Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7

2015-03-06 Thread Chris
Hi,

see here for a description for the decision why to provide a OC8 package for
system which doesn't ship PHP 5.4 by default:

https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/13917#issuecomment-73052468



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Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7

2015-03-06 Thread ~Stack~
On 03/06/2015 06:24 PM, Chris wrote:
 see here for a description for the decision why to provide a OC8 package for
 system which doesn't ship PHP 5.4 by default:
 
 https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/13917#issuecomment-73052468

That was actually an interesting read. Thanks!


We have too many things that we can't take big risks on so we keep to
the Enterprise grade type of stuff. We are still waiting on several big
vendors to properly adopt to RHEL 7 before we jump ship. I am /really/
hoping to stick it out on RHEL 6 till at least the end of the year with
a migration next year, but more and more it is getting challenging to do so.

It is kinda funny. Two years ago I led the crusade to get rid of RHEL 4
and last year I started the hard push to migrate off of RHEL 5. I just
wanted a year break before starting the push to get off RHEL 6. :-D


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Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7

2015-03-06 Thread ~Stack~

On 03/06/2015 02:23 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
 Packaging software which depends on php54 
 for platform which doesn't have php54...

To be fair, they have advertised dumping php53.
To be honest, if you look at my history on this forum you will see a
recent post where I too got blindsided by this very thing.

The Software Collections route I went to was something new to me, but it
ended up not being too bad. Now I have httpd24 and php55 running on
Scientific Linux in production with owncloud 8. The post shouldn't be
too hard to find, but if you need help let me know. I will be happy to
do what I can.


 I would think that E in RHEL means that the packager should be careful
 about screwing up your users.

Trust me. This is one of my biggest pet-peeves. Especially with the
absurd notion recently of pushing bleeding-edge packages that haven't
hit a one year birthday yet into Enterprise grade OS and LTS support.
This really frightens me. But I would also expect that an admin who
joins me in the fight for keeping that E of highest importance would
break a dev box...not a production one...

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Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7

2015-03-06 Thread Daniel Molkentin
Hi Matěj,

On 06.03.2015 15:56, Matěj Cepl wrote:
 Given the complete ineptude of the whoever packages owncloud on 
 the OpenSUSE builder for RHEL-6 I have build my own package to 
 be included into EPEL-6 proper. It is just owncloud7, but that 
 seems to work correctly with php53 which is what we have on 
 RHEL-6.
While I appreciate your efforts, I would like to remind you of our Code
of Conduct (https://owncloud.org/community/code-of-conduct/). I think
you're around Open Source projects long enough to know that insulting
people is, for a good reason, frowned upon outside the realm of LKML.

That said, I think whoever packages ownCloud on OBS would have
appreciated a hint. A patch like this should be easy enough to
integrate, but not obvious to someone who doesn't know all distributions
and their
RPM extensions by heart. So if the purpose of thise post was to be
helpful, rather than just bashing OBS, please consider contributing to
our packages next to the Koji ones.

Cheers,
  Daniel

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Re: [owncloud-user] EPEL-6 packages for ownCloud 7

2015-03-06 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-03-07, 00:24 GMT, Chris wrote:
 see here for a description for the decision why to provide a OC8 package for
 system which doesn't ship PHP 5.4 by default:

 https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/13917#issuecomment-73052468

Well, I will stay with EPEL-6 packages and I'll hope to keep 
them running at least for some time.

Couple of notes on idea staying with php54 from the Software 
Collections (official or not):

 * Requires: php54
   (Software Collections are all based around the idea that two 
   versions of packages should stay on the system, so its PHP 
   package will never provide plain php)
 * You have to remind your users, that Apache cannot load two 
   versions of mod_php at once, so if they want to have other 
   packages depending on the system PHP53 they must somehow 
   reconfigure them (probably using cgit?). I don't know about 
   ngnix, but I guess the situation will be similar.
   Lovely to do it on the production system!

There are certainly other disasters looming on the horizon.

Best,

Matěj

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