Thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't behave quite the way I need -- it
goes back through cards no matter what stack they're in. I need the
buttons to navigate just within the substack. So I'm looking at ways
to parse the recentCards property. (Messy, but easier than building
my own
, but the stack
restriction in the command doesn't seem to have any effect -- I just
go back through the recentCards history list in all stacks, including
IDE stacks.
What am I missing this time??
Charles
On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
Thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't behave
the user navigates
through the main stack, occasionally opening new cards in the substack.)
Charles
On Aug 18, 2005, at 12:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
Thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't behave quite the way I need
-- it
goes back through cards
.
That looks like it might be the problem . . .
Charles
On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
I'll try this. But it looks like (am I wrong? always a good
possibility!), as long as the substack is open, cards from other
stacks
will get added to the recent list
the gHistoryPointer . . .
Confused glad to get any advice,
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That is not what happens when I click the DC Player on my PowerBook
running Tiger. Maybe something is strange about my system, but I
don't think so, and the Player app obviously works (is not
corrupted.) So we seem to have *both* bad behavior (on my PB) and
inconsistent behavior.
As for
Or you (the developer) can simply open Get Info on the stack file and
change the Open With there, before distributing the stack. Either
way, you produce a stack which can be double-clicked to run under the
Player.
The problem comes when you -- or rather your not-in-the-know user --
, an ampersand, and another double-quote. I
just get two double-quotes with nothing in between. How do I persuade
the ampersand to show up? It doesn't seem to have a constant, like
quote. Do I need to insert an escape character in the text of the
menu item? Which?
Charles Hartman
Thanks -- I knew it would be simple, but I couldn't find it. Where in
the docs is that?
Charles
On Aug 13, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
form the docs To put an or / character in the text of a menu,
double the characters: or //.
Dennis
On Aug 13, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Charles
On Aug 13, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
When I launch the (OSX) Dreamcard Player by double-clicking the
app (not a stack), I'm getting *nothing* -- just a splash /
starup screen with Preparing... and Checking license... and a
big right-facing arrow
Hear, hear!
If you want to BZ this, I'll certainly vote for it.
Charles Hartman
On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
It was my understanding that the online viewer launches in the
Player every time, because there is NO OTHER WAY to open a stack!
Again I say this is bad
the player, open the stack) without elaborate
instructions.
Charles Hartman
On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
It was my understanding that the online viewer launches in the
Player every time, because there is NO OTHER WAY to open a stack!
Again I say this is bad UI design
And is there any way to convince the TTS system -- on Mac or Windows
-- to stress a word differently (or more strongly) than the internal
dictionary tells it? (Recent example from the news: do we say
SUBmariner or subMAriner.) Is this something that can be
controlled through Rev's
On Aug 9, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:
I wonder, what has been the oohhh, this is interesting moment for
the new users on this list.
My 2 more cents:
I think elsewhere in your post you put your finger on part of the
problem. Many people on the list came to Rev from Hypercard.
are otherwise the same, as far as I can tell, except
for some fairly advanced stuff (commercial database queries for
example) that -- so far -- I don't think I'll need.
There's the amateur view. Those Who Know will tell you more.
Charles Hartman
On Aug 8, 2005, at 9:19 PM, David Bakody
5, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
At 11:20 AM -0400 8/5/2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
Well, I don't know. Now that it's pointed out to me, I see in the
Doc under 'this' only mentions of 'this card' and 'this
stack' . . . It seems a little counterintuitive, though, doesn't
In my very patchy experience, what's surprising and confusing --
whether you used HyperCard or not, though in different ways -- is the
overlap / non-overlap between groups and backgrounds. Obviously
they have a lot in common (since a Rev background _is_ a group,
though one with a
In a mouseUp handler for a radio-button group called my group, I
would have thought I could refer to the hilitedButtonName of the
group without specifying it any further. But
answer the hilitedButtonName
doesn't give the right response. Neither does
answer the hilitedButtonName of
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At 10:09 AM -0400 8/5/2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
What I most don't understand (??) is the relation between me and
this X when me
conception is.
I hope this makes enough sense to be answerable -- it doesn't make
much sense to me any more.
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I'm really baffled. Following suggestions on list, I'm handling
the transfer of data to a dialog substack by copying a group.
The group contains an image and a lot of little fields. The
substack has two cards. I do the copy command in a button handler
for each check-box, and I guess I'd have to
make the radio-button group emit a custom message when a button (or
the right button) is pressed. Is that right, or even close to right?
Thanks as always for any help.
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checkboxes in a group and the radio buttons in a group and then
when the user checks a checkbox, disable the checkbox group until
he clicks a radio button. Then in the radio button group, re-enable
the checkbox group.
Close?
On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
So I want
Ah! Never mind -- I just found the target() function.
Charles
On Aug 4, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
Thanks -- and to Alex, too -- I hadn't thought of grouping the
check-boxes. I'm first going to try a simpler more permissive
approach and see how the user-experience feels
I agree (with everybody), of course.
But it is true that until this thread came up I didn't think to look
in the Variable Watcher for signs of this. There were a couple of
globals that I had declared at an earlier experimental stage of
development of this project, still hanging around
it, and properties (custom or built-in) can be set before
it's opened? The IDE's own evidence is kind of mixed: the Application
Browser knows the substack while it's closed, but the Inspector doesn't.
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).
Would it make more sense for a stack being removed that way to take
any of its stacks with it into oblivion?
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Thanks. Two details just to check --
On Aug 2, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I suspect it'll be just fine in the standlone. I've done this a few
times as I recall and haven't seen any negative consequences.
And the same with a stack to be run under the Player? (I have
Dreamcard; no
.
HTH.
Phil Davis
Charles Hartman wrote:
I'm not clear about when a substack exists. I want to set some
custom properties in a substack from a script in the main stack,
and it would be a lot handier if I could do it before issuing the
open command for the substack. It seems to work OK
to automate
sending them to a dialog box.
Hope the question is coherent.
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anyone else's way?
Charles
On Aug 1, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 8/1/05 7:44 AM, Charles Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This has got to be simple, but I'm stuck: how do I get a group into a
custom property? I don't even need to do it from a script; the msg
box or Inspector will do
On Aug 1, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
I'm curious... why won't copy group solve your problem? That's
currently
the Rev-native way to do this kind of stuff (unless I'm not
understanding
correctly what you're trying to do).
It probably will. It just doesn't feel as tidy as if I
OK, I believe you. But I'm missing something really simple about how
to do it. (I haven't used this syntax before.) If the group is on one
card in my main stack (with its Visible set false), and in the script
of a button on the same card I open a substack and try to copy the
group to it, I
Woops. Now _that's_ embarrassing. Thanks, Brian.
Charles
On Aug 1, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
I believe the problem you are having is that you are going to the
substack and then using a short reference to the group, which of
course does not exist yet in the substack.
One more question (for now!) about this operation: how do I get rid
of it? In testing, I've opened the substack half a dozen times -- and
there are half a dozen copies of the group in the substack. Obviously
I've got to dump 'em somehow (in a script when the stack closes?),
but how?
using an if-block to choose:
if Courier is among the lines of the fontNames then
put Courier into tNewMonoFont
else
put Courier New into tNewMonoFont
end if
. . .
set the textFont of someStack to tNewMonoFont
. . .
Charles Hartman
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Thank you.
That was very helpful, especially the script.
Paul Looney
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In Python, too, you can change the loop variable; but every time
execution goes back to the top of the loop, the variable takes on the
next value it _would have_ taken, no matter what you've done to it in
the meantime. (If I remember right.) Kind of a handy combination --
as long as you
On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Pardon me chiming in here.
When using things like players and speech etc. it is our
responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for
any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of
On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:50 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
If you do a search on the mailing list for cross platform fonts
you'll get tons of hits. Here's Dar's info:
http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/
msg26708.html
Thanks very much. Since Dar's table shows that even
Thanks very much. That isn't what I'm trying to do -- not any more.
Originally I did want to do that, so as to line up metrical scansion
marks -- rather like diacritics, you're right -- over text. But I
didn't know about the formattedWidth property (which turns out to be
nifty now that I
1. The problem I reported about the disappearing cursor does have a
temporary solution, which I got from one of the comments in the
Bugzilla report: include in some stack script the lines
delete stack revCursors
reset cursors
Presto. And that should suggest a fix for the bug,
Wow, yes, RevZilla is very cool indeed. Thanks!
Charles
On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 7/26/05 7:09 PM, Charles Hartman
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Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?
Whenever I try I get an error message saying
On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows
without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system
just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?
Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are
On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect
it to work. It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you
are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's
what Windows *always* does.
Yes, I
into an impression of a
confusing interface, even though it's a detail and not a genuine
conceptual mystery.
Charles Hartman
On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
But the question here is: Is Rev's UI really that opaque? Or is
it the underlying concepts which drive the UI
the mark below) in response to
mouse-clicks. But on WinXP, though the font is the same (Courier
New), the size is different! So the mark-hiding fields don't cover
their marks.
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Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every
time I use answer I'd need something like this?
if tPlatform is OSX then
answer Here's a sample with one or two or three
else
answer Here's a sample
? I'm not using (specifying) anything in the way of icons at all. I
do set the background (fill) color of the card differently in
different parts of the main stack to keep the user oriented, but that
doesn't look like the problem -- the cursor disappears over the
_whole_ face of the stack,
:
Yes. I believe so. It is due to a difference in HIG for the two
platforms.
Judy
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every
time I use answer I'd need something
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
Even if you use Courier New and you find the Win and Mac equivalent
textSizes, you'll still encounter the issue of different text
origin points in the field on the respective platforms. (By 'origin
point' I mean the x:y coordinate within the
There's another bug or two (BZ 2138 and another one I can't see
right now) that might be what you're seeing. These happen when you
run a stack on WinXP by double-clicking on the stack icon. I
created BZ 2138 for this problem with the Dreamcard Player - and
since I wasn't sure if it was
On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse onto
a stack.
If you could add your comments to the bug report, the team might be
able to track it down. I don't think it depends on the stack
itself, since those
No no, you're right, I wasn't thinking clearly. (How novel!) _One_
version of the text-and-marks field, screen-shot and therefore
reliable in size, with covering fields tailored to that immutable
size. Yes, that ought to work. I'll try it, especially if I can't get
the text-size-changing
Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?
Whenever I try I get an error message saying that The page you
opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari. It
adds, Safari can't open the page blah blah because it cannot
redirect to locations
It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that
this seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty
glaring bug -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print
dialog available, you probably need to pay attention to what it says.
Some of the unicode and
about that. I think it's the IDE
that could use more thorough documentation. But then, I'm scraping by
without getting Dan Schafer's book, so maybe it's just a complaint
for the penurious the stingy . . .
Charles Hartman
On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:
In Rev
and forth, and also prevent a tasks to do counter
from being decremented.)
Hope the question makes sense.
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Magnifique. Thanks!
coh
On Jul 23, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Charles,
All questions always make sense.
Some answers no :-)
Le 23 juil. 05 à 15:19, Charles Hartman a écrit :
Is there a way to prevent a button from being hilited when
clicked? I want to put hilite under
scripts.) Do I
need to declare the variable as an array somehow? Is there a way,
that I've just plain missed, of initializing a variable at the same
time as declaring its scope?
Sorry, I'm just getting started with arrays here.
Charles Hartman
at it. No spelling erorr, as far as I can
see.
Thanks.
Charles Hartman
On Jul 23, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
Charles,
What version of Rev are you running?
The ability to see array contents was added in 2.6, but you have to
click on it to see the contents in the lower frame
Cool -- thanks -- but don't you want to call it
The Invisible Hand
?
Charles Hartman
On Jul 22, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
I just uploaded a stack to User Spaces that illustrates how mouse
movement and action can be simulated. This may be useful for
example
: is this in a substack? If yes to both, that's the bug I
posted. (Solution found later: pre-hard-wire the default font in the
substack.)
Charles Hartman
On Jul 20, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
After it inserts that link, which is a wing-dings character, it then
resets the font information
*also* getting the arithmetic right -- would mean 64,446,024 ten-
letter words to check. Looks like everyone's instinct to go the other
way was sound.
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problem with second displays on Mac.
I should mention, my
two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.
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The solution is to put into a preOpenStack handler in the MAIN stack
a line like this:
set the textfont of stack My Substack to the effective
textfont of stack My Substack
(It's possible to do this for multiple substacks by building a list
of them.)
What a waste of a day.
Charles Hartman
in the field fails to
switch to the new default font. Why would this happen in the substack
and not the main stack?
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ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
-- especially the Containers, variables . . . area, which takes 17
to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- everything else
stops dead!. (I've filed a BZ report on this.)
Charles Hartman
into a problem that I, for one, am about to give up on
-- it's too far inside Rev's guts for me to have any ideas left about
fixing or even working around it.
coh
On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
The idea is to call this handler from an openStack handler, so as
to change
Word?
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- some other index scheme ...
Spotlight.
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on preOpenStack
-- could check platform (which
I for one would _love_ to be able to write externals for Rev in
Python (especially Python 2.4), a language I know reasonably well and
like very, very much.
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On Jul 9, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Glen Bojsza wrote:
This is what I think would make a great Rev
it so much? Can't be just Unicode, I think --
HTML?)
coh
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on more than one platform, for example?
Or to put it yet another way: don't mean to be obstreperous, but how
to I work around this feature?
Charles Hartman
On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Charles,
Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago
Hartman
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Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that
doesn't have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't
that the whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that
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the htmlText of fld f of card c to hold[c]
end repeat
end changeFieldTextProps
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On Jul 1, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
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It is the case. It's the spaces, not the visible characters, whose
representation seems to depend on unknown (inaccessible?) contextual
factors.
Is it possible it's just Palatino
:
Sometime around 30/6/05 (at 08:02 -0400) Charles Hartman said:
I'm finding that when I close and reopen my stack, the spacing of
the upper (scansion) line is sometimes off -- too condensed or too
spaced out. I set the Font for the whole stack file to Palatino.
Are you saying the type
know how to make it behave?
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Is there a better solution?
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I'm reviving an old Hypercard tutorial on English Metrics -- how to
scan metrical verse in English. It contains lots of scansions, which
have this general form:
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