Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-29 Thread Tom Davies
...@online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012, 1:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice This reminds me to video systems: Video2000 was said to be the best but died quickly. Sony BetaMax is only alive

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-29 Thread Tom Davies
Tom :)  From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 21:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice What I find maddening

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-29 Thread Tom Davies
:) From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012, 11:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice Yes

[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Pedro
Hi Tom, all Let me be the Devil's advocate for a moment... Tom wrote MS keeps claiming that is what their new format is all about.  They claimed it with Rtf which they no longer develop which fits their pattern for gradually dropping completely and they are claiming it again with their DocX

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Jay Lozier
On 11/28/2012 09:05 AM, Pedro wrote: Hi Tom, all Let me be the Devil's advocate for a moment... Tom wrote MS keeps claiming that is what their new format is all about. They claimed it with Rtf which they no longer develop which fits their pattern for gradually dropping completely and they

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread VA
, November 28, 2012 9:05 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice Hi Tom, all Let me be the Devil's advocate for a moment... Tom wrote MS keeps claiming that is what their new format is all about. They claimed

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 28/11/2012 at 15:55, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: That may be the hazard of having a truly open and standard file format. It eliminates a program's ability to survive. This is far from truth. Take a look at e-mail protocols: POP3 and IMAP. Do we have only two e-mail server apps and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Jay Lozier
- From: Pedro Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:05 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice Hi Tom, all Let me be the Devil's advocate for a moment... Tom wrote MS keeps claiming that is what their new

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Tom Davies
Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 15:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice On 11/28/2012 09:55 AM, VA wrote: This is utterly maddening. Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Thanks for the boost in morale there! Regards from Tom :)  From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 15:14 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Tom Davies
that don't have pics)  Regards from Tom :) From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 14:05 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice Hi Tom, all Let me

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Tom Davies
:)  From: Steven Bradley stevencbrad...@gmail.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 5:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice I sure hope so.  I haven't got much

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice This is utterly maddening. Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test. I created a document in Word (.docx) and an identical document in LibO (.odt). I saved them both and then extracted their contents using 7-zip Manager. I was amazed at how similar

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread les
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:14 +0100, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 28/11/2012 at 15:55, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: That may be the hazard of having a truly open and standard file format. It eliminates a program's ability to survive. This is far from truth. Take a look at e-mail

[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread NoOp
On 11/28/2012 06:55 AM, VA wrote: This is utterly maddening. Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test. I created a document in Word (.docx) and an identical document in LibO (.odt). I saved them both and then extracted their contents using 7-zip Manager. I was amazed at how similar the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread VA
@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice I don't understand the maddening aspect of this reaction. I suppose I don't have to. When ODF was developed at OASIS, one of the design points was to be based on the functionality of OpenOffice

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
:27 PM To: 'VA' ; 'Pedro' ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice I don't understand the maddening aspect of this reaction. I suppose I don't have to. When ODF was developed at OASIS, one of the design points

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread rost52
I feel that Virgil is right and still have hope that the 2 teams will join one day again. This enlarged team would be a very strong one against MS. There is a proverb in German, which goes approximately like this: Hope only dies at the very end! On 2012-11-28 23:55, VA wrote: My guess is that,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-28 Thread rost52
This reminds me to video systems: Video2000 was said to be the best but died quickly. Sony BetaMax is only alive in the professional sector, but VDF (is this correct?), always called the worst video system in still alive... On 2012-11-29 00:14, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 28/11/2012 at

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-27 Thread anne-ology
well said. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-27 Thread Steven Bradley
That is really unfortunate. In Windows/DOS, we have problems with unrecognizable characters, and characters that are part of the formatting, but not so much the difficulties you are talking about--although at least one program (the old Ashton-Tate solution known as Framework) DID have quite a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-27 Thread Tom Davies
@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 19:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice That is really unfortunate.  In Windows/DOS, we have problems with unrecognizable characters, and characters that are part of the formatting

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-27 Thread Steven Bradley
stevencbrad...@gmail.com *To:* laurent alonso laurent.alo...@inria.fr; LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 19:24 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice That is really unfortunate. In Windows/DOS, we have

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-26 Thread Tom Davies
November 2012, 23:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice On 11/25/2012 05:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-26 Thread Jay Lozier
@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 25 November 2012, 23:56 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice On 11/25/2012 05:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-26 Thread Tom Davies
: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice On 11/26/2012 04:39 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Arachaic formats (ie old formats that are almost never used nowadays but may have been popular once) might be something that Extensions could be used to deal

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2012-11-26 Thread Steven Bradley
:) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 23:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice On 11/25/2012 05:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's

[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-25 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one.  https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and it's worth using to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-25 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
A thing about FOSS that is good, is that there is more than one voice involved in the way the product will be designed/used/etc.. MS people tend to say - This is what you are going to use now and this is how your will do it. Products involved with many companies helping with the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-25 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-25 Thread Jay Lozier
On 11/25/2012 05:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-25 Thread Doug
On 11/25/2012 06:56 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ important for long term accessibility. Most long term users can remember proprietary formats for software that were very popular 15+ years ago that are unreadable by any software in current release. To make matters worse you may even have files

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

2012-11-25 Thread Jay Lozier
On 11/25/2012 08:44 PM, Doug wrote: On 11/25/2012 06:56 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ important for long term accessibility. Most long term users can remember proprietary formats for software that were very popular 15+ years ago that are unreadable by any software in current release. To make