a full specification of SWF is available, it is not an open format, as implementing software that plays the format is disallowed by the

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-18 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Andres, Please share. It would be especially interesting if we could automate the process. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-18 Thread Ken Ray
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:46:58 -0400, Andres Martinez wrote: This email is to tell you that I was able to do it : ). Unfortunately is not a technology but a technique and there are a lot of limitations on the elements that you can export, so if any of you is ever interested I can share the

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-17 Thread Andres Martinez
Hello I made the question about how to generate Flash animations with Revolution a few days ago, and that email opened a Pandora's box. I don't want to touch that subject again. This email is to tell you that I was able to do it : ). Unfortunately is not a technology but a technique and

[OT] Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Luis
Hiya, Content aside, that's one of the best written texts I've seen in a long while. If this comes naturally to you, that's a gift. If you've worked at it, the craftsmanship shows. This is written regardless of personal opinion (that's should not be taken to imply anything). Cheers,

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Derek Bump
Richard, I agree with Luis, very well written! Regarding a compelling must-have business case to give you, well, there are a LOT of talented programmers in this forum and I'd hate to miss out on a good idea (if you catch my drift). So, a simple question: Why should Runtime Revolution build a

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Stephen Barncard
Brilliant paper, Andre! Since you are fast becoming one of the leading authorities on connecting things Rev and the Web, shouldn't it be you, Andre, that does what Jerry Daniels and Chipp Walters have done: Made a product so important, unique and compelling that Revolution, Inc. would have

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Andre Garzia
Hello Friends, Again we touch the topic of revolution, plugins, flash and the web. This topic always appear, not because we're stubborn but because it is hot and current. I'll not repeat all things the other mails said but will try to propose a simple solution that can be attained now with the

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Thank you Derek and Luis for the very kind words. Derek Bump wrote: Why should a company choose to program in Revolution when they can use technologies that already work within a web browser? Same reason they would choose RealBASIC or XCode or Visual Studio: they need to make desktop apps.

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Mikey
I agree with Ken, but for a different reason, unless I slept partway through his post. Ajax, AIR, Flash. All are ways to make rich internet apps, and all are being accepted as reasonable ways and standards. So, if RR was going to develop a way to move apps to the web, I would argue that it is

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Andres Martinez
Hello again I have made some research and progress towards the export to flash SWF files. However I got stuck into the creation of the file where it is needed to have bit level access and editing capabilities. The simple question is Within Revolution how can I edit a string of

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Luis
What about a Rev cgi running the Rev web UI? It shouldn't need translation to JavaScript. And the Rev web UI: From what I've seen the cards are XML. I've given some time to try to translate these but didn't bother after a while. Cheers, Luis. Andre Garzia wrote: Hello Friends, Again we

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Luis
Oops, forgot to mention this link: http://blog.reindel.com/2007/10/11/adobe-air-answers-a-question-that-nobody-is-asking/ Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Luis
Pleasure. Had to be said. I think most of this might stem from hopeful developers, especially newbies looking at the Rev platform and its deployment capabilities, hoping that it will also go that extra step. Something like my gripe with audio (have to drag that back up again...): I saw its

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Luis wrote: Something like my gripe with audio (have to drag that back up again...): I saw its audio capabilities but didn't check it out fully, so I got stuck halfway and then gave it up. It seems like such a small step, yet it's not there. I have my own issues with audio in Rev. What were

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Luis
The frequency controls are dire and there is no way to control the balance. I thought the QT external would help, and it does cover he balance aspect, but not the frequency: He's actually posted up a bug report for this. I was going to call an external application to do this or mess around

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-12 Thread Kay C Lan
On 10/13/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the question is not necessarily limited to Can we have a browser plugin for Rev? Maybe a better question would be to step back and look at the bigger picture, asking, How can Rev contribute to my web development? That reminds me.

Revolution = Flash

2007-10-11 Thread Andres Martinez
Hello When you create a Flash animation in Director, let's say a bouncy ball, the generated file is very small because it is not created frame by frame but instead (the same way as Revolution does) is has layers of graphics and small code about position (and other info) for each graphic

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-11 Thread Derek Bump
I feel that instead of trying to convert Revolution into other things like Flash, PDF, SVG and other technologies, that it would instead be a better idea to try to expand the usability of Revolution on the Web. AKA: A Browser Plugin or Extension for displaying Revolution content within Internet

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-11 Thread Derek Bump
Ken, I understand exactly what you are saying, and I do agree that advancing any product into another arena can be expensive, time consuming, and may ultimately fail. But at the same time I feel that today's market is very web-centric, and not having a plugin or control is a missed opportunity

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-11 Thread Ken Ray
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:33:41 -0500, Derek Bump wrote: I feel that instead of trying to convert Revolution into other things like Flash, PDF, SVG and other technologies, that it would instead be a better idea to try to expand the usability of Revolution on the Web. AKA: A Browser Plugin or

Re: Revolution = Flash

2007-10-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ken's post raised the question of the cost/benefit ratio of developing a Rev plugin, and while it touched on many of the highlights on the cost side it didn't address much of the benefit side. I can't really call that an omission from his post, as I don't believe there are many, if any at