Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread HBarr
On 03/10/2012 11:58, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/02/2012 07:19 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Jay Lozier wrote: snip From the comments on the list, the weakest part of LO is Base. However, my observation is most people find learning any true database daunting and thus do not learn how to use any

[libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 03.10.2012 09:23, HBarr wrote: Hi, I am a database user and emphasis on the word *user*. I like learning new stuff too and Base is a challenge. I want LObase to work so I will contribute feedback whenever I can but no more than that because I haven't learnt to code or programme...yet. I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97 (15-year-old software) could do, and do it just as well and

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Sorry no-obne has replied to you so far!  It sounds like a bug.  So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it.  Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread Eduardo Santos Anton Sama
Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Even if you are a dev it's still good to have a report to work from (i guess, tbh i don't really know but i likel being able to tick things off when i've completed something).  If you have no experience writing for LO and would like to start then it might be best to start with a couple

[libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

2012-10-03 Thread John Clegg
I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in Calc gives St George'S Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying feature?? LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

2012-10-03 Thread Joel Madero
That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla. bugs.freedesktop.org If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy thing to fix. Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote: I have just discovered

Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

2012-10-03 Thread Joel Madero
Already a bug, don't worry about reporting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53146 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla. bugs.freedesktop.org If it's not there, go ahead

Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

2012-10-03 Thread John Clegg
Sorry, I should have checked. It is 53146 On 3 October 2012 16:19, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla. bugs.freedesktop.org If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy thing to fix.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
On 10/03/2012 05:41 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
Never heard of MeeGo. Any reason you could not use a more main stream Linux OS that might not have the issue? I do not have a Netbook/tablet combo, so I do not know which OS would be best. My only tablet is an Android. I find that a tablet is no good for any real typing work because of

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread Eduardo Santos Anton Sama
The same problem occurs in Ubuntu running on the same hardware. 2012/10/3 webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Never heard of MeeGo. Any reason you could not use a more main stream Linux OS that might not have the issue? I do not have a Netbook/tablet combo, so I do not know

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
Maybe someone on this list know of a great netbook/tablet system OS that does not have this issue. As I said, I never had one of those convertible or seen one that was not Android. On 10/03/2012 12:42 PM, Eduardo Santos Anton Sama wrote: The same problem occurs in Ubuntu running on the

Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode

2012-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) MeeGo was a very standard GnuLinux distro.  It's discontinued at the moment and i'm not sure if it's going to be re-continued.  Possibly, perhaps but it looks like The Linux Foundation are taking it in a slightly different direction and calling it Tizen https://www.tizen.org/ See

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Jay Lozier
On 10/03/2012 11:28 AM, Chad Homan wrote: I should be following this tread more closely. But does anyone have links to any M$ sites that spell out the details of the rentals? Also, what happens to people using older versions of office (like officeXP, etc). Will they roll forward into this

Formats, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Yeh, people are weird sometimes.  I'm sure some people would have peaceful pro-war protests or fight for peace given half a chance.  One client group claimed they didn't know how to use Save As ... so i sent them screen-shots and then the month after i even visited them to show them by

Renting MS Office (next release), was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I suspect a good place to start might be somewhere like http://www.microsoft.com but it might still only be written for a certain web-browser and might render badly on yours (or even block you).  I think they sorted it out now but for ages it just wouldn't work. Regards from Tom :) 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Doug
On 10/03/2012 01:20 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ One commenter noted that most SOHO users do not need the collaboration features in MSO (or any office suite). Also, I am not sure that many of the collaboration features are used extensively in large organizations.sides. I guess I don't

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 03/10/2012 at 20:23, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: I guess I don't understand something here. Almost 20 years ago, I wrote user manuals for equipment I designed, and had the software engineer modify them as required for the user programming requirements. (This was for

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Keller
In many (most) companies/organizations (other than IT) the managers have quite little own knowledge in IT why they do not have many alternatives: they have to buy the IT from outside (more or less) experts or build up a IT-dept of their own. Dedicated IT departments are well known and well

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems

2012-10-03 Thread Wolfgang Keller
A.so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons The point is not whether someone is IT-illiterate or not, but whether (s)he is aware of the limits of his/her IT

[libreoffice-users] Import XML files?

2012-10-03 Thread Mark Stanton
I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically). I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow. I thougth Calc would be a good bet, but it just gives me General I/O error. Base does the same. The website

Re: [libreoffice-users] Import XML files?

2012-10-03 Thread Joel Madero
Have you tried with a recent release of LibO? 3.4.6 is pretty old On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote: I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically). I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow. I thougth Calc

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2012-10-03 22:41, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97

Re: [libreoffice-users] Import XML files?

2012-10-03 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2012-10-04 07:54, Mark Stanton wrote: I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically). I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow. I thougth Calc would be a good bet, but it just gives me General I/O error. Base does the same. The website

[libreoffice-users] errors in file translation

2012-10-03 Thread Roland Graham
Please read the attached file in both Excel and Libre Office. The (what I assume are) hard coded integers in the cells are coming out with grossly inflated values, almost 10 time as big as they are in Excel. I am using a Ubuntu supplied version 3.5.4.2 BuildID:350m1(Build:2). Thanks, Roland

[libreoffice-users] LibO Writer: Problem with setting double lined borders on page

2012-10-03 Thread AG
Hi Two GNU/Linux Debian machines each running LibO. One (box A) has LibO 3.6.2.2 and the second (box B) has LibO 3.5.4.2. In box B, there was a set of pre-formatted documents saved in *.odt that had a double lined border around the page. On opening one of these files today, this double line

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/02/2012 07:19 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: snip Girvin, Most people I have talked to about databases find them less intuitive than other typical office and general software. Jay, Yes, I can agree to that. Working with databases is not plug-n-play. It

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Jay Lozier
On 10/03/2012 02:23 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/03/2012 01:20 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ One commenter noted that most SOHO users do not need the collaboration features in MSO (or any office suite). Also, I am not sure that many of the collaboration features are used extensively in large

[libreoffice-users] SQL and Databases Was MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

2012-10-03 Thread Jay Lozier
On 10/03/2012 04:04 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/02/2012 07:19 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: snip Girvin, Most people I have talked to about databases find them less intuitive than other typical office and general software. Jay, Yes, I can agree to that.

Re: [libreoffice-users] LibO Writer: Problem with setting double lined borders on page

2012-10-03 Thread AG
On 03/10/12 21:43, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/03/2012 03:57 PM, AG wrote: Hi Two GNU/Linux Debian machines each running LibO. One (box A) has LibO 3.6.2.2 and the second (box B) has LibO 3.5.4.2. In box B, there was a set of pre-formatted documents saved in *.odt that had a double lined border

[libreoffice-users] Update SQL does nothing using Run SQL directly button

2012-10-03 Thread David S. Crampton
Register1a is a table with field Trans-Date of type TIMESTAMP. Field Trans-Date-Year is either TIMESTAMP or INTERGER. I have tried with both. Update Register1a Set Register1a.Trans-Date-Year = YEAR(Register1a.Trans-Date); Looks like is should be a very simple SQL statement. It does absolutely

Re: [libreoffice-users] [Writer] Data to Fields is not working

2012-10-03 Thread Dan Lewis
On 10/03/2012 04:55 PM, Miros?aw Zalewski wrote: Hi I can not make Date to Fields button working. Steps that I try: 1. Open new Writer document 2. Press F4 (or View ? Data Sources) 3. Select bibliography table biblio 4. Press left-most cell of any row to select entire row (without this step

[libreoffice-users] documentation for LO base

2012-10-03 Thread Ken Brucker
Is there any documentation for LibreOffice Base? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:

Re: [libreoffice-users] documentation for LO base

2012-10-03 Thread Dan Lewis
On 10/03/2012 08:41 PM, Ken Brucker wrote: Is there any documentation for LibreOffice Base? There is the beginning of the Base Guide available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications. Three chapters are presently available: Chapter 8 of the Getting Started Guide

Re: [libreoffice-users] Update SQL does nothing using Run SQL directly button

2012-10-03 Thread John Clegg
Base will only run SELECT statements that way. If you want to use other than SELECT the only way IIRC is to use Tools-SQL which opens Execute SQL statement but can only handle typed stuff, not stored queries. It is useful for one-off tasks such as merging two tables into one or doing a field