Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-17 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Sunday, September 17, 2006, 9:32:30 AM, you wrote: > Windows XP Pro. (If there's a way to have a console user AND an RDP user > under XP Pro, or multiple RDP users, please show me how.) ...I wish. Not without Citrix Metaframe. Otherwise I think Microsoft's licensing department would be hav

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-17 Thread Bill Marriott
Mark, Multiple simultaneous users is possible using terminal services under Windows Server 2003, but to the best of my knowledge, you can't do this on Windows XP Pro. (If there's a way to have a console user AND an RDP user under XP Pro, or multiple RDP users, please show me how.) If you're us

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-17 Thread Chipp Walters
Yep. LogMeIn is free. :-) On 9/17/06, Richard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chipp, Is there a reason you don't use GoToMyPC.com. I've found it to work perfectly on numerous PC's I control remotely. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@l

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-17 Thread Richard Miller
Chipp, Is there a reason you don't use GoToMyPC.com. I've found it to work perfectly on numerous PC's I control remotely. Richard On Sep 16, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 9/15/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, but... they're *not* rdp replacements, for the reas

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-16 Thread Mark Wieder
Chipp- Saturday, September 16, 2006, 3:46:48 AM, you wrote: > Hmmm. I'm not sure I follow you. I guess it is an issue of what you > want to use rdp for. I typically want to logon to a computer at home > or one of my servers. Both VNC and LogMeIn work well for that. I'm not > wanting to 'share a s

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-16 Thread Chipp Walters
On 9/15/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, but... they're *not* rdp replacements, for the reasons I've already mentioned. They're great at what they do, and the vnc protocol is completely cross-platform, but they don't allow for remote logins without running into the mousewar situat

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded -- vs. XP Media

2006-09-15 Thread Chipp Walters
AFAIK, nothing is special regarding robustness. On 9/14/06, Erik Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anything special about XP Media? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and ma

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder
chipp- Friday, September 15, 2006, 10:49:03 AM, you wrote: > Someone's already mentioned VNC, another one which I really like is > LogMeIn.com. Yes, but... they're *not* rdp replacements, for the reasons I've already mentioned. They're great at what they do, and the vnc protocol is completely cr

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-15 Thread chipp
Someone's already mentioned VNC, another one which I really like is LogMeIn.com. IMO, it rocks. On 9/14/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chipp- Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 1:04:31 PM, you wrote: > Unless you really need multiple workgroup domains or Desktop Remote > Access, (avai

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Thursday, September 14, 2006, 2:18:34 PM, you wrote: > You'll probably like VNC -- http://www.realvnc.com/ -- Which is a free > alternative to RDP. The main issue with VNC is that the free version does > not have encryption so it's not terribly secure. I use vnc (actually tightvnc) regular

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Judy Perry
Yup. Been there, done that. Judy On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Ian Wood wrote: > P.S. A notorious example of memory leaks on OS X is Safari - if you > leave your computer up for long periods of time Safari can easily hit > more than a GB of RAM after being open for a few days, even after you > close mos

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Bill Marriott
Mark, You'll probably like VNC -- http://www.realvnc.com/ -- Which is a free alternative to RDP. The main issue with VNC is that the free version does not have encryption so it's not terribly secure. Mark Wieder wrote > The only alternative I've seen > to rdp is Citrix Metaframe, and while it's

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Mark Wieder
Dar- Thursday, September 14, 2006, 10:52:03 AM, you wrote: > Which multiple workgroup domains or Remote Access? ah, sorry... the remote access part... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded -- vs. XP Media

2006-09-14 Thread Erik Hansen
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Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Dar Scott
On Sep 14, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Unless you really need multiple workgroup domains or Desktop Remote Access, (available in free 3rd party tools), you only need Home. Really? That's the main reason I advise folks to go with Pro instead of Home... Which multiple workgroup domai

RE: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Robert Sneidar
That strikes me as funny, because most people say in defense of Windows, after all their other reasons for devout loyalty to the platform have evaporated, that there are far more games for Windows and thus it is a much better gaming OS. For Lynn it's the exact opposite! Is nothing sacred an

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Peter T. Evensen
A memory leak is more often encountered in a traditional program where you do your own memory management. It happens if you allocate a chunk of memory and forget to free it when you are done. If you do that over and over, you get all these unused chunks of memory the computer still thinks you

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Peter T. Evensen
I've used an embedded XP machine (the Akimbo player). It let's you piece together the OS that you want to run on a dedicated piece of hardware.Since it is embedded on something, you know what drivers are needed, etc. You can throw out parts of the OS you know you won't need, and so get a

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Mark Wieder
Chipp- Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 1:04:31 PM, you wrote: > Unless you really need multiple workgroup domains or Desktop Remote > Access, (available in free 3rd party tools), you only need Home. Really? That's the main reason I advise folks to go with Pro instead of Home... Do you have links

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Stephen Barncard
Ian P.S. A notorious example of memory leaks on OS X is Safari - if you leave your computer up for long periods of time Safari can easily hit more than a GB of RAM after being open for a few days, even after you close most of the tabs and windows... And what's funny is that Safari has a deb

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Ian Wood
It might not be *your* program that's having problems. :-( I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to Windows, but leaving the Task Manager open so that you can see what resources different apps are using would probably be a good start. Then leave it all running and wait until there are pr

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Richard Miller
Ian, This sounds like a possible culprit for the problem in our application. Is there a way to find out what is causing this or to verify it is occurring? Any code that can be written in? Any specific places in the code to look for it? Again, what we are experiencing is the program boggin

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Ian Wood
Memory leaks are where a program grabs memory when needed, but doesn't release all of it afterwards. If the machine is up for a long time, even a minor memory leak can tie up all available RAM, bogging down the whole machine. Ian On 14 Sep 2006, at 10:23, Richard Miller wrote: Peter, Ca

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Richard Miller
Peter, Can you explain what you mean by a memory leak and how that effects stability? Thanks. Richard On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote: What type of instability are you seeing? If it is a memory leak, adding RAM will only delay the inevitable. From what I've seen, I

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Alex Shaw
Hi Richard I haven't tried these but I heard about & bookmarked them after I had manually tweaked my system.. http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html http://www.nliteos.com http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ Also last I checked there are a multitude of system tweaking apps out there for xp & other syste

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Mark Talluto
On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:44 PM Sep 13, 2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote: According to Wikipedia, embedded can do everything XP can: http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Embedded It's a version of XP designed for embedded applications. I think it is a bit more modular. Hi Peter, Thanks f

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Chipp Walters
Well, if the program is "Sound Jukebox" or "AOL", and I know it's not part of what I would typically use, then I delete it. If it's "NVidia Drivers" or "Sony Video Shared Libary" (and I'm on a Sony machine), then I'll keep it. If I don't know, I'll either keep it or Google it to find out if it's r

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Richard Miller
Chipp, I don't. I typically get rid of Norton or McAffee anti-virus, scanning, systemworks stuff. Just kill it all. Then I install the free version of AVG anti-virus which has always worked just great for me. I delete anything and everything which in not directly related to the control/performa

RE: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> On 9/13/06, Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the thing about Windows that I never could understand. > > Can you imagine how users would revolt if Apple came out > with 'Mac OS > > Tiger Lite"? > > I can't imagine Mac users ever revolting. Especially seeing > where they

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Peter T. Evensen
According to Wikipedia, embedded can do everything XP can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Embedded It's a version of XP designed for embedded applications. I think it is a bit more modular. At 04:19 PM 9/13/2006, you wrote: On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:56 PM Sep 13, 2006, Chipp Walter

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Mark Talluto
On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:56 PM Sep 13, 2006, Chipp Walters wrote: There should not be any robustness issues whatsover between XP home and Pro. Regarding your question, the answer is 'NO', unless you need to access multiple networked workgroups from your kiosk (I suggest not), you are fine with

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Chipp Walters
This is one feature where Mac has it all over PC's--all the crap that gets installed with each new PC is mostly just garbage. Some people reformat and reinstall from the included recovery disks sans garbage-ware. I don't. I typically get rid of Norton or McAffee anti-virus, scanning, systemworks

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Richard Miller
Thanks for the info (and to everyone else who has emailed on this so far). Question: how do you deal with all the various pieces of software that seem to be running on XP Home when one first gets it? Do you try to strip the system of extraneous components or just let it all be? Richard

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Chipp Walters
On 9/13/06, Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the thing about Windows that I never could understand. Can you imagine how users would revolt if Apple came out with 'Mac OS Tiger Lite"? I can't imagine Mac users ever revolting. Especially seeing where they have to pay for a new

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Chipp Walters
There should not be any robustness issues whatsover between XP home and Pro. Regarding your question, the answer is 'NO', unless you need to access multiple networked workgroups from your kiosk (I suggest not), you are fine with Win XP home. In fact, I use WinXP home both at home and at work-- nev

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Phil Davis
You mention the computer is a laptop. Have you set it up so the HD is never allowed to spin down into a 'sleep' state? If not, that will almost certainly cause a problem at some point. However if HD spin-down occurs, from within Rev (at least on XP Pro / Rev 2.6.1) you can 'get the detailed fi

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Peter T. Evensen
What type of instability are you seeing? If it is a memory leak, adding RAM will only delay the inevitable. From what I've seen, I don't think that Home vs Pro would make much difference. At 10:12 AM 9/13/2006, you wrote: Our Rev application is to be used on kiosks, so the software (which h

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Richard Miller
Yes, I've seen that page. The question is, what effect would any of that have on a fairly complex Rev application running around the clock? Richard Miller On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Phil Davis wrote: I just Googled 'xp home pro differences' and got a truckload of results. Here's a page o

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Phil Davis
I just Googled 'xp home pro differences' and got a truckload of results. Here's a page on the MS site that describes the differences: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx HTH - Phil Davis Ian Wood wrote: As far as I know it's mostly advanced networking options li

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Ian Wood
As far as I know it's mostly advanced networking options like workgroups and remote desktop stuff. Ian On 13 Sep 2006, at 17:02, Stephen Barncard wrote: What is taken out of XP Home that is in the 'professional' versions? ___ use-revolution maili

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Stephen Barncard
This is the thing about Windows that I never could understand. Can you imagine how users would revolt if Apple came out with 'Mac OS Tiger Lite"? By creating 'tiered' versions of their OS, aren't they just creating a big mess for consumers, not to mention a mess for themselves? What is taken

XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-13 Thread Richard Miller
Our Rev application is to be used on kiosks, so the software (which has a lot of moving parts to it) could be used continuously throughout a given day. We're currently testing it under XP Home and seeing some instability over the course of use. I'm starting to think most of these problems a