On 5/29/08 5:34 AM, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kay,
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:47 AM, william humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Saw your 'restrained' rant over on the Valentina site and just wish to pass
on my sympathy:-(
I too occasionally open up Valentina and just stumble
many times I have been wondering, why so many people know of Air, and
all these fresh new things about flash, Flex 3, Python, Java, MySQL,
SQLite, PHP, even Logo, etc... Those are babies of Adobe, Sun or not so
well known companies or even open source projects. And why do they
usually know
Bonjour William,
Le 28 mai 08 à 22:47, william humphrey a écrit :
1. A way to search what is there already (I'm so sick of scrolling
through
cryptic file names).
2. A field that comes up with a description of the file when you
mouse over
it (I am so sick of trying stacks when I don't
Hi JB,
Repeat for each has proven to be surprisingly fast, before. So, I
wouldn't be surprised if it beats the offset function, although I do
wonder why the offset function would be that slow.
Best,
Mark
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Hi list,
Please excuse the remark, but I'd like to share something I just noticed
and that surprised me a bit...
I have a file loaded into a variable, which is about 8 Mb and consists
in
about 4 lines of 3 items each (itemdel is tab).
I need to know which line contains a certain value as
I would be curious to know how the filter command works with your particular
data set. One of the speed difference factors I find is the exact
configuration of the data.
The filter command works fastest if the 'target' string in the first part of
a the line, and repeat for each seems to be much
Jim,
I would be curious to know how the filter command works with your particular
data set. One of the speed difference factors I find is the exact
configuration of the data.
The filter command works fastest if the 'target' string in the first part of
a the line, and repeat for each
Thanks -- I hadn't realized that the Rev search engine also searched the
online stack descriptions. I just tried it.
You click on the rev online icon and a pop-up allows you to choose rev
online. That certainly makes the rev online stacks much more of a resource.
I think that I will make a
I just tried to download Ken Ray's STSRevZilla from the rev online space and
it says invalid URL Oh well, off to the Sons of Thunder web site.
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Bonjour William,
Le 29 mai 08 à 15:59, william humphrey a écrit :
Thanks -- I hadn't realized that the Rev search engine also
searched the
online stack descriptions. I just tried it.
Actually I wrote the Rev search engine for Runrev.
You click on the rev online icon and a pop-up allows
You have a point. Perhaps that is the new job of http://www.mirye.com/ --- I
hope so.
? Doesn't Run Rev Ltd do press releases on its products and upgrades ? Maybe
those press releases are somehow limited... Printed words still have a big
weight in this Internet age, maybe because people tend to
I believe you might say the same for SuperCard. Kind of! My personal
feeling is that when Rev was first released as MetaCard, perhaps as
something else - my memory fails me, we had all become accustomed to
HC - free for all to use; and we resented that someone was trying to
get rich on
Joe,
I agree with the initial reaction to Supercard when Hypercard was
free. However SC had so much to offer with multiple windows and Color
etc. and HC was not being well supported by Apple at that time (the
beginning of the end it felt like) that I felt I needed to purchase
SC. Then
Dear fellow Revolution developers,
As some of you know I work with a couple of companies as a full time
consultant and software designer and developer. One company I work
with is looking for a full time Revolution developer for work in the
Pittsburgh, PA area. They have not finalized this
jbv wrote:
actually I guess that lineoffset and filter, once compiled, use rather
complex routines, while repeat for each line remains much closer to raw
and efficient C code...
Yes, that's my understanding, at least for the filter command which
drops into a rather complex regex subsystem, so
Dear Fellow Rev users,
I am So close to finishing the iTunes Library Suite libITS and
releasing it for free to my fellow Revolution users. I have two minor
functions to complete and one major one.
I feel that this one function is critical to the release and need a
bit of help
Surprisingly, this takes only 106 ms !!!
If anyone asked me beforehand, I would have sweared that a built-in Rev
function would run faster than a bunch of transcript lines of code...
BTW, a very good set of script performance tips by Wil Djykstra are located
here:
Increasing Script
many times I have been wondering, why so many people know of
Air, and all these fresh new things about flash, Flex 3,
Python, Java, MySQL, SQLite, PHP, even Logo, etc... Those are
babies of Adobe, Sun or not so well known companies or even
open source projects. And why do they usually
On 5/29/08 9:01 AM, william humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just tried to download Ken Ray's STSRevZilla from the rev online space and
it says invalid URL Oh well, off to the Sons of Thunder web site.
Just FYI, that must have been a glitch in RevOnline (there have been some
access
Thomas,
For the most part, I agree with your sympathies and, were I a full-
time developer, probably even more so. I, too, purchased SC, but
didn't find that it really offered me things I couldn't get from HC -
at that time - with a little more effort; something I really enjoyed.
Hey, I
Richard,
I don't understand why lineoffset is slower, however, and have submitted
a request to have it reviewed for potential optimization:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6504
I'm wondering if lineoffset could get slower when the wholematches are set to
false...
I might
I really, really wish they'd stop changing the name of things! If
Runtime Revolution want to be well-known, they've GOT to keep just
one name. First the language was Transcript; now it's Revolution.
Is the programming environment made by Runtime Revolution or Mirye?
I realize that
I believe you might say the same for SuperCard. Kind of! My
personal feeling is that when Rev was first released as
MetaCard, perhaps as something else - my memory fails me, we
had all become accustomed to HC - free for all to use; and we
resented that someone was trying to get rich on
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I have not catch here. You mean that you can understand how to use REV with
SQL lite and mySQL, but cannot catch how to use it with Valentina ??
Man, I thought I'd slip past your gaze, but impossible - your amazing
Ken Ray wrote:
BTW, a very good set of script performance tips by Wil Djykstra are located
here:
Increasing Script Performance, Parts I-III:
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/scrp005.htm
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/scrp006.htm
Joe,
Your welcome. I never wrote any externals (I was close a couple of
times) but I had to laugh at your comment about being up to your eye-
brows in your own HC externals.
Truth be told, my company bought the Viao for me and other than cross-
platform development I don't use it much for
Is the programming environment made by Runtime Revolution or Mirye?
I realize that Mirye is a marketing group, but this is really
confusing for somebody who might be taking a look at RR for the first
time:
From Mirye's web site:
Mirye Software, publishers of the cross-platform
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that issue
a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a real
programming language. Why? It's too easy! They have the notion --
shared by
Sarah,
That orphaned tab (to a deleted object) needs fixing. Thanks for the
reminder.
Best,
Jerry Daniels
Daniels Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.glx2.com
On May 28, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:41 AM, -= JB =- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
marty wrote:
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that issue
a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a real
programming language. Why? It's too easy! They have the notion
You are going to find all sorts of prejudices in the programming
world about ease of use. Easier it is to use, the less they want
to give it credit.
Now you do have to see one thing from their viewpoint. You spend
years learning how to use c++, you are finally at a point where you
can do a
I agree with the instructions on the website. There should be a FAQ for all
the installation issues. But my install issues were not nearly so complex as
Kay C Lan's were. I just assumed that the install was a one step process. I
downloaded Valentina for RunRev. Double clicked it and hit install
That's a *great* idea, Richard.
On May 29, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
But it would be helpful if some of the introductory materials in the
docs discussed Rev as a second language for JavaScripters as it does
for HC and VB.
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HyperCard also suffered from this mentality in both higher education and
corporate environments (I can speak to this first hand). Part of HC's
problem was that it was slower than compiled applications doing the same
things. Part of the problem was that color was being widely accepted and
marty wrote:
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that
issue a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a
real programming language. Why? It's too easy! They have the
And it is (dificult)... To program complex functional logic... What shouldnt be
hard is wielding the language itself. It is hard to build a building.. That is
why architects use pencil and paper to prototype or design first. I am sick to
death of code writing machismo. What matters is the
David Brooks wrote:
marty wrote:
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that
issue a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a
real programming language. Why? It's too easy!
Mikey,
And this all over again as Mashups infiltrate enterprise and IT have
to deal with end users building their own UI etc.
Thanks for the post
Tom
On May 29, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Mikey wrote:
So the short version of that story is You're right. The longer
version,
though, is a tale of
I like RevCode... I think I'll start using that.
Tom McGrath
On May 29, 2008, at 1:46 PM, David Brooks wrote:
I needed to describe the course, and I've chosen to use a term
introduced to me at Las Vegas by Paul Looney -- RevCode. So, I'm
teaching RevCode. Now, some of you might think
Thats why it would be nice to have Revolution name mentioned regularly
in the big IT magazines. Once it gets there the snowball effect will
start working as local national magazines tend to replicate news printed
in the greater ones. These news in turn get replicated by IT columns
in local
I noticed in the 2.9 documentation the language is simply called
Revolution. All instances of transcript seemed to have been removed
(so now we will be able to tell the old timers from the noobies!)
Neal
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like
The catch is:
If anyone uses Google to find answers, or help, or general info...
this won't get much if all you write is RevCode, so use more than one term,
such as Revolution or Transcript, etc.
Of course, RunRev is unique, but I don't see many people using this beyond
the Rev team.
Lynn
I SO vote for RevCode.
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RevCode certainly is a nice succinct and unique word. Revolution is a
useless word and Transcript is also and scripting all those others aren't
unique. It really is a great idea to name transcript or hypertalk or
revolution or whatever the stuff we have been coding in when using RunRev
RevCode.
Is it cultural or why do hate the name revolution? Long, unwieldy, heavy
handed, un-related to the product, awkward, out of vogue, s t r a n g e, the
opposite of cool . . . like british food? Gets in the way of public acceptance.
-Original Message-
From: viktoras didziulis [EMAIL
Personally, I think it overstates the case, it is too long, and is pompous.
If you don't use it all the time then it isn't so bad - RevCode, for
example, is just RevCode, even though it's short for something else. If you
use it sparingly then it isn't a problem.
The biggest problem with using Revolution to mean RevCode is that
Revolution means something else. So it is confusing especially for web
searches.
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Too easy? Too difficult?
This is one of those things that can go on and on.
Having ploughed through all those disgusting
command-line languages of the 70s and 80s I really
don't care if people want to be all funny about
Runtime Revolution; let them be; all I do know is:
I can have a child of 8
BTW, a very good set of script performance tips by Wil Djykstra are located
Wil, if you're seeing this, I just want to apologize for mangling your last
name - I just realized it should have been Dijkstra. (Hey, at least I got
the j in there! :-)
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email:
Hello
I am building a button with different icon images for hilite, press,
visited, etc, and scripted actions on different mouse events.
For localization convenience I place a single label image over the
button, but this generates problems because the label captures all
mouse events.
Well said, why should computing be consomptive only? We dont just read books...
We also write them. Computing should be a more creative activity. i'm not
saying xtalk is the final solution... But it does lower the pain theashold
enough to bring more people to the only qualitatively different
Here, here!
How do you think we can do to help this happen?
Judy
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:34 AM, marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the other side of the aisle, I'd like to begin urging other teachers to
begin making their own software to use with their classes. But they think
it's too
I'd forgotten about Lynn's blogging suggestion, which is odd given
that I've been tinkering with the idea of a Rev in Education blog
@;-)
Judy
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lynn mentioned blogging as a way of getting the word out, but we still get
back to
And, of course, the problem here is one of branding, or rather,
changing the branding rather frequently. Is it Revolution?
Transcript? Media/Dreamcard/Studio/Enterprise/whatever-it-is-this-week?
(though I must say I was very impressed with the concern for branding
expressed at the conference, as
Hi All,
I have a handler with a repeat loop that steps thru a list of button
IDs.
The first time I set the menuhistory of one of these buttons, the
repeat loop and the entire handler exits to top without completing.
In other words, if there are 4 buttons in the list and I set the
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sarah,
That orphaned tab (to a deleted object) needs fixing. Thanks for the
reminder.
Unfortunately it is an intermittent bug and I have never managed to
work out what makes it happen.
Sarah
Richmond, I quite often take issue with your posts to this list, but
this time, I agree with every word :-)
I too suffer from people describing Revolution as a toy and ignoring
the fact that I produce software that is incredibly stable and largely
bug-free in about a tenth of the time they do.
Hi all,
Platform: WINXP
RunRev: 2.9
I was wondering if it is possible to build a screen capture application in
RunRev that works like SnagIt!?
And if so, how would I go about it?
I've played around with this in RunRev, but not fully versed with all the
image commands.
It would work something
Hi Mark,
Have a look at Snapper:
http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
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Hi Mark, does Snapper work on the Windows XP platform?
Mark Stuart.
Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
Hi Mark,
Have a look at Snapper:
http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
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Hi Andres,
Would something like this work in the image script?
on mouseUp
send mouseUp to button nameOfButton
end mouseUp
take care,
randy
On May 29, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Andres Martinez wrote:
Hello
I am building a button with different icon images for hilite,
press, visited, etc,
Hi Mark,
It doesn't work on Windows yet, but it should be possible. The
EnhancedQT external crashed when I tried it and I haven't had time to
figure out the reason for the crash yet.
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Andres-
Is it possible to define an image to be transparent to mouse events?
How about...
on mouseUp
pass mouseUp
end mouseUp
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Hi Mark.
That's unfortunate. But all I'm looking for is to grab screen shots of the
software I build and then be able to paste the capture to any other
software, such as an email or Word.
I think Snapper would be an overkill?
Regards,
Mark Stuart
Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
Hi Mark,
It
How about this button script...
ON mouseUp
hide this stack
import snapshot
cut image 1
show this stack
END mouseUp
Terry...
On 30/5/08 9:06 AM, mfstuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mark.
That's unfortunate. But all I'm looking for is to grab screen shots of the
software I build
Hi Mark,
Yes, if you really only want a single screenshot, rather than a
complete movie, you don't need Snapper --although a movie is often
much more informative ;-)
To make screenshots on Windows, I use a simple freeware utility called
MWSnap. There are quite a few of these utilities
Just an update... I am stuck on this, because expect somehow
interferes with the downloading of larger files.
Simply running rsync from Terminal works great. (I downloaded 800MB of
large files at blazing speed with nary a hiccup)
But running a shell script:
#!/usr/bin/expect -f
spawn
Terry, I can work with that.
Actually, I modified your Capture button script to:
on mouseUp
hide this stack
import snapshot
--position the image so that it doesn't overlap the Capture button at the
top left of the form
set the left of image 1 to 2
set the top of image 1 to 32
--cut
Mark, how about revScript, or runRevScript?
After all, it is scripting we do in RunRev. :)
Mark Stuart
Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
Hi Mark,
Yes, if you really only want a single screenshot, rather than a
complete movie, you don't need Snapper --although a movie is often
much more
Thanks Mark and Randy
Unfortunately, that is not enough.
One of the problems I have not been able to work around is the
button's auto-hilite, used to show a different Icon when the mouse is
over the button. When the mouse enter the label, then the icon is back
to normal and the button
Mark,
How about using this: http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp?CMP=KgoogleShome
Joe Wilkins
On May 29, 2008, at 4:06 PM, mfstuart wrote:
Hi Mark.
That's unfortunate. But all I'm looking for is to grab screen shots
of the
software I build and then be able to paste the capture
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Lynn Fredricks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My approach is to:
-utilize the new wave of communication venues like Linked In, mySpace and
Facebook
I am not a proponent of Second Life,IMO it's a colossal waste of time, but
my wife spends quite a bit of time
With all your help, I created a very simple screen capture application.
I just put it up on RevOnline.
User Name: mfstuart
Category: Utilities
Program Name: Grab It!
Buttons: Capture, Clipboard, Clear
Thanx to Terry and Mark for the suggestions.
Terry Judd wrote:
How about this button
Pardon my stupidity, but I have been unable to locate the RevOnline
site.
Link please?
Joe Wilkins
On May 29, 2008, at 5:19 PM, mfstuart wrote:
With all your help, I created a very simple screen capture
application.
I just put it up on RevOnline.
User Name: mfstuart
Category: Utilities
Joe - click the 'Rev Online' button in Rev's icon bar.
Terry...
On 30/5/08 10:36 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pardon my stupidity, but I have been unable to locate the RevOnline
site.
Link please?
Joe Wilkins
On May 29, 2008, at 5:19 PM, mfstuart wrote:
With all
Thanks, Terry. You can't imagine the things I got thinking it was a
website URL.
Joe Wilkins
On May 29, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
Joe - click the 'Rev Online' button in Rev's icon bar.
Terry...
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Kay C Lan wrote:
As an aside, for Jacque who felt she needed to put a bag over her head,
obviously in Second Life your Avatar can look really good.
It does. :) Well, sort of good. I didn't want to stray too far from reality.
But from my own
perspective, thanks for not putting a bag over
I have a handler with a repeat loop that steps thru a list of button
IDs.
The first time I set the menuhistory of one of these buttons, the
repeat loop and the entire handler exits to top without completing.
Found the answer. Instead of:
repeat with x = 1 to 4
set the menuhistory
Seems to me that these need to be answered together.
Personally, I would love to see, say, a 6-month trial copy of Media
bundled with certain computers. Has Apple or certain large-scale
computer dealers been contacted about this sort of thing? I tell
you, having HC bundled with the Macs
I have two stacks. One is the initial stack that launches the main stack,
which is the application. I am using a substack of the main stack as a
dialog box. In this dialog box, the user selects an option and then closes
the dialog. Here is my problem: when the substack is closed it also closes
or
On 5/29/08 11:03 PM, Charles Szasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have two stacks. One is the initial stack that launches the main stack,
which is the application. I am using a substack of the main stack as a
dialog box. In this dialog box, the user selects an option and then closes
the
Ken,
Thanks for your quick reply! I will try your suggestion. This is the first
time I have used a substack in Rev. As you guess, I am still new at using
Rev.
I'm sure what's going on is that the main stack has an on closeStack
handler in it stack script that quits the main stack. When you
my vote too! What about filling in the wish report in the Quality Center :-)
Viktoras
Mikey wrote:
I SO vote for RevCode.
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On 5/29/08 7:34 PM, marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Marty,
Is it true that most programmers say that hypercard isn't
programming? Do they say that about RR? I'm running into that issue
a little bit.
Some of my students (8th grade and up) think that RR is not a real
programming
Andres-
I think you probably don't mean auto-hilite here; that's for mouseDown
events. What I would do would be to group the button and the image,
then put the code into the group script rather than the individual
objects in the group:
ON mouseEnter
set the icon of button myButton to 200954
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