Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Caesar
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 25.02.2012 12:30, schrieb Caesar: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote What I meant was it feels mean to say that someone values a person's contributions so little that they have an automatic deletion filter on all of their

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Tom Davies
...@hiwaay.net wrote: From: Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 11:30 On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Tom Davies
not have considered significant.  Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 12:04

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Caesar
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:04:40 +0100, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: Hi, Am 25.02.2012 12:30, schrieb Caesar: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote What I meant was it feels mean

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Marc Grober
. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net wrote: From: Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 11:30 On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Carson Chittom
Marc Grober m...@interak.com writes: Frankly listservs make very poor knowledge bases for the obvious reasons, hence the efforts by some in other communities to distill the problem/resolution couplet into dynamic online docs where a user will find current comprehensive succinct and useful

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/25/2012 06:30 AM, Caesar wrote: If a poster insists that he be able to post in a manner that I find confusing and offensive, I can't even type it -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-24 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Caesar
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: I avoid the aggravation by having posts from

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-22 8:53 PM, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote: So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to continue top posting as one may feel appropriate as one may have done as an IT professional for the past 40 years and that if that upsets them they should seek professional

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 13:35 On 2012-02-22 8:53 PM, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote: So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to continue top posting

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Marc Grober
It would appear that true professionals should, as I think Tom has suggested, consider the actual guidelines as opposed to pontificating upon them as if they were running a gulag Hail and farewell On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-02-22

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote: From: Marc Grober m...@interak.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 15:17 It would appear

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thu 2/23/2012 10:39 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote: From: Marc

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 16:56 Tom, As a fellow users list taking content in my email stream, I have no issue with your chosen style of participation and with rare exception find

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-23 10:17 AM, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote: It would appear that true professionals should, as I think Tom has suggested, consider the actual guidelines that is precisely the point... the list guidelines for this list are to bottom post with appropriate trimming (aka

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Werner F. Bruhin
On 23/02/2012 17:39, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 +1 to what? It can not be the post which was below which I read as being a bit sarcastic, as Tom seems to ignore the guide lines. Tom does a lot of posts and I suggest that he considers my points below instead of just looking at providing a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
Diversity breeds serendipity! as a sort of 'war'-cry? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 18:50

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 23.02.2012 19:55, schrieb Werner F. Bruhin: Lists like this are a great archive and should be promoted as such, but I seriously think they loose a lot of interest with all this top posting which makes it difficult to find if the problem is the same as the one, one tries to find a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Werner F. Bruhin werner.bru...@free.fr wrote: From: Werner F. Bruhin werner.bru...@free.fr Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 18:55 On 23/02/2012 17:39, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 +1

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2012-02-23 12:57 PM Tom Davies wrote: It's not worth flogging a dead horse. He will not attempt to consider anyone else's point of view and if you dare to disagree he will just block you too. Hmmm, it might be wrth aiming for that now i think about it. Trying to get you to follow

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thu 2/23/2012 1:11 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting Hi :) With that trimming you will never know the answer to the question because it is out of context and forces anyone trying to answer to dig up the email where

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
, Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: From: Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 18:50 On 2012-02-23 10:17 AM, Marc Groberm...@interak.com wrote: It would appear that true professionals

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
: From: Jean-Louis Oneto jl.on...@free.fr Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 22:23 I fully agree with Tom and this list sounds more and more like a dictatorship-governed one: do it my way of f*ck off. I will probably f

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2012-02-22 1:19 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will top-post because that is what they are most familiar with. Office workers have almost never seen any alternative. Unless the office apps are not aimed at office users then it's

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: Your persistent top posting in reply to an inline posted thread shows a constant disregard for convention. Your failure to correct your lack of quote levels for the message replied to is reprehensible. You show utter

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread e-letter
On 22/02/2012, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: Your persistent top posting in reply to an inline posted thread shows a constant disregard for convention. Your failure to correct your lack of quote levels for

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread Marc Grober
So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to continue top posting as one may feel appropriate as one may have done as an IT professional for the past 40 years and that if that upsets them they should seek professional assistance? On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:28 PM, e-letter

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: I avoid the aggravation by having posts from Tom Davies automatically deleted. Now that is cold... -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-10 1:01 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: No wait, that is in account settings. probably a better place for it than in the global preferences. No, because certain accounts you may want to treat differently. Off hand, i would say that it should be configurable

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-10 1:36 AM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: QuoteCollapse collapses all but the last post in the thread. Works great on lists where people do not trim the messages they are replying to. I agree, been using it for many years... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-11 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 09/10/2011 09:59 AM, Twayne wrote: In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com typed: Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-11 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/11/11 1:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If you want bottom posting, and only bottom posting, then LO should make that as a clear decision and then that should be communicated when you sign up, and, it should be posted on a FAQ. Then, when some uninformed person top posts, a nicely

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Twayne
In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com typed: Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case ... I'm mobile and the mail app on

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Onyeibo Oku
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page? In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Oku twoho...@gmail.com typed: Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote: How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. I asked one

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Sergeant
On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote: With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen to use for replying to newsgroups. Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and doesn't properly do anything right for places like this. I think that single paragraph explains why this

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-09 12:21 AM Dave Sergeant wrote: I think that single paragraph explains why this thread has become so heated. YOU are reading this list on a NEWSGROUP. But the list is also available as a EMAIL LIST and an archive of that same EMAIL LIST on Nabble. I would hazard a guess that the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 11:37 PM, Ken Springer wrote: The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. MSOffice is widely used, dont use LibreOffice then. -- RMA. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread e-letter
On 09/09/2011, Dave Sergeant d...@davesergeant.com wrote: On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote: With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen to use for replying to newsgroups. Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and doesn't properly do anything right for places like

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-08 8:04 PM, Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com wrote: Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom? I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something about how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe. -- For unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/09/2011 02:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom? I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something about how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe. And let's notice it's a bit longer than de 4 lines of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 10:50 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: The headers state that you are using YahooMailClassic/14.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625 That is not an email client. It is, sorry. It's a web based MUA. That is an online web mail service (and a very poor one. Gmail works much better).

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 09:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I use a standard email client Do you even know what's a standard? -- RMA. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves on. It's not a big deal. When it happens occasionally or less, you're right. But, if too many people don't

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 7:04 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:50 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: The headers state that you are using YahooMailClassic/14.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625 That is not an email client. It is, sorry. It's a web based MUA. That is an online web mail service

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 2:40 AM, e-letter wrote: Anyway, reading the press about the demise of yet another md of yahoo, md= ? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2 Thunderbird 6.0.2 LibreOffice 3.3.3 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves on. It's not a big deal. When it happens occasionally or less, you're

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 12:21 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote: On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote: With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen to use for replying to newsgroups. Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and doesn't properly do anything right for places like this. I think

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 1:54 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 11:37 PM, Ken Springer wrote: The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. MSOffice is widely used, dont use LibreOffice then. Uhm, Tom Davies wrote that. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves on. It's not a big deal. When it

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people who would rather subscribe through a web interface. An idea would be,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Douglas
:01 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingList Guidelines Page? On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing lists

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread John McAtee
From: Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote: How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. I asked one question got no help. PLEASE take me off the list! To get off this list, you have to *unsubscribe*.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Dave Douglas wrote (09-09-11 18:25) How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. I asked one question got no help. PLEASE take me off the list! The same way as you subscribed, only the effect is in the

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 10:01 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people who would rather subscribe through

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
by =. Hopefully that helpsGood luck and regards fromTom :) --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: From: Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:37:51PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011-09-08 1:12 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable from the message. By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been clearer which were your answers.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 07:58:52PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults.  There are likely to be more people using such systems as LibreOffice becomes more popular.  Hold onto your hats! Is someone holding a gun to your head to

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with rather than try to alienate new users surely? I dont agree with you. There are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with rather than try to alienate new users

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 5:33 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-09 7:12 PM Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 5:33 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some programs will have an option to collapse quoted text. I suggest searching in addons.mozilla.org for a thunderbird extension that does that (I thought QuoteColors did it, but apparently it doesn't).

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Dave Sergeant
On 8 Sep 2011 at 8:45, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff is a pain. But if you want to top post, or bottom post, to each his own. This list seems to suffer from long sections of quoted text with sometimes just

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 6:45 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff is a pain. But if you want to top post, or bottom post, to each his own. It seems to me, an inherent problem with this kind of free for all in posting styles

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 04:24 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote: For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff is a pain. But if you want to top post, or bottom post, to each his own. This list seems to suffer from long sections of quoted text with sometimes just a single line of new

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-08, Dave Sergeant wrote: On 8 Sep 2011 at 8:45, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: [...] I am told by the way that top posting is far preferable to disabled people using reading aids, as they hardly want all the old stuff spoken by their machine before they get to

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Tom, On 9/8/11 6:13 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Top posting is fine. Almost everyone top-posts except some people in a few OpenSource mailing lists. If you need to communicate with anyone that works in an office then you probably have to top-post otherwise they will probably just ignore your

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 7:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Often you already know roughly what is going on and only need to read the latest post. If you're following only one thread/subthread in the messages, and have been able to keep up. :-D But I follow a lot of things, in a lot of places, and I often have

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 8:03 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Over the past few months there has been a steadily increasing amount of top-posting. It is not just one or 2 people. Outside of LibreOffice and OpenSource everyone else uses top-post almost exclusively. Smart phones make it difficult to post any other

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 8:20 AM, Chris Morgan wrote: In most cases top-posting is preferable. However, in this 'list' environment, bottom-posting and selective quoting works better for retaining context. However, we cannot enforce this without alienating the very people this list is aimed at (ie everyone), so

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 05:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: I think the core problems of this dilemma of where to post is lack of education, and lack of enforcement of the rules. Oh Ken, thay got education! but the kind of education saying: Well, let's quickly reply: the correcpondant will always understand

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 9:31 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 05:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: I think the core problems of this dilemma of where to post is lack of education, and lack of enforcement of the rules. Oh Ken, thay got education! but the kind of education saying: Well, let's

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
scrolling at all. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 16

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 11:14 AM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person reading). Top posting

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 11:37 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011-09-08 11:14 AM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
there and being used?  Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 18:53

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Nuno J. Silva
-sigh- let's see if I can get this attribution thing fixed... gnus-outlook-deuglify-article couldn't process this message On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote: On Thu, 8/9/11, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 9/8/11 11:37 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011-09-08 11:14 AM Tom Davies wrote:

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 12:10 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts. Bullshit. You continually do not show the proper attribution in the posts you reply to. You have not countered

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
?  Is LibreOffice not meant to be used in offices by office workers? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: From: Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-08 2:10 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts. Coming from you - someone who pretends that top posting advocates advocate blindly top-posting,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-08 2:58 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Why are people in here so determined to make things unpleasant and difficult for normal office workers? Why should 'normal office workers' be exempt from general rules of common courtesy? Sorry, Tom, you're a lazy ass, and a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote: On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote: Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might be.  The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers.  I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults.  There

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Don C. Myers
workers? Is LibreOffice not meant to be used in offices by office workers? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Nuno J. Silvanunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: From: Nuno J. Silvanunojsi...@ist.utl.pt Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
: Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 19:38 On 2011-09-08 12:10 PM  Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) No, he didn't.  He just showed that he has

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com wrote: From: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 1:12 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable from the message. By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been clearer which were your answers. Every line of the post I am replying to has a in front of it if

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 12:58 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults. There are likely to be more people using such systems as LibreOffice becomes more popular. Hold onto your hats! The headers state that you are using YahooMailClassic/14.0.5

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 1:09 PM, Don C. Myers wrote: Some of you have convinced me to use top posting, since it is better. Some of you have convinced me to use bottom posting, since it is better. Some of you have convinced me to do snipping, since it is better. Obviously there isn't a black and white

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 1:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable from the message. By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been clearer which were your answers. Sometimes interspersing becomes possible if i notice the other persons

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 12:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote: snip Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might be. The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. So, if painting graffiti all over walls and buildings was widely done, you'd be OK with them painting

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread e-letter
On 08/09/2011, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person reading).

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread e-letter
On 08/09/2011, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ... Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might be. The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. Do we want to stop office workers from using LibreOffice? Alienating them would be a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Don C. Myers
Hi All, On 09/08/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: *My Big Concern* here is how are we being perceived by those who come here for help by the amount of time that has been spent on this thread today. I was one of the first responders last night. Never did I dream when I went to bed last night

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 6:04 PM, Don C. Myers wrote: Hi All, On 09/08/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: *My Big Concern* here is how are we being perceived by those who come here for help by the amount of time that has been spent on this thread today. I was one of the first responders last night. Never did

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-07 Thread NoOp
On 09/07/2011 05:02 PM, NoOp wrote: ... Added Note: I've set the 'Followup-to' on this message to the discuss list as I think that is more the appropriate location for continued discussion of the issue. But I posted here initially on the users list as this is the list that really needs the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-07 Thread Don Myers
On 09/07/2011 08:13 PM, NoOp wrote: On 09/07/2011 05:02 PM, NoOp wrote: ... Added Note: I've set the 'Followup-to' on this message to the discuss list as I think that is more the appropriate location for continued discussion of the issue. But I posted here initially on the users list as this

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-07 Thread NoOp
On 09/07/2011 07:33 PM, planas wrote: Hi On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 21:29 -0400, Don Myers wrote: ... Hi All, I will respect your wishes about posting at the bottom. I live in the US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job, and receive a lot of work e-mails. I never receive any e-mails where

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