date:20110617

I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty 
good time with it so far, but have run into something I don't 
understand, and cannot find documentation about.


I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it 
is a detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.


I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.

With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to 
the data in a memo field.


With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, 
actually) is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents of 
the fields involved.


So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text boxes.

The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's text 
boxes, then do the same with the other, the settings in the first 
disappear. Either, alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the 
last one I specify sticks and actually shows up in the displayed form. 
The problem is entirely consistent. After many tried to get things to 
work, the problem remains.


This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation 
of LO or HSQLDB.


Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Tom Cloyd

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

Sorry to have forgotten this: I'm running LO  3.3.2  on Kubuntu Linux  
11.04.


On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty 
good time with it so far, but have run into something I don't 
understand, and cannot find documentation about.


I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it 
is a detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.


I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.

With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to 
the data in a memo field.


With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, 
actually) is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents 
of the fields involved.


So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text 
boxes.


The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's 
text boxes, then do the same with the other, the settings in the first 
disappear. Either, alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the 
last one I specify sticks and actually shows up in the displayed 
form. The problem is entirely consistent. After many tried to get 
things to work, the problem remains.


This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation 
of LO or HSQLDB.


Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Tom Cloyd




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[libreoffice-users] fields added to table do not show up in form grid


Am deeply puzzled by this one:

I have a master-slave form. The master db is shown in a grid control.

I just added several fields to the table which supplied data to the grid 
control, then relaunched the form. No changes are visible. Where are the 
new table fields? The appear in several views which employ the updated 
table, but I cannot get them to appear in the form.


I would expect them to appear automatically, but if not, then there 
should be a way to add them manually. But I cannot see where this is. I 
MUST have these fields in the form.


Can anyone suggest what the problem might be, and how I can fix it?

Thanks in advance!

Tom Cloyd

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: General input/output error when saving to network drive

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Edmonds

On 17/06/11 3:51 PM, protonpusher wrote:

Another update. First off, in response to Jean-Francois, I checked, and there
are no special characters in the share name or server name.

I also have some more test results. Using two computers (Old Toshiba
Satellite, and desktop) I ran the Live cd for both Ubuntu 10.10 (has OOo),
and Ubuntu 11.04 (has LO). The results are not surprising.

On both machines Ubuntu 11.04/LO, LO was unable to save to the network
share, and unable to open files on the network share through LO using the
save and open commands. Opening files does nothing, saving files produces
the error listed above.

On both machines Ubuntu 10.10/OOo worked just fine. I could open and save
files just fine to the network with no problem.

For what it is worth, to mount the network share I use Nautilus. I go to
Network, find the network drive (MYBOOKLIVE), and open it. It has several
shares, and I double click to open one, and the share then appears on the
desktop. The share is also then available on the list of places I can open
and save to from within LO (it just fails to actually open or save)

At this point I am sort of stumped. It does seem like a bug though.

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you if it is Ubuntu related or LO related.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

Just found the answer. I may be misleading myself at times due to [a] 
prior experience of several years duration with MS Access, and [b] my 
being very new to LO base.


What doesn't work is to add text box control to a form and specify their 
data, in their properties, as a field in the main table. Do that and you 
get the problem I outlined below.


What does work is, in design mode, to select the grid control, then 
click the add field icon in the toolbar at page bottom, THEN select 
from this list desired fields.


NOW I have data showing up in ALL text boxes on the form. Lovely!

Tom

On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty 
good time with it so far, but have run into something I don't 
understand, and cannot find documentation about.


I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it 
is a detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.


I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.

With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to 
the data in a memo field.


With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, 
actually) is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents 
of the fields involved.


So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text 
boxes.


The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's 
text boxes, then do the same with the other, the settings in the first 
disappear. Either, alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the 
last one I specify sticks and actually shows up in the displayed 
form. The problem is entirely consistent. After many tried to get 
things to work, the problem remains.


This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation 
of LO or HSQLDB.


Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Tom Cloyd




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font colour bucketfill and palette behaviour

2011-06-17 Thread Jonor


Tom Davies wrote:
 
 Is it happening when you try to highlight text?
 

Yes but only if the bucketfill is used and it happens when using font colour
bucketfill too.


Jack wrote:
 
 I believe you ran into this bug:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37955
 It looks like a work-around is mentioned, but I suspect it may not be
 ideal.  Let us know if this is indeed the bug you are referring to.
 

Yes, comment 4 by sasha.libreoffice describes my problem but i will need to
work out how to undock the 
standard toolbar and dock it on the left or right margin to try the
work-around.
I intend to register and comment on that freedesktop.org thread and report
back with my findings.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: CT2N Extension.

2011-06-17 Thread Tinkerer

Thank you Stephan

I copied and pasted the quantities in text from an article.
In the end it was quicker to print it out and just type them in, but I
thought using CT2N would guarantee the accuracy. 
Do you think there would be much demand for such a function?

Best regards,  Tink.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

WH :)

So, you have fixed your own problem!?  How did you find the answer?  
Documentation or experimentation?  


Do you have time to join the Documentation Team and perhaps help them for maybe 
a few hours a week or something?  Base documentation needs a lot of work and 
there are not many people that understand relational database programs.  There 
are various 3rd party documents in copy-left agreements that could be used or 
reffered to to help.  If you don't have time right now then don't worry.  There 
are a couple of people already but help is always appreciated :)

Congrats and regards from
Tom :)





From: Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 9:22:12
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave 
form

Just found the answer. I may be misleading myself at times due to [a] prior 
experience of several years duration with MS Access, and [b] my being very new 
to LO base.

What doesn't work is to add text box control to a form and specify their data, 
in their properties, as a field in the main table. Do that and you get the 
problem I outlined below.

What does work is, in design mode, to select the grid control, then click the 
add field icon in the toolbar at page bottom, THEN select from this list 
desired fields.

NOW I have data showing up in ALL text boxes on the form. Lovely!

Tom

On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
 I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty good 
time with it so far, but have run into something I don't understand, and 
cannot 
find documentation about.
 
 I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it is a 
detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.
 
 I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.
 
 With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to the 
 data 
in a memo field.
 
 With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, 
 actually) 
is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents of the fields 
involved.
 
 So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text boxes.
 
 The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's text 
 boxes, 
then do the same with the other, the settings in the first disappear. Either, 
alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the last one I specify 
sticks 
and actually shows up in the displayed form. The problem is entirely 
consistent. 
After many tried to get things to work, the problem remains.
 
 This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation of LO 
 or 
HSQLDB.
 
 Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help you can give!
 
 Tom Cloyd
 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing With OSX 10.6.7

2011-06-17 Thread Tinkerer

Michael

I only have the one printer in Snow Leopard, but I think you problem lies
with System X rather than LibreO.
Way back I changed printers and I had to remove the old printer before the
new printer became the real Default.
That was in the days of Panther though.

Tink.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing With OSX 10.6.7

2011-06-17 Thread Tinkerer

Michael

Second thoughts.
Are you using the Apple Printer Driver, or the one supplied by the printer
Manufacturer?
My preference is for the Apple drivers, especially with Epson printers.

Tink.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

Well, nuts. You really know how to get to me. I love databases, and I'm 
coming to love this one (after about 6 days of work with it), and its 
manifestation in LO seems versatile, rock solid, and damn poorly 
documented. Oh...that last on does NOT cause love.


However, I love to document stuff (shouldn't say that, I know, but it's 
true). So...yeah, I 'll join up. I'm seriously going to be working this 
db hard, and I might as well help others when I can, as I really really 
have had rather little trouble getting it to work for me.


How did I find the answer? It wasn't any documentation, for sure. I just 
kept coming at the problem until I got a new idea that actually worked.


I just solved my other problem too (other thread) and will report on it 
there...


OK...off to sign up. This really is important - a fine db (which is what 
HSQL truly) secretly hidden in LO. WHooo indeed.


t.

On 06/17/2011 02:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

WH :)

So, you have fixed your own problem!?  How did you find the answer?
Documentation or experimentation?


Do you have time to join the Documentation Team and perhaps help them for maybe
a few hours a week or something?  Base documentation needs a lot of work and
there are not many people that understand relational database programs.  There
are various 3rd party documents in copy-left agreements that could be used or
reffered to to help.  If you don't have time right now then don't worry.  There
are a couple of people already but help is always appreciated :)

Congrats and regards from
Tom :)





From: Tom Cloydt...@tomcloyd.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 9:22:12
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave
form

Just found the answer. I may be misleading myself at times due to [a] prior
experience of several years duration with MS Access, and [b] my being very new
to LO base.

What doesn't work is to add text box control to a form and specify their data,
in their properties, as a field in the main table. Do that and you get the
problem I outlined below.

What does work is, in design mode, to select the grid control, then click the
add field icon in the toolbar at page bottom, THEN select from this list
desired fields.

NOW I have data showing up in ALL text boxes on the form. Lovely!

Tom

On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:

I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty good
time with it so far, but have run into something I don't understand, and cannot
find documentation about.

I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it is a
detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.

I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.

With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to the data
in a memo field.

With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, actually)
is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents of the fields
involved.

So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text boxes.

The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's text boxes,
then do the same with the other, the settings in the first disappear. Either,
alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the last one I specify sticks
and actually shows up in the displayed form. The problem is entirely consistent.
After many tried to get things to work, the problem remains.

This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation of LO or
HSQLDB.

Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Tom Cloyd



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Re: [libreoffice-users] fields added to table do not show up in form grid

Just found the solution to this one, too. Another piece of obscurity 
which, once seen, just works.


1. Place focus on grid form.
2. Click the add field icon in the toolbar at the bottom of the 
window; it's the blue/green thingie that's 6 icons in from the left (why 
the hell don't these things have names in their tooltips? argh!) The 
fields in the table attached to the grid form should appear in the add 
field modal window.
3. Do NOT click on a field in the window, unless you want the field to 
appear as a text box control on the form itself, outside of the grid 
(which IS useful). To get the field that is NOT in the grid to appear 
there, click and drag it to the top of the grid where the other table 
column field names are to be seen.


The field names in the top border of the grid form behave like the field 
names in a query/view construction window: You can move them around with 
your mouse. Slick.


So...all's well for me with this db...at least for a while.

T.


On 06/17/2011 02:14 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:

Am deeply puzzled by this one:

I have a master-slave form. The master db is shown in a grid control.

I just added several fields to the table which supplied data to the 
grid control, then relaunched the form. No changes are visible. Where 
are the new table fields? The appear in several views which employ the 
updated table, but I cannot get them to appear in the form.


I would expect them to appear automatically, but if not, then there 
should be a way to add them manually. But I cannot see where this is. 
I MUST have these fields in the form.


Can anyone suggest what the problem might be, and how I can fix it?

Thanks in advance!

Tom Cloyd




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[libreoffice-users] Font colour bucketfill and palette behaviour

2011-06-17 Thread Jonor

Following your directions Tom i managed to move the toolbar but regrettably
the work-around fails on my system.
I still intend to comment though.

My second issue with LO Writer and this is the one that RedHat Bugzilla say
is intentional, 
is the lack of the capacity to initiate font colour bucketfill by clicking
on a colour in the palette. 
Highlight bucketfill can be initiated this way but font bucketfill has to be
initiated through the toolbar button only.
OO had this option and it's loss on moving to LO seems only detrimental to
me.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font colour bucketfill and palette behaviour

Hi :)
It might be worth writing a new bug-report and in the subject-line put 
[wish-list] before the brief heading.  This guide might have better 
instructions for filing a feature request in a much better way.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
LibreOffice and TDF seems to have  better infra-structure than most other 
projects.

Generally in mailing lists (and forums) it is better to start a new thread 
instead of adding and another thing to the bottom of something else.  It 
helps 
make the archives easier to search for answers.  For the mailing lists i think 
you do that by writing a new email and then copypaste the address from the 
To 
field, ie in this case
users@global.libreoffice.org
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)






From: Jonor jono...@fastmail.fm
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 10:53:34
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Font colour bucketfill and palette behaviour

Following your directions Tom i managed to move the toolbar but regrettably
the work-around fails on my system.
I still intend to comment though.

My second issue with LO Writer and this is the one that RedHat Bugzilla say
is intentional, 
is the lack of the capacity to initiate font colour bucketfill by clicking
on a colour in the palette. 
Highlight bucketfill can be initiated this way but font bucketfill has to be
initiated through the toolbar button only.
OO had this option and it's loss on moving to LO seems only detrimental to
me.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Landscape printing issue

2011-06-17 Thread David Griffiths

David Griffiths wrote:

 Hello
 
 I have just discovered an error when printing in landscape format on my
 system. Whether I create a normal text page or a DL envelope document in
 Writer, the printed output does not match the preview.
 
 The page preview for my DL envelope test can be seen here:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21689478/image_20110616-231908.png
 
 and this is a scanned copy of the actual output here:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21689478/actual-print.jpg
 
 I am able to print landscape from other applications, such as Kate, without
 problem so I do not believe it is a printer problem on my system, CUPS can
 test print correctly as well.
 
 Can anyone else confirm that they see a similar issue? If so I will report a
 bug. Otherwise I am not sure what else to try. I had this problem with 3.3.2
 and today upgraded to 3.3.3 before trying again. Many thanks in advance.
 
 Dave
 
 opensuse 11.4 64Bit, KDE 4.6.4 CUPS 1.4.6 to Epson R300 by Gutenprint v5.2.6
 LibreOffice 3.3.3
 
For anyone that may see this issue, further investigation revealed I was in 
fact the victim of https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692356.

Resolved as advised in the bug report.

Dave

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[libreoffice-users] Font colour bucketfill and palette behaviour

2011-06-17 Thread Jonor

Sasha's toolbar suggest at 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37955
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37955 
has increased productivity and it is nice to know the problem is recognized.
I've added a wish list item as you suggested, could have put several items
in there 
regarding bucketfill/palette behaviour but didn't want to appear greedy 

regards,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font colour bucketfill and palette behaviour

Hi :)
It is better to put each request as a separate item, as with forums and mailing 
lists and for the same reasons.  Filing bug-reports is great.  Triagers sort 
out 
the priorities and even mark which is an easy hack to help people learn how 
to 
produce code for LibreOffice.  The other benefit is that it potentially 
improves 
the product for everyone so feel free to post some more bug-reports! :)  Not 
that they don't have quite a lot to work on already but there are a lot of them 
and many more joining all the time.  People that have little or no experience 
of 
programming in other real-world projects can use the easy hacks to learn with 
support and feedback from the more experienced people.  LibreOffice is a very 
positive project!
Regards from
Tom :)






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Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 13:20:13
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Sasha's toolbar suggest at 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37955
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37955 
has increased productivity and it is nice to know the problem is recognized.
I've added a wish list item as you suggested, could have put several items
in there 
regarding bucketfill/palette behaviour but didn't want to appear greedy 

regards,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs

2011-06-17 Thread John B


Tom

Thanks - I have posted the request  below  today - I will let you know 
if I get a response.


I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the 
most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned 
its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not 
compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge 
in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting 
is a bit hit and miss.




[wish-list]

/There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use 
Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because 
of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is 
where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs.


Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and 
IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk.


At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab 
documents within a Word processor so you would be unique.


One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division).

The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the 
documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, 
+2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the 
group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years 
correspondence or headings or whatever etc).


Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 
is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the 
whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date 
massively improves.


I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that 
it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more 
inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle 
multi documents.


I have group tabs that go like this +1990's  +1991  Contracts  
(then a single tab 12/03/91


Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it 
as a separate item. You can copy  paste, insert, you can move a tab, 
(like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document.


The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 
- 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an 
unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure.


Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time 
becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions)


I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. 
Please consider this


Thank you

John Brassington
/
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Hi :)
This guide might help?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

I think i would post as a normal bug but put  at the start of the
subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!)
Regards from
Tom :)






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Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area?


Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs

2011-06-17 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs
on this issue.  They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement
WordPro windows for documents.  Right now they have taken the brain dead
Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab.


On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote:

 Tom
 
 Thanks - I have posted the request  below  today - I will let you know 
 if I get a response.
 
 I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the 
 most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned 
 its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not 
 compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge 
 in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting 
 is a bit hit and miss.
 
  
 
 [wish-list]
 
 /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use 
 Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because 
 of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is 
 where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs.
 
 Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and 
 IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk.
 
 At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab 
 documents within a Word processor so you would be unique.
 
 One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division).
 
 The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the 
 documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, 
 +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the 
 group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years 
 correspondence or headings or whatever etc).
 
 Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 
 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the 
 whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date 
 massively improves.
 
 I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that 
 it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more 
 inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle 
 multi documents.
 
 I have group tabs that go like this +1990's  +1991  Contracts  
 (then a single tab 12/03/91
 
 Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it 
 as a separate item. You can copy  paste, insert, you can move a tab, 
 (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document.
 
 The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 
 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an 
 unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure.
 
 Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time 
 becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions)
 
 I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. 
 Please consider this
 
 Thank you
 
 John Brassington
 /
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 On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  This guide might help?
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
 
  I think i would post as a normal bug but put  at the start of the
  subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!)
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
  
  From: John Bjo...@email2.me
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01
  Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area?
 
 
  Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted?
 
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[libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.



A paragraph that points to pcmag.com's article about 100 Essential Tips 
for Microsoft Office 2010 list the following rule:

[quote]
For most of the world, Microsoft Office 2010 follows the 80/20 rule: 80% 
of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

[unquote]

That 80% that is not used by the 80% of the users is what MSO advertised 
a few years ago that these were the most needed options by users and 
were most of the advertised thousands of new functions added for their 
next upgraded product.  I was told once that of that 80% not used, about 
90% of that figured features are used by only 1% of MSO's users.  Can 
anyone spell B.L.O.A.T.


I hope LibreOffice never has that type of rule applied to their office 
suite.  The extensions solve many of the functions that are needed by 
the small percentage of users.  We do not need them to be installed by 
default.  We do not need to be able to do spreadsheet functions in a 
Writer document, but I was told that Word can do that if you knew how to 
do it properly.  That is bloat for rarely function used concept and 
should not be in a wordprocessing document.  Copy/Paste a spreadsheet 
into a Writer document is OK, but we do not need to bring all of Calc's 
function over to Writer so you can user Writer for Calc work.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

Hi :)

Lol, i can't believe they are advertising one of the key reasons we give to 
people for walking away from MSO.  Obviously every single user believes they 
are 
in the 1% that uses too many of the advanced features and so could not possibly 
walk away.

The specific example of not needing spreadsheet functionality inside the 
word-processor is not great.  It does explain the point but LibreOffice (and 
OpenOffice) are more tightly integrated then MSO so the functionality is easier 
to reach without it really being 'inside' the wrong app.  At least that's the 
impression i have.  


Regards from
Tom :)






From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 15:33:52
Subject: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% 
of the functionality.


A paragraph that points to pcmag.com's article about 100 Essential Tips for 
Microsoft Office 2010 list the following rule:
[quote]
For most of the world, Microsoft Office 2010 follows the 80/20 rule: 80% of the 
people use about 20% of the functionality.
[unquote]

That 80% that is not used by the 80% of the users is what MSO advertised a few 
years ago that these were the most needed options by users and were most of the 
advertised thousands of new functions added for their next upgraded product.  
I was told once that of that 80% not used, about 90% of that figured features 
are used by only 1% of MSO's users.  Can anyone spell B.L.O.A.T.

I hope LibreOffice never has that type of rule applied to their office suite.  
The extensions solve many of the functions that are needed by the small 
percentage of users.  We do not need them to be installed by default.  We do 
not 
need to be able to do spreadsheet functions in a Writer document, but I was 
told 
that Word can do that if you knew how to do it properly.  That is bloat for 
rarely function used concept and should not be in a wordprocessing document.  
Copy/Paste a spreadsheet into a Writer document is OK, but we do not need to 
bring all of Calc's function over to Writer so you can user Writer for Calc 
work.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-17 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit


Il 17/06/2011 16:33, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions ha scritto:


A paragraph that points to pcmag.com's article about 100 Essential Tips
for Microsoft Office 2010 list the following rule:
[quote]
For most of the world, Microsoft Office 2010 follows the 80/20 rule: 80%
of the people use about 20% of the functionality.
[unquote]

That 80% that is not used by the 80% of the users is what MSO advertised
a few years ago that these were the most needed options by users and
were most of the advertised thousands of new functions added for their
next upgraded product. I was told once that of that 80% not used, about
90% of that figured features are used by only 1% of MSO's users. Can
anyone spell B.L.O.A.T.


the fact is that the 20% used isn't the same for everybody, for example 
I use function from 1 to 20 and my friend from 3 to 23 and another 
friend from 6 to 26, so in the world every function is used by some 20%, 
this is the why libo' isn't so diffused and used, becouse you can easily 
find something that you use in office that isn't present in libo'. :-))



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs

2011-06-17 Thread John B


Dear Roland

It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman 
says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for 
Cold Guinness.


I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 
files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside 
were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought  of 
course, it was like a Eureka moment.


Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 
months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a 
client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names 
each time you send a new letter such a 
fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office.


I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM

thanks

John B

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On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote:

If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs
on this issue.  They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement
WordPro windows for documents.  Right now they have taken the brain dead
Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab.


On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote:


Tom

Thanks - I have posted the request  below  today - I will let you know
if I get a response.

I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the
most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned
its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not
compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge
in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting
is a bit hit and miss.

  

[wish-list]

/There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use
Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because
of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is
where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs.

Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and
IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk.

At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab
documents within a Word processor so you would be unique.

One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division).

The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the
documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011,
+2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the
group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years
correspondence or headings or whatever etc).

Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000
is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the
whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date
massively improves.

I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that
it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more
inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle
multi documents.

I have group tabs that go like this +1990's  +1991  Contracts
(then a single tab 12/03/91

Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it
as a separate item. You can copy  paste, insert, you can move a tab,
(like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document.

The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10
- 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an
unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure.

Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time
becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions)

I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor.
Please consider this

Thank you

John Brassington
/
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On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
This guide might help?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

I think i would post as a normal bug but put  at the start of the
subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!)
Regards from
Tom :)






From: John Bjo...@email2.me
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area?


Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs

Dear John,

uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening!  Grin

Actually, the they I refer to is every other word processor on the
face of the planet.

I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control
architecture.  I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing
project.  Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and
clippings from other sources, etc.  You could re-arrange the tabs and
put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which
didn't.  It was a mind blowing architecture.

I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old.
I create a directory for each client.  If I don't do any billable work
for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the
next OS/machine upgrade.



On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote:

 Dear Roland
 
 It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman 
 says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for 
 Cold Guinness.
 
 I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 
 files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside 
 were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought  of 
 course, it was like a Eureka moment.
 
 Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 
 months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a 
 client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names 
 each time you send a new letter such a 
 fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office.
 
 I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM
 
 thanks
 
 John B
 
 --
 
 
 On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote:
  If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs
  on this issue.  They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement
  WordPro windows for documents.  Right now they have taken the brain dead
  Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab.
 
 
  On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote:
 
  Tom
 
  Thanks - I have posted the request  below  today - I will let you know
  if I get a response.
 
  I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the
  most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned
  its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not
  compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge
  in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting
  is a bit hit and miss.
 

 
  [wish-list]
 
  /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use
  Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because
  of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is
  where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs.
 
  Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and
  IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk.
 
  At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab
  documents within a Word processor so you would be unique.
 
  One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division).
 
  The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the
  documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011,
  +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the
  group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years
  correspondence or headings or whatever etc).
 
  Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000
  is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the
  whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date
  massively improves.
 
  I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that
  it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more
  inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle
  multi documents.
 
  I have group tabs that go like this +1990's  +1991  Contracts
  (then a single tab 12/03/91
 
  Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it
  as a separate item. You can copy  paste, insert, you can move a tab,
  (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document.
 
  The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10
  - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an
  unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure.
 
  Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time
  becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions)
 
  I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor.
  Please consider this
 
  Thank you
 
  John Brassington
  /
  --
 
 
  On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote:

Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

Hi :)

No, i think the point is that of that same 20% not everyone uses all of that 
20%.  Yes people use different features from each other but all the features 
they use tend to be fairly basic ones, eg not macros and almost none of the 
formulas in Excel.  It's all very imprecise of course.  

Regards from
Tom :)






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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 16:01:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 
20% of the functionality.

Il 17/06/2011 16:33, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions ha scritto:
 
 A paragraph that points to pcmag.com's article about 100 Essential Tips
 for Microsoft Office 2010 list the following rule:
 [quote]
 For most of the world, Microsoft Office 2010 follows the 80/20 rule: 80%
 of the people use about 20% of the functionality.
 [unquote]
 
 That 80% that is not used by the 80% of the users is what MSO advertised
 a few years ago that these were the most needed options by users and
 were most of the advertised thousands of new functions added for their
 next upgraded product. I was told once that of that 80% not used, about
 90% of that figured features are used by only 1% of MSO's users. Can
 anyone spell B.L.O.A.T.

the fact is that the 20% used isn't the same for everybody, for example I use 
function from 1 to 20 and my friend from 3 to 23 and another friend from 6 to 
26, so in the world every function is used by some 20%, this is the why libo' 
isn't so diffused and used, becouse you can easily find something that you use 
in office that isn't present in libo'. :-))


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: General input/output error when saving to network drive

2011-06-17 Thread Wayne Stidolph

I see the same General-on save/nothing on open behavior with LO3.4
trying to directly read/write to a Synology NAS:

* Fedora 14 64-bit, wired connection
* Fedora 15 32-bit, wireless connection

Double-clicking on the remote ODT file from Nautilous works - the doc
opens in LO. And, changing the doc so opened and saving it from inside
LO works fine - the doc on the NAS is updated (and verified by opening
it from the other machine).

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Steve Edmonds
steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:

On 17/06/11 3:51 PM, protonpusher wrote:

Another update. First off, in response to Jean-Francois, I checked, and
there
are no special characters in the share name or server name.

On both machines Ubuntu 10.10/OOo worked just fine. I could open and save
files just fine to the network with no problem.

At this point I am sort of stumped. It does seem like a bug though.

Hi. Run the live CD of Ubuntu 10.10 and install LO. This will then tell you
if it is Ubuntu related or LO related.
steve

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[libreoffice-users] very slow windows swithing with LO 3.3.3

2011-06-17 Thread Thomas Blasejewicz

Yesterday or so I upgraded my LO3.3.0 version
  (running on Windox XP desktop) to LO 3.3.3 (final version).Now I noticed, 
that if you are working within LO for a while and
  then try to switch to Firefox,the switch takes something like 10-20 
seconds!This DID NOT happen before.If I repeat that operation IMMEDIATELY after 
the first switch,
  response is about normal, but after working in LOfor a few moments, I 
have to wait what feels like half an eternity
  until the brower appears.This does NOT happen, when I switch from other 
software(s) to
  Firefox. Only with LO.Is this supposed to be a sign of improvement?Is 
there any way to fix this problem?(I find this very annoying, in particular in 
situation like now,
  where I am working against the clock ...)Thank you.Thomas
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-17 Thread lee

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com
writes:

 The extensions solve many of the functions that are needed by
 the small percentage of users.  We do not need them to be installed by
 default.

Spreading things across too many packages (that one can optionally
install) isn´t so great, either: because when you look for a particular
functionality and don´t find it in the minimum set of packages you do
have installed, it makes you easily figure that the particular
functionality you´re looking for isn´t available at all.

 We do not need to be able to do spreadsheet functions in a
 Writer document, but I was told that Word can do that if you knew how
 to do it properly.

Well, I do like it very much that I have spreadsheet functionality in
org-mode of emacs ... If emacs had libre office functionality, I´d use
it instead of libre office.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: General input/output error when saving to network drive

Hi Steve and Wayne

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:07 -0700, Wayne Stidolph wrote:

I see the same General-on save/nothing on open behavior with LO3.4
trying to directly read/write to a Synology NAS:

* Fedora 14 64-bit, wired connection
* Fedora 15 32-bit, wireless connection

It appears that the commands from LO are not properly passed or
interpreted by the OS.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Steve Edmonds
steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:

On 17/06/11 3:51 PM, protonpusher wrote:

Another update. First off, in response to Jean-Francois, I checked, and
there
are no special characters in the share name or server name.

On both machines Ubuntu 10.10/OOo worked just fine. I could open and save
files just fine to the network with no problem.

At this point I am sort of stumped. It does seem like a bug though.

Hi. Run the live CD of Ubuntu 10.10 and install LO. This will then tell you
if it is Ubuntu related or LO related.
steve

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I have filed a bug report about this behavior at https:\
\bugs.freedesktop.org bug number 38419. I reference this thread.

As far as I know this has only occurred with Linux.

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[libreoffice-users] crash with LO 3.4.0 Calc

2011-06-17 Thread Frieder


Hello
I'm running Windows7 Professional  and LibreOffice 3.4.0 .
If I open a normal spreadsheet in Calc without macros  there is no problem.
But if I open the document WurzelmanagerCalcVersion1.2.5.2.ods which I 
send you in the addition, LO  crashes.
(you can also download the document on my web page: 
http://wurzelmanager.blogger.de/stories/1792923/)

The massage says:
LiebreOffice isn't working any longer. We are working to fix the 
problem soon.
This is just a free translation of the German massage. Thee original 
text may differ a bit.


I created this document with LibreOffice 3.2.0 (where it worked) .
It contains  about 1800 lines of macro code written in Basic. (badly 
documented in  German)
The macro   which probably caused the crash is located in the 
libraryFile-name- Standard-DieseArbeitsmappe and is called 
File_open . This macro is connected to the file open event.

The macro starts sum subroutines:
1. Standard-DieseArbeitsmappe sub Workbook  (Global definition 
of sheets as Objects)
2.  Standard-Internetabfrage sub  Versionsnummer_abfragen
  '(web  enquiry )
3.  Standard-Internetabfrage sub  Internetabfrage_Info 
'(web  enquiry )
and eventually later if you agree to a MsgBox. But LiebreOffice crashed 
before the MsgBox appeared on the screen.
4.  Standard-Internetabfrage sub Download_Alle_Accounts 
 '(web  enquiry )


I did not test the document with the macro File_open disabled, so I'm 
not sure this macro really coursed the crash. Now I installed 
LiebreOffice 3.3.3, where  no crashes appear.


I hope I could help you to improve LibreOffice, to make it's latest 
version more stable.


Frieder

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Re: [libreoffice-users] very slow windows swithing with LO 3.3.3

2011-06-17 Thread Roxy Robinson

Now that you mention this annoyance, I have noticed this using LO 3.3.2. I've 
been using it since its full production version became available for 
download. I've downloaded 3.3.3 final, but have not installed it yet. Will be 
interesting to see if this annoyance continues. I did not notice this at all 
with previous versions. Strange!!!
Roxy

Yesterday or so I upgraded my LO3.3.0 version
  (running on Windox XP desktop) to LO 3.3.3 (final version).Now I noticed, 
that if you are working within LO for a while and
  then try to switch to Firefox,the switch takes something like 10-20 
seconds!This DID NOT happen before.If I repeat that operation IMMEDIATELY after 
the first switch,
  response is about normal, but after working in LOfor a few moments, I 
have to wait what feels like half an eternity
  until the brower appears.This does NOT happen, when I switch from other 
software(s) to
  Firefox. Only with LO.Is this supposed to be a sign of improvement?Is 
there any way to fix this problem?(I find this very annoying, in particular in 
situation like now,
  where I am working against the clock ...)Thank you.Thomas
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

Tom

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 02:22 -0600, Tom Cloyd wrote:

 Just found the answer. I may be misleading myself at times due to [a] 
 prior experience of several years duration with MS Access, and [b] my 
 being very new to LO base.
 
 What doesn't work is to add text box control to a form and specify their 
 data, in their properties, as a field in the main table. Do that and you 
 get the problem I outlined below.
 
 What does work is, in design mode, to select the grid control, then 
 click the add field icon in the toolbar at page bottom, THEN select 
 from this list desired fields.
 
 NOW I have data showing up in ALL text boxes on the form. Lovely!
 
 Tom
 

 On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:

  I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty 
  good time with it so far, but have run into something I don't 
  understand, and cannot find documentation about.
 
  I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it 
  is a detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.
 
  I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.
 
  With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to 
  the data in a memo field.
 
  With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, 
  actually) is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents 
  of the fields involved.
 
  So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text 
  boxes.
 
  The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's 
  text boxes, then do the same with the other, the settings in the first 
  disappear. Either, alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the 
  last one I specify sticks and actually shows up in the displayed 
  form. The problem is entirely consistent. After many tried to get 
  things to work, the problem remains.
 
  This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation 
  of LO or HSQLDB.
 
  Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.
 
  Thanks in advance for any help you can give!
 
  Tom Cloyd
 
 

Thanks for the notes, they are very useful for documentation of Base for other 
users.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

Tom,

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 03:12 -0600, Tom Cloyd wrote:

 Well, nuts. You really know how to get to me. I love databases, and I'm 
 coming to love this one (after about 6 days of work with it), and its 
 manifestation in LO seems versatile, rock solid, and damn poorly 
 documented. Oh...that last on does NOT cause love.
 
 However, I love to document stuff (shouldn't say that, I know, but it's 
 true). So...yeah, I 'll join up. I'm seriously going to be working this 
 db hard, and I might as well help others when I can, as I really really 
 have had rather little trouble getting it to work for me.
 
 How did I find the answer? It wasn't any documentation, for sure. I just 
 kept coming at the problem until I got a new idea that actually worked.
 
 I just solved my other problem too (other thread) and will report on it 
 there...
 
 OK...off to sign up. This really is important - a fine db (which is what 
 HSQL truly) secretly hidden in LO. WHooo indeed.
 
 t.
 
 On 06/17/2011 02:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  WH :)
 
  So, you have fixed your own problem!?  How did you find the answer?
  Documentation or experimentation?
 
 
  Do you have time to join the Documentation Team and perhaps help them for 
  maybe
  a few hours a week or something?  Base documentation needs a lot of work and
  there are not many people that understand relational database programs.  
  There
  are various 3rd party documents in copy-left agreements that could be used 
  or
  reffered to to help.  If you don't have time right now then don't worry.  
  There
  are a couple of people already but help is always appreciated :)
 
  Congrats and regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Tom Cloydt...@tomcloyd.com
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 9:22:12
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave
  form
 
  Just found the answer. I may be misleading myself at times due to [a] prior
  experience of several years duration with MS Access, and [b] my being very 
  new
  to LO base.
 
  What doesn't work is to add text box control to a form and specify their 
  data,
  in their properties, as a field in the main table. Do that and you get the
  problem I outlined below.
 
  What does work is, in design mode, to select the grid control, then click 
  the
  add field icon in the toolbar at page bottom, THEN select from this list
  desired fields.
 
  NOW I have data showing up in ALL text boxes on the form. Lovely!
 
  Tom
 
  On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
  I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty good
  time with it so far, but have run into something I don't understand, and 
  cannot
  find documentation about.
 
  I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it is a
  detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.
 
  I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.
 
  With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to the 
  data
  in a memo field.
 
  With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them, 
  actually)
  is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents of the fields
  involved.
 
  So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text boxes.
 
  The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's text 
  boxes,
  then do the same with the other, the settings in the first disappear. 
  Either,
  alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the last one I specify 
  sticks
  and actually shows up in the displayed form. The problem is entirely 
  consistent.
  After many tried to get things to work, the problem remains.
 
  This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation of 
  LO or
  HSQLDB.
 
  Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.
 
  Thanks in advance for any help you can give!
 
  Tom Cloyd
 
 
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What documentation for Base is rebranded OOo documentation. We are in
the process of rebranding and editing this. Right now we have only a
couple people are even trying to work on Base. Any help from a database
expert (or more expert than those working on Base) is greatily
appreciated.

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[libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs

2011-06-17 Thread John B


Dear Roland

My mistake,  I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of 
having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads 
each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the 
only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do 
I know!).


Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe,  this 
should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a 
bloat on.


My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert)  to swing proposals 
around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2]


Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the 
ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope?


Calling all bolt on programmers!

regards

John

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On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote:

Dear John,

uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening!Grin

Actually, the they I refer to is every other word processor on the
face of the planet.

I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control
architecture.  I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing
project.  Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and
clippings from other sources, etc.  You could re-arrange the tabs and
put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which
didn't.  It was a mind blowing architecture.

I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old.
I create a directory for each client.  If I don't do any billable work
for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the
next OS/machine upgrade.



On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote:


Dear Roland

It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman
says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for
Cold Guinness.

I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2
files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside
were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought  of
course, it was like a Eureka moment.

Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6
months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a
client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names
each time you send a new letter such a
fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office.

I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM

thanks

John B

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On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote:

If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs
on this issue.  They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement
WordPro windows for documents.  Right now they have taken  approach of having 
each document as a tab.


On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote:


Tom

Thanks - I have posted the request  below  today - I will let you know
if I get a response.

I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the
most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned
its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not
compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge
in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting
is a bit hit and miss.

   

[wish-list]

/There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use
Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because
of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is
where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs.

Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and
IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk.

At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab
documents within a Word processor so you would be unique.

One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division).

The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the
documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011,
+2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the
group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years
correspondence or headings or whatever etc).

Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000
is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the
whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date
massively improves.

I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that
it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more
inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle
multi documents.

I have group tabs that go like this +1990's   +1991   Contracts
(then a single

Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs

Dear John,

It will not work as a bolt on.  I really really REALLY thought IBM was
finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file
specification.  The OpenDocument file format has to have many things
added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions.  Mainly, it
has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate sub
documents which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from
the parent/enclosing document.  Each subdocument has its own flags to
support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc.

Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu
item IS only a programming change.  It doesn't require any change to the
file specification.

Between the above programming change and the tabbed document
specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete
support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document
file.  WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the
major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market
place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product.  That one
little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for
auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely
portable.

First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface.
Then we have to make documents 100% portable.
Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro.


On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote:

 Dear Roland
 
 My mistake,  I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of 
 having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads 
 each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the 
 only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do 
 I know!).
 
 Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe,  this 
 should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a 
 bloat on.
 
 My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert)  to swing proposals 
 around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2]
 
 Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the 
 ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope?
 
 Calling all bolt on programmers!
 
 regards
 
 John
 
 --
 
 
 
 On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote:
  Dear John,
 
  uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening!Grin
 
  Actually, the they I refer to is every other word processor on the
  face of the planet.
 
  I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control
  architecture.  I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing
  project.  Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and
  clippings from other sources, etc.  You could re-arrange the tabs and
  put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which
  didn't.  It was a mind blowing architecture.
 
  I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old.
  I create a directory for each client.  If I don't do any billable work
  for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the
  next OS/machine upgrade.
 
 
 
  On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote:
 
  Dear Roland
 
  It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman
  says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for
  Cold Guinness.
 
  I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2
  files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside
  were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought  of
  course, it was like a Eureka moment.
 
  Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6
  months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a
  client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names
  each time you send a new letter such a
  fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office.
 
  I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM
 
  thanks
 
  John B
 
  --
 
 
  On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote:
  If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs
  on this issue.  They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement
  WordPro windows for documents.  Right now they have taken  approach of 
  having each document as a tab.
 
 
  On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote:
 
  Tom
 
  Thanks - I have posted the request  below  today - I will let you know
  if I get a response.
 
  I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the
  most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned
  its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not

Re: [libreoffice-users] LO base: text field problem in master-slave form

Well, I write lots of notes for /myself/, as I don't like to trod the 
same jungle path more than once (and there's a lot of jungle out there!).


I'm headed over to the website right now to get involved formally.

Thanks for the encouragement.

t.

On 06/17/2011 12:20 PM, planas wrote:

Tom

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 02:22 -0600, Tom Cloyd wrote:


Just found the answer. I may be misleading myself at times due to [a]
prior experience of several years duration with MS Access, and [b] my
being very new to LO base.

What doesn't work is to add text box control to a form and specify their
data, in their properties, as a field in the main table. Do that and you
get the problem I outlined below.

What does work is, in design mode, to select the grid control, then
click the add field icon in the toolbar at page bottom, THEN select
from this list desired fields.

NOW I have data showing up in ALL text boxes on the form. Lovely!

Tom


  On 06/17/2011 01:06 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:


I'm new to LO base (I'm using the default HSQLDB), and having a pretty
good time with it so far, but have run into something I don't
understand, and cannot find documentation about.

I have a form with a main db displayed in a grid control. Linked to it
is a detail db displayed in a subform. So far, so good.

I want to pull out some fields from each db for display in text boxes.

With the subform, this is a necessity, if I am to have full access to
the data in a memo field.

With the main form, pulling out data into a text field (two of them,
actually) is more a matter of giving visual emphasis to the contents
of the fields involved.

So...two dbs, two forms, and I want data from each db shown in text
boxes.

The problem: When I specify the record data to be shown in one db's
text boxes, then do the same with the other, the settings in the first
disappear. Either, alone, work fine. When both are specified, only the
last one I specify sticks and actually shows up in the displayed
form. The problem is entirely consistent. After many tried to get
things to work, the problem remains.

This seems nuts to me, but it occurs to me that it may be a limitation
of LO or HSQLDB.

Can anyone shed some light on my problem, or perhaps suggest a solution.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Tom Cloyd


Thanks for the notes, they are very useful for documentation of Base for other 
users.





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[libreoffice-users] How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-17 Thread Jan Parttimaa

Hi all!

I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to defaults in 
LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall LibreOffice and yes I 
restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't work. I still have non-default 
settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).

Sincerely

Jan Parttimaa 

  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-17 Thread lee

planas jsloz...@gmail.com writes:

 I believe that the 80/20 is somewhat misleading. As noted earlier must
 use approximately 20% but not the same 20%.

 I would estimate that somewhere around 50% of all the features are used
 reasonably often and the rest are rarely used.

There are substantial features 100% of the users use, aren´t there?
What´s the percentage of such substantial features compared to all
features?

If substantial features make for 20%, you would have 80% percent of all
features of which 50% are rarely used. If I´m not mistaken, that makes
already 60% of all features used reasonably often. When you need to make
a package that provides 60% of all available features, you might find
that there´s another 20% or 30% of all available features that need to
be packaged as well because of dependencies.

When you need to package 80--90% of all features anyway, how
important is it to put effort into packaging only 10--20% of all
features seperately?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-17 Thread Roxy Robinson

Download and install Revo Unistaller: 
http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html
Run Revo and use the 4th option to unistall LO. You will have the option to 
delete any and all registry links to LO and any other little cyber-bits of 
info left. When you re-install LO you should have defaults.
Roxy



Hi all!

I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to defaults in 
LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall LibreOffice and yes I 
restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't work. I still have non-default 
settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).

Sincerely

Jan Parttimaa


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re: [libreoffice-users] How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-17 Thread Gérard FARGEOT



 Message du 17/06/11 21:23
 De : Jan Parttimaa 
 A : users@global.libreoffice.org
 Copie à : 
 Objet : [libreoffice-users] How can I reset all settings?
 
 Hi all!
 
 I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to defaults in 
 LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall LibreOffice and yes I 
 restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't work. I still have non-default 
 settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).
 
 Sincerely
 
 Jan Parttimaa 


Reset your user profile : 
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401

Gérard
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Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-17 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

Hi Jan,

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 22:19 +0300, Jan Parttimaa wrote:

 Hi all!
 
 I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to defaults in 
 LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall LibreOffice and yes I 
 restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't work. I still have non-default 
 settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).
 
 Sincerely
 
 Jan Parttimaa 
 
 

Uninstalling in Windows may have left some user customization files on
the hard disk. During the reinstall they were not written over unless
specifically made to do it.

Are they any specific setting you want to reset to the original
default? 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.



Sorry, but that example was the only one I remember seeing that was too 
weird to forget.


I know many high-end users that need those limited user functions to 
do really weird things that I would not have though possible in Word 
or Excel.  Those users are the type that could write books on the least 
know functions of those packages and tell you why you cannot live 
without using them.


What the average user, either business or home, needs from an office 
suite is what LibreOffice gives then very well.  The more complex you 
make your documents with more complex functions and formulas for 
spreadsheets, the harder it is to use a package.  It may be even harder 
to write those options for the packages than to use them.


It is nice to have one package that will open up the different modules 
like word processing and spread sheets.  Having to install complete 
packages for each carries a lot of duplication of code and much more 
file space on a hard drive.  But I really do not want my word processor 
to do high end spread sheet work or image editing.  I would rather have 
those functions in different packages [separate install files] or 
separate modules of the unified package [like LibreOffice].


Sure, there is a need to write a package to will give the 20% user base 
what they need.  But sometimes MS seems to go overboard adding 100's or 
even 1000's of new functions whether the user needs/wants them or not.


On 06/17/2011 10:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

Lol, i can't believe they are advertising one of the key reasons we give to
people for walking away from MSO.  Obviously every single user believes they are
in the 1% that uses too many of the advanced features and so could not possibly
walk away.

The specific example of not needing spreadsheet functionality inside the
word-processor is not great.  It does explain the point but LibreOffice (and
OpenOffice) are more tightly integrated then MSO so the functionality is easier
to reach without it really being 'inside' the wrong app.  At least that's the
impression i have.


Regards from
Tom :)






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To: users@global.libreoffice.orgusers@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 17 June, 2011 15:33:52
Subject: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20%
of the functionality.


A paragraph that points to pcmag.com's article about 100 Essential Tips for
Microsoft Office 2010 list the following rule:
[quote]
For most of the world, Microsoft Office 2010 follows the 80/20 rule: 80% of the
people use about 20% of the functionality.
[unquote]

That 80% that is not used by the 80% of the users is what MSO advertised a few
years ago that these were the most needed options by users and were most of the
advertised thousands of new functions added for their next upgraded product.
I was told once that of that 80% not used, about 90% of that figured features
are used by only 1% of MSO's users.  Can anyone spell B.L.O.A.T.

I hope LibreOffice never has that type of rule applied to their office suite.
The extensions solve many of the functions that are needed by the small
percentage of users.  We do not need them to be installed by default.  We do not
need to be able to do spreadsheet functions in a Writer document, but I was told
that Word can do that if you knew how to do it properly.  That is bloat for
rarely function used concept and should not be in a wordprocessing document.
Copy/Paste a spreadsheet into a Writer document is OK, but we do not need to
bring all of Calc's function over to Writer so you can user Writer for Calc
work.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] crash with LO 3.4.0 Calc

2011-06-17 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Frieder,

Frieder schrieb:

Hello
I'm running Windows7 Professional and LibreOffice 3.4.0 .
If I open a normal spreadsheet in Calc without macros there is no problem.
But if I open the document WurzelmanagerCalcVersion1.2.5.2.ods which I
send you in the addition, LO crashes.
(you can also download the document on my web page:
http://wurzelmanager.blogger.de/stories/1792923/)
The massage says:
LiebreOffice isn't working any longer. We are working to fix the
problem soon.
This is just a free translation of the German massage. Thee original
text may differ a bit.


I can confirm the crash with WinXP.



I created this document with LibreOffice 3.2.0 (where it worked) .
It contains about 1800 lines of macro code written in Basic. (badly
documented in German)
The macro which probably caused the crash is located in the
libraryFile-name- Standard-DieseArbeitsmappe and is called
File_open . This macro is connected to the file open event.
The macro starts sum subroutines:
1. Standard-DieseArbeitsmappe sub Workbook (Global definition of
sheets as Objects)
2. Standard-Internetabfrage sub Versionsnummer_abfragen '(web
enquiry )


It crashes in Modul Internetabfrage in sub Versionsnummer_abfragen() 
in line
   oLinks.insertAtPosition (oCellAddress, oUrl, oSource, oFilterName, 
oFilterOptions)


I think it is bug
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37673

It will be fixed in version 3.4.1. Please try it again, when that 
version is released.


MfG
Regina

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[libreoffice-users] Re: How can I reset all settings?

2011-06-17 Thread NoOp

On 06/17/2011 12:51 PM, Gérard FARGEOT wrote:
 
 
 Message du 17/06/11 21:23 De : Jan Parttimaa A :
 users@global.libreoffice.org Copie à : Objet : [libreoffice-users]
 How can I reset all settings?
 
 Hi all!
 
 I have a question. How can I reset all settings and toolbars to
 defaults in LibreOffice? I already tried to unistall and reinstall
 LibreOffice and yes I restarted PC after unistalling but it didn't
 work. I still have non-default settings. I use Windows 7 (64-bit).
 
 Sincerely
 
 Jan Parttimaa
 
 
 Reset your user profile :
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401

  Gérard

And change all 'openoffice.org' to 'libreoffice.org' in those instructions.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

Lee,

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 21:42 +0200, lee wrote:

 planas jsloz...@gmail.com writes:
 
  I believe that the 80/20 is somewhat misleading. As noted earlier must
  use approximately 20% but not the same 20%.
 
  I would estimate that somewhere around 50% of all the features are used
  reasonably often and the rest are rarely used.
 
 There are substantial features 100% of the users use, aren´t there?
 What´s the percentage of such substantial features compared to all
 features?
 
 If substantial features make for 20%, you would have 80% percent of all
 features of which 50% are rarely used. If I´m not mistaken, that makes
 already 60% of all features used reasonably often. When you need to make
 a package that provides 60% of all available features, you might find
 that there´s another 20% or 30% of all available features that need to
 be packaged as well because of dependencies.
 
 When you need to package 80--90% of all features anyway, how
 important is it to put effort into packaging only 10--20% of all
 features seperately?
 

The current problem is we do not have any good information of what
features are not very important and do not extend the functionality for
all but a few users. The question is what mix of included and extensible
features should be available beyond those that are important. One of the
problems is you need either a lot different users surveyed at the same
time or smaller number surveyed over a longer period of time. For
example, most of the time I do not use a table of contents in my
documents but when I need the feature I must have it. How many people
need this feature irregularly versus those that often use it? I do not
know. 

Another problem is I do not know how easy or difficult it is write the
code of specific features. I suspect some are very straightforward while
others require a much deeper knowledge of the program.

One of the marketing tricks is tout all the features you have in your
package without regard to how useful many are to all but a handful of
users. Look carefully at some the commercial software ads and notice how
often they tout features that look nice but you probably will never use.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash with LO 3.4.0 Calc

2011-06-17 Thread Frieder


Tanks a lot for your quick responds
I did not try LO 3.4.1 jet but I tried LO 3.3.3 ,as I already said,  
without crashes.
I could not check the bug-report because I already uninstalled LO 3.4.0 
.But the description of Bug 37673 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37673 (
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37673 ) sounds exactly like 
the same Bug.

Tomorrow I will try LO3.4.1

Thanks and Regards
Frieder

Am 17.06.2011 22:42, schrieb Gérard Fargeot:

Hi,


Regina Henschel wrote:


It will be fixed in version 3.4.1. Please try it again, when that
version is released.

MfG
Regina



It is. I opened the file with 3.4.1 RC1 without crash and i've got the
msgbox.

Gérard

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

2011-06-17 Thread Eric S. Johansson


On 6/17/2011 5:12 PM, planas wrote:

The current problem is we do not have any good information of what
features are not very important and do not extend the functionality for
all but a few users. The question is what mix of included and extensible
features should be available beyond those that are important. One of the
problems is you need either a lot different users surveyed at the same
time or smaller number surveyed over a longer period of time. For
example, most of the time I do not use a table of contents in my
documents but when I need the feature I must have it. How many people
need this feature irregularly versus those that often use it? I do not
know.


this reminds be of a conversation I had with Microsoft people back in 2000. I'm 
disabled, I use speech recognition and quite frankly liberated office is not 
terribly speech recognition friendly (including its name). The conversation I 
was having with Microsoft was about speech enabling Microsoft Word. They kept 
coming up with these really huge unmanageable grammars to try and make every GUI 
elements accessible. I said but I only use 10% of word to which they replied 
so does everybody else. The problem is they all use a different 10%


I don't know if it's comfort to know that you're suffering from the same 
problems as Microsoft Word and there really isn't a very good way to solve the 
problem.


What I do in a speech interface is I try very hard to isolate grammars based on 
context and maybe that's the kind of thing you need to do. Yes, you will have 
cases where you have two ways of saying the same thing in two different contexts 
but it can't be helped.


and for what it's worth, to do good speech user interface (i.e. not something 
nuance gives you), it's becoming apparent to me that you need a backdoor 
interface giving read/write access to all GUI/plug-in accessible data. Then the 
speech user interface can present the information and operations in a UI 
appropriate context.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO's 80/20 rule: 80% of the people use about 20% of the functionality.

Very few people know this, but OS/2 Warp was light years ahead of
current Windows products with its speech technology.

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 17:55 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:

 On 6/17/2011 5:12 PM, planas wrote:
  The current problem is we do not have any good information of what
  features are not very important and do not extend the functionality for
  all but a few users. The question is what mix of included and extensible
  features should be available beyond those that are important. One of the
  problems is you need either a lot different users surveyed at the same
  time or smaller number surveyed over a longer period of time. For
  example, most of the time I do not use a table of contents in my
  documents but when I need the feature I must have it. How many people
  need this feature irregularly versus those that often use it? I do not
  know.
 
 this reminds be of a conversation I had with Microsoft people back in 2000. 
 I'm 
 disabled, I use speech recognition and quite frankly liberated office is not 
 terribly speech recognition friendly (including its name). The conversation I 
 was having with Microsoft was about speech enabling Microsoft Word. They kept 
 coming up with these really huge unmanageable grammars to try and make every 
 GUI 
 elements accessible. I said but I only use 10% of word to which they 
 replied 
 so does everybody else. The problem is they all use a different 10%
 
 I don't know if it's comfort to know that you're suffering from the same 
 problems as Microsoft Word and there really isn't a very good way to solve 
 the 
 problem.
 
 What I do in a speech interface is I try very hard to isolate grammars based 
 on 
 context and maybe that's the kind of thing you need to do. Yes, you will have 
 cases where you have two ways of saying the same thing in two different 
 contexts 
 but it can't be helped.
 
 and for what it's worth, to do good speech user interface (i.e. not something 
 nuance gives you), it's becoming apparent to me that you need a backdoor 
 interface giving read/write access to all GUI/plug-in accessible data. Then 
 the 
 speech user interface can present the information and operations in a UI 
 appropriate context.
 


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[libreoffice-users] Export to Html Bug still in 3.4.1rc1

2011-06-17 Thread Michael D. Setzer II

There were a couple messages on this sometime ago, and one 
mentioned that it had been reported, but I just downloaded the 
3.4.1rc1 and it still does the same thing.

A document with a Table of Contents that has them setup up as 
links produces the links, but the have ./ in them that makes them 
not work correctly. With my document, I can easily fix the problem 
with a script, but would be better to see the problem fixed.

I export the file to the html, and then run the following script  to 
correct the problem to get a working html version.

cat g4l0.37-documentation.html | sed -e 's/\.\/#/\#/g' g4l0.37-
documentation2.html
mv g4l0.37-documentation2.html g4l0.37-documentation.html

Had to look for ./# in the document, since there where some ./ that 
were correct in other locations.


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Export to Html Bug still in 3.4.1rc1

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

I've only seen this in Exporting XHTML.  Is that what you are doing?  I've seen 
different problems with Send to Web Document and Save as Web Page, but not this.

I don't think anyone turned this into a bug report.  I've been meaning to but 
have been distracted by other things.  I can do it if you don't mind it taking 
to the end of the weekend before I get to it.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Setzer II [mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 16:17
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Export to Html Bug still in 3.4.1rc1

There were a couple messages on this sometime ago, and one 
mentioned that it had been reported, but I just downloaded the 
3.4.1rc1 and it still does the same thing.

A document with a Table of Contents that has them setup up as 
links produces the links, but the have ./ in them that makes them 
not work correctly. With my document, I can easily fix the problem 
with a script, but would be better to see the problem fixed.

I export the file to the html, and then run the following script  to 
correct the problem to get a working html version.

cat g4l0.37-documentation.html | sed -e 's/\.\/#/\#/g' g4l0.37-
documentation2.html
mv g4l0.37-documentation2.html g4l0.37-documentation.html

Had to look for ./# in the document, since there where some ./ that 
were correct in other locations.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Export to Html Bug still in 3.4.1rc1

2011-06-17 Thread Michael D. Setzer II

On 17 Jun 2011 at 16:40, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

From:   Dennis E. Hamilton 
dennis.hamil...@acm.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject:RE: [libreoffice-users] Export to Html Bug still in 
3.4.1rc1
Date sent:  Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:40:13 -0700
Organization:   NuovoDoc
Send reply to:  users@global.libreoffice.org

 I've only seen this in Exporting XHTML.  Is that what you are doing? 
 I've seen different problems with Send to Web Document and Save as Web
 Page, but not this. 

Yes, it is export the XHTML option.

 I don't think anyone turned this into a bug report.  I've been meaning
 to but have been distracted by other things.  I can do it if you don't
 mind it taking to the end of the weekend before I get to it. 

No problem, I just didn't want to submit something if it was already 
there, but did want to note that I didn't see anything about it in the 
release notes, and testing showed it was still there.

  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael D. Setzer II [mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net] 
 Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 16:17
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Export to Html Bug still in 3.4.1rc1

 There were a couple messages on this sometime ago, and one 
 mentioned that it had been reported, but I just downloaded the 
 3.4.1rc1 and it still does the same thing.

 A document with a Table of Contents that has them setup up as 
 links produces the links, but the have ./ in them that makes them 
 not work correctly. With my document, I can easily fix the problem 
 with a script, but would be better to see the problem fixed.

 I export the file to the html, and then run the following script  to 
 correct the problem to get a working html version.

 cat g4l0.37-documentation.html | sed -e 's/\.\/#/\#/g' g4l0.37-
 documentation2.html
 mv g4l0.37-documentation2.html g4l0.37-documentation.html

 Had to look for ./# in the document, since there where some ./ that 
 were correct in other locations.

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   Michael D. Setzer II -  Computer Science Instructor  
   Guam Community College  Computer Center  
   mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
   mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
   http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
   Guam - Where America's Day Begins
   G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer 
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/
 +--+

 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original)
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 Processing time:  32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes
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  mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
  http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
  Guam - Where America's Day Begins
  G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer 
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/
+--+

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Processing time:  32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes
(Total Hours: 287,489)

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