At 4:44 PM -0500 4/12/2006, Chipp Walters wrote:
Sorry Jim, but I have to disagree with you here. I *used* to think
the same. But, after I worked with Rev and their RevSelect program,
I started seeing sales of Altuit products from names *never*
mentioned on this list-- and lots of 'em! In fact
Using common words as product names has a real downside in a search-driven
Internet-based world. Windows? Vista? Apple?
xTalk turns up 212,000 hits; of the firs ten, three seem relevant. But the
term is used for lots of stuff I never heard of.
On 4/11/06, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, we could name our list 'cross-talk' instead of xTalk :-))
It is also not a good idea to make a clever variation on the spelling, since
searchers don't remember those very well. Tons of hits and you are not
there.
Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On 4/12/06 12:18 AM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Branding is not an issue for the language of Rev because almost all of the
users are on this list - change the name and several people have to do a
search/replace for the name on a few documents. Developers starting to use
Rev are doing so because somebody on this list told them about it. The
Jim Carwardine wrote:
Branding is not an issue for the language of Rev because almost all of the
users are on this list - change the name and several people have to do a
search/replace for the name on a few documents.
With some name changes that might be the case, but the unique challenge
Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All that said, looking back, I've found these type of decisions were
made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help of trusted advisors. At
Human Code we had a board of directors, which met each quarter and
frequently offered different and valuable advice
Roger.E.Eller wrote:
Chipp Walters chipp at chipp.com wrote:
All that said, looking back, I've found these type of decisions were
made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help of trusted advisors. At
Human Code we had a board of directors, which met each quarter and
frequently offered different
on right now), the Dreamcard name had to go because of
a trademark issue.
Kind regards,
Kevin
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in place.
All other considerations, pros and cons aside (which unfortunately I don't
have time to comment on right now), the Dreamcard name had to go because of
a trademark issue.
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It almost sounds like RevConWest...
Almost.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, how do you know that your participating
end-users are not hand-picked to ensure a certain outcome?
Not that I'm accusing you of doing that, but I participated in an external
evaluator session for our first online
Media's really not all that bad as a name...
Judy
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim Ault wrote:
Hmmm, DreamRev ?
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On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
Sounds like a good idea!
Hi Judy, its ready to go! :-)
Empty now but ready to be filled. Just register and log in.
A Marketing Your Products forum - Share your experiences and
ideas on how
to market your Revolution made products.
Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, we could name our list 'cross-talk' instead of xTalk :-))
Didn't Lynn just try to quell any cross talk on this list? :-)
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On 12 Apr, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:
Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, we could name our list
Jim Carwardine wrote:
Branding is not an issue for the language of Rev because almost all of the
users are on this list - change the name and several people have to do a
search/replace for the name on a few documents.
Sorry Jim, but I have to disagree with you here. I *used* to think the
Generalizing can be dangerous and I certainly over generalized. I also
forgot about the Rev/Metacard relationship, having never been a Metacard
user. Conclusion - Rev is more mature than I initially indicated and
certainly branded beyond the confines of this list. I suspect, however,
that there
Judy.
I had to laugh out loud reading your post. Not because the issue is funny,
but I had a picture in my head of you yanking out hair by the fistfuls!
I agree with your basic point. It seems clear to me that RR has a branding
issue. I think they think they have solved it now. But there's a
Dan wrote:
I agree with your basic point. It seems clear to me that RR has a branding
issue. I think they think they have solved it now. But there's a lot of
consternation about changing the name of the language to be the same as the
product and I keep waffling on that one.
IT will be nice when
For the 2 cents it's worth:
I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not to
mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in place.
Most good marketing folks will tell you it takes a lot of very strong
arguments to consider changing a brand. And changing
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This opinion is offered in the spirit of helpfullness, not to
be derogatory towards RR and their executive management.
Frankly, there's a lot going on that's really great there.
Its hard to find fault with your opinion here :-)
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Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of
flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts
for a scenario that never happened?
It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple,
Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research
departments are
For the 2 cents it's worth:
I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not
to mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in
place.
Yes, indeed, to add 2 more cents. The name was and is really great.
Unfortunately, as the product it suffered from not
Sounds like a good idea!
Judy
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
A reputation for being flighty seems a far more serious
branding issue than merely following an established trend
among many major successful companies.
Id be happy to set up a marketing forum to discuss pro's and
regards,
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Some stats from Google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 395,000,000 for revolution
The first relevant link was the runrev homepage (14th) The most
prominent links (and text ads) had to do with heartworm medicine for
you pets. Also note that the next generation Nintendo game station
is also
Good detective work there Todd. And to tell the truth, I think the same
way. Turns out the term 'revScript' has only about 50 hits...h.
-Chipp
Todd Higgins wrote:
Some stats from Google:
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Well, Dan (et al.),
I suppose that I personally don't give a flying flaming figurative fig's
whatever body-part who calls what what, but...
It really would be nice if RunRev could pick a few names and STICK WITH
THEM!!!
I mean, honest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] every term I teach the course, I don't
I started calling it Ringy Dingy Park. That way, whatever telephone/telco
conglomerate owns it, I'm right.
:-)
Dan
On 4/8/06, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stephen-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 5:09:14 PM, you wrote:
Kinda like I can't say SBC park. I always call it PacBell park.
Lynn
What is the thinking behind this? I am a little put off by the
change. Hypercard had hypertalk, supercard had supertalk, director
had lingo and Revolution had Transcript. I love the name transcript.
My initial reaction was the same, but after sleeping on this, I
concluded that the
Robert,
I guess I'm just resistant to change because I'm still not that happy
about it. But after a nights sleep I am more willing to see how it
plays out for the long road. There are a lot of changes happening
lately so I assume they have a plan and are sticking to it. I guess
that's
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(Snip)
Meander thru the book store, look at the shelves and see the impact those
names have... a variety of reactions, I would imagine. The C++ primer as
thick as your arm.
Now imagine Revolution snuggled
Mark-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 7:32:05 PM, you wrote:
No, Candlestick was re-christened Monster Park a couple of years ago,
and the 49er's still play there. The Giants play at PacBell, aka SCC,
aka ATT, aka ETC ETC ETC Park.
I know, but those old habits... Candlestick had some class. I've
Lynn-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 10:04:03 PM, you wrote:
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 3:03:13 PM, you wrote:
!!! -- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name
if you think
...it would probably just remind me of has-been bivalves...
Painful, Mark, that certainly was ;-)
Sorry... I
Mark,
I still find
myself calling it Candlestick...
Still?
What do you call that older ballpark down the peninsula?
:{`)
Rob
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You know, I reacted a bit negatively at first as well. Overnight, I began to
think about it a bit more (I clearly need to get out more.)
Visual Basic is the name of the IDE and the language. Same with RealBASIC.
Then there's Borland's Delphi, which is a development environment for Object
Pascal.
Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :)
Lynn Fredricks
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Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :)
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Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :)
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The language is now Revolution.
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Lynn-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 8:18:17 AM, you wrote:
Is Transcript now called Revolution as well or was it just a
simplification for the press?
The language is now Revolution.
!!!
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The language is now Revolution.
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not to be
completely confused by this name change.
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The language is now Revolution.
!!! -- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name if you think
about it :-)
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if we decided to change the
name a year from now. Name changes can be rough, but, almost anyone who
would recognize transcript is engaged enough in the community not to be
completely confused by this name change.
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On 4/8/06 5:09 PM, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Funny about things like that, though. Think about Dan and other
writers who have written about the language that are going to have to
decide to replace all references in works published...
or steadfastly still use the term
Stephen-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 5:09:14 PM, you wrote:
Kinda like I can't say SBC park. I always call it PacBell park.
You're in luck. It's ATT park or something these days. I still find
myself calling it Candlestick...
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Lynn-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 3:03:13 PM, you wrote:
!!! -- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name if you think
...it would probably just remind me of has-been bivalves...
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On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Kinda like I can't say SBC park. I always call it PacBell park.
You're in luck. It's ATT park or something these days. I still find
myself calling it Candlestick...
No, Candlestick was re-christened Monster Park a couple of years ago,
and
would actually be a pretty cool name if you think
about it :-)
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Saturday, April 8, 2006, 3:03:13 PM, you wrote:
!!! -- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name
if you think
...it would probably just remind me of has-been bivalves...
Painful, Mark, that certainly was ;-)
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April 8, 2006. Edinburgh, Scotland. Runtime Revolution Ltd, the leader in
multi-platform rich media and application development tools, announces the
release of Revolution Media. In addition, Runtime
) and is a programmable keypad.
I spent last night setting up a series of settings for
Runtime Revolution. I worked this morning on some RR stuff
and the whole experience was both considerably more
comfortable and a bit faster than working with a regular
keyboard.
[AND, if you are wondering - NO, I
Mathewson-
Tuesday, February 7, 2006, 4:51:03 AM, you wrote:
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Now you've done it...
Belkin online price $39.99 Due to the overwhelming popularity of this
product, we are temporarily out of
of real-world devices directly from Runtime Revolution
under MacOS X.
SERVICE USB plus is a proven, robust control technology in professional
implementations for industry, tradeshows and entertainment. With this
release, it can be used, for example, to drive special effects such as
flashes or fog
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USB plus² control device, enabling measurement
and control of real-world devices directly from Runtime Revolution
under MacOS X.
Congratulations, RunRev! This is a great addition to our current Revolution
development capabilities!
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http
IS IT POSSIBLE that activity on this list made this happen??? At
least two of us here (myself included) made a request for Rev
compatibility for this directly to BK.
and control of real-world devices directly from Runtime Revolution
under MacOS X.
We've been aware of this product
Congrats Rev! I think things like this are really important as it leads
to new opportunities.
@Stephen:
I just downloaded the Software. It looks like an external. Now I know
what I want for Christmas.
All the best,
Malte
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??? At
least two of us here (myself included) made a request for Rev
compatibility for this directly to BK.
and control of real-world devices directly from Runtime Revolution
under MacOS X.
We've been aware of this product for a while.
What is not explained is -- does one have to still use
measurement
and control of real-world devices directly from Runtime Revolution under
MacOS X.
Most excellent -- congrats to you and the others at RunRev, and the good
folks at BK.
And to think all this time we thought you were just sitting around at
the beach drinking Mai Tais...
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CodeWarrior
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Software
You can use SERVICE USB plus with the following programs:
Runtime Revolution (via external)
RealBasic (via plug in)
AppleScript (via OSAX)
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Xcode C/C++,Cocoa,Java (via Framework)
Hypercard (only OS9 via
right, but there are several components to the software, extensions
at the system level. What I'm interested in is the 'last mile' --
direct integration to Rev (in real-time control apps, latency is a
drag - and I would fear that with the use of Applescript)
sqb
Congrats Rev! I think
It would seem that if it were officially offered by rev, that it
would cross-platform. B-K's previous position was that they were Mac-
only.
I for one have requested this as well.
I would like to know also about the Applescript versus straight to
driver approach. Cross platform
From the web-site:
``Revolution...
This contains a project exclusively for the SERVICE USB interface and
Runtime Revolution's Revolution. All input and output functions and a
stepping motor control example are implemented.''
And you can download the software from the same page.
On
who's site? URL, please!
From the web-site:
``Revolution...
This contains a project exclusively for the SERVICE USB interface
and Runtime Revolution's Revolution. All input and output functions
and a stepping motor control example are implemented.''
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'external' for Rev.
sqb
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Stephen-
Friday, December 9, 2005, 10:17:28 AM, you wrote:
What is not explained is -- does one have to still use Applescript to
make it work with rev, or did they actually make some XCMDs so Rev
can work directly? The word direcly above line would suggest that...
It's an external library.
It's beautiful. And I applaud their use of an IEC connector and
internal power supply as opposed to a wall wart.
I wish something like this had been around when I built AM studios
tape copy room in 1989. I had to make my own hardware, fueled by the
CY-500 serial chips.
It was a 'money is no
Stephen-
Friday, December 9, 2005, 4:03:43 PM, you wrote:
tape copy room in 1989. I had to make my own hardware, fueled by the
CY-500 serial chips.
Yep. I've done something similar with PIC chips. Sheesh.
http://barncard.com/amstudios/htdoc/Pages/TC.html
...so that's HC we're looking at on
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Hi,
I'm using Sybase. Does the direct connection mean the connection from
RunRev? Is there a way I can connect to Sybase directly from RunRev??
However, the unicode can be displayed correctly , together with ODBC,
through other SQL executing tool; JISQL. Do you think it's because of
JDBC help
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The only thing I can think of with regard to using ODBC is that this
may be a limitation of the ODBC driver? You should check any settings
the driver provides to see if there is something in there which may
affect this, and you should check the
On Apr 25, 2005, at 1:20 AM, Marisa K. wrote:
Hello Trevor,
Thank you so much for your reply.
I had tried on your suggestion(using cursors) but it didn't work with
me, still. While, English texts can be displayed just fine, Thai's
texts cannot.
Well, I connect to the database through ODBC. Do
Hello Trevor,
Thank you so much for your reply.
I had tried on your suggestion(using cursors) but it didn't work with
me, still. While, English texts can be displayed just fine, Thai's texts
cannot.
Well, I connect to the database through ODBC. Do you think this is where
the problem is?
Every
On Apr 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Marisa K. wrote:
Hi Trevor,
Thank you agian for your suggestion. You are right about the database
of UTF-8. :-)
However, I've tried on that, too, but the result is the same!!
I wrote script as:
on openCard
global tID
set the unicodeText of fld testDB to uniEncode(
Hello,
As previous trial, I still have a problem in displaying Spanish and
German speacial characters, i.e. inverted?, accented characters,
characters with umlaut, esset characters.
Although I converted both of the files to /.txt/ with /unicodeText/
property settings and using /binfile:/ ,
On Apr 19, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Marisa Kosaisaevee wrote:
Thank you so much for your information. I really appreciated.
I tried on that (binfile: )and it returns Chinese chararters instead
of Arabic!? So, I tried again for displaying Thai characters; /file is
.txt/. It works great!!!
Anyway, I
Hi,
I have a problem with menu bars:
If I use the following script in the Stack Script with the
preOpenStack message, I get problems, the memu bar does not seem to
get instansiated correct. If I use it in the Mouse Up Handler of a
button on the Stack, all works fine.
Hello,
I have the question about the unicode again. I want to query data from
database, which are unicode. I used the revDataFromQuery function to
query data from database. However, the result is . So, I tried
on setting unicodeText property, it turns out .
Also, I tried to save the
On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Marisa K. wrote:
I have the question about the unicode again. I want to query data from
database, which are unicode. I used the revDataFromQuery function to
query data from database. However, the result is . So, I
tried on setting unicodeText property, it
Hi Trevor,
Thank you agian for your suggestion. You are right about the database of
UTF-8. :-)
However, I've tried on that, too, but the result is the same!!
I wrote script as:
on openCard
global tID
set the unicodeText of fld testDB to uniEncode( revDataFromQuery (,
return, tID, SELECT
Hello,
I tried to display different languages in RunRev but it didn't work. I
use put command to display the content of the file;
on openCard
put URL file:arabic.rtf into fld Arabic
put URL file:chinese.rtf into fld Chinese
put URL file:german.txt into fld German
put URL
On Apr 19, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Marisa Kosaisaevee wrote:
I tried to display different languages in RunRev but it didn't work. I
use put command to display the content of the file;
on openCard
put URL file:arabic.rtf into fld Arabic
...
end openCard
However, all these files use just to see
Hi Trevor,
Thank you so much for your information. I really appreciated.
I tried on that (binfile: )and it returns Chinese chararters instead of
Arabic!? So, I tried again for displaying Thai characters; /file is
.txt/. It works great!!!
Anyway, I keep working on unicodeText and binfile with
Hi Franz,
Thank you so much for your reply.
Anyway, I tried the HTMLtext as you suggested. Still, it doesn't work.
It dispalys a mixed up charaters as my previous trials, while, the text
diplayed corretly in browser.
Then, I tried to import the Thai text file using put URL file:
I have a problem in displaying the data from query, content of UTF-8 (Thai)
I'd already tried every functions and properties to display unicode text
but the result is a mixed up characters (non-Thai). As the database used
the Unicode (UTF-8), it's said that I need convert them by uniEncode or
Marisa Kosaisaevee wrote:
I have a problem in displaying the data from query, content of UTF-8
(Thai)
I'd already tried every functions and properties to display unicode
text but the result is a mixed up characters (non-Thai). As the
database used the Unicode (UTF-8), it's said that I need
Hello Marisa
I tried runrev for greek and hebrew:
Wrote the text in winword or openoffice (greek, hebrew right to left, german
and mixed text)
and copied it into rr text field.
It was displayed correctly.
But:
Direct typing of hebrew (rr windows 2.2.1) right to left was not possible:
runrev
Just wondering...
Would it be helpful for RunRev (or someone who works outside of RunRev
but is approved by them) to offer an online Runtime Revolution training
course. Those who take the course, and make an A in it, would then be
officially accredited.
I can see benefits and disadvantages
:30 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
Just wondering...
Would it be helpful for RunRev (or someone who works outside of RunRev
but is approved by them) to offer an online Runtime Revolution training
course. Those who take the course, and make an A in it, would then be
officially accredited.
I can see
Hi Jonathan,
Just wondering...
Would it be helpful for RunRev (or someone who works outside of RunRev
but is approved by them) to offer an online Runtime Revolution training
course. Those who take the course, and make an A in it, would then be
officially accredited.
I can see benefits
Hi Klaus :-)
Hi Jonathan,
Just wondering...
Would it be helpful for RunRev (or someone who works outside of RunRev
but is approved by them) to offer an online Runtime Revolution
training
course. Those who take the course, and make an A in it, would then be
officially accredited.
I can see
On Jan 21, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
Just wondering...
Would it be helpful for RunRev (or someone who works outside of RunRev
but is approved by them) to offer an online Runtime Revolution training
course. Those who take the course, and make an A in it, would then be
officially
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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Should Runtime Revolution have an accreditation course?
Hi Jonathan,
Just wondering...
Would it be helpful for RunRev (or someone who
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