Re: Jacque's Great!

2005-07-19 Thread Judy Perry
Well, I can help keep it going! Jacque's support has helped me rise above User Level = Amoeba to User Level = Protozoa ;-) Thanks, Jacque! Can't wait until I've evolved into, say, something that walks/crawls on land :-D Judy On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Chipp Walters wrote: I just like reading the

Re: Reminder of Shafer Book Status (Was Re: Asking for Shao Sean's Calendar Object)

2005-07-19 Thread Judy Perry
Yup, I'm a darned human. Drat! I suppose it's too late to try to find an ex post facto Vulcan egg donor now, isn't it? ;-) Anyway, what about those of us who paid up-front for all 3 vols? I'm sure you've answered this already (and maybe even to me privately for all I can recall; darned brain

Re: a maze-game stack?

2005-07-19 Thread Judy Perry
Hair-tearing out confusing for me, too. Is your bird's eye view cartesian or orthoscopic? If the former, it's probably doable. I gave up on the latter. I'm a math weenie. Judy On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Nicolas Cueto wrote: Hello Malte, Thanks for replying. And I'll take up your suggestion of

Re: NPR puzzle

2005-07-20 Thread Judy Perry
of which only helicopter is a mode of transportation? Judy On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Jim, Quick and dirty :-) alcoholism alliterate articulate ceremonial condescend cuirassier fraternise generalise helicopter homogenise inaccurate liberalism liberalise

Re: NPR puzzle

2005-07-20 Thread Judy Perry
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Mark Wieder wrote: Judy- Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 3:12:58 PM, you wrote: JP of which only helicopter is a mode of transportation? ...possibly alcoholism... ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation

2005-07-24 Thread Judy Perry
Well, how about it, folks? Judy On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, Timothy Miller wrote: Maybe someday, many dictionary terms could be linked with mini-stacks that actually demonstrate the use of the command, property, function, object or whatever described in the documentation. These could be downloaded

Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation

2005-07-24 Thread Judy Perry
U, but the problem is that HC shipped with pre-builts, little things like buttons that did things ordinary users might want to do, and hence could just copy-paste them into their own work. Ditto with fields. Ditto with other thingies like what to do with QT. And sample, real, working

Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation

2005-07-24 Thread Judy Perry
Thomas, But, indeed, when other 'birds of a feather' stay silent, the 'powers that be' are likely to be (justifiably) convinced that there is no such need because there was no public conment. This is why I do not mind looking like the community nay-sayer, unhappy camper, unfavorable term for a

Re: Rant Re Rev Documentation

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
But, Dan, consider the audience: How many of those who really NEED the intro to the IDE booklet are going to fork over $200 cash of their own money (plus transportation, plus lodging: even for a California resident I think it ran me close to $1,000 for the whole kit'n'kaboodle) for a product

Re: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
I agree with you entirely on this, Chipp. And Rev's pretty much in the same boat as HC as opposed to, say, Flash/Director, VB, etc. in this regard. The average new investigator sees the product, considers buying it or adopting it, but unlike Flash, Director, VB, ..., etc., it's not like they are

Re: Rev Documentation to the rescue

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
Here, here. Judy On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chipp Walters wrote: OK Dennis, I now know where you're coming from. I'm sorry you have that impression. AFAIK, it couldn't be further from the truth (speaking for myself, and probably many other 'professionals' here). The simple fact is: MOST ALL

Mea Culpa (long)

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
Hello, A thoughful fellow listmember has brought it to my attention that I am sounding even more strident than is normal (for me, anyways), and this has prompted me to try to rethink why my reactions are what they are and why they may be perceived differently than I intend them. So, in keeping

Re: Praise: Rev Documentation to the rescue

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
Okay big smile... and, of course, _everybody_ knows what DMOZ is, right? Not just real geeks? @;-) Judy On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry wrote: I suspect it's not likely that they're inclined to go looking all over etherspace to find the various (good) and scattered

Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
Well, if you're gonna bitch about something, you should be willing to do something about what you're bitching about. So, as my penance, I am going to try to make a webpage that tries really, awfully, hard to be a comprehensive listing of the various Rev tutorial thingies available. I tried

Re: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass

2005-07-25 Thread Judy Perry
Okay.. ummm, so you mean in addition to citing each URL you suggest the site owner's email addy? Just want to be certain... (somehow, I should have know you'd know who/what it was...) Judy On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry wrote: I tried googling it and found

Re: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass

2005-07-26 Thread Judy Perry
Hi George, Are you hacking my machine? ;-) Of course so far my google list looks like the DMOZ list. I've only just started! Is what you are looking for the old MetaCard product? If so, I think Marielle has a copy at her wiki and is working on it. Thanks for remininding me where to put it!

Re: Another Doc Thought

2005-07-26 Thread Judy Perry
A fair amount of current literature on learning programming indicates that novice programmers do indeed benefit tremendously from having access to fully-operational code snippets. They are the coding equivalents of physical manipulatives that fill ed lit on learning in general. So, if we're

Re: OT: Where to put stuff [was: Creating Tutorial/Docs Critical Mass]

2005-07-26 Thread Judy Perry
Ba-da ding, boom, bah! On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote: So, she said, oblivious and straight-faced, he told me where to put it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: Mac - Win problems

2005-07-26 Thread Judy Perry
Yes. I believe so. It is due to a difference in HIG for the two platforms. Judy On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote: Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every time I use answer I'd need

Re: Missing Script Code in Afterword of My Book

2005-07-29 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, You're a published writer; aren't you accustomed this this? (I personally know how this sux; see below for personal sob-story) I know that, for something completely different, I had an article published for which the editor decided to make some changes... that made me look entirely like a

Re: Turtle Graphics

2005-08-01 Thread Judy Perry
RevOnline? Judy On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, david bovill wrote: I have some simple scripts which draw trees etc based on l-systems, which in turn are built on basic Turtle Graphic primitives - would be nice to collect this stuff in one place? ___

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

2005-08-02 Thread Judy Perry
Whew! I'm feeling better already. I'm in agreement with Raskin on the uni-button mouse being preferrable for error-reduction. (I know, I know: I'm ducking the expected onslaught of people who swear by the right-click with an eye on whether they'd be equally enthusiastic about using a Unix

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

2005-08-02 Thread Judy Perry
I knowe you and others doubtless believe this. So, a uni-button mouse scores higher on 2 out of 3. Not bad. As for 3, productivity, that's something that comes later, as an advanced skill, much as does a 3 button mouse or an 8-chord transcription device. As I'm guessing that the purpose of the

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

2005-08-02 Thread Judy Perry
Chipp, I use two-button mice when I teach on the PC platform. I've played around with 3-button mice a bit. I have a 4-button programmable Kensington trackball (and a two-button Stingray trackball that offers true right-clickability). In addition to reading and agreeing with Raskin (although I

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly --a rose by any other name...

2005-08-02 Thread Judy Perry
That's an interesting observation... the deaf for years have been clamouring for such tactile devices, particularly for gaming, and the visually impaired for, well, just about everything else I suspect. 'Twould be nice... The puck sucked, though. But my kids like it (their hands are small

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

2005-08-03 Thread Judy Perry
Still, you will have those who are learning it for the first time (e.g., my heart surgeon previously mentioned, children, etc.) for whom a single buttoned mouse is preferrable. Also -- for how many of the 'average' users will right-clicking be well understood? While learnability is important,

Re: right-click on Macs

2005-08-03 Thread Judy Perry
I think it is option-click. At least, that's the way I've done it using a uni-button mouse (because, you can, of course, get a true right-click using a 3rd party mouse on a Mac should you so need). Judy On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Charles Silverman wrote: Is there a way to get the right-click when

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

2005-08-03 Thread Judy Perry
Or the one about the woman whose cupholder on her computer was broken?? :-D Judy On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Peter T. Evensen wrote: This reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) tech support story of the woman who bought her first computer, brought it home, and called in because she couldn't get it

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

2005-08-03 Thread Judy Perry
Yup, Or when, in a teaching situation, some little gremlin geek-in-training does likewise with scattered mice in the lab and you're trying to teach computer novices... Judy On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Bill Vlahos wrote: What really drives me crazy is when a left handed person customizes their mouse

Re: ANN: Datastructures Article.

2005-08-03 Thread Judy Perry
Cool, Andre! I can't wait to read it!! Judy On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, continuing the job of presenting the community with cool articles, I just build an article entitled: CS Demo #1: Lists and its uses. where I delve on the topic of lists, queues, stacks. The

Re: The GENIUS of stacks

2005-08-04 Thread Judy Perry
Chipp, Thanks for this elucidation. I'm quite certain that I didn't understand it all, but will be delighted to point these things out next time I have a captive geek audience @;-) One thing that did confuse me (perhaps signifying my ignorance), is whether point (1) was supposed to be

Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Judy Perry
Charles, Just a guess, but did you look at the Target? That way you could put a mouseUp handler in the group and use either and if-then or a menuPick conditional structure in conjunction with the Target, e.g., pseudocode: on mouseUp -- at the group level if the Target is whatever ... end

Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Judy Perry
Rats. Could've saved myself some typing ;-) Judy On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Charles Hartman wrote: Ah! Never mind -- I just found the target() function. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-05 Thread Judy Perry
Sounds like the Newton HWR v1.0... Judy On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: In v4 if you ran the spelling checker on childcare it suggested kidnapper. Something's not right with that crew ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Detecting a mouse click in a field

2005-08-05 Thread Judy Perry
Glen, Can you lock the field? Then it can receive mouse messages... Judy On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Glen Bojsza wrote: Hello, I have been trying to figure out th ebest way to determine if the user has clicked the mouse in a field. Both mouseUp and mouseDown are for buttons (though if the user

[OT] Glasgow's Laws of Computing

2005-08-07 Thread Judy Perry
I thought that some might get a kick out of this: http://www.gordon-glasgow.org/gglaws.html I found it whilst looking for resources for next term's course (Computers Society). Gotta fund an angle for incorporating Rev... Judy ___ use-revolution

Re: computerized speech

2005-08-09 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, Wasn't there a thread a while back on this? I seem to recall people liking voices by ATT? But they were commercial voices... Sorry. Wish I could recall better. Judy On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Mark Swindell wrote: Is Apple's built in text-to-speech the best there is or are there

Re: [OT] Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday

2005-08-12 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, Your comments remind me of a conversation I had with my spouse (a Python user) tonight (okay, _last_ night). He was high on how you could generate/use on-the-fly generated global variables in Python, and how he couldn't in a real programming language... (I dunno, maybe you can in a 'real'

Re: OT: Super-computer studies aerodynamics of the potato chip

2005-08-20 Thread Judy Perry
Hey Jim! Thanks for this. It'll be a neat, semi-OT thing for the kiddies to read this term in the general ed course Computer Impact on Society... (a real course). Judy On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Jim Hurley wrote: This from todays NYT: Once the exclusive territory of nuclear weapons designers and

Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-20 Thread Judy Perry
Is it just Flash in general or Macromedia products (specifically, Director) in particular? I've noticed this as well... Judy On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote: As people have said, Flash can't have shaped windows in the first place, so this animation is out of consideration. My

ATTN: Marty BillingsleyA

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Perry
Marty ( et al ): Now that NECC 2005 is an in-the-past kind of thing, do you have any reports of how it went and/or any online summarization of how your presentation went? I'd like to post it for my fellow grads in the MS in Instructional Design and Technology program Kindest thanks, Judy

Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Perry
, at 10:56 PM, Judy Perry wrote: Is it just Flash in general or Macromedia products (specifically, Director) in particular? I've noticed this as well... Judy On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote: As people have said, Flash can't have shaped windows in the first place, so

Re: NECC roundup (was ATTN: Marty Billingsley)

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Perry
Marty, I live near San Diego... Perhaps we can collaborate? Judy On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Marty Billingsley wrote: Using RR as a multimedia tool isn't the focus of what I teach students. Maybe for NECC 2006 I can put together a session on using RR to teach programming, but don't know if the

Re: OT: Computer Science in today's market

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Perry
You do? You're kidding, right? ;-) At least, that _would be_ the response if made by any of my CS major students :( Judy On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I spend more time doing requirements analysis and design than coding. Those

Re: MIDI externals

2005-08-23 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Ken, Shakobox for Windows won't work for you? (Sorry... that's all I can think of). Judy On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Ken Norris wrote: Howdy, Is there an external for Windows (I think they're called DLL's?) that will select instruments and play MIDI notes instantly? Not necessarily a song

Re: Downloading stacks

2005-08-24 Thread Judy Perry
Plus, when you've downloaded the below, use the browser and perform the menu command File - Save As... Usually works for me. Judy On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Roger Guay wrote: Hi, This is probably simple, but sometimes when I attempt to download a stack I get a page of text starting with:

Re: [ANN] Shafer Media Offers Dan's Books in New Form, Upgrades Vol. 1

2005-08-26 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, Awesome!!! Judy On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: Fellow Revolutionaries: EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF ANNOUNCEMENT I know you're busy like me so I don't want to force you to wade through six paragraphs to get to the bottom-line message. Here are the highlights of this announcement:

Re: Transparent Images

2005-09-01 Thread Judy Perry
And doesn't the shareware product GraphicConverter do this as well? www.lemkesoft.de Mac only, though... Judy On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Devin Asay wrote: If you're on Mac OS X or Classic there's also a little-known way of using the Paint Tools paint bucket tool to fill an area with transparent

Re: Messages

2005-09-05 Thread Judy Perry
You're better than me then... I had to go back re-read it to see what I had obviously missed! @;-) Thanks for pointing it out! Judy On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote: Bah, it wasn't even close to bad. Actually, I have been reading that fake-Hungarian code so much that I didn't even

Re: [OT] - Jakob Nielsen on Web Forms vs. Apps

2005-09-20 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks, Dan, for this. It's been a while since I've checked his site and though, like you, I may not always agree 100%, still, as you say, he's evidentally put thought into the matter and, hence, his stuff is always thought-provoking. Now, if only I could make the time to stay on tiop of such

Re: The Deadly Sins

2005-09-22 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, Thanks! If only I weren't teaching a GE (General Education = non-majors) course this term... I'm still trying to explain the difference between an email address and a URL... :-/ Judy On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Mark Wieder wrote: Sinners- I've had this filed away for a while and just

Re: Sound formats

2005-09-25 Thread Judy Perry
I and my students have encountered numerous problems using WAVs (of course, _we're_ not professionals!) as opposed to AIFFs. Aren't some of the WAVs compressed? We've seen WAVs that worked in Rev fine on one platform but not another, and vice-versa (no apparent pattern, but, then, given that the

Re: Sound formats

2005-09-25 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks, Jacque. Next term, when I get to teach Rev again, I will pass this stuff out. :-D Judy On Sun, 25 Sep 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote: Judy Perry wrote: I and my students have encountered numerous problems using WAVs (of course, _we're_ not professionals!) as opposed to AIFFs

Re: importing animated GIFs

2005-09-25 Thread Judy Perry
Hide them? _before_ you import them?? How can this be done? (I ask because I found a nice set of animated GIF letters, and tried importing all 26 of them. Slow death...). Judy On Sun, 25 Sep 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: I've been able to import 100's of AU

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 24, Issue 59

2005-09-25 Thread Judy Perry
Indeed, I just spent the weekend editing down a 50-minute 1960s TV series episode to about 7 min. or less by playing the DVD and using ambrosia's screen capture program to copy the audio (AND video!!!). Besides other through-put problems, 16 bit seemed to be a must (along with a tiny video

Re: importing animated GIFs

2005-09-26 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks, Nicolas! Judy On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Nicolas Cueto wrote: Judy, Here's the script I used for importing. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

Re: importing animated GIFs

2005-09-26 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks, Scott! Judy On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Judy Perry wrote: Hide them? _before_ you import them?? snip No -- after importing. Import, hide, import, hide, etc. As someone else suggested, setting the repeatCount of each GIF to 0 will also work. Just

Re: RevCon West

2006-06-18 Thread Judy Perry
Here, here! A nicely-put together assortment of varied useful topics! Thanks, too, to the vendors for a nice set of conference-specials. Next year in Monterey! (California, that is... not Mexico). Judy On 6/17/06, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the much appreciated kudos

Re: ANN: Global freeware laptop diary tool in REV

2006-06-18 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Kresten, I look forward to seeing your project! Just a couple of brief comments on the website (that's as far as I've gotten): Does anybody else get slightly seasick/nauseated by the floating/sliding navigation thingy on the left side of the website? Or is it just me my migraine? (I DO

Re: Laptop diary tool in REV - Glyphs

2006-06-18 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, Did you ever see ToolBook's UI? Something like 48 buttons on/near the top-level of the interface with seemingly little to no organization and many were not clear or were entirely too similar to other icons. Judy On 6/17/06, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on a related note, and

Re: Laptop diary tool in REV - Glyphs

2006-06-18 Thread Judy Perry
Right, The problem (where it can and does arise) is one in which either: (a) the concept doesn't lend itself well to iconification (Apple's somewhat horrifying example of dragging ejectable media to the trashcan to eject the media); or (b) the icon itself isn't well-thought out and/or drawn (I

Re: a couple hurdles I had with Rev

2006-06-19 Thread Judy Perry
There's a button? Judy On Sat, 17 Jun 2006, Martin Blackman wrote: Unfortunately the Undo button ain't really worthy of its own name. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: Did I miss something?

2006-06-19 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Derek, I dunno about your question, but I downloaded your product but, having the flu (acquired about the same time as RevConWest, unfortunately!), I haven't yet had a chance to take a look yet. Perhaps other RevConWest attendees also have not yet had the time to decompress (sans

Re: RevConWest 2006

2006-06-21 Thread Judy Perry
Yeah, whatever happened with last year's group photo??? Judy On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Tereza Snyder wrote: the regret? we never took a group photo! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: Good to See Everyone at RevCon West 2006

2006-06-21 Thread Judy Perry
Great to know that my crystal ball is spot-on... Judy who couldn't afford to stay Sunday :-( but my crystal ball's apparently working @;-) On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Dan Shafer wrote: Lynn Shoot! I wanted to be the first to leak that news! :-) ___

Re: tm|tools Reminder

2006-06-25 Thread Judy Perry
I got mine... Yippee! Now I can make my own nice-looking but oddly-shaped gizmos to use in demonstrating the windowShape property to my students w/o brazenly stealing Scott's! Judy On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Camm29 wrote: At long last BEAUTIFUL GAUGES Great ! Great ! Great ! Regards -

Re: rotating images...

2006-06-25 Thread Judy Perry
Andre, I'm no Scott Rossi, but, in my case, the answer is not well. (that is, the rotate or whatever command thingy produces nasty-looking things for me; maybe I'm just stupid, though). Judy On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, anyone here have found a way to rotate images in

Re: RevCon West - for free!

2006-06-26 Thread Judy Perry
.. If you paid for Sunday and signed the NDA, my guess is we can figure out some way to get you at least the information from the presentation if not the presentation itself. Contact me offlist about this. On 6/25/06, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... Kevin: What's

Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Judy Perry
If I'm not mistaken, this is something lots of folks have been asking for for a long time. Maybe it lies in 'the road ahead'? Judy On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, GregSmith wrote: Jacqueline: That's too bad. So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or extensions or 3rd party products

Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Judy Perry
Richard, While I really liked your referenced article, and, indeed, agree substantially with its many good points, the problem remains with the vast legions of folk who don't know the internet from the web, http from ftp (what?!??) and/or, in the case of a bunch of general education and

Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Judy Perry
Scott, Right, of course, but the problem still remains in a Windows world that, if your web content requires downloading some program that nobody's ever heard of, you've probably just cut-off 80%+ of your potential audience. Maybe even 90%+ (Many will be precluded by lacking permissions on

Re: rotating images...

2006-06-27 Thread Judy Perry
Ken, Cool! I look forward to trying. Thanks! Judy On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Ken Ray wrote: On 6/26/06 1:19 AM, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it looks less crappy than rotate? (sorry, haven't tried it... was so underwhelmed by rotate that I just gave up). Actually, they look

Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?

2006-07-09 Thread Judy Perry
Greg, Sorry, I've been in Hotlanta visiting my parents with the kiddies, so I'm weighing in WAAYYY LATE on this. But, for what it's worth, I'm a poster child for weak, infantile users... who could never program their way out of a paper sack... And have been since ever looking at Hypercard.

Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?

2006-07-09 Thread Judy Perry
Hmmm... despite the very long threads on their user list(s) entitled nail in the coffin that existed even 2 to 3 years ago? Yikes!! but you already know why I'm not fond of Director... Judy On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote: Bill Marriott wrote: By a plug-in comparable [to Rev] I

Re: how the internet works : the official explanation

2006-07-09 Thread Judy Perry
Someone is on some serious meds here... or needs some @;-) I think I'm gonna have to bookmark this one for next semester's course on Computers Society -- and some of the bozos who regulate the same. And there are clearly rather alot of people who think of it as a major dumping space... Judy

Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?

2006-07-09 Thread Judy Perry
But, does it feature a foreword from Jacque's parrots??? Judy On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Dan Shafer wrote: Too late. The Complete Book of AJAX: Or How I Learned to Love Pigeons Despite Their Poop coming soon to a bookstore near you. :-D Dan ___

Re: how the internet works : the official explanation

2006-07-10 Thread Judy Perry
You know, you all/we all are speaking of this in a highly rarified environment. WE understand that there is more than one family of computer processing chips; WE know that (a) there is more than one operating system, and (b) what an operating system is. Unlike a frightening number of my non-CS

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-10 Thread Judy Perry
And, indeed, I think that THAT's the hallmark of the 'seductive' environment of which Dan speaks. It seems to be, of necessity, a carrot and stick thing: something draws you in makes you happy/productive, and then willing to conquer the stick. Judy On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, J. Landman Gay wrote: I

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-10 Thread Judy Perry
And, yet, the literature seems clear that the best languages for learning programming are those which are the simplest and employ natural-language where possible. Those employing magical black-boxes are the least desirable/effective from a 'learning to program' standpoint. What is nice about Rev

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-12 Thread Judy Perry
languages on the programming planet -- rate very high with inventive user programmers despite their complete lack of English-like syntax or rationale. I thnk your point in general is well taken but the exceptoins are mind-blowing. On 7/9/06, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, yet

Re: Exporting sound from RR?

2006-07-12 Thread Judy Perry
I forget what you are on, but if you can get your hands on an OS X machine, you can use Ambrosia's WireTapPro to record them from your stack (www.ambrosiasw.com I think it is). Judy On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Is there a way to export the

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-12 Thread Judy Perry
Unfortunately, learning it as a first programming language wasn't among them as virtually every 'teach yourself Lingo/Director' book on the market was hopelessly mired in dot.syntax and, IIRC, so was Macromedia's own documentation. Since we're all having fun repeating ourselves (hey -- if we

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-12 Thread Judy Perry
I hear there's still some markets for COBOL Ada... B... Judy On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote: Rob Cozens wrote: And if Pascal programmers want := does Rev support yet another OPTION. And if you want VB syntax, do we add yet another OPTION? Reductio ad absurdum can be

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-12 Thread Judy Perry
Hmmm... I guess I *used* to think that way... Then my Dad let me use one of his/early?? HP brick RPN calculators. Now I can't remember how I think. Here's another example: Here's the number of formatting styles I've had to learn over the years in academia: Chicago Style Harvard Style AP Style

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-13 Thread Judy Perry
Because it makes it harder to learn. Like English. I don't know what that has to do with 'the establishment,' but it just makes things harder to learn. It's not that I don't understand how much easier it would make things for folks familiar with other languages. I do. BUT... (1) It still

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-15 Thread Judy Perry
, 13 Jul 2006, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Judy Perry wrote: Because it makes it harder to learn. Like English. I don't know what that has to do with 'the establishment,' but it just makes things harder to learn. I respectfully disagree. As Richard G has repeated several times already

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-15 Thread Judy Perry
been veritably trumped? And, of course, you can drop the expert out of my opinion; feel free to leave it in your own. Judy On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Troy Rollins wrote: On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:23 AM, Judy Perry wrote: And, again, it's not that I don't get x = 5 (or whatever). But pretty soon

Re: Dependence on Programming Experts

2006-07-15 Thread Judy Perry
Richmond, Given the early policy of Macromedia requiring a Made with Macromedia or some such thing splash screen, I suspect it's not all that difficult... (to estimate the number of deployed products made with Director). As you may know, I tend to agree that some of the people exposed to it

Re: [OT] Retarded Idiots and Mouthwash

2006-07-15 Thread Judy Perry
Ummm... Sorry... you're almost certainly referring to me/my words. I certainly did not intend to imply that anybody was saying that about me. Consider it hyperbole (or whatever, a worst-case scenario)... I still don't get the nothing like a bit of hypocrisy here - but, Hey, nobody shouts louder

Re: the 3 quick rules (of UI design)

2006-07-15 Thread Judy Perry
Yeah, okay, so it's not like the tablets from Sinai ;-) Hold on... gonna go find it... Mullet, Kevin E. Sano, Darrell K. Applying Visual Design: Trade Secrets for Elegant Interfaces. CHI'94, pp. 353-354. --remember that I can't make decent citations to save my life!!! Better still is the

Rev's Icon Similarities to the R language???

2006-08-01 Thread Judy Perry
Has anyone else seen this? http://www.r-project.org/ R is a statistical analysis opensource language. My husband says that it (the language project) goes back as far as 1996. Any thoughts? Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Games, Malte Brill and Richmond's Ego

2006-08-01 Thread Judy Perry
Well, Richmond Malte, Next spring I shall again teach my multimedia course in which we focus on game-dev. Ideas sample stacks gratefully accepted. And, as for pinching screenshots, I did the same last spring in grabbing one of those odd-shaped super-duper gizmo thingies Scott Rossi made to

RE: OT: Is there a more English-like Programming language than Transcript?

2006-08-11 Thread Judy Perry
Wasn't it OpenScript?? My memory may be bad... Judy On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote: After Director's Lingo, Flash's ActionScript, ToolBook's OpenTalk, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: Why do group ID's change when cloning a stack

2006-08-11 Thread Judy Perry
Is this a programmer-thing? I ask because I have a devil of a time convincing my students to *name* their objects. They end up having problems and it's VERY frustrating... Judy On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Robert Sneidar wrote: Since the days of Hypercard, I have known that using ID's to reference

Re: What should be in 8th Grade Maths ?

2006-08-13 Thread Judy Perry
Unfortunately, parts of the US, and especially Los Angeles Unified School District (California) are more interested in screwing things up via the Math Wars than in increasing test scores: http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/krantz.html The extent to which the California math standards will be taken

RE: Simple Myst-Like Application

2006-08-24 Thread Judy Perry
Indeed, I used it as an example and gave the background story as reading for my class... Most regrettably, one of the brighter students in the class was heard to remark something to the effect that: 'yeah, but it wasn't really done in Rev; all the real work was done in Photoshop...' Sigh...

Re: XP Home vs. Pro vs. Embedded

2006-09-14 Thread Judy Perry
Yup. Been there, done that. Judy On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Ian Wood wrote: P.S. A notorious example of memory leaks on OS X is Safari - if you leave your computer up for long periods of time Safari can easily hit more than a GB of RAM after being open for a few days, even after you close most

Re: [ANN][EN][FR] New tutorial from So Smart Software

2006-09-14 Thread Judy Perry
Nice to see you here again, Eric! Judy On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Eric Chatonet wrote: Paris, Thursday, September 14, 2006 -- English version - So Smart Software had not released any plugin or tutorial since a long time... So I'm happy to announce

Re: [ANN][EN][FR] New tutorial from So Smart Software

2006-09-15 Thread Judy Perry
Sounds awesome, but I'm still recovering from the costs of attending RevConWest :-( Judy On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, sims wrote: At 10:41 PM -0700 9/14/06, Judy Perry wrote: Nice to see you here again, Eric! You can meet Eric and listen to his presentation at the EuroRevCon 2006, 3-4-5 November

Re: Shakobox

2006-09-18 Thread Judy Perry
Yes. That's one of the nice things about it (although I understand from PC-using students that the PC implementation of it isn't anywhwere near as nice as the Mac version): you can select from 100+ QuickTime musical instruments instead of just the boing, flute beep of Hypercard. HTH, Judy On

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