Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 2018-07-09 14:21, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:01:37 + (UTC), Andrew Pitonyak wrote: On 2018-07-09 13:25, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: > You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function > wizard), extensions and new UNO components. This last part is very important for more serious programs. For certain serious integration, Basic fails, but it sounds like Python would be suitable. Of course, if you are asking what language to learn, you are not likely to write something so difficult, but, the fact that you can do it makes it easier. ok, I will write the firs very simple new UNO component, and I will documented it... Please, be merciful to my English Awesome! Also, your English is very understandable. the most important thing! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Howdy Patrick, et al; On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:11 AM Patrick Gelin wrote: > I think there is a problem with python: nomadism ! If I want to use my > USB key with Base connecting to HSQLDB I need to install > LibreOffice/OpenOffice into the PC, then JAVA, Then HSQLDB ... then > Python ! It's a lot. I would like to use nn install system at work > because admin installed LibreOffice and Java but not Python ... So may > be for me java would be better than python in this context. What I love > with Basic programmation : all it's embeded with my Base application ! > Well, maybe the flatpak release package would work better for your situation; just a thought. > > *** Do you know a good book for LibreOffice/OpenOffice/UNO Java/Python > programmation ? *** > What about UNO API if I use Python/Java ? Is there inline documentation ? > I would recommend first the SDK documentation. The with basic or python the use of an object inspector extension wich can link to that documentation. The SDK is available for download from the main site. You can find some information about python object inspectors and editors on the wiki at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Design_Guide > > What about events management if I'm using event catch into extern > application ? With basic I can open a simple dialog box to connect > events to catch function, but with extern program I will need to > register manualy. The interest to use LibreOffice Base is to build > rapidedly a simple database interface... > A lot of the 'how to' pages I find for libreoffice/python start with an example of running libreoffice in a mode that allows an external python application to interact with it. However you can also use python code from within the libreoffice application, through the macro support. When you do that then you can setup your listeners on many things, like documents or forms, just as easily using python as basic. Dialog boxes, as you note, is not one of them. Yes you have to set that up in your python script when you prep to instantiate the dialog and if you want to use the basic IDE dialog editor you have to do a tab bit more in python than basic. > > I know, if you use Python or Java you are connected with Uno. But I know > also there is some complexity with typing variables between Uno or > Java/Python scripts ... And then, I know also Python is using some C++ > interfaces,by memory for event mangement Uno is C++ also, isn't it ? > I would say, think of uno as a specification for an API and the uno objects which service requests through the api could be written in more then c++. (but IIRC, it has some c++ ish quirks) I think a python/libreoffice cookbook would be a great idea, btw. Best wishes, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Let's try sending that reply to the list also. (sorry) On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:01 PM Drew Jensen wrote: > Howdy Patrick, et al; > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:11 AM Patrick Gelin > wrote: > >> I think there is a problem with python: nomadism ! If I want to use my >> USB key with Base connecting to HSQLDB I need to install >> LibreOffice/OpenOffice into the PC, then JAVA, Then HSQLDB ... then >> Python ! It's a lot. I would like to use nn install system at work >> because admin installed LibreOffice and Java but not Python ... So may >> be for me java would be better than python in this context. What I love >> with Basic programmation : all it's embeded with my Base application ! >> > > Well, maybe the flatpak release package would work better for your > situation; just a thought. > >> >> *** Do you know a good book for LibreOffice/OpenOffice/UNO Java/Python >> programmation ? *** >> What about UNO API if I use Python/Java ? Is there inline documentation ? >> > I would recommend first the SDK documentation. The with basic or python > the use of an object inspector extension wich can link to that > documentation. > The SDK is available for download from the main site. > You can find some information about python object inspectors and editors > on the wiki at > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Design_Guide > > >> >> What about events management if I'm using event catch into extern >> application ? With basic I can open a simple dialog box to connect >> events to catch function, but with extern program I will need to >> register manualy. The interest to use LibreOffice Base is to build >> rapidedly a simple database interface... >> > A lot of the 'how to' pages I find for libreoffice/python start with an > example of running libreoffice in a mode that allows an external python > application to interact with it. > However you can also use python code from within the libreoffice > application, through the macro support. When you do that then you can setup > your listeners on many things, like documents or forms, just as easily > using python as basic. Dialog boxes, as you note, is not one of them. Yes > you have to set that up in your python script when you prep to instantiate > the dialog and if you want to use the basic IDE dialog editor you have to > do a tab bit more in python than basic. > > >> >> I know, if you use Python or Java you are connected with Uno. But I know >> also there is some complexity with typing variables between Uno or >> Java/Python scripts ... And then, I know also Python is using some C++ >> interfaces,by memory for event mangement Uno is C++ also, isn't it ? >> > I would say, think of uno as a specification for an API and the uno > objects which service requests through the api could be written in more > then c++. (but IIRC, it has some c++ ish quirks) > > I think a python/libreoffice cookbook would be a great idea, btw. > > Best wishes, > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
We were allowed the occasional GoTo, but only if it was a forward jump, never backwards. IF...THEN and ELSE DO were much to be preferred. I have tinkered with Python and would prefer it to Basic but have little need for any programming these days. Gordon. On 09/07/18 23:39, jonathon wrote: There is a Python implementation that includes GoTo! One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it My Pascal instructor was of the mind that the only two control structures needed were: * GoTo; * Repeat Until; That makes for some very messy code. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Hi :) @ Mauricio: Wow!!! That was very eloquent! :)) Thanks :) @ Gordon: Sorry! I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't get very far. It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using Basic at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time. @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to start with something else first to ease into it all? I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but at a very relaxed pace. Both seem quite good fun now :) Regards from a Tom :) On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper wrote: > GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. > > When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a > Basic program would soon become an unstructured mess of > GoTo's and a hassle to debug. One of our Pascal lecturers was > very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it > in his presence. > > Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory, > Gordon. > > > > On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote: > >> On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> >> I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy >>> >> There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the >> vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was >> called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to >> port software between the various systems that were available. >> >> Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. >> Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some >> variants don't have GoTo. >> >> jonathon >> >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un > subscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 18-07-09 11:20:49, Tom Davies wrote: @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to start with something else first to ease into it all? Python is great. Quite easy to get into, but capable enough that you can really get stuff done. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 09/07/18 05:19 AM, gordon cooper wrote: > GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. There is a Python implementation that includes GoTo! > One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, > or to even talk about it My Pascal instructor was of the mind that the only two control structures needed were: * GoTo; * Repeat Until; That makes for some very messy code. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
I think there is a problem with python: nomadism ! If I want to use my USB key with Base connecting to HSQLDB I need to install LibreOffice/OpenOffice into the PC, then JAVA, Then HSQLDB ... then Python ! It's a lot. I would like to use nn install system at work because admin installed LibreOffice and Java but not Python ... So may be for me java would be better than python in this context. What I love with Basic programmation : all it's embeded with my Base application ! *** Do you know a good book for LibreOffice/OpenOffice/UNO Java/Python programmation ? *** What about UNO API if I use Python/Java ? Is there inline documentation ? What about events management if I'm using event catch into extern application ? With basic I can open a simple dialog box to connect events to catch function, but with extern program I will need to register manualy. The interest to use LibreOffice Base is to build rapidedly a simple database interface... I know, if you use Python or Java you are connected with Uno. But I know also there is some complexity with typing variables between Uno or Java/Python scripts ... And then, I know also Python is using some C++ interfaces,by memory for event mangement Uno is C++ also, isn't it ? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?
On 07/08/2018 05:12 PM, James Knott wrote: > On 07/08/2018 04:52 PM, toki wrote: >> * /home/ your-user-name /.config/libreoffice/4/user/template/ > Found 'em there. However, that does nothing for the problem of removing > My Templates, so that my templates are not mixed in with a bunch of > supplied templates that I don't use. > > I don't understand the trend, not just here, but in other things too, of > breaking things that have worked well and replacing them with things > that are dumbed down or broken. > > My Templates was very useful. How could anyone be so unbelievably > stupid as to think removing it was an "improvement"? > > I'm using LO 6.0.3.2 on Linux Mint and I still have "My Templates." It just takes a couple steps to get there. If I click on "File" > "Templates" > "Manage Templates", I am met with a dialog box with templates. The default view on my computer shows all templates of a given type (Document, Spreadsheet, etc.). In the upper right corner of the dialog box is a drop down box. It seems to default to "All Categories," but if I click on the drop down arrow, I can select "My Templates" and then see only the templates I have created. So, I think "My Templates" is still there; it just doesn't pop up by default as I seem to remember it did in the past. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] My Templates?
On 07/09/2018 09:23 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 07/08/2018 05:12 PM, James Knott wrote: On 07/08/2018 04:52 PM, toki wrote: * /home/ your-user-name /.config/libreoffice/4/user/template/ Found 'em there. However, that does nothing for the problem of removing My Templates, so that my templates are not mixed in with a bunch of supplied templates that I don't use. I don't understand the trend, not just here, but in other things too, of breaking things that have worked well and replacing them with things that are dumbed down or broken. My Templates was very useful. How could anyone be so unbelievably stupid as to think removing it was an "improvement"? I'm using LO 6.0.3.2 on Linux Mint and I still have "My Templates." It just takes a couple steps to get there. If I click on "File" > "Templates" > "Manage Templates", I am met with a dialog box with templates. The default view on my computer shows all templates of a given type (Document, Spreadsheet, etc.). In the upper right corner of the dialog box is a drop down box. It seems to default to "All Categories," but if I click on the drop down arrow, I can select "My Templates" and then see only the templates I have created. So, I think "My Templates" is still there; it just doesn't pop up by default as I seem to remember it did in the past. Virgil Here is my thought. I am starting Libreoffice 6.05.2. No templates. I happen to have a folder containing all of my created templates. Then, I used Manage Templates as you did. That is when I clicked the Import button. First I selected My Templates as the place where I wanted to import them. I browsed to my template "repository" and selected all of the templates I wanted and imported all of them at one time. Like you said, when the selection on the Manage Templates page was All categories, I saw all of the templates: mine as well as all of the others. And as you said, selecting "My Templates" shows only mine. Here is something that I also discovered that you might also consider. I closed Manage Templates. Then I reopened it. It opened at "My Templates". I have a feeling that whatever choice you use as to what type of templates you want to see is the same thing you will see the next time. I have done this twice with the same result. I have also create more categories by going to the template folder you mentioned above. I created a subfolder there to contain templates with a similar property. Then I moved them into it. When I opened "Manage Templates" again, the name of that folder appeared in the drop down list. I suppose this is called organization... Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
Disclaimer: I have only used Python once to to talk to LO. In fact, I work pretty hard to write all of my "macros" in Basic because support is very consistent across platforms. I cannot comment directly on Python, but, in Basic, I do not need to worry about which interface handles which calls, that level of detail is handled for free. If I decided to not use Basic, I would evaluate which other language has the best integration, and, I cannot comment on that since I rarely leave Basic. I looked at Python because there was an issue with the Python version for a macro that someone wrote and they were having trouble with integration. My Primary complaint about Python is that the block structure is directly related to the spacing and I have had that messed with as I moved between machines and operating system. I do not expect that to be a problem if you do not move between machines and if you have full control over the editor that use in terms of how it is configured... And if you are not pasting code that others have written or from web sites. All of those issues have caused me issues all related to how Python interprets blocks. When I write code in my Python specific editor and I stay on one machine, and I do not integrate code from other places, I have no problems with it. I should note that I work with some people who feel that they must solve every problem with Python. As for your first language, I do not see a problem with using Python, but I also do not see a problem using Basic. Much depends on your end goal. Especially if you limit external dependencies, Python should run unchanged on most machines with a few caveats. Why do you want to program? More specifically, what do you want to produce? What type of programs do you want to write? (GUI, command line, control LO, etc...) How portable must your code be? If you want to write a GUI and it will only run on Windows, I think that Visual Studio has a decent environment for development. I spend way more time writing Java and C++ these days, which means that I have not been using Visual Studio lately. On 2018-07-09 6:20, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) @ Mauricio: Wow!!! That was very eloquent! :)) Thanks :) @ Gordon: Sorry! I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't get very far. It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using Basic at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time. @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to start with something else first to ease into it all? I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but at a very relaxed pace. Both seem quite good fun now :) Regards from a Tom :) On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper wrote: GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo. When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a Basic program would soon become an unstructured mess of GoTo's and a hassle to debug. One of our Pascal lecturers was very anti-Basic and forbade us to use it, or to even talk about it in his presence. Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory, Gordon. On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote: On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty easy There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to port software between the various systems that were available. Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo. Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some variants don't have GoTo. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-un subscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:20:49 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > > > @ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language? - or is it better to > start with something else first to ease into it all? > All languages have pros and contra, but the advantages of Python are very big more than it you disadvantageous. For example, the indentation in code, that have effect in the execution, for some users it's a problem, for me it's a virtue. The majority modern IDEs, help you with this. Basic, maybe it's perfect for you, depend what you needed. But, Python is so much funny... :) You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function wizard), extensions and new UNO components. With some precautions, Python is perfectly portable. Is possible insert code Python into documents ODF. The short curve for learn Python, it's more short with our help. If you or others are interested, we can continuity the wiki document for Python macros. [1] Best regards [1]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On 2018-07-09 13:25, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function wizard), extensions and new UNO components. This last part is very important for more serious programs. For certain serious integration, Basic fails, but it sounds like Python would be suitable. Of course, if you are asking what language to learn, you are not likely to write something so difficult, but, the fact that you can do it makes it easier. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] About pseudo objects with Basic code ...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:01:37 + (UTC), Andrew Pitonyak wrote: > On 2018-07-09 13:25, Mauricio Baeza Servin wrote: > > > You can make; macros, functions of Calc (full integrated in function > > wizard), extensions and new UNO components. > > This last part is very important for more serious programs. For certain > serious integration, Basic fails, but it sounds like Python would be > suitable. Of course, if you are asking what language to learn, you are > not likely to write something so difficult, but, the fact that you can > do it makes it easier. > ok, I will write the firs very simple new UNO component, and I will documented it... Please, be merciful to my English -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
