Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Dr. R. O Stapf]

On 16.10.2012 09:40, Jean-Louis Oneto wrote:

I used the following:
http://www.crackpdf.com/
but not the Pro version which allows to make brute force attack, but then, they warn you that it 
will take _a_long_time_ !!!
To remove simple protections, it was really fast, but they unlock the file without retrieving the 
password (or at least they don't display it)

Reards,
Jean-Louis 


Jean-Louis, thanks for the hint and link!




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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 21:13 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
could anyone tell me which formula I should 
use for the integer part of a cell to be shown 
in another cell, and for the value of this 
cell to be changed, since, for example, 5,77 would become equal to 5?


The answer could be:
a >>write following formula in(e.g.)cellD3" =IF(c3<1;0;INT(c3))"


When I tried to give an answer to Gilles' basic 
question I proposed "my" formula based on the 
reality that I have never experienced negative 
voting.  The very interesting (theoretical) 
discussion this caused shows that there may be several correct solutions.


I can imagine that Gilles (and me too) is 
curious to know what is the best answer to his 
problem.  Even if I did (I admit) some 
"overthinking" I cannot see that my answer is wrong.


No, your answer was not wrong, but it was 
unnecessarily complicated - like adding zero to 
something: not wrong but pointless and 
confusing.  For non-negative C3, 
"=IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))" is identical to and no better than "=INT(C3)".



So, what is the best way for Gilles to continue?


Using INT(), as was suggested in the very first 
reply (before any of my comments).


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 11:56 15/10/2012 -0400, James Knott wrote:

Brian Barker wrote:

Now you are assuming (1) that negative election results are possible,


I was just posting in reference to comment about negative numbers 
and not the original post.


That makes your suggestion (of applying ABS() to the values) even 
more surprising!  If you get a negative value and you are surprised 
by it, you had better determine what has gone wrong - perhaps a 
mistake either in data entry or else in the algorithm used in your 
calculations.  If your deliberations lead you to replace the negative 
value by a positive one, it would be very naive to imagine that the 
equivalent positive value is necessarily any more appropriate than 
any other non-negative value.


If your bank manager reports that you are overdrawn, do you make a 
correcting deposit or do you merely offer the helpful suggestion that 
s/he should use correcting fluid to excise the negative sign from 
your balance?  If you believe there is a valuable mineral deposit ten 
metres under your back garden but you do not fancy digging down to 
it, do you simply build a ten-meter tower instead and expect to 
harvest the deposit up in the air?  If you have three metres of 
string available and need to use five metres of it, does that mean 
you will have two metres left over?


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

[Robert Burns]

Weird what are i missing here; no comments included ??? 

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Ledger Consulting  wrote:


From: Ledger Consulting 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
To: "Lostsoul" , users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:33 PM


Bxww d 
Sent from my MetroPCS Android Device

Lostsoul  wrote:

>    wow those formats seem so old hum nothing better to save as when i use 
>libre ?
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
>To: "Lostsoul" 
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 2:55 PM
>
>
>Hi :) 
>One of the MS Word ones is what we were looking for.  Is there one that 
>DOESN'T say "template" and IS for Word 97, 2000, 2003 or Xp?  Hopefully the 
>list might show the file-ending as .doc 
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Robert Burns <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>From: Robert Burns <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
>To: "anne-ology" <[hidden email]>, "Tom Davies" <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:13 
>
> Ok  tryed another doc to save as; guess its a different format and these 
>formats have been add ed to save as ODI  and  Cxw  and  Stw and 5 
>types/formats of Ms Word  . . 
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
>From: Tom Davies <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
>To: "Robert Burns" <[hidden email]>, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:54 AM 
>
>
>
>
>Hi :) 
>Hmmm, none of those sound even vaguely right.  Hopefully there are some more 
>options if ou scroll backwards up the list?  
>Regards from 
>Tom :)   
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Robert Burns <[hidden email]> 
>To: anne-ology <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: [hidden email] 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 0:44 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
>
> Ok trying saved  as but i see 6 choices so wondering whats the difference 
>and which is better and does libre like one format above all ? 
>  
>  RTF /  Text ? Html /  MHT /  WPt  and   WPS  . . . 
>
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, anne-ology <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
>From: anne-ology <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: [hidden email] 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:17 PM 
>
>
>   When you save the document, click on 'save as' rather than 'save' - 
>          when you see the boxes come up, choose the suffix desired, then 
>choose the folder desired; simple. 
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
> Ok will try that but can i get a save doc switched over to save as and 
>then choose a better format or maybe i ll try all saved as formats ? ? 
>
>
>
>From: anne-ology [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:02 PM 
>
>
>
>       A simple solution is to always use 'save as' rather than 'save' - 
>           then you merely choose the desired suffix as well as the desired 
>folder; 
>       with 'save', the computer does its own thing  ;-) 
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Andreas Säger <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>
>
>> >      Ok now what the ***; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right *** .   -  later 
>> > 
>> 
>> I strongly recommend some computer crash course. File name associations 
>> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>> the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
>> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
>> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

[Ledger Consulting]

Bxww d 
Sent from my MetroPCS Android Device

Lostsoul  wrote:

>    wow those formats seem so old hum nothing better to save as when i use 
>libre ?
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
>To: "Lostsoul" 
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 2:55 PM
>
>
>Hi :) 
>One of the MS Word ones is what we were looking for.  Is there one that 
>DOESN'T say "template" and IS for Word 97, 2000, 2003 or Xp?  Hopefully the 
>list might show the file-ending as .doc 
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Robert Burns <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>From: Robert Burns <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
>To: "anne-ology" <[hidden email]>, "Tom Davies" <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:13 
>
> Ok  tryed another doc to save as; guess its a different format and these 
>formats have been add ed to save as ODI  and  Cxw  and  Stw and 5 
>types/formats of Ms Word  . . 
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
>From: Tom Davies <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
>To: "Robert Burns" <[hidden email]>, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:54 AM 
>
>
>
>
>Hi :) 
>Hmmm, none of those sound even vaguely right.  Hopefully there are some more 
>options if ou scroll backwards up the list?  
>Regards from 
>Tom :)   
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Robert Burns <[hidden email]> 
>To: anne-ology <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: [hidden email] 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 0:44 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
>
> Ok trying saved  as but i see 6 choices so wondering whats the difference 
>and which is better and does libre like one format above all ? 
>  
>  RTF /  Text ? Html /  MHT /  WPt  and   WPS  . . . 
>
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, anne-ology <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
>From: anne-ology <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Cc: [hidden email] 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:17 PM 
>
>
>   When you save the document, click on 'save as' rather than 'save' - 
>          when you see the boxes come up, choose the suffix desired, then 
>choose the folder desired; simple. 
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
> Ok will try that but can i get a save doc switched over to save as and 
>then choose a better format or maybe i ll try all saved as formats ? ? 
>
>
>
>From: anne-ology [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:02 PM 
>
>
>
>       A simple solution is to always use 'save as' rather than 'save' - 
>           then you merely choose the desired suffix as well as the desired 
>folder; 
>       with 'save', the computer does its own thing  ;-) 
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Andreas Säger <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>
>
>> >      Ok now what the ***; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right *** .   -  later 
>> > 
>> 
>> I strongly recommend some computer crash course. File name associations 
>> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>> the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
>> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
>> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Jean-Louis Oneto]

I used the following:
http://www.crackpdf.com/
but not the Pro version which allows to make brute force attack, but 
then, they warn you that it will take _a_long_time_ !!!
To remove simple protections, it was really fast, but they unlock the 
file without retrieving the password (or at least they don't display it)

Reards,
Jean-Louis

On 16/10/2012 00:23, Dr. R. O Stapf wrote:





On 16.10.2012 03:32, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The trick is to try to remember what you might have been thinking 
about at the time.  If that's even possible for anyone!


There is no password cracking functionality or Extension for LO it's 
just the inept way MS fails to implement security.  Just double-click 
on an xls or open LO and drop the xls into it or open LO and choose

File - Open
to navigate to and open the xls.  File opens.

My company's finance department asked me to add something to one of 
their spreadsheets but 'forgot' to tell me the password.  One of them 
rushed down to give me the password but was somewhat mortified to 
find i had already made the change without having the slightest idea 
that there even was a password.  There was a very cofusing 
conversation where neither of us had a clue what the other was 
talking about until i figured it out.


The company still uses Excel and still attempts to 'protect' those 
spreadsheets with passwords that don't work.  Occasionally people 
give me other files they want cracked which gives me a morale dilemma 
each time.  Usually i just give a really half-hearted non-effort and 
then fob them off.

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf  wrote:

From: Dr. R. O Stapf 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:30


On 15.10.2012 23:11, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:

LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how 
LO files can be cracked? Can the

MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
Thanks in advance for comments.



xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
"protected" xls ignoring the password.
Thanks for the information. It seems that my version of LO 3.5.6.2 is 
too young to ignore the PW of

an xls file.

However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get 
forgotten (not and MS file)?

Hints are welcome for the future.



Thanks to all of you providing me with lots of hints on not to forget 
passwords or prepare in advance for it.
The SW I am using to crack an xls-file runs already for more than 60 h 
in the background. It's a nothing to loose only to win job. 6 or 8 
digits alphanumeric no special characters is the PW used.


Thereafter I will make a test cracking an LO file.

The only thing which makes me wonder is that there are PW removing SW 
commercially availabe which run demos and claim within 10 - 30 sec 
they could remove the PW but open the xls file only when I purchase a 
full license.


Does someone has experience with such a SW?




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

[Lostsoul]

    wow those formats seem so old hum nothing better to save as when i use 
libre ?

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
 wrote:


From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 2:55 PM


Hi :) 
One of the MS Word ones is what we were looking for.  Is there one that DOESN'T 
say "template" and IS for Word 97, 2000, 2003 or Xp?  Hopefully the list might 
show the file-ending as .doc 
Regards from 
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Robert Burns <[hidden email]> wrote: 

From: Robert Burns <[hidden email]> 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
To: "anne-ology" <[hidden email]>, "Tom Davies" <[hidden email]> 
Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> 
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:13 

 Ok  tryed another doc to save as; guess its a different format and these 
formats have been add ed to save as ODI  and  Cxw  and  Stw and 5 types/formats 
of Ms Word  . . 

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote: 


From: Tom Davies <[hidden email]> 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 
To: "Robert Burns" <[hidden email]>, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> 
Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:54 AM 




Hi :) 
Hmmm, none of those sound even vaguely right.  Hopefully there are some more 
options if ou scroll backwards up the list?  
Regards from 
Tom :)   









From: Robert Burns <[hidden email]> 
To: anne-ology <[hidden email]> 
Cc: [hidden email] 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 0:44 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . . 

 Ok trying saved  as but i see 6 choices so wondering whats the difference 
and which is better and does libre like one format above all ? 
  
  RTF /  Text ? Html /  MHT /  WPt  and   WPS  . . . 

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, anne-ology <[hidden email]> wrote: 


From: anne-ology <[hidden email]> 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
Cc: [hidden email] 
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:17 PM 


   When you save the document, click on 'save as' rather than 'save' - 
          when you see the boxes come up, choose the suffix desired, then 
choose the folder desired; simple. 




On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 


 Ok will try that but can i get a save doc switched over to save as and 
then choose a better format or maybe i ll try all saved as formats ? ? 



From: anne-ology [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:02 PM 



       A simple solution is to always use 'save as' rather than 'save' - 
           then you merely choose the desired suffix as well as the desired 
folder; 
       with 'save', the computer does its own thing  ;-) 





On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Andreas Säger <[hidden email]> wrote: 

Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 


> >      Ok now what the ***; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right *** .   -  later 
> > 
> 
> I strongly recommend some computer crash course. File name associations 
> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
> the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 
> 
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If you reply to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading

[rost52]

Hi Tink, as Steve pointed out there was a misunderstanding.

I was talking about "heading" in the sense of
1. topic a
1.1 topic b
1.2 topic c

I did not mean the "header" of the page.
But thanks for your attempt. I will make a bug/enhancement report an propose 
the method you mentioned.


On 16.10.2012 04:31, Tinkerer wrote:

Alternatively.  try putting the cursor inside the blue drop down which
describes the Header style.
I have a Mac system 10.8.2

Tink.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Dr. R. O Stapf]

On 16.10.2012 03:32, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The trick is to try to remember what you might have been thinking about at the 
time.  If that's even possible for anyone!

There is no password cracking functionality or Extension for LO it's just the 
inept way MS fails to implement security.  Just double-click on an xls or open 
LO and drop the xls into it or open LO and choose
File - Open
to navigate to and open the xls.  File opens.

My company's finance department asked me to add something to one of their 
spreadsheets but 'forgot' to tell me the password.  One of them rushed down to 
give me the password but was somewhat mortified to find i had already made the 
change without having the slightest idea that there even was a password.  There 
was a very cofusing conversation where neither of us had a clue what the other 
was talking about until i figured it out.

The company still uses Excel and still attempts to 'protect' those spreadsheets 
with passwords that don't work.  Occasionally people give me other files they 
want cracked which gives me a morale dilemma each time.  Usually i just give a 
really half-hearted non-effort and then fob them off.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Dr. R. O Stapf 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:30


On 15.10.2012 23:11, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:

LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files can 
be cracked? Can the
MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
Thanks in advance for comments.



xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
"protected" xls ignoring the password.

Thanks for the information. It seems that my version of LO 3.5.6.2 is too young 
to ignore the PW of
an xls file.

However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get forgotten (not 
and MS file)?
Hints are welcome for the future.



Thanks to all of you providing me with lots of hints on not to forget passwords or prepare in 
advance for it.
The SW I am using to crack an xls-file runs already for more than 60 h in the background. It's a 
nothing to loose only to win job. 6 or 8 digits alphanumeric no special characters is the PW used.


Thereafter I will make a test cracking an LO file.

The only thing which makes me wonder is that there are PW removing SW commercially availabe which 
run demos and claim within 10 - 30 sec they could remove the PW but open the xls file only when I 
purchase a full license.


Does someone has experience with such a SW?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

When my cat was alive, he use to lay on the keyboard and not move.  He 
wanted the attention I gave the computer, since he was not getting it.  
I am not going to tell you how many time he messed thing up for me when 
he did that.  He use to lay down on, or sit on, the closed laptop just 
to tell me what he thought of it getting all his attention he should be 
getting and was not.


I just has to call my cell phone, a few minutes ago, to find where I put 
it down to.  Of course it was hiding in plain site, and in its new case 
I just got on Saturday.


Sometimes, no matter what we do, we can forget the important or loose 
things in plain site.


The same goes for passwords.  I bet it is something "simple" you would 
think to use but your mind refuses to remember.  I was thinking about 
needing to remember to web search a TV series title last night just 
after I turned the light out.  I should have written it down, since I 
cannot remember what it was at all this morning and all day today.  When 
I do not want to know what it is, then I MAY remember it, if it is not 
lost forever.


Hopefully you will have more luck than I have with remembering such 
things.  That is why I have a list of passwords I use, with some that I 
just use if there is a need for one but not a need to keep it from 
getting out.  "pumpkin" is the style of such a password.  Actually I 
love to use characters in stories I use to write when I was in school 
and needed something to relay me.




On 10/15/2012 03:20 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 10/15/2012 02:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Cat on the keyboard?  Keys in the pocket?
Regards from
Tom :)

Your cats spell better than mine (LOL)

--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Ledger Consulting  wrote:

From: Ledger Consulting 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
To: ville...@t-online.de, users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:30

gvfe ..dtnd e eeir2
Sent from my MetroPCS Android Device

Andreas Säger  wrote:


Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:

LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files can 
be cracked? Can the
MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
Thanks in advance for comments.



xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
"protected" xls ignoring the password.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Dr. R. O Stapf]

On 16.10.2012 02:14, MR ZenWiz wrote:

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Ledger Consulting
 wrote:

gvfe ..dtnd e eeir2


What?


encrypted message - problem is that I cannot understand it.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Indexing for Search not working?

[teatimest]

Hi Tom. Thank you for your suggestion. I went back to the v3.4.6 that I have
the installer. I am rebuilding the search index and try to see if v3.4.6
allows me to search indexed contents again. The indexing worked there, so
I'm hoping this will work.

If not, I will try changing the profile. I tried to find similar bug report
but couldn't find one. Is your indexing working?

Tea



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[libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading

[Tinkerer]

Alternatively.  try putting the cursor inside the blue drop down which
describes the Header style.
I have a Mac system 10.8.2

Tink.



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[libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
A huge +1 really.  Just +1 doesn't really get close! 
Definitely impressive work from Stuart there!  "Above and beyond" gets
closer.  

I tried voting but found that really unclear, and i
have been editing wiki's for a while now.  I was able to add a comment
in support but i'm not sure if it's the type of thing they are looking
for.  

Stuart also gave links to the relevant bug-reports and i
have a feeling it might be easier to post comments there but only if
they help the devs get closer to fixing the problems, such as version
number of LO you are using and which OS (Windows Xp, Ubuntu or whatever)

I think the wiki wanted more conversational type comments but i wasn't sure 
what i should say.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Kevin Cussick
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From: Kevin Cussick 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Reality Check - Windows Java 
Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
To: "V Stuart Foote" 
Cc: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org, libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, 
us...@glogal.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 20:04

Hello,

No apology needed Stuart. You have done more than most and i would like to take 
this opportunity to thank you on list.

I knew the LO was not right but I now am pleased that someone from LO is now 
agreeing with me.  Anyway. moving on, I will take a look at the link to vote on 
the ticket to get accessibleIa2 added
 into the code for LO.  Let 
me once again thank you for all your effort and hard work on this. OK we don't 
have the result we would like but now we know we can maybe try and get a fix 
for it.


On 15/10/2012 01:10, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java 
> Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles 
> for Windows users.
>
> It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle 
> test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not 
> implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose 
> accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies.
>
> Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will 
> make a difference.
>
> I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of 
> which are functional.
>
> In
 addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 
3.5.7rc2.  With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java 
Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles.
>
> The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role 
> mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 
> 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice.  And, for these versions Windows  
> Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader 
> will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire 
> document tree.
>
> Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, 
> are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable 
> with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point.
>
> For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with 
> LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge
 and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was 
wrong--I apologize.
> I've updated the FDO#53474 (http:  bug report 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage 
> folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 
> API  ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows 
> builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a 
> replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest 
> means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level 
> as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs.
>
> Stuart
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Jay Lozier]

On 10/15/2012 02:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Cat on the keyboard?  Keys in the pocket?
> Regards from
> Tom :)  
Your cats spell better than mine (LOL)
>
> --- On Mon, 15/10/12, Ledger Consulting  wrote:
>
> From: Ledger Consulting 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
> To: ville...@t-online.de, users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:30
>
> gvfe ..dtnd e eeir2 
> Sent from my MetroPCS Android Device
>
> Andreas Säger  wrote:
>
>> Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:
>>> LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
>>> Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files 
>>> can be cracked? Can the
>>> MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
>>> Thanks in advance for comments.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
>> is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
>> "protected" xls ignoring the password.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Indexing for Search not working?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Have you tried renaming your User Profile to see if that fixes it?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile

Which 3.4.x are you returning to?  Does the indexing work there?  Have you been 
able to post a bug-report about the issue?  I think they want to know roughly 
which version is the earliest one where the problem appeared.  
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, teatimest  wrote:

From: teatimest 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Indexing for Search not working?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 20:04

I'm going back to v3.4 for now. I hope this issue is going to be solved
quickly.

Tea



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Indexing for Search not working?

[teatimest]

I'm going back to v3.4 for now. I hope this issue is going to be solved
quickly.

Tea



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
One of the MS Word ones is what we were looking for.  Is there one that DOESN'T 
say "template" and IS for Word 97, 2000, 2003 or Xp?  Hopefully the list might 
show the file-ending as .doc
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Robert Burns  wrote:

From: Robert Burns 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
To: "anne-ology" , "Tom Davies" 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:13

 Ok  tryed another doc to save as; guess its a different format and these 
formats have been add ed to save as ODI  and  Cxw  and  Stw and 5 types/formats 
of Ms Word  . .

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
To: "Robert Burns" , "anne-ology" 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:54 AM




Hi :)
Hmmm, none of those sound even vaguely right.  Hopefully there are some more 
options if ou scroll backwards up the list?  
Regards from
Tom :)   









From: Robert Burns 
To: anne-ology  
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 0:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

 Ok trying saved  as but i see 6 choices so wondering whats the difference 
and which is better and does libre like one format above all ?
 
  RTF /  Text ? Html /  MHT /  WPt  and   WPS  . . .

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, anne-ology  wrote:


From: anne-ology 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:17 PM


   When you save the document, click on 'save as' rather than 'save' -
          when you see the boxes come up, choose the suffix desired, then 
choose the folder desired; simple.




On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Lostsoul  wrote:


 Ok will try that but can i get a save doc switched over to save as and 
then choose a better format or maybe i ll try all saved as formats ? ?



From: anne-ology [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 


Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:02 PM



       A simple solution is to always use 'save as' rather than 'save' -
           then you merely choose the desired suffix as well as the desired
folder;
       with 'save', the computer does its own thing  ;-)





On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Andreas Säger <[hidden email]> wrote:

Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote:

> >      Ok now what the ***; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi
> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right *** .   -  later
> >
>
> I strongly recommend some computer crash course. File name associations
> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any
> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment
> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is
> the preferred one to be used on double-click.
> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off
> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is
> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
The trick is to try to remember what you might have been thinking about at the 
time.  If that's even possible for anyone!  

There is no password cracking functionality or Extension for LO it's just the 
inept way MS fails to implement security.  Just double-click on an xls or open 
LO and drop the xls into it or open LO and choose 
File - Open
to navigate to and open the xls.  File opens.  

My company's finance department asked me to add something to one of their 
spreadsheets but 'forgot' to tell me the password.  One of them rushed down to 
give me the password but was somewhat mortified to find i had already made the 
change without having the slightest idea that there even was a password.  There 
was a very cofusing conversation where neither of us had a clue what the other 
was talking about until i figured it out.  

The company still uses Excel and still attempts to 'protect' those spreadsheets 
with passwords that don't work.  Occasionally people give me other files they 
want cracked which gives me a morale dilemma each time.  Usually i just give a 
really half-hearted non-effort and then fob them off.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf  wrote:

From: Dr. R. O Stapf 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:30


On 15.10.2012 23:11, Andreas Säger wrote:
> Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:
>> LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
>> Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files 
>> can be cracked? Can the
>> MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
>> Thanks in advance for comments.
>>
>>
>
> xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
> is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
> "protected" xls ignoring the password.
Thanks for the information. It seems that my version of LO 3.5.6.2 is too young 
to ignore the PW of 
an xls file.

However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get forgotten (not 
and MS file)?
Hints are welcome for the future.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Cat on the keyboard?  Keys in the pocket?
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: Ledger Consulting 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
To: ville...@t-online.de, users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 15:30

gvfe ..dtnd e eeir2 
Sent from my MetroPCS Android Device

Andreas Säger  wrote:

>Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:
>> LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
>> Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files 
>> can be cracked? Can the
>> MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
>> Thanks in advance for comments.
>> 
>> 
>
>
>xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
>is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
>"protected" xls ignoring the password.
>
>
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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number

[Pertti Rönnberg]

Hi everybody,
When I tried to give an answer to Gilles' basic question I proposed "my" 
formula based on the reality that I have never experienced negative voting.
The very interesting (theoretical) discussion this caused shows that 
there may be several correct solutions.


I can imagine that Gilles (and me too) is curious to know what is the 
best answer to his problem.
Even if I did (I admit) some "overthinking" I cannot see that my answer 
is wrong.


So, what is the best way for Gilles to continue?
Pertti Rönnberg


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number
Date:   Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:49:51 +0300
From:   Pertti Rönnberg 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org



Good morning Gilles & others,

Provided that I got your problem right,

I think the answer is:

SumVotes_group1 = 5,78(in Calc e.g. in cellC3)

SumVotes_group2 = 7,34(in C4)

SumVotes_group3= 0,78(in C5)

SumVotes_ group4= 0,99(in C6)

The answer could be:

a >>write following formula in(e.g.)cellD3" =IF(c3<1;0;INT(c3))"

b >>copy the formula to d4..d6

The formula translated into english:

"if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' then d3 shall be '0', else (-- 
if c3 is '1' or bigger then -- ) use the integer of value in c3)"


I hope this is of help.

Pertti Rönnberg




On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:

Hello,

could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part of a
cell to be shown in another cell, and for the value of this cell to be
changed, since, for example, 5,77 would become equal to 5?

When finding out who won in an election, if one group or party gets a
result of 5,28, they get 5 seats, if the result is 0,77, they get no seat
at all, I would then want the figure 5 and the figure 0 to appear in a
cell.

But I need the real value to be 5 and 0, not only to be shown as such,
since these values (0 and not 0,77) will be used in another operation (to
know which group gets the last remaining seat).

I hope my question is not too unclear, thank you for your answers anyway,

G. Siche







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
Except that i've never seen a virus doing exactly that before, but then i don't 
see the effects of many viruses.  I should try to keep one machine insecure 
deliberately in order to recognise the way these things look.  Also i've not 
heard of a virus affecting LO before.  I've heard of a theoretical possibility 
a couple of times.  The release of the 3.5.0 dealt with the only feasibly 
realistic potential threat (allegedly)
Regards from
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From: anne-ology 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 16:23

       Since you're asking nicely, I'll respond;
           have you read Tom's responses to you?, have you clicked on the
URLs he's included?, ...

       Sounds to me as if your machine may have a virus; are your A-V, et.al.
programs up-to-date and functioning?



On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Lostsoul  wrote:

Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines
> to the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how
> do i end that ?
>
>
>
>
> From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <
> ml-node+s969070n4013298...@n3.nabble.com>
> Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" 
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM
>
>
> Hi :)
> To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just
> rename your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is
> another link that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
>
> Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had
> installed so it may look a little different and may remove some
> weirdnesses.  It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going
> on.  It usually beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper
> version of LO.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37
>
>      Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate
> windows 7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare;
> you'd be the first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no
> one has a fix; this i got to hear.
>
> How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .
>
>
>
>
> From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM
>
>
> Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote:
> >      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as
> adobi docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later
> >
>
> I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations
> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any
> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment
> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is
> the preferred one to be used on double-click.
> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off
> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is
> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system.
>
>

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Indexing for Search not working?

[gruesser]

Same here on Mac, OS 10.5.8, Libreoffice 3.6.2.2. Spotlight does not find
odt-documents. Looking into console, I find the message

"15.10.12 15:47:43 mdworker[116] Cannot find function pointer
MetadataImporterPluginFactory for factory
A3FCC88D-B9A6-4364-8B93-92123C8A2D18 in CFBundle/CFPlugIn 0x1664c0

(bundle, loaded) 
15.10.12 15:47:43 mdworker[116] (Warning) ImportPluginLoading: Plugin at url
'Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter/ --
/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/' cannot be loaded.  It will
not be used."

My fault or a bug in Libreoffice?

Thanks, gruesser



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 15/10/2012 18:00, Dr. R. O Stapf a écrit :
>
> On 15.10.2012 23:46, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
>> Le 15/10/2012 16:30, Dr. R. O Stapf a écrit :
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get
>>> forgotten (not and MS file)?
>>> Hints are welcome for the future.
>> Buy a super-computer, launch a brute force algorithm and pray that the
>> password is a short word from the standard English vocabulary.
>>
>> [...]
>>
> Thanks to JBF and Andreas for their hints. As I have a little program
> which makes brute force approach I will run a test to see if this is
> possible with PW protected LO files.
I tried that with a software named "password recovery" or something like
that. It failed to find a 6 characters password in 8 hours on a standard PC.

Best regards.
JBF

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2012-10-16 04:11, Brian Barker wrote:

At 16:36 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 16:20, Brian Barker wrote:

 At 14:42 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

 Am 15.10.2012 09:49, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
"if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' then d3 shall be '0', 
else (-- if c3 is '1' or bigger then -- ) use the integer of value 
in c3)"


=MIN(0;INT(C3))


This is getting sillier!  This formula does not match the definition 
above - and indeed for non-negative C3 is identically zero!  Try

=0
instead.


Sorry, should be:
=MAX(0;INT(C3))


Again, for positive C3, that is identical to
=INT(C3)
- which was suggested by someone a long way earlier in this thread!

Brian Barker



Were there negative voters, you could use =TRUNC(C3).
This has been an interesting discussion because I have learnt that 
INT(-1.1) is 2 and if I want the integer part of -1.1 I need to use TRUNC.
INT returns the next integer less than or equal to the value. TRUNC 
returns the integer part of the value (in the format I have shown).

steve


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[MR ZenWiz]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Ledger Consulting
 wrote:
> gvfe ..dtnd e eeir2
>
What?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I apply an algorithm to the name of whatever it is that i am doing and then 
apply a series of standard characters at set locations.  The set of characters 
and their locations depends on which of 3 categories the thing fits into
1.  Something i really don't want to have cracked, such as my bank, in which 
case i try to use the longest relevant 'name'
2.  Something that it would be good not to get cracked but not really too 
fussed about 
3.  Something that i wouldn't care about sharing the password with pretty much 
anyone

LO and most of my work passwords fall into the 3rd.  One at work falls into the 
1st.  So, i don't need to write anything down anywhere but do tend to lose 
track of which sites and stuff i do have passwords for and which i might need 
to register at.  Usually i just try out the password i would use and if i don't 
get in then i try to register (or give up)
Regards from
Tom :) 


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P  wrote:

From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 17:29

On 10/15/2012 12:00 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf wrote:
> 
> On 15.10.2012 23:46, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
>> Le 15/10/2012 16:30, Dr. R. O Stapf a écrit :
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>> However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get
>>> forgotten (not and MS file)?
>>> Hints are welcome for the future.
>> Buy a super-computer, launch a brute force algorithm and pray that the
>> password is a short word from the standard English vocabulary.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> JBF
>> 
> Thanks to JBF and Andreas for their hints. As I have a little program which 
> makes brute force approach I will run a test to see if this is possible with 
> PW protected LO files.
> 

For future reference, if you have to create a password protected document [for 
viewing or editing] make sure you use one that will not be forgotten or WRITE 
IT DOWN somewhere and save it in your filing cabinet.

At one computer center I worked, they taped the needed passwords on the back of 
the keyboard. You needed a door key to get into the place, so the passwords 
were protected, but that way all the personnel will be able to access the 
needed systems and not forget the needed passwords.

I use a list of about a dozen passwords.  So if I forget which one I used, I 
just go down the "mental" list till I get the one I used for that application 
or document.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Jay Lozier]

On 10/15/2012 11:45 AM, Tim Deaton wrote:
> I haven't tried StarBasic, but in the past did use VBA for
> Applications in Excel and Access.  Personally, because of the danger
> of malicious mischief, I think having something  that can only do
> things within your own product would be a VERY good thing.  If I
> understood Andreas correctly, that's the way StarBasic works. So I'd
> say fix the bugs and don't change its mission.
>
> Then, if you need something that interacts with other things outside
> of LO, use another tool designed for that, and make sure LO safeguards
> adequately protect against the possibility of mischief.
>
> -- Tim

The problem with any macro is the possibility of it accessing parts of
the OS that could allow for someone to inject malware into the system.
This issue is actually independent of the macro language. I remember
several VBA macro malware from about 2000 being a major problem; partly
because of MS Office at the time default of executing any macro in a
file and the relative newness of the Internet and email to most users.

How LO and MSO currently protect is to not allowing
unverified/unvalidated/uncertified macros from running by default.

> ===
>
> On 10/15/2012 8:38 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
>> Am 15.10.2012 13:31, Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> No-one is suggesting dropping Star Basic!  That would be a huge
>>> nightmare for many people i'm sure.
>>>
>>> I was just curious what might be better.  A quick look at what
>>> languages can be used for macros in LO reveals 4 choices;  LO Basic,
>>> Python, BeanShell, or JavaScript.  I was just wondering which was
>>> 'best'.  Are all 4 really well implemented in LO?  I guess "LO
>>> Basic" is the Star Basic being referred to in this thread?
>>>
>>> I think Andreas was just suggesting that choosing to use Star Basic
>>> is not the best choice.  However one of the great things about
>>> OpenSource is that you do get choices.  We can all disagree about
>>> almost everything and still end up co-operating with each other even
>>> if we didn't want to.
>>>
>>> Outside of IT choice is usually seen as a good thing.  Many
>>> countries see democracy as good and ostensibly give a choice of who
>>> you can vote for to rule.  In shops people would be outraged if
>>> there was nothing else to buy except baked beans.  People expect to
>>> be able to buy a wide range of diferent products from different
>>> companies and for it all to work together well enough.  Somehow IT
>>> seems to demand dictatorships and freedom FROM choice rather than
>>> freedom OF choice.  We don't all do the same things and even if we
>>> did we probably wouldn't do them the same way so it's fairly insane
>>> to expect 1 product and 1 company to be the only thing worth using.
>>>
>>> I was just curious about other people's choices to help me
>>> understand more about a subject i know little about.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>> StarBasic is a separate lingo implemented to call the API of this
>> particular software only. It can not do anything outside the scope of
>> the office. It comes with a few convenience features related to this
>> particular API and the code is easier to be stored within office
>> documents. It does not include any math library beyond triangular
>> functions and basic arithmetics. It handles arrays in the most
>> complicated ways, it does not know any hashes, it has far too many bugs
>> and short comings, it is extremely complex and awkward (Null, Nothing,
>> Empty, Missing are different types of the same).
>> Basic is a 100% procedural lingo talking to an strictly object oriented
>> API which is the reason why you can not write any extensions in Basic.
>> MS Office and this office are the last resorts of this extinct lingo of
>> the MS dominated 90ies.
>> The alternatives are full featured, popular and mature programming
>> languages with dozends of modules to program anything you want.
>> A little bit of glue code makes them UNO compatible, callable from
>> within the office suite (Tools>Macros), from the command line and as UNO
>> components as well. Plain souce code files are much easier to maintain
>> and a programmer can use whatever source code editor he wants (the Basic
>> editor is no more than a cheap plastic toy).
>> All the object oriented languages can be used to write seamlessly
>> integrated extensions.
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

On 10/15/2012 12:00 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf wrote:


On 15.10.2012 23:46, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:

Le 15/10/2012 16:30, Dr. R. O Stapf a écrit :

[...]

However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get
forgotten (not and MS file)?
Hints are welcome for the future.

Buy a super-computer, launch a brute force algorithm and pray that the
password is a short word from the standard English vocabulary.


Best regards.
JBF

Thanks to JBF and Andreas for their hints. As I have a little program 
which makes brute force approach I will run a test to see if this is 
possible with PW protected LO files.




For future reference, if you have to create a password protected 
document [for viewing or editing] make sure you use one that will not be 
forgotten or WRITE IT DOWN somewhere and save it in your filing cabinet.


At one computer center I worked, they taped the needed passwords on the 
back of the keyboard. You needed a door key to get into the place, so 
the passwords were protected, but that way all the personnel will be 
able to access the needed systems and not forget the needed passwords.


I use a list of about a dozen passwords.  So if I forget which one I 
used, I just go down the "mental" list till I get the one I used for 
that application or document.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Dr. R. O Stapf]

On 15.10.2012 23:46, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:

Le 15/10/2012 16:30, Dr. R. O Stapf a écrit :

[...]

However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get
forgotten (not and MS file)?
Hints are welcome for the future.

Buy a super-computer, launch a brute force algorithm and pray that the
password is a short word from the standard English vocabulary.


Best regards.
JBF

Thanks to JBF and Andreas for their hints. As I have a little program which makes brute force 
approach I will run a test to see if this is possible with PW protected LO files.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[James Knott]

Brian Barker wrote:

Now you are assuming (1) that negative election results are possible,


Well, with the way Romney's doing...  ;-)


I was just posting in reference to comment about negative numbers and 
not the original post.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] List of Fonts in Use in a Document

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On 10/15/2012 11:41 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 08:14 15/10/2012 -0700, C V Alkan wrote:
I'm using Writer on two different machines/Operating Systems and have 
copied the main fonts I use to both, but every now and then a 
situation arises where LibreOffice makes a substitution for a font 
that I overlooked, causing subtle (usually, but not always) changes 
in the document layout.


Is there some way to list all of the fonts (not styles, since I don't 
want to wade through each to see what fonts they need) in use in a 
particular document?


This is just a guess, but try File | Export as PDF... to create a PDF 
version of your document.  Open this in your favourite PDF reader, 
which should be able to tell you which fonts have been embedded.  Does 
that give you a reliable list?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker




For Ubuntu 12.04/MATE, I used the default PDF viewer and went to:
File/Properties/Fonts
to display the fonts used in a document.

The only thing I would like to see is the ability to copy/paste the font 
list to a text file to compare the list to another list of fonts.


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . .

[Dan Hall]

Re. Tom Davies > "To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all
Extensions just rename your User Profile." <

I did this (renamed my User Profile) and now spell check works for me in
LibreOffice (Writer) 3.5.4.2 on Windows 7.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Hall [mailto:dih...@myfairpoint.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:53 PM
To: 'Dan Hall'; 'Lostsoul'; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . .

I posted here only to answer Lostsoul's question, i.e. "does anyone out
their use libre with win 7".  I do not need help per se.  I bought a new
desktop computer in May 2012 and it came with LibreOffice installed.  The
spell checker in LibreOffice did (does) not work so I purchased and
installed MS Office 2003, which I now use.

Note:  I signed on to the LibreOffice-users mailing list back then to see if
I could find any mention of spell checker problems.

-Original Message-
From: Dan Hall [mailto:dih...@myfairpoint.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:03 AM
To: 'Lostsoul'; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . .

I have LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 on Windows 7 and in Writer the spell check does
not work for spelling errors... it does however correct beginning of
sentence capitalization (automatically) and manual spell check complains of
extra spaces when they exist.

-Original Message-
From: Lostsoul [mailto:joyseyh...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:54 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . .

 Not thinking of using ubanta was just asking about it ; and does anyone
out their use libre with win 7 so far i would guess its a  huge no and your
throwing out ramdom guess s as fixs.
 
And libre comes in three sizes on various freeware sites; not their home
page 28 mb and 120 mb and their web site has it at 210 mb and 10 mb for
help;  wonder what that is all about will get the biggy next hopefully that
works with win 7 the way it should  -  later   

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From: krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . .
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 12:34 PM



I think there is some other issues going on with this user and Ubuntu 
will not fix the problem.  The person will be a Windows user and not a 
Linux user in the foreseeable future. 

Where is he getting a 28MB or a 108 MB version of LO is my concern.  I 
do not remember Windows LO being that small. 

Then there is the comment of being a use for 3 years.  LO 3.3.0 came out 
in the beginning of last year, so it has not be out for 3 years yet. 

If the person installed a version of LO that is not the proper file 
size, then there will be trouble. 

I think the best thing to do is a complete uninstall of LO and then 
download a fresh copy from the web site and make sure what is downloaded 
matches the file size of the package. 




On 10/12/2012 11:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: 

> Hi :) 
> I think what i would be tempted to do at this stage, since you have 
> put so much time&effort in is to resize the Win7 partition to around 
>   30-50Gb and then get an Ubuntu Cd and install Ubuntu on however much 
> space you have left (assuming you have over 15Gb to spare).  Ubuntu 
> comes with tons of programs already installed so it very usable right 
> from the start. 
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
> The download button is halfway down the left side, just under the title
"Rock Solid". 
> 
> 
> Windows is a Pita to install.  I think probably a lot of people on this
list share your pain as there are probably a lot us here that have had to
try it too.  With hindsight i think it's usually best to stick with whatever
is already on the machine but just shrink the partition as small as
reasonably possible and then use the rest of the space for the new install
of whatever. 
> 
> Win7 is great once it's installed and got all the programs but it sounds
like yours has something wrong with it, or with the LO install or something.
 Like i say it is a total pain to install. 
> 
> 
> Not that once you have created the Ubuntu Cd you can boot-up straight from
the Cd without even installing it so you can test-drive the look&feel of
Ubuntu.  We call it a "Live Cd session".  You can make a Usb one which is a
lot faster but people often still call it LiveCd even if it's Usb. 
> Regards from 
> Tom :) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  
>> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>> To: [hidden email] 
>> Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 16:10 
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work . . 
>> 
>> OHHH my to much to do wonder if its worth it i miss vista everything
worked like a charm first must re install the newest biggest version; so
much bloody crap to install - and i openned not sav

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Tim Deaton]

I haven't tried StarBasic, but in the past did use VBA for Applications 
in Excel and Access.  Personally, because of the danger of malicious 
mischief, I think having something  that can only do things within your 
own product would be a VERY good thing.  If I understood Andreas 
correctly, that's the way StarBasic works. So I'd say fix the bugs and 
don't change its mission.


Then, if you need something that interacts with other things outside of 
LO, use another tool designed for that, and make sure LO safeguards 
adequately protect against the possibility of mischief.


-- Tim
===

On 10/15/2012 8:38 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 13:31, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
No-one is suggesting dropping Star Basic!  That would be a huge nightmare for 
many people i'm sure.

I was just curious what might be better.  A quick look at what languages can be used for 
macros in LO reveals 4 choices;  LO Basic, Python, BeanShell, or JavaScript.  I was just 
wondering which was 'best'.  Are all 4 really well implemented in LO?  I guess "LO 
Basic" is the Star Basic being referred to in this thread?

I think Andreas was just suggesting that choosing to use Star Basic is not the 
best choice.  However one of the great things about OpenSource is that you do 
get choices.  We can all disagree about almost everything and still end up 
co-operating with each other even if we didn't want to.

Outside of IT choice is usually seen as a good thing.  Many countries see 
democracy as good and ostensibly give a choice of who you can vote for to rule. 
 In shops people would be outraged if there was nothing else to buy except 
baked beans.  People expect to be able to buy a wide range of diferent products 
from different companies and for it all to work together well enough.  Somehow 
IT seems to demand dictatorships and freedom FROM choice rather than freedom OF 
choice.  We don't all do the same things and even if we did we probably 
wouldn't do them the same way so it's fairly insane to expect 1 product and 1 
company to be the only thing worth using.

I was just curious about other people's choices to help me understand more 
about a subject i know little about.
Regards from
Tom :)

StarBasic is a separate lingo implemented to call the API of this
particular software only. It can not do anything outside the scope of
the office. It comes with a few convenience features related to this
particular API and the code is easier to be stored within office
documents. It does not include any math library beyond triangular
functions and basic arithmetics. It handles arrays in the most
complicated ways, it does not know any hashes, it has far too many bugs
and short comings, it is extremely complex and awkward (Null, Nothing,
Empty, Missing are different types of the same).
Basic is a 100% procedural lingo talking to an strictly object oriented
API which is the reason why you can not write any extensions in Basic.
MS Office and this office are the last resorts of this extinct lingo of
the MS dominated 90ies.
The alternatives are full featured, popular and mature programming
languages with dozends of modules to program anything you want.
A little bit of glue code makes them UNO compatible, callable from
within the office suite (Tools>Macros), from the command line and as UNO
components as well. Plain souce code files are much easier to maintain
and a programmer can use whatever source code editor he wants (the Basic
editor is no more than a cheap plastic toy).
All the object oriented languages can be used to write seamlessly
integrated extensions.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] List of Fonts in Use in a Document

[Brian Barker]

At 08:14 15/10/2012 -0700, C V Alkan wrote:
I'm using Writer on two different machines/Operating Systems and 
have copied the main fonts I use to both, but every now and then a 
situation arises where LibreOffice makes a substitution for a font 
that I overlooked, causing subtle (usually, but not always) changes 
in the document layout.


Is there some way to list all of the fonts (not styles, since I 
don't want to wade through each to see what fonts they need) in use 
in a particular document?


This is just a guess, but try File | Export as PDF... to create a PDF 
version of your document.  Open this in your favourite PDF reader, 
which should be able to tell you which fonts have been 
embedded.  Does that give you a reliable list?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] List of Fonts in Use in a Document

[Joel Madero]

Could the xml file be useful? Seems like a pain to analyze. Maybe a good
enhancement request on FDO :)

Regards,
Joel

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:39 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:

>
> There use to be a "text font" extension that might have done it, but I
> never used it.
>
> For my use, I just took all of the fonts I used on my Windows system and
> made sure they were on my Linux system.  Then I made sure all my fonts now
> on the Linux system was on the Windows one[s].
>
> I keep a "font folder" with all the fonts I use on both Linux and Windows.
>  That way I know that all my systems have the same font set available.  Of
> course, I have over 400 fonts installed and have access to over 14 GB of
> font files to choose from.
>
> For me, it was just easier to sync all my system to have the same set of
> fonts and not worry about not having a certain font not be on one system I
> am doing any editing on.
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2012 11:14 AM, CVAlkan wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm using Writer on two different machines/Operating Systems and have
>> copied
>> the main fonts I use to both, but every now and then a situation arises
>> where LibreOffice makes a substitution for a font that I overlooked,
>> causing
>> subtle (usually, but not always) changes in the document layout.
>>
>> Is there some way to list all of the fonts (not styles, since I don't want
>> to wade through each to see what fonts they need) in use in a particular
>> document?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice...
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] List of Fonts in Use in a Document

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

There use to be a "text font" extension that might have done it, but I 
never used it.


For my use, I just took all of the fonts I used on my Windows system and 
made sure they were on my Linux system.  Then I made sure all my fonts 
now on the Linux system was on the Windows one[s].


I keep a "font folder" with all the fonts I use on both Linux and 
Windows.  That way I know that all my systems have the same font set 
available.  Of course, I have over 400 fonts installed and have access 
to over 14 GB of font files to choose from.


For me, it was just easier to sync all my system to have the same set of 
fonts and not worry about not having a certain font not be on one system 
I am doing any editing on.



On 10/15/2012 11:14 AM, CVAlkan wrote:

Hi:

I'm using Writer on two different machines/Operating Systems and have copied
the main fonts I use to both, but every now and then a situation arises
where LibreOffice makes a substitution for a font that I overlooked, causing
subtle (usually, but not always) changes in the document layout.

Is there some way to list all of the fonts (not styles, since I don't want
to wade through each to see what fonts they need) in use in a particular
document?

Thanks for any advice...



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[anne-ology]

   Do you have both WIN and LO open at the same time?;
if so, then close the one you're not using ... open the one you
wish to use.

   [re. saving a document], when you click on 'file', there are other
save features but the main ones are 'save' vs. 'save as' - ignore the
others since these merely add the suffix for you; the same problems arise
if you click on 'save'.  THEREFORE click on 'save as' then follow the
blocks - choosing the suffix you desire, choosing the folder you desire,
then clicking to save.



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Robert Burns  wrote:

   Not using libre from free sites because they are 28 or 125 mb in size so
> i deleted those now using the full version 220 mb version  3.6.6. but
> thinking of trying 3.5.4 since some think that s the best version to try
> with windows 7 but trying abiword and I B M lotus and Kingsoft  maybe they
> won t throw fits at windows 7 so no hurry to reset w7; libre needs fixing
> not windows 7 .
>
> Windows 7 came with the lap top; when i use save as i have 7 choices so
> which is the best to use; save as with libre and can i get a save doc
> format switched over to saved as; and would libre stop having win7 fits i
> wonder .
>
> And a screen shot of what ? ?   Whew  later .  .  .
>
>
>
>
> From: Tom Davies 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" <
> users@global.libreoffice.org>
> Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:15 AM
>
>
> Hi :)
> Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware
> site" and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or
> 3.6.something LO from the official site and install as advised?
>
> Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot?
>
> Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than
> your own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some
> familiarity with Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7
> or was it already on the machine when you bought it?
>
> Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do
> File - "Save As ..."
> You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it
> but gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as
> LO, same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even
> they purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS
> Office 'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did
> mention all this when i made some suggestions about what other free
> word-processors were out there although not in as much detail.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> From: Lostsoul 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>
> Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5
> lines to the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes
> sense; how do i end that ?
>
>
>
>
> From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <
> ml-node+s969070n4013298...@n3.nabble.com>
> Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" 
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM
>
>
> Hi :)
> To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just
> rename your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is
> another link that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
>
> Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had
> installed so it may look a little different and may remove some
> weirdnesses.  It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going
> on.  It usually beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper
> version of LO.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37
>
>  Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate
> windows 7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare;
> you'd be the first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no
> one has a fix; this i got to hear.
>
> How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .
>
>
>
>
> From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM
>
>
> Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote:
> >  Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as
> adobi docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later
> >
>
> I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations
> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any
> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environm

[libreoffice-users] Re: Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date

[V Stuart Foote]

Had an open bug. Appended to it.

FDO#53474 (http:  bug report
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 )

Stuart



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[anne-ology]

   Since you're asking nicely, I'll respond;
   have you read Tom's responses to you?, have you clicked on the
URLs he's included?, ...

   Sounds to me as if your machine may have a virus; are your A-V, et.al.
programs up-to-date and functioning?



On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Lostsoul  wrote:

Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines
> to the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how
> do i end that ?
>
>
>
>
> From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <
> ml-node+s969070n4013298...@n3.nabble.com>
> Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" 
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM
>
>
> Hi :)
> To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just
> rename your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is
> another link that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
>
> Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had
> installed so it may look a little different and may remove some
> weirdnesses.  It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going
> on.  It usually beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper
> version of LO.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37
>
>  Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate
> windows 7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare;
> you'd be the first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no
> one has a fix; this i got to hear.
>
> How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .
>
>
>
>
> From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM
>
>
> Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote:
> >  Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as
> adobi docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later
> >
>
> I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations
> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any
> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment
> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is
> the preferred one to be used on double-click.
> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off
> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is
> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[anne-ology]

   Thank you for these kind words.



On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM, rost52  wrote:


> On 15.10.2012 08:09, anne-ology wrote:
>
>>  BUT I was turned off by his foul language;
>>
>
> Well observed and expressed.
>
> I am sometimes wondering why people do not communicate about facts with
> words not causing bad feelings at others.
>
> Thus I can understand anne-ology's words "if he asks again - and nicely -
> I'll respond to him. "
>
> A nice for all.
>
>

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[libreoffice-users] List of Fonts in Use in a Document

[CVAlkan]

Hi:

I'm using Writer on two different machines/Operating Systems and have copied
the main fonts I use to both, but every now and then a situation arises
where LibreOffice makes a substitution for a font that I overlooked, causing
subtle (usually, but not always) changes in the document layout.

Is there some way to list all of the fonts (not styles, since I don't want
to wade through each to see what fonts they need) in use in a particular
document?

Thanks for any advice...



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 16:36 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 16:20, Brian Barker wrote:

 At 14:42 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

 Am 15.10.2012 09:49, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
"if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' 
then d3 shall be '0', else (-- if c3 is '1' 
or bigger then -- ) use the integer of value in c3)"


=MIN(0;INT(C3))


This is getting sillier!  This formula does not 
match the definition above - and indeed for 
non-negative C3 is identically zero!  Try

=0
instead.


Sorry, should be:
=MAX(0;INT(C3))


Again, for positive C3, that is identical to
=INT(C3)
- which was suggested by someone a long way earlier in this thread!

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 10:34 15/10/2012 -0400, James Knott wrote:

Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:

At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
could anyone tell me which formula I should 
use for the integer part of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...


The answer could be:
=IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))


You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is 
positive, that's no different from

=INT(C3)


Reportedly, negative numbers do exist.


ABS(INT(C3))


Now you are assuming (1) that negative election 
results are possible, and (2) that they should be 
given equal weight with positive ones.  Perhaps 
you can find me a bank where withdrawals increase 
my balance just as deposits do?


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia

[anne-ology]

   Thanks  :-)

  and I agree with the way you think  :-)



On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf
wrote:

 I did not want to express it that explicitly what you wrote is
> perfectly right.
>
> I am often wondering why some members of this forum complain so much about
> LO instead of exchanging information in non-inflicting-feelings-of-others
> words, which help other users to solve their problems and/or help to move
> LO's development forward.
>
>
>
> On 15.10.2012 07:48, anne-ology wrote:
>
>MSFT does not list their bugs; they deny them  ;-(
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf <
> reinh...@stapf-online.com> wrote:
>
> I have my still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom I
>> fully agree.
>>
>> By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a look at? I doubt!
>>
>>
>> On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote:
>>
>>> same here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom Davies 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi :)
>>>
 I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010
 on
 the same machine.  All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better.
  Plus it
 doesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size of
 bullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists.
  Also
 better compatibility.  Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created
 by
 the other.  If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSO
 display the file the same way.  I find the menus easier although some
 things are just as easy on both.
 Regards from
 Tom :)




  From: Andreas Säger 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
>
> Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>
>> It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a
>> "must have" app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and
>> Europe
>> would have the same statement.
>>
>> Be nice to have LO listed in the "must have" category in the various
>> Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free
>> advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get.
>>
>> It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big
>> software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be
>> very expensive to "rent" for such an event.
>>
>>  Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any).
> Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office?
> Idealism? Masochism?
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

On 10/15/2012 07:48 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:

that's the way it is and that's why currently I don't use LO Writer
for anything else than for converting .doc files to .pdf

I might just be something a little bit above a IT moron but using LO
Writer to convert doc into pdf appears to me like using a tractor to
participate in a F1 race or using an F1 race car to plough a field.
Why not installing a pdf-writer SW, there are even free-of-charge
versions available.

The point is that you do not only need a printer driver to generate the
PDF, but also an application that can open those .doc, .ppt etc. files.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang


Wolfgang . . .

I use Writer's "Export to PDF" and CUPS-PDF [Ubuntu 12.04] both, to 
create PDF "prints" of my document. CUPS-PDF will "print" PDFs for any 
package that can print to a physical printer.  I use doPDF for Windows 
systems.


"Export to PDF" doesgreat, except for some of the real decortive fonts I 
may use.  Then I need to use CUPS-PDF.  The drawback with "CUPS-PDF is 
the document is always viewed in portrait mode even if the text is 
aligned in a landscape mode.


To be honest, I even use Writer to create eBooks for my tablet.  For 
some reason, I cannot get my tablet to read my ebooks on the installed 
microSD card.  Kindle for Android does not want to do it. So, after all 
my "testing" I figured it would be easier to create PDFs that was in the 
"print size" of a paperback, or at least my 7 inch tablet's screen. 
Right now, I open the .mobi files,or .epub files, and export them to a 
plain text file.  Then I open them in Writer and use the A6 page size 
[4.13 by 5.83 inches] and reduce the margins down to .15 inches.  Then I 
export them to a PDF file.  That process works well.  Actually the only 
way I can get the Kindle reader to read a file on the added microSD card 
is to open a PDF file using the file manager.  This way will not work 
with any other file type forKindle, but it does workwith PDF.  I do not 
have a Kindle tablet, but a $100 Trio Stealth Pro, since that was all I 
could afford at the time.


SO, Writer does a lot of things that a "reader/converter" app cannot do. 
I cancreate PDF eBooks from free plain text files, or even other file 
formats with a little help.


I now have 3 six-foot high bookshelf units staked 2 and 3 deep with 
paperback books.  I am currently working on getting as many of those 
books in both audio and eBook formats.  Then, if I ever have to reduce 
the number of books, or make room for newones, I will have them still in 
eBook, and maybe audio book, format. Writer helps me take the .epub and 
.mobi books and convert them into something I can use on my tablet.  Of 
course, I could move/copy them over to the internal 4 GB card, but I 
would rather leave them on the removable 32 GB microSD card.



Last year, I would not have imagined that I would use Writer, and some 
helper-apps to make usable eBooks for a tablet.  Last year I did not 
think I would ever buy a table either.


Actually I use Writer for "quick" posters for people.  If itis a complex 
poster, I use Inkscape, but slowly learning what Draw can do. Actually I 
create anew/revised logo for a non-profit organization that I created 
the original logo for.  I used Draw this time, just to practicewith it.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot

[anne-ology]

   that works for me  ;-)



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
> Yes, that is the best way to migrate.  Keep whatever MS Office you happen
> to have and install LO.  There's no reason to upgrade the MS Office so you
> still make the saving but you still have access to it when you need it.
> Gradually you find more and more reason to use LO as you learn more about
> how to use it and less reason to be pushed into using MSO.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> From: anne-ology 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: From MS Word to Writer: keeping my
> styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot
> To: "Andreas Säger" 
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 23:21
>
>why not just keep both programs on the machine  ;-)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Andreas Säger 
> http://mc/compose?to=ville...@t-online.de>>
> wrote:
>
> Am 11.10.2012 11:43, Kyla Robertson wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm migrating from MS Word (Office 2002 !) to LibO Writer. In Word, my
> > > Normal.dot template contains many, many things: about 150 styles, 250
> > > macros, some auto-insert texts, some custom shortcuts, many toolbars
> > > and custom buttons.
> > >
> > > How can I keep this all to use it with Writer?
> > >
> > > In "Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to OpenOffice.org
> > > from other office [suites] (2004)"
> > > (
> >
> http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
> > ),
> > > I found a few things:
> > >  * AutoText entries: will the built-in method to import them still
> > > work with LibO 3.6.2?(should I get version 3.6.2 or 3.5.6, btw? I'm
> > > not sure I understand the difference.)
> > >  * AutoCorrect entries: there's a work-around with a macro and the
> > > editing of a ./user/autocorr/acorr.dat file...
> > >  * Custom dictionaries: there was a work-around to import their
> > > content, but the link to download the macro isn't valid anymore.
> > >
> > > Do you know of a more recent migration guide, or a tutorial on the
> > > Web, or forum post maybe? I couldn't find anything else.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help!
> > >
> >
> > This is not a free clone of some other program. All it can do is loading
> > .doc files fairly well. Please switch to this software or stay with
> > WinWord.
> >
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 15/10/2012 16:30, Dr. R. O Stapf a écrit :
> [...]
>
> However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get
> forgotten (not and MS file)?
> Hints are welcome for the future.
Buy a super-computer, launch a brute force algorithm and pray that the
password is a short word from the standard English vocabulary.


Best regards.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2012 16:20, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 14:42 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:
>> Am 15.10.2012 09:49, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
>>> "if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' then d3 shall be '0', else
>>> (-- if c3 is '1' or bigger then -- ) use the integer of value in c3)"
>>
>> =MIN(0;INT(C3))
> 
> This is getting sillier!  This formula does not match the definition
> above - and indeed for non-negative C3 is identically zero!  Try
> =0
> instead.
> 
> Brian Barker
> 
> 

Sorry, should be:
=MAX(0;INT(C3))


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Ledger Consulting]

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Sent from my MetroPCS Android Device

Andreas Säger  wrote:

>Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:
>> LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
>> Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files 
>> can be cracked? Can the
>> MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
>> Thanks in advance for comments.
>> 
>> 
>
>
>xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
>is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
>"protected" xls ignoring the password.
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2012 16:30, Dr. R. O Stapf wrote:
> 
> However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get forgotten
> (not and MS file)?
> Hints are welcome for the future.
> 
> 

There is no way to open encrypted ODF other than a brute force script
working through a list of possible passwords.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[James Knott]

Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:

At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:

could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part
of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...

The answer could be:
=IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))

You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different
from
=INT(C3)

Brian Barker



Reportedly, negative numbers do exist.



ABS(INT(C3))

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Dr. R. O Stapf]

On 15.10.2012 23:11, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:

LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files can 
be cracked? Can the
MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
Thanks in advance for comments.




xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
"protected" xls ignoring the password.
Thanks for the information. It seems that my version of LO 3.5.6.2 is too young to ignore the PW of 
an xls file.


However, my question was how to open an LO file if the PW get forgotten (not 
and MS file)?
Hints are welcome for the future.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 16:08 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:

At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

 On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
could anyone tell me which formula I should 
use for the integer part of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...


 The answer could be:
 =IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))


You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different from
=INT(C3)


Reportedly, negative numbers do exist.


But not, it would seem, in the original 
questioner's election results.  Unless you know how to cast a negative vote ...


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 14:42 15/10/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 15.10.2012 09:49, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
"if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' then 
d3 shall be '0', else (-- if c3 is '1' or 
bigger then -- ) use the integer of value in c3)"


=MIN(0;INT(C3))


This is getting sillier!  This formula does not 
match the definition above - and indeed for 
non-negative C3 is identically zero!  Try

=0
instead.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Robert Burns]

    whew will keep looking can t find it tired for now this can wait maybe 
other offices would throw fits with win 7  .  .  . 

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Robert Burns" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 10:13 AM




Hi :)
Errr,  would need to be replaced by whatever name it is that you are 
logged in as.  

I'm not completely sure why you are searching for it except that it's the most 
difficult way of trying to find it.  Just go into "My Computer", open the C: 
drive and find the "Users" folder.  Double-click on that and then you will see 
a list of 'Users' although some of them may be just things created by the 
system rather than being real people.  Hopefully one of them will stand out as 
being someone you recognise.  After that it should be fairly easy to navigate 
fairly quickly since folders are probably sorted in alphabetical order by 
default.  

Regards from
Tom :)  










From: Robert Burns 
To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" ; Tom Davies 
 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 15:00
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

 
Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows. I think it works 
in Wine but not Windows. (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
on non-MS platforms). So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in Win7? 
it's a real pain to try to find it. I tend to stumble onto it by accident and 
then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it again. It 
might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been using the 
right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which i mostly 
managed to dodge). 

So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
in it?

> Ok amazing how you get so bloody off track i deleted the libre versions that 
> are not full size and where do the hell do anything on " normal folders with 
> odd things in it "  How dare you be so crazed and bring that up are 
> you on drugs? and i delete from add/delete in the control panel . .
　
Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
equation for now. The way you were talking about it made it sound like you had 
bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much experience 
of doing that sort of thing. It's not as easy as people make out! So, we can 
definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make sure you 
have a working OS on your machine at this stage!! 

> How can you get so mixed up and so off track amazing very scary .
　
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\LibreOffice\3 < < i copyed than 
pasted into search and nothing came up; folder not found; used to getting that 
so has to done the hard way but no hurry - whew later . .

 
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Robert Burns" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:31 AM




Hi :)
Thanks :)

Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows.  I think it works 
in Wine but not Windows.  (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
on non-MS platforms).  So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in 
Win7?  it's a real pain to try to find it.  I tend to stumble onto it by 
accident and then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it 
again.  It might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been 
using the right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which 
i mostly managed to dodge).  

So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
in it?


Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
equation for now.  The way you were talking about it made it sound like you had 
bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much experience 
of doing that sort of thing.  It's not as easy as people make out!  So, we can 
definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make sure you 
have a working OS on your machine at this stage!!  


Ok, so when we say to rename "the" user profile that is only the user profile 
for LO, not for Win7!  Each program tends to have it's own way of storing all 
those settings and configurations.  They all tend to store them separately and 
m

[libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

[teatimest]

I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the
contents of documents are not indexed for search. 

I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing
option. I also checked the "Index Properties and File Contents" in the
Indexing Option in Windows. 

When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and
odp.

Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated
to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any
workaround?

Tea



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[libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2012 15:49, rost52 wrote:
> LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
> Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files 
> can be cracked? Can the
> MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
> Thanks in advance for comments.
> 
> 


xls does not encript your document. The only thing that gets encrypted
is the password. Any old version of OpenOffice.org opens a password
"protected" xls ignoring the password.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Errr,  would need to be replaced by whatever name it is that you are 
logged in as.  

I'm not completely sure why you are searching for it except that it's the most 
difficult way of trying to find it.  Just go into "My Computer", open the C: 
drive and find the "Users" folder.  Double-click on that and then you will see 
a list of 'Users' although some of them may be just things created by the 
system rather than being real people.  Hopefully one of them will stand out as 
being someone you recognise.  After that it should be fairly easy to navigate 
fairly quickly since folders are probably sorted in alphabetical order by 
default.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Robert Burns 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" ; Tom Davies 
> 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 15:00
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> 
> 
>Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows. I think it works 
>in Wine but not Windows. (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
>because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
>on non-MS platforms). So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in Win7? 
>it's a real pain to try to find it. I tend to stumble onto it by accident and 
>then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it again. It 
>might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been using the 
>right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which i mostly 
>managed to dodge). 
>
>So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
>the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
>you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
>in it?
>
>> Ok amazing how you get so bloody off track i deleted the libre versions that 
>> are not full size and where do the hell do anything on " normal folders with 
>> odd things in it "  How dare you be so crazed and bring that up are 
>> you on drugs? and i delete from add/delete in the control panel . .
>　
>Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
>equation for now. The way you were talking about it made it sound like you had 
>bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much experience 
>of doing that sort of thing. It's not as easy as people make out! So, we can 
>definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make sure you 
>have a working OS on your machine at this stage!! 
>
>> How can you get so mixed up and so off track amazing very scary .
>　
>C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\LibreOffice\3 < < i copyed than 
>pasted into search and nothing came up; folder not found; used to getting that 
>so has to done the hard way but no hurry - whew later . .
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom Davies 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>To: "Robert Burns" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:31 AM
>
>
>
>
>Hi :)
>Thanks :)
>
>Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows.  I think it works 
>in Wine but not Windows.  (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
>because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
>on non-MS platforms).  So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in 
>Win7?  it's a real pain to try to find it.  I tend to stumble onto it by 
>accident and then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it 
>again.  It might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been 
>using the right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which 
>i mostly managed to dodge).  
>
>So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
>the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
>you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
>in it?
>
>
>Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
>equation for now.  The way you were talking about it made it sound like you 
>had bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much 
>experience of doing that sort of thing.  It's not as easy as people make out!  
>So, we can definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make 
>sure you have a working OS on your machine at this stage!!  
>
>
>Ok, so when we say to rename "the" user profile that is only the user profile 
>for LO, not for Win7!  Each program tends to have it's own way of storing all 
>those settings and configurations.  They all tend to store them separately and 
>most have different ideas of what are the best ways of doing it.  Some allow 
>users to go in and mess around with stuff but others really freak out and 
>cause problems!  
>
>Most OpenSource programs tend to use the same folder to set-up a 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[John Clegg]

Indeed. Which is why your last answer is also wrong!

On 15 October 2012 15:08, Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:
> > At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
> >> On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
> >>> could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part
> >>> of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...
> >>
> >> The answer could be:
> >> =IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))
> >
> > You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different
> > from
> > =INT(C3)
> >
> > Brian Barker
> >
> >
>
> Reportedly, negative numbers do exist.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

[Robert Burns]

 Ok  tryed another doc to save as; guess its a different format and these 
formats have been add ed to save as ODI  and  Cxw  and  Stw and 5 types/formats 
of Ms Word  . .

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
To: "Robert Burns" , "anne-ology" 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:54 AM




Hi :)
Hmmm, none of those sound even vaguely right.  Hopefully there are some more 
options if ou scroll backwards up the list?  
Regards from
Tom :)   









From: Robert Burns 
To: anne-ology  
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 0:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

 Ok trying saved  as but i see 6 choices so wondering whats the difference 
and which is better and does libre like one format above all ?
 
  RTF /  Text ? Html /  MHT /  WPt  and   WPS  . . .

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, anne-ology  wrote:


From: anne-ology 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:17 PM


   When you save the document, click on 'save as' rather than 'save' -
          when you see the boxes come up, choose the suffix desired, then 
choose the folder desired; simple.




On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Lostsoul  wrote:


 Ok will try that but can i get a save doc switched over to save as and 
then choose a better format or maybe i ll try all saved as formats ? ?



From: anne-ology [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 


Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:02 PM



       A simple solution is to always use 'save as' rather than 'save' -
           then you merely choose the desired suffix as well as the desired
folder;
       with 'save', the computer does its own thing  ;-)





On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Andreas Säger <[hidden email]> wrote:

Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote:

> >      Ok now what the ***; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi
> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right *** .   -  later
> >
>
> I strongly recommend some computer crash course. File name associations
> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any
> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment
> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is
> the preferred one to be used on double-click.
> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off
> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is
> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system.
>

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
>> On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
>>> could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part
>>> of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...
>>
>> The answer could be:
>> =IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))
> 
> You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different
> from
> =INT(C3)
> 
> Brian Barker
> 
> 

Reportedly, negative numbers do exist.


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Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work _ _

[VA]

-Original Message- 
From: VA

Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:55 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work _ _

Dear Lost Soul,

I may regret trying to be helpful, but let me share a similar experience I
recently had with Apache OpenOffice.

I have been using OpenOffice since version 1.0 and StarOffice before that.
In December, 2010, I got a Sony Win7 laptop. I never had a problem with
OpenOffice on my Win7 machine.

Then came the great Oracle/TDF schism and LibreOffice was born. I downloaded
LibreOffice and began using it, again without any problems with my Win7
machine.

About a year later, Apache finally came out with its version of OpenOffice.
I downloaded it to my Win7 computer, and that's when my spelling problems
began. Now, remember that I had had previous versions of OpenOffice on my
computer and, when I downloaded the new Apache OpenOffice, I hadn't made any
changes to my user profile. It was the same user profile that dated back to
OpenOffice 3.0.

My spelling problem was different than yours, but I think they might have a
similar cause (but, remember, I'm not a geek, just a user). In my case,
Apache OpenOffice simply refused to recognize the English(USA) dictionary.
It reported every word as being misspelled. It also refused to hyphenate any
word. The program said that the dictionary was in place; it just refused to
apply it.

I tried downloading new English(USA) dictionary files and that didn't work.
So finally, I cursed the Apache folks for offering a defective product, and
uninstalled the program.

Now, when a program is uninstalled, Windows does NOT uninstall local
configuration files. So every time you uninstall/reinstall or upgrade to a
newer version, the new program will simply load on top of the old user
configuration files.

So, as a last ditch attempt, after uninstalling Apache OpenOffice, I decided
to completely delete my configuration folder. On my computer, the OpenOffice
configuration folder was found in:
c:\users\\appdata\roaming\openoffice.org\3\. (The files for
LibreOffice would be in a similar folder named
c:\users\\appdata\roaming\libreoffice\3\.

I completely deleted the folder at the "openoffice.org" level. This meant
the computer deleted the openoffice.org folder, along with the subfolder "3"
and all subfolders below that.

I then reinstalled Apache OpenOffice and, since then, I haven't had a
problem with the spell checker. It works just fine.

Now, I run both Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I figure that, over time,
one of the programs will clearly outshine the other in terms of the features
I prefer and then I can use only one. But, for now, I bounce back and forth
between the two. (Sometimes, I'll even use Lotus Symphony, another fork of
OpenOffice. I really like its tabbed interface, and I can't understand why
neither Apache nor Libre have adopted it.)

So, Lost Soul, or anyone else with similar problems, don't forget the user
configuration folders. For me, it worked to delete them entirely and start
over. There may be better solutions; for me, I lost all my templates and
styles, etc., but since I use similar templates and styles in Libre, I was
able to recreate everything fairly easily.

Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: Felmon Davis

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:35 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work _ _

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012, Lostsoul wrote:

  Ok why have i never had a word problem with vista but since i have 
had win 7 64 bit for 2 months now on a lap top; Asus to be exact i can t 
get any word programs spell / grammer check to work for me yet ?  ?


   Seems like spell check works with one word then a second word but 
can t find four or five mis spelled words in a doc that i close then i 
open some days later and sees no mis spelled words ? ?


  I wonder if spell grammer checkers that come with word programs for win 
7 can t do both that is underline a mis spelled word as you type and 
correct or underline then the user manually corrects it and then i assume 
it should correct mis spelled words after i reopen a saved doc;  i always 
though it could do both but on win 7 can t figure out how to get that to 
happen.
It works both ways on vista but can t get it to work both ways on win 7 
yet; hum wonder if word programs need that red underline for any spell 
checking; and the lines aren t saving for win 7 so that leaves spell check 
clueless on a saved doc?


 How was that a serious question;  Ok  -  Later


no, not at all a serious question; for one thing, you already know you
are over-generalizing since you know not everyone has your problem. I
certainly have no idea how frequent your problem (or problems) are and
you don't seem to know either.

but sorry I brought up the 'serious question' issue. can we have a
sense of where things actually stand? in particular I wonder when you
downloaded a _le

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Robert Burns]

 
Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows. I think it works 
in Wine but not Windows. (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
on non-MS platforms). So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in Win7? 
it's a real pain to try to find it. I tend to stumble onto it by accident and 
then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it again. It 
might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been using the 
right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which i mostly 
managed to dodge). 

So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
in it?

> Ok amazing how you get so bloody off track i deleted the libre versions that 
> are not full size and where do the hell do anything on " normal folders with 
> odd things in it "  How dare you be so crazed and bring that up are 
> you on drugs? and i delete from add/delete in the control panel . .
　
Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
equation for now. The way you were talking about it made it sound like you had 
bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much experience 
of doing that sort of thing. It's not as easy as people make out! So, we can 
definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make sure you 
have a working OS on your machine at this stage!! 

> How can you get so mixed up and so off track amazing very scary .
　
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\LibreOffice\3 < < i copyed than 
pasted into search and nothing came up; folder not found; used to getting that 
so has to done the hard way but no hurry - whew later . .

 
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Robert Burns" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 9:31 AM




Hi :)
Thanks :)

Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows.  I think it works 
in Wine but not Windows.  (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
on non-MS platforms).  So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in 
Win7?  it's a real pain to try to find it.  I tend to stumble onto it by 
accident and then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it 
again.  It might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been 
using the right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which 
i mostly managed to dodge).  

So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
in it?


Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
equation for now.  The way you were talking about it made it sound like you had 
bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much experience 
of doing that sort of thing.  It's not as easy as people make out!  So, we can 
definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make sure you 
have a working OS on your machine at this stage!!  


Ok, so when we say to rename "the" user profile that is only the user profile 
for LO, not for Win7!  Each program tends to have it's own way of storing all 
those settings and configurations.  They all tend to store them separately and 
most have different ideas of what are the best ways of doing it.  Some allow 
users to go in and mess around with stuff but others really freak out and cause 
problems!  

Most OpenSource programs tend to use the same folder to set-up a sub-folder for 
themselves.  Then inside that folder they may only have a little text-file that 
you can read and maybe even edit with Notepad!  LibreOffice tends to have tons 
of stuff in there so they have a number of sub-folders inside their main 
sub-folder = such as one sub-sub-folder to contain all Extensions, another for 
back-ups, another for galleries of images, another for templates and so on.  If 
you rename the main sub-folder and then open LibreOffice again it will 
automatically create a new one with all the default settings.  Of course since 
you only renamed rather than deleted it you can always copy some of those 
sub-sub-folders back to regain settings and see if it was that sub-sub-folder 
that was causing the problem.  Many of us try to create a copy of a working 
sub-folder in order to be able to quickly revert to a working system if one of 
our users has done something crazy
 or had an accident.  

Ok, so navigate to 

C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\Libr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Hmmm, none of those sound even vaguely right.  Hopefully there are some more 
options if ou scroll backwards up the list?  
Regards from
Tom :)   





>
> From: Robert Burns 
>To: anne-ology  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 0:44
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . . .
> 
> Ok trying saved  as but i see 6 choices so wondering whats the difference 
>and which is better and does libre like one format above all ?
> 
>  RTF /  Text ? Html /  MHT /  WPt  and   WPS  . . .
>
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, anne-ology  wrote:
>
>
>From: anne-ology 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>To: "Lostsoul" 
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:17 PM
>
>
>   When you save the document, click on 'save as' rather than 'save' -
>          when you see the boxes come up, choose the suffix desired, then 
>choose the folder desired; simple.
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Lostsoul  wrote:
>
>
> Ok will try that but can i get a save doc switched over to save as and 
>then choose a better format or maybe i ll try all saved as formats ? ?
>
>
>
>From: anne-ology [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
>
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>To: "Lostsoul" 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 7:02 PM
>
>
>
>       A simple solution is to always use 'save as' rather than 'save' -
>           then you merely choose the desired suffix as well as the desired
>folder;
>       with 'save', the computer does its own thing  ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Andreas Säger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote:
>
>> >      Ok now what the ***; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right *** .   -  later
>> >
>>
>> I strongly recommend some computer crash course. File name associations
>> are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any
>> file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment
>> which programs can open which types of files and which single program is
>> the preferred one to be used on double-click.
>> First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off
>> the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is
>> the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system.
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think this guide might help
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Report

If you can't find a drop-down that has "feature request" (or even if you can) 
then it might be good to add this into the subject-line
[feature request]
(preferably at the beginning)

Personally i wouldn't bother becasue it's not something i desperately need 
because the shift&click option is plenty for me.  Also i suspect the reason it 
wont work for me is that i probably stuffed-up in the documents somewhere.  
Regards from
Tom :)  






>
> From: rost52 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: Steve Edmonds ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 14:44
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading
> 
>
>Good to know that you also could not delete a heading with all stuff below in 
>one shot .
>
>This leaves the conclusion that this topic should be put forward as
an enhancement request. The request should be the procedure Tink
mentioned earlier and/or deleting the heading incl all things below
in the navigator.
>
>Shift-click just selects between the cursor and the shift-click
point. A pity but a kind of a temporal solution for the time being.
Thanks for this hint.
>
>How to place an enhancement request?
>
>
>On 15.10.2012 21:34, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>Hi :)
>>I couldn't get this to work either way around either (ie not
with headings (although mine are probably stuffed-up somehow)
and not with the header (which i know i stuff-up).  I think i
would have to read up documentation about it
>>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
>>
>>It looks like something that would be hugely useful if you
already knew how to use it but i don't so i would stick with the 
>>Shift&click 
>>method that works in almost all other apps even non-LO ones.
>>Regards from
>>Tom :)  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: rost52 
>>>To: Steve Edmonds  
>>>Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>>>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 4:26
>>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading
>>> 
>>>Steve, Thanks for pointing this out. I immediately
tested also on the header (at the top of each page to be
precise) and there too I could not apply Tink's
suggestion.
>>>Let's see what will come later the day.
>>>
>>>On 15.10.2012 11:36, Steve Edmonds wrote:
 Hi.
 I think there may be a crossed wire between header
(at the top of the page) and heading (at the top of a
paragraph).
 Steve
 
 On 2012-10-15 15:14, rost52 wrote:
> Tink, thanks for the hint but it doesn't work.
> I clicked in the header line.
> Right click menu opens but doesn't show a menu
item: Remove (or similar)
> Is there a basic setting needed?
> 
> Tom, could you successfully apply this method?
> 
> 
> On 15.10.2012 03:20, Tinkerer wrote:
>> Put the cursor in the Header then right
click, from the menu, choose, Remove
>> Header.
>> You then have a choice, Delete header,
Delete Header and Text.
>> 
>> Tink.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- View this message in context: 
>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/how-to-delete-an-entire-heading-tp4013210p4013288.html
>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at
Nabble.com.
>> 
> 
> 
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] how to crack a PW in LO?

[rost52]

LO files can be protected with PWs when doing "save as".
Fighting currently with an xls file and its lost PW, I wonder how LO files can 
be cracked? Can the
MS related PW remover be used for LO as well?
Thanks in advance for comments.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading

[rost52]

Good to know that you also could not delete a heading with all stuff
below in one shot .This leaves the conclusion that this topic should be put 
forward as
an enhancement request. The request should be the procedure Tink
mentioned earlier and/or deleting the heading incl all things below
in the navigator.Shift-click just selects between the cursor and the 
shift-click
point. A pity but a kind of a temporal solution for the time being.
Thanks for this hint.How to place an enhancement request?On 15.10.2012 
21:34, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)I couldn't get this to work either way around either (ie not
with headings (although mine are probably stuffed-up somehow)
and not with the header (which i know i stuff-up).I think i
would have to read up documentation about 
ithttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/PublicationsIt looks like 
something that would be hugely useful if you
already knew how to use it but i don't so i would stick with 
theShiftclickmethod that works in almost all other apps even non-LO 
ones.Regards fromTom :)
From:rost52bugquestcon...@online.deto:Steve 
Edmondssteve.edmonds@ptglobal.comCc:"users@global.libreoffice.org"users@global.libreoffice.orgSent:Monday,
 15 October 2012, 4:26Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an 
entire
heading
Steve, Thanks for pointing this out. I immediately
tested also on the header (at the top of each page to be
precise) and there too I could not apply Tink's
suggestion.Let's see what will come later the day.On 15.10.2012 
11:36, Steve Edmonds wrote:Hi.I think there may be a crossed wire between header
(at the top of the page) and heading (at the top of a
paragraph).SteveOn 2012-10-15 15:14, rost52 wrote:Tink, thanks 
for the hint but it doesn't work.I clicked in the header line.Right click menu 
opens but doesn't show a menu
item: Remove (or similar)Is there a basic setting needed?Tom, 
could you successfully apply this method?On 15.10.2012 03:20, Tinkerer 
wrote:Put the cursor in the Header then right
click, from the menu, choose, RemoveHeader.You then have a 
choice, Delete header,
Delete Header and Text.Tink.-- View this message in 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia

[Fabian Rodriguez]

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>> [...]
>>
>> It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big
>> software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be
>> very expensive to "rent" for such an event.
>>
>
> Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any).
Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office?
Idealism? Masochism?

Mostly, common sense.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is anyone able to post a bug-report about this?  It sounds pretty serious!
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: V Stuart Foote 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 1:11
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API 
>non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
> 
>
>LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java 
>Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles 
>for Windows users.
>
>It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test 
>utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not 
>implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose 
>accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies.
>
>Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will 
>make a difference.
>
>I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of 
>which are functional.
>
>In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 
>to 3.5.7rc2.  With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java 
>Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. 
>
>The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role 
>mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 
>3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice.  And, for these versions Windows  
>Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader 
>will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire 
>document tree.
>
>Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, 
>are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with 
>Windows Assistive Technologies at any point.
>
>For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with 
>LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive 
>Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize.
>I've updated the FDO#53474 (http:  bug report 
>https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks 
>to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API  ( 
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds 
>by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of 
>the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing 
>Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds 
>that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs.
>
>Stuart
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks :)

Ok, deleting a thing doesn't always uninstall it in Windows.  I think it works 
in Wine but not Windows.  (errr Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" 
because it is a far more sophisticated way of getting Windows programs running 
on non-MS platforms).  So can you open the "Add/remove programs" thing in 
Win7?  it's a real pain to try to find it.  I tend to stumble onto it by 
accident and then quickly do everything i can that i need to before i lose it 
again.  It might be that when you say you have deleted programs you have been 
using the right tool, especially if you have much experience with Vista (which 
i mostly managed to dodge).  

So, when you say you deleted the programs was that by drag&dropping them into 
the wastebin or right-clicking on the program folde and choosing delete or did 
you find some weird gui that looked a bit like a normal folder with odd things 
in it?


Ok, so if Win7 was pre-installed then we can kinda rule that out of the 
equation for now.  The way you were talking about it made it sound like you had 
bought a Win7 Dvd and installed it yourself without having had much experience 
of doing that sort of thing.  It's not as easy as people make out!  So, we can 
definitely rule out needing to install Ubuntu just in order to make sure you 
have a working OS on your machine at this stage!!  


Ok, so when we say to rename "the" user profile that is only the user profile 
for LO, not for Win7!  Each program tends to have it's own way of storing all 
those settings and configurations.  They all tend to store them separately and 
most have different ideas of what are the best ways of doing it.  Some allow 
users to go in and mess around with stuff but others really freak out and cause 
problems!  

Most OpenSource programs tend to use the same folder to set-up a sub-folder for 
themselves.  Then inside that folder they may only have a little text-file that 
you can read and maybe even edit with Notepad!  LibreOffice tends to have tons 
of stuff in there so they have a number of sub-folders inside their main 
sub-folder = such as one sub-sub-folder to contain all Extensions, another for 
back-ups, another for galleries of images, another for templates and so on.  If 
you rename the main sub-folder and then open LibreOffice again it will 
automatically create a new one with all the default settings.  Of course since 
you only renamed rather than deleted it you can always copy some of those 
sub-sub-folders back to regain settings and see if it was that sub-sub-folder 
that was causing the problem.  Many of us try to create a copy of a working 
sub-folder in order to be able to quickly revert to a working system if one of 
our users has done something crazy
 or had an accident.  

Ok, so navigate to 

C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\LibreOffice\3

When you were in the \config part of that you might have noticed other folders 
alongside the LO one.  Programs such as Firefox, hmmm, well Firefox is run by 
the Mozilla Foundation and they have a few programs so they tend to put one 
sub-folder called "Mozilla" and then create a sub-sub-folder in their each time 
you install one of their other programs.  

My usual prefered way is to rename the "3" folder to todays date written 
backwards.  Some people just rename it to "backup" or some-such but then they 
don't always know which is the one that caused tons of problems and which is 
their real back-up [shrugs].  So once you have renamed

C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\LibreOffice\3

to be

C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\config\LibreOffice\somethingelse

then make sure you have closed any documents and all other open instances of 
LibreOffice and then try opening a document or just open LibreOffice.  
Hopefully problems will have magically vanished but please let us know.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Robert Burns 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" ; Tom Davies 
> 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 13:36
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> 
>   Not using libre from free sites because they are 28 or 125 mb in size so i 
>deleted those now using the full version 220 mb version  3.6.6. but thinking 
>of trying 3.5.4 since some think that s the best version to try with windows 7 
>but trying abiword and I B M lotus and 
>Kingsoft  maybe they won t throw fits at windows 7 so no hurry to reset w7; 
>libre needs fixing not windows 7 .
> 
>Windows 7 came with the lap top; when i use save as i have 7 choices so which 
>is the best to use; save as with libre and can i get a save doc format 
>switched over to saved as; and would libre stop having win7 fits i wonder .
> 
>And a screen shot of what ? ?   Whew  later .  .  .
> 
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom Davies 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>To: "Lostsoul" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:15 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .

[Robert Burns]

 H E L L O   should i re post answers to yours and others questions;  are 
did you find it yet i assume others have answer but for some weird reason you 
don t   ? ? ? 

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .
To: "Lostsoul" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:53 AM




Hi :)
Any chance of getting some answers to some of the questions people here have 
asked?
Regards from
Tom :)  










From: Lostsoul 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 13:46
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .

 Ohh getting some weird lines that floats next to the arrow or its more 
like an oversized i whats that about and how do i get rid of it ?   -   later . 
. .

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
 wrote:


From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:16 AM


Hi :) 
Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware site" 
and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or 3.6.something LO from 
the official site and install as advised?  

Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot? 

Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than your 
own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some familiarity with 
Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7 or was it already on 
the machine when you bought it?  

Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do 
File - "Save As ..." 
You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it but 
gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as LO, 
same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even they 
purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS Office 
'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did mention all 
this when i made some suggestions about what other free word-processors were 
out there although not in as much detail.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






> 
> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
> 
>Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines to 
>the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how do i 
>end that ?  
> 
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden 
>email]> wrote: 
> 
> 
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM 
> 
> 
>Hi :) 
>To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just rename 
>your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is another link 
>that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave 
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
> 
>Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had 
>installed so it may look a little different and may remove some weirdnesses.  
>It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going on.  It usually 
>beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper version of LO.  
> 
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
> 
> 
>--- On Sun, 14/10/12, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
>From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37 
> 
> Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate windows 
>7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare; you'd be the 
>first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no one has a fix; 
>this i got to hear. 
>  
>How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .  
> 
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
><[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
> 
>From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM 
> 
> 
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>>      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later 
>> 
> 
>I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations 
>are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>First of all, any use

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .

[Robert Burns]

 I have you didn t get it should i re sent  ? ?

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .
To: "Lostsoul" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:53 AM




Hi :)
Any chance of getting some answers to some of the questions people here have 
asked?
Regards from
Tom :)  










From: Lostsoul 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 13:46
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .

 Ohh getting some weird lines that floats next to the arrow or its more 
like an oversized i whats that about and how do i get rid of it ?   -   later . 
. .

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
 wrote:


From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:16 AM


Hi :) 
Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware site" 
and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or 3.6.something LO from 
the official site and install as advised?  

Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot? 

Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than your 
own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some familiarity with 
Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7 or was it already on 
the machine when you bought it?  

Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do 
File - "Save As ..." 
You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it but 
gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as LO, 
same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even they 
purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS Office 
'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did mention all 
this when i made some suggestions about what other free word-processors were 
out there although not in as much detail.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






> 
> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
> 
>Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines to 
>the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how do i 
>end that ?  
> 
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden 
>email]> wrote: 
> 
> 
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM 
> 
> 
>Hi :) 
>To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just rename 
>your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is another link 
>that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave 
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
> 
>Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had 
>installed so it may look a little different and may remove some weirdnesses.  
>It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going on.  It usually 
>beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper version of LO.  
> 
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
> 
> 
>--- On Sun, 14/10/12, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
>From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37 
> 
> Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate windows 
>7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare; you'd be the 
>first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no one has a fix; 
>this i got to hear. 
>  
>How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .  
> 
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
><[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
> 
>From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM 
> 
> 
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>>      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later 
>> 
> 
>I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations 
>are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
>the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Any chance of getting some answers to some of the questions people here have 
asked?
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Lostsoul 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 13:46
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .
> 
> Ohh getting some weird lines that floats next to the arrow or its more 
>like an oversized i whats that about and how do i get rid of it ?   -   later 
>. . .
>
>--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>To: "Lostsoul" 
>Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:16 AM
>
>
>Hi :) 
>Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware site" 
>and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or 3.6.something LO from 
>the official site and install as advised?  
>
>Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot? 
>
>Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than your 
>own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some familiarity with 
>Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7 or was it already on 
>the machine when you bought it?  
>
>Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do 
>File - "Save As ..." 
>You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it but 
>gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as LO, 
>same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even they 
>purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS Office 
>'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did mention all 
>this when i made some suggestions about what other free word-processors were 
>out there although not in as much detail.  
>
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>>To: [hidden email] 
>>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04 
>>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>> 
>>Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines 
>>to the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how do 
>>i end that ?  
>> 
>>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden 
>>email]> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM 
>> 
>> 
>>Hi :) 
>>To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just rename 
>>your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is another 
>>link that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave 
>>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
>> 
>>Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had 
>>installed so it may look a little different and may remove some weirdnesses.  
>>It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going on.  It usually 
>>beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper version of LO.  
>> 
>>Regards from 
>>Tom :)  
>> 
>> 
>>--- On Sun, 14/10/12, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>> 
>>From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>>To: [hidden email] 
>>Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37 
>> 
>> Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate windows 
>>7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare; you'd be the 
>>first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no one has a fix; 
>>this i got to hear. 
>>  
>>How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .  
>> 
>>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
>><[hidden email]> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM 
>> 
>> 
>>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>>>      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later 
>>> 
>> 
>>I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations 
>>are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>>file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>>which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>>the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>>First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
>>the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
>>the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 
>> 
>> 
>>-- 
>>View this message in context: 
>>ht

[libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x . .

[Lostsoul]

 Ohh getting some weird lines that floats next to the arrow or its more 
like an oversized i whats that about and how do i get rid of it ?   -   later . 
. .

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
 wrote:


From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:16 AM


Hi :) 
Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware site" 
and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or 3.6.something LO from 
the official site and install as advised?  

Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot? 

Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than your 
own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some familiarity with 
Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7 or was it already on 
the machine when you bought it?  

Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do 
File - "Save As ..." 
You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it but 
gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as LO, 
same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even they 
purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS Office 
'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did mention all 
this when i made some suggestions about what other free word-processors were 
out there although not in as much detail.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  






> 
> From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
> 
>Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines to 
>the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how do i 
>end that ?  
> 
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden 
>email]> wrote: 
> 
> 
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM 
> 
> 
>Hi :) 
>To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just rename 
>your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is another link 
>that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave 
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
> 
>Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had 
>installed so it may look a little different and may remove some weirdnesses.  
>It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going on.  It usually 
>beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper version of LO.  
> 
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
> 
> 
>--- On Sun, 14/10/12, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
>From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37 
> 
> Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate windows 
>7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare; you'd be the 
>first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no one has a fix; 
>this i got to hear. 
>  
>How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .  
> 
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
><[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
> 
>From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM 
> 
> 
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>>      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later 
>> 
> 
>I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations 
>are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
>the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
>the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Integer part of a number

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2012 09:49, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

> "if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' then d3 shall be '0', else (--
> if c3 is '1' or bigger then -- ) use the integer of value in c3)"
> 

=MIN(0;INT(C3))



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I really don't mind if people disagree with me or even if it's not that strong, 
just a possible uncertainty about something i said.  The important thing imo is 
to get enough good answers out there that the op can pick and choose or get 
inspired by one or more in order to solve the problem and move on.  The 
important bit is getting questions solved.  

Blind obediance is what got us into this mess with MS, Adobe, Oracle and the 
rest in the first place.  It's passionately disagreeing with each other that 
helps us develop good choices.  

"Diversity breeds serendipity"!  If we were all the same it would be really 
boring!  :)

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Dr. R. O Stapf 
>To: anne-ology  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 3:00
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
> 
>I did not want to express it that explicitly what you wrote is
>    perfectly right.I am often wondering why some members of this forum 
>complain so much
>    about LO instead of exchanging information in
>    non-inflicting-feelings-of-others words, which help other users to
>    solve their problems and/or help to move LO's development forward.On 
>15.10.2012 07:48, anne-ology wrote:
>MSFT does not list their bugs; they deny them;-(On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 
>PM, Dr. R.
>        O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:I have my
>          still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom
>          I fully agree.By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a 
>look at?
>          I doubt!On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote:same here.On Thu, Oct 
>11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:Hi :)I prefer LO 
>on Windows even though i have a choice of
>                  MSO 2007 and 2010 onthe same machine.All 3 installed but LO 
>handles
>                  graphics better.Plus itdoesn't keep changing styles, 
>languages, indentations,
>                  size ofbullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in
>                  numbered lists.Alsobetter compatibility.Each version of MSO 
>stuffs up
>                  documents created bythe other.If i write in LO then save as 
>doc then
>                  both versions of MSOdisplay the file the same way.I find the 
>menus
>                  easier although somethings are just as easy on both.Regards 
>fromTom :)From: Andreas 
>sgerville...@t-online.deto:users@global.libreoffice.orgSent: Thursday, 11 
>October 2012, 23:48Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in
>                    MacWorld AustraliaAm 11.10.2012 20:46, 
>webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states
>                      that LibreOffice is a"must have" app/package. I wonder 
>if the MacWorld
>                      for the USA and Europewould have the same statement.Be 
>nice to have LO listed in the "must have"
>                      category in the variousWindows magazines. We could use 
>more Windows
>                      users, and freeadvertisements towards Windows users, as 
>we can
>                      get.It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows
>                      version of the bigsoftware shows that happen for Linux 
>and Mac. But
>                      those booths may bevery expensive to "rent" for such an 
>event.Windows users can run MS Office easily and for
>                    little money (if any).Why should they use LibreOffice if 
>all they want is
>                    cheap MS Office?Idealism? Masochism?
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2012 13:31, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> No-one is suggesting dropping Star Basic!  That would be a huge nightmare for 
> many people i'm sure.
> 
> I was just curious what might be better.  A quick look at what languages can 
> be used for macros in LO reveals 4 choices;  LO Basic, Python, BeanShell, or 
> JavaScript.  I was just wondering which was 'best'.  Are all 4 really well 
> implemented in LO?  I guess "LO Basic" is the Star Basic being referred to in 
> this thread?  
> 
> I think Andreas was just suggesting that choosing to use Star Basic is not 
> the best choice.  However one of the great things about OpenSource is that 
> you do get choices.  We can all disagree about almost everything and still 
> end up co-operating with each other even if we didn't want to.  
> 
> Outside of IT choice is usually seen as a good thing.  Many countries see 
> democracy as good and ostensibly give a choice of who you can vote for to 
> rule.  In shops people would be outraged if there was nothing else to buy 
> except baked beans.  People expect to be able to buy a wide range of diferent 
> products from different companies and for it all to work together well 
> enough.  Somehow IT seems to demand dictatorships and freedom FROM choice 
> rather than freedom OF choice.  We don't all do the same things and even if 
> we did we probably wouldn't do them the same way so it's fairly insane to 
> expect 1 product and 1 company to be the only thing worth using.
> 
> I was just curious about other people's choices to help me understand more 
> about a subject i know little about.  
> Regards from
> Tom :)

StarBasic is a separate lingo implemented to call the API of this
particular software only. It can not do anything outside the scope of
the office. It comes with a few convenience features related to this
particular API and the code is easier to be stored within office
documents. It does not include any math library beyond triangular
functions and basic arithmetics. It handles arrays in the most
complicated ways, it does not know any hashes, it has far too many bugs
and short comings, it is extremely complex and awkward (Null, Nothing,
Empty, Missing are different types of the same).
Basic is a 100% procedural lingo talking to an strictly object oriented
API which is the reason why you can not write any extensions in Basic.
MS Office and this office are the last resorts of this extinct lingo of
the MS dominated 90ies.
The alternatives are full featured, popular and mature programming
languages with dozends of modules to program anything you want.
A little bit of glue code makes them UNO compatible, callable from
within the office suite (Tools>Macros), from the command line and as UNO
components as well. Plain souce code files are much easier to maintain
and a programmer can use whatever source code editor he wants (the Basic
editor is no more than a cheap plastic toy).
All the object oriented languages can be used to write seamlessly
integrated extensions.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Robert Burns]

   Not using libre from free sites because they are 28 or 125 mb in size so i 
deleted those now using the full version 220 mb version  3.6.6. but thinking of 
trying 3.5.4 since some think that s the best version to try with windows 7 
but trying abiword and I B M lotus and 
Kingsoft  maybe they won t throw fits at windows 7 so no hurry to reset w7; 
libre needs fixing not windows 7 .
 
Windows 7 came with the lap top; when i use save as i have 7 choices so which 
is the best to use; save as with libre and can i get a save doc format switched 
over to saved as; and would libre stop having win7 fits i wonder .
 
And a screen shot of what ? ?   Whew  later .  .  .
 

--- On Mon, 10/15/12, Tom Davies  wrote:


From: Tom Davies 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" , "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:15 AM




Hi :)
Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware site" 
and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or 3.6.something LO from 
the official site and install as advised?  

Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot?

Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than your 
own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some familiarity with 
Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7 or was it already on 
the machine when you bought it?  

Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do
File - "Save As ..."
You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it but 
gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as LO, 
same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even they 
purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS Office 
'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did mention all 
this when i made some suggestions about what other free word-processors were 
out there although not in as much detail.  

Regards from
Tom :)  










From: Lostsoul 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines to 
the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how do i 
end that ? 

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
 wrote:


From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 

Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
To: "Lostsoul" 
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM


Hi :) 
To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just rename 
your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is another link 
that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile

Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had 
installed so it may look a little different and may remove some weirdnesses.  
It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going on.  It usually 
beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper version of LO.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  


--- On Sun, 14/10/12, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 

From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
To: [hidden email] 
Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37 

 Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate windows 7 
never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare; you'd be the 
first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no one has a fix; 
this i got to hear. 
  
How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .  

--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
<[hidden email]> wrote: 


From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM 


Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later 
> 

I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations 
are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I couldn't get this to work either way around either (ie not with headings 
(although mine are probably stuffed-up somehow) and not with the header (which 
i know i stuff-up).  I think i would have to read up documentation about it
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

It looks like something that would be hugely useful if you already knew how to 
use it but i don't so i would stick with the 
Shift&click 
method that works in almost all other apps even non-LO ones.
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: rost52 
>To: Steve Edmonds  
>Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 4:26
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to delete an entire heading
> 
>Steve, Thanks for pointing this out. I immediately tested also on the header 
>(at the top of each page to be precise) and there too I could not apply Tink's 
>suggestion.
>Let's see what will come later the day.
>
>On 15.10.2012 11:36, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> Hi.
>> I think there may be a crossed wire between header (at the top of the page) 
>> and heading (at the top of a paragraph).
>> Steve
>> 
>> On 2012-10-15 15:14, rost52 wrote:
>>> Tink, thanks for the hint but it doesn't work.
>>> I clicked in the header line.
>>> Right click menu opens but doesn't show a menu item: Remove (or similar)
>>> Is there a basic setting needed?
>>> 
>>> Tom, could you successfully apply this method?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15.10.2012 03:20, Tinkerer wrote:
 Put the cursor in the Header then right click, from the menu, choose, 
 Remove
 Header.
 You then have a choice, Delete header, Delete Header and Text.
 
 Tink.
 
 
 
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>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Probably is.  Even so i think it's best to berate them for their poor 
implementation and keep hassling them to be better at their implementation of 
ODF.  Like using the more up-to-date version (1.2) that everyone else is using 
instead of the ancient 1.1.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Gordon Burgess-Parker 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 12:23
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, 
>macros, toolbars from Normal.dot
> 
>On 15/10/12 12:16, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Even MS Office is starting to pretend to allow people to use OpenDocument 
>> Formats although their implementation is a bit broken (what else would you 
>> expect from MS right?).
>> 
>> 
>Interestingly when you start a new installation of Word 2010 it asks you 
>whether you want it to use OOXML or ODF as the default...
>I hope that's not the slippery slope of embrace and extinguish
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Did you uninstall all versions of 'LO' that you got from "some freeware site" 
and do an antivirus scan?  Did you download the 3.5.6 or 3.6.something LO from 
the official site and install as advised?  

Is there any chance of giving us a screen-shot?

Also, just out of curiosity, have you used Win7 on any machine other than your 
own?  Has anyone else used your machine that might have some familiarity with 
Win7 when it's properly installed?  Did you install Win7 or was it already on 
the machine when you bought it?  

Btw Abiword can save files in MS formats but you have to do
File - "Save As ..."
You can't set it to default to MS formats.  I tried nagging them about it but 
gave up.  The native format it uses is the OpenDocument Format, same as LO, 
same as almost every other word-processing program except MS and even they 
purport to support it as a non-native format.  So, people using MS Office 
'should' be able to open your documents created in AbiWord.  I did mention all 
this when i made some suggestions about what other free word-processors were 
out there although not in as much detail.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Lostsoul 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 5:04
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
> 
>Ok whats going on now when i move my mouse about a blank page i get 5 lines to 
>the right of the i line which is the pointer hope that makes sense; how do i 
>end that ? 
>
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
>
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x
>To: "Lostsoul" 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:15 PM
>
>
>Hi :) 
>To "get back to factory defaults" and 'switch off' all Extensions just rename 
>your User Profile.  Larry gave a link to help with that.  Here is another link 
>that will one day be merged with the one Larry gave 
>http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
>
>Factory defaults are possibly a bit less tweaked than whatever you had 
>installed so it may look a little different and may remove some weirdnesses.  
>It's a good thing to try whenever you find weird things going on.  It usually 
>beats a reinstall assuming you have now installed a proper version of LO.  
>
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>--- On Sun, 14/10/12, Lostsoul <[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>From: Lostsoul <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:37 
>
> Haha very funny that know one can tell me why word problems hate windows 
>7 never had any word programs hate vista so explain if you dare; you'd be the 
>first why the word programs hate win 7 and why no one but no one has a fix; 
>this i got to hear. 
>  
>How do i turn off file extensions in windows 7 64 bit   -  later . .  
>
>--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
><[hidden email]> wrote: 
>
>
>From: Andreas Säger [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[hidden email]> 
>Subject: Re: Auto and Manual Spell do not work x 
>To: "Lostsoul" <[hidden email]> 
>Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 4:28 AM 
>
>
>Am 14.10.2012 10:10, Lostsoul wrote: 
>>      Ok now what the crap; why are abiword documents being saved as adobi 
>> docs how do i fix that can t get anything right crap .   -  later 
>> 
>
>I strongly recommend some computer crash curse. File name associations 
>are free.  There is nothing hard wired to the system. You can open any 
>file with any program you want. You can tell your desktop environment 
>which programs can open which types of files and which single program is 
>the preferred one to be used on double-click. 
>First of all, any user who is forced to use MS Windows should turn off 
>the option to hide known file name extensions. Since Windows '95 this is 
>the major obstacle which prevents people from understanding their system. 
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 12:38 15/10/2012 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

... but Pertti's answer deals with unexpectedly wrong counts.


It does nothing of the sort, of course.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

[Wolfgang Keller]

> > that's the way it is and that's why currently I don't use LO Writer
> > for anything else than for converting .doc files to .pdf

> I might just be something a little bit above a IT moron but using LO
> Writer to convert doc into pdf appears to me like using a tractor to
> participate in a F1 race or using an F1 race car to plough a field.
> Why not installing a pdf-writer SW, there are even free-of-charge
> versions available.

The point is that you do not only need a printer driver to generate the
PDF, but also an application that can open those .doc, .ppt etc. files.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: documentation for LO base

[Wolfgang Keller]

> I use it at the office for time registration and invoicing. At home
> for the Taekwon-do club membership.

Should I perceive that as a threat? >;->

> It's actually marvelous in combination with postgresql SDBC driver.
> And actually useful as it is so easy to get your data to Calc, more
> useful then I remember Access.

In fact that's also the only application case that I would consider
using Calc and Writer for in their current state - for graphing and
printing database data.

Imho the most logical and least error-prone way to use Calc is to do
all your calculations in PostgreSQL and only display and graph the
results in Calc. *Never* do complex calculations in Calc.

> It always hurts a bit when people who don't use databases say that
> Base is not good, databases are not useful etc.

Because they don't have a use for it (pure letter-writers for home-use)
or because they don't have a clue (most office users).
 
> I know a lot of people that never use a spreadsheet either. But I
> think LO wouldn't be complete with Calc or Base.

You mean withOUT, I presume?
 
Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The best answer in this thread was the first answer, by Rolf Lochbühler.  Brian 
is right as usual but Pertti's answer deals with unexpectedly wrong counts.
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Brian Barker 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 9:45
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number
> 
>At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
>>On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
>>>could anyone tell me which formula I should use 
>>>for the integer part of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...
>>
>>The answer could be:
>>=IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))
>
>You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different from
>=INT(C3)
>
>Brian Barker
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead

[Wolfgang Keller]

> But Ooo/LO does use structure markup. All .odt/.ods documents are XML
> files.

XML is just syntax. It does not necessarily imply structure markup, as
shown by e.g. .docx and .odt. Just unzip an .odt document and open
contents.xml in a XML editor to see what "spaghetti xml" looks like.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
No-one is suggesting dropping Star Basic!  That would be a huge nightmare for 
many people i'm sure.    

I was just curious what might be better.  A quick look at what languages can be 
used for macros in LO reveals 4 choices;  LO Basic, Python, BeanShell, or 
JavaScript.  I was just wondering which was 'best'.  Are all 4 really well 
implemented in LO?  I guess "LO Basic" is the Star Basic being referred to in 
this thread?  

I think Andreas was just suggesting that choosing to use Star Basic is not the 
best choice.  However one of the great things about OpenSource is that you do 
get choices.  We can all disagree about almost everything and still end up 
co-operating with each other even if we didn't want to.  

Outside of IT choice is usually seen as a good thing.  Many countries see 
democracy as good and ostensibly give a choice of who you can vote for to 
rule.  In shops people would be outraged if there was nothing else to buy 
except baked beans.  People expect to be able to buy a wide range of diferent 
products from different companies and for it all to work together well enough.  
Somehow IT seems to demand dictatorships and freedom FROM choice rather than 
freedom OF choice.  We don't all do the same things and even if we did we 
probably wouldn't do them the same way so it's fairly insane to expect 1 
product and 1 company to be the only thing worth using.

I was just curious about other people's choices to help me understand more 
about a subject i know little about.  
Regards from
Tom :)






>
> From: Walther Koehler 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 11:43
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write 
>system files, like /dev/null in Linux
> 
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system 
>files, like /dev/null in Linux
>Date: Montag, 15. Oktober 2012
>From: Walther Koehler 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>Hi,
>
>if you drop Basic as a makro language in writer, you will drop me as a makro 
>user, and maybe even as a LO user.
>
>It gives me the freedom to automatize much of my daily tasks without learning 
>another high level language.
>
>And when I want to use GNU/Linux system functions I use extensiveley the shell 
>comand, i.e. dir() is quite slow, but calling a shell script with an 
>elaborate find command does the task very quick.
>or: use sed to run through the odt's looking up the print date or ...
>
>Maybe it might helt with /dev/.. too.
>
>Walther
>
>Although sometimes 
>
>Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2012 schrieb Tom Davies:
>> Hi :)
>> What are 'the best' languages to choose?  Python and/or C++? or something
>> else?
>>
>> I know 'the best' is a bit subject to personal feelings and knowledge and
>> experience but it would be interesting to hear people's opinions.  From
>> what i can gather Python and C++ are teh best although mainstream seems to
>> rate Java more highly and it appears in job ads more often.  On the other
>> hand when jobs ask for C++ the pay-grade is far higher.  I got as far as
>> Speccy Basic, a little pascal and some machine code but i think that's all
>> s far behind me that i doubt i could write much even in those languages
>> now (&machine code was a tfn and only ever worked on the specific machine i
>> wrote for (at best)).  Regards from
>> Tom :) 
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 15/10/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:
>>
>> From: Andreas Säger 
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system
>> files, like /dev/null in Linux To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 7:17
>>
>> Am 14.10.2012 21:08, chaonis wrote:
>> > I am trying to write scripts accessing the system files, such as
>> > /dev/ttyS0. If I use "Open" I got the error "Device I/O error" message.
>> > Are there any special function call needed to be done for the system
>> > files? User permission is good as I can access to the file using any
>> > other Linux commands.
>>
>> You have so many programming languages availlable. Why StarBasic?
>> StarBasic is the most primitive API-caller. It is almost useless for
>> anything outside the UNO scope. (Apart from that, it is the worst
>> implementation of an extinct language).
>>
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 15/10/12 12:16, Tom Davies wrote:

Even MS Office is starting to pretend to allow people to use OpenDocument 
Formats although their implementation is a bit broken (what else would you 
expect from MS right?).


Interestingly when you start a new installation of Word 2010 it asks you 
whether you want it to use OOXML or ODF as the default...

I hope that's not the slippery slope of embrace and extinguish

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Re: [libreoffice-users] From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Lol!!  Welcome back e-letter!  

It seems a lot of things can be recovered and adapted for use with LO.  You 
don't have to start again from scratch and refuse to do business with the entre 
rest of the world until they start migrating away from MS.  If you did then LO 
would get nowhere. 

It is a good idea to keep your versions of your documents in LO formats = 
OpenDocument Formats such as odt, as those are native to the apps.  It would 
mean you can rely on them much more.  If/when you have to collaborate or 
present your documents to non-LO users then it's best to do "Save As .." to 
save into the older MS formats (or the newer ones but they are a bit less 
predictable between different versions of MSO) such as doc (or Pdf if they 
don't need o be able to be edited).  

Note that Google-docs, Calligra, Lotus Symphony, AbiWord and all the rest use 
OpenDocument Formats as their default native formats too.  Even MS Office is 
starting to pretend to allow people to use OpenDocument Formats although their 
implementation is a bit broken (what else would you expect from MS right?).  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: e-letter 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 11:49
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, 
>macros, toolbars from Normal.dot
> 
>On 11/10/2012, Kyla Robertson  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm migrating from MS Word (Office 2002 !) to LibO Writer. In Word, my
>> Normal.dot template contains many, many things: about 150 styles, 250
>> macros, some auto-insert texts, some custom shortcuts, many toolbars
>> and custom buttons.
>>
>> How can I keep this all to use it with Writer?
>
>You can't. Nor should you.
>
>LO is not m$. Create all your styles (not macros, they are terrible
>functions to use) in LO, creating native odf files. Perform a
>cost-benefit analysis of your time to learn LO, the advantages of odf,
>etc. and compare to the cost of using m$ and decide which to use
>accordingly.
>
>Do not use LO as a free opportunity to write and create m$ documents.
>Search this mailing archive for previous posts on this ad nauseum
>topic.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot

[e-letter]

On 11/10/2012, Kyla Robertson  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm migrating from MS Word (Office 2002 !) to LibO Writer. In Word, my
> Normal.dot template contains many, many things: about 150 styles, 250
> macros, some auto-insert texts, some custom shortcuts, many toolbars
> and custom buttons.
>
> How can I keep this all to use it with Writer?

You can't. Nor should you.

LO is not m$. Create all your styles (not macros, they are terrible
functions to use) in LO, creating native odf files. Perform a
cost-benefit analysis of your time to learn LO, the advantages of odf,
etc. and compare to the cost of using m$ and decide which to use
accordingly.

Do not use LO as a free opportunity to write and create m$ documents.
Search this mailing archive for previous posts on this ad nauseum
topic.

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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Walther Koehler]

Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system 
files, like /dev/null in Linux
Date: Montag, 15. Oktober 2012
From: Walther Koehler 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org

Hi,

if you drop Basic as a makro language in writer, you will drop me as a makro 
user, and maybe even as a LO user.

It gives me the freedom to automatize much of my daily tasks without learning 
another high level language.

And when I want to use GNU/Linux system functions I use extensiveley the shell 
comand, i.e. dir() is quite slow, but calling a shell script with an 
elaborate find command does the task very quick.
or: use sed to run through the odt's looking up the print date or ...

Maybe it might helt with /dev/.. too.

Walther

Although sometimes 

 Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2012 schrieb Tom Davies:
> Hi :)
> What are 'the best' languages to choose?  Python and/or C++? or something
> else?
>
> I know 'the best' is a bit subject to personal feelings and knowledge and
> experience but it would be interesting to hear people's opinions.  From
> what i can gather Python and C++ are teh best although mainstream seems to
> rate Java more highly and it appears in job ads more often.  On the other
> hand when jobs ask for C++ the pay-grade is far higher.  I got as far as
> Speccy Basic, a little pascal and some machine code but i think that's all
> s far behind me that i doubt i could write much even in those languages
> now (&machine code was a tfn and only ever worked on the specific machine i
> wrote for (at best)).  Regards from
> Tom :) 
>
>
> --- On Mon, 15/10/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:
>
> From: Andreas Säger 
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system
> files, like /dev/null in Linux To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 7:17
>
> Am 14.10.2012 21:08, chaonis wrote:
> > I am trying to write scripts accessing the system files, such as
> > /dev/ttyS0. If I use "Open" I got the error "Device I/O error" message.
> > Are there any special function call needed to be done for the system
> > files? User permission is good as I can access to the file using any
> > other Linux commands.
>
> You have so many programming languages availlable. Why StarBasic?
> StarBasic is the most primitive API-caller. It is almost useless for
> anything outside the UNO scope. (Apart from that, it is the worst
> implementation of an extinct language).
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Walther Koehler]

Hi,

if you drop Basic as a makro language in writer, you will drop me as a makro 
user, and maybe even as a LO user.

It gives me the freedom to automatize much of my daily tasks without learning 
another high level language.

And when I want to use GNU/Linux system functions I use extensiveley the shell 
comand, i.e. dir() is quite slow, but calling a shell script with an 
elaborate find command does the task very quick.
or: use sed to run through the odt's looking up the print date or ...

Maybe it might helt with /dev/.. too.

Walther

Although sometimes 

 Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2012 schrieb Tom Davies:
> Hi :)
> What are 'the best' languages to choose?  Python and/or C++? or something
> else?
>
> I know 'the best' is a bit subject to personal feelings and knowledge and
> experience but it would be interesting to hear people's opinions.  From
> what i can gather Python and C++ are teh best although mainstream seems to
> rate Java more highly and it appears in job ads more often.  On the other
> hand when jobs ask for C++ the pay-grade is far higher.  I got as far as
> Speccy Basic, a little pascal and some machine code but i think that's all
> s far behind me that i doubt i could write much even in those languages
> now (&machine code was a tfn and only ever worked on the specific machine i
> wrote for (at best)).  Regards from
> Tom :) 
>
>
> --- On Mon, 15/10/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:
>
> From: Andreas Säger 
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system
> files, like /dev/null in Linux To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 7:17
>
> Am 14.10.2012 21:08, chaonis wrote:
> > I am trying to write scripts accessing the system files, such as
> > /dev/ttyS0. If I use "Open" I got the error "Device I/O error" message.
> > Are there any special function call needed to be done for the system
> > files? User permission is good as I can access to the file using any
> > other Linux commands.
>
> You have so many programming languages availlable. Why StarBasic?
> StarBasic is the most primitive API-caller. It is almost useless for
> anything outside the UNO scope. (Apart from that, it is the worst
> implementation of an extinct language).
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, macros, toolbars from Normal.dot

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, that is the best way to migrate.  Keep whatever MS Office you happen to 
have and install LO.  There's no reason to upgrade the MS Office so you still 
make the saving but you still have acess to it when you need it.  Gradually you 
find more and more reason to use LO as you learn more about how to use it and 
less reason to be pushed into using MSO.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Sun, 14/10/12, anne-ology  wrote:

From: anne-ology 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: From MS Word to Writer: keeping my styles, 
macros, toolbars from Normal.dot
To: "Andreas Säger" 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 23:21

       why not just keep both programs on the machine  ;-)



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Andreas Säger  wrote:

Am 11.10.2012 11:43, Kyla Robertson wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm migrating from MS Word (Office 2002 !) to LibO Writer. In Word, my
> > Normal.dot template contains many, many things: about 150 styles, 250
> > macros, some auto-insert texts, some custom shortcuts, many toolbars
> > and custom buttons.
> >
> > How can I keep this all to use it with Writer?
> >
> > In "Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to OpenOffice.org
> > from other office [suites] (2004)"
> > (
> http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf
> ),
> > I found a few things:
> >  * AutoText entries: will the built-in method to import them still
> > work with LibO 3.6.2?(should I get version 3.6.2 or 3.5.6, btw? I'm
> > not sure I understand the difference.)
> >  * AutoCorrect entries: there's a work-around with a macro and the
> > editing of a ./user/autocorr/acorr.dat file...
> >  * Custom dictionaries: there was a work-around to import their
> > content, but the link to download the macro isn't valid anymore.
> >
> > Do you know of a more recent migration guide, or a tutorial on the
> > Web, or forum post maybe? I couldn't find anything else.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help!
> >
>
> This is not a free clone of some other program. All it can do is loading
> .doc files fairly well. Please switch to this software or stay with
> WinWord.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, like /dev/null in Linux

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
What are 'the best' languages to choose?  Python and/or C++? or something else?

I know 'the best' is a bit subject to personal feelings and knowledge and 
experience but it would be interesting to hear people's opinions.  From what i 
can gather Python and C++ are teh best although mainstream seems to rate Java 
more highly and it appears in job ads more often.  On the other hand when jobs 
ask for C++ the pay-grade is far higher.  I got as far as Speccy Basic, a 
little pascal and some machine code but i think that's all s far behind me 
that i doubt i could write much even in those languages now (&machine code was 
a tfn and only ever worked on the specific machine i wrote for (at best)).  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 15/10/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: BASIC script how to read/write system files, 
like /dev/null in Linux
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 7:17

Am 14.10.2012 21:08, chaonis wrote:
> I am trying to write scripts accessing the system files, such as /dev/ttyS0.
> If I use "Open" I got the error "Device I/O error" message. Are there any
> special function call needed to be done for the system files? User
> permission is good as I can access to the file using any other Linux
> commands.
> 

You have so many programming languages availlable. Why StarBasic?
StarBasic is the most primitive API-caller. It is almost useless for
anything outside the UNO scope. (Apart from that, it is the worst
implementation of an extinct language).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number

[Brian Barker]

At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:

On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
could anyone tell me which formula I should use 
for the integer part of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...


The answer could be:
=IF(C3<1;0;INT(C3))


You are overthinking the problem: if C3 is positive, that's no different from
=INT(C3)

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Integer part of a number

[Pertti Rönnberg]

Good morning Gilles & others,

Provided that I got your problem right,

I think the answer is:

SumVotes_group1 = 5,78(in Calc e.g. in cellC3)

SumVotes_group2 = 7,34(in C4)

SumVotes_group3= 0,78(in C5)

SumVotes_ group4= 0,99(in C6)

The answer could be:

a >>write following formula in(e.g.)cellD3" =IF(c3<1;0;INT(c3))"

b >>copy the formula to d4..d6

The formula translated into english:

"if value in cell c3 is /_less than_/ '1' then d3 shall be '0', else (-- 
if c3 is '1' or bigger then -- ) use the integer of value in c3)"


I hope this is of help.

Pertti Rönnberg




On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:

Hello,

could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part of a
cell to be shown in another cell, and for the value of this cell to be
changed, since, for example, 5,77 would become equal to 5?

When finding out who won in an election, if one group or party gets a
result of 5,28, they get 5 seats, if the result is 0,77, they get no seat
at all, I would then want the figure 5 and the figure 0 to appear in a
cell.

But I need the real value to be 5 and 0, not only to be shown as such,
since these values (0 and not 0,77) will be used in another operation (to
know which group gets the last remaining seat).

I hope my question is not too unclear, thank you for your answers anyway,

G. Siche




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