Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 03/10/2012 11:58, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/02/2012 07:19 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Jay Lozier wrote: snip From the comments on the list, the weakest part of LO is Base. However, my observation is most people find learning any true database daunting and thus do not learn how to use any database. Compounding this is the fact many MSO packages do not include Access. Many thus use a spreadsheet as a poor man's substitute for a proper database. snip Jay, I use Base as a MySQL client to access my databases, which are mostly inventories. I started with MS Access years ago and switched to MySQL c. 2004, when a MySQL Open Source client (Rekall) finally appeared for Linux. But Rekall stopped being supported a few years later and the version I had still had a few bugs that should have been worked on. When Base started being a general database server client (interfaced to MySQL, etc.) rather than that proprietary database thing that StarOffice used (and may still do so), I looked into switching from Rekall to Base. Doing so was not a trivial task, since all the work I had done on data entry forms and reports in Rekall had to be discarded and that work redone for Base. After recreating all my data entry forms and reports, I got Base to work reasonably well within my requirements. However, the latest version (1.2.1) of Oracle Report Builder (ORB) is a basket case. When it doesn't crash LO, it is dog slow at creating my reports. Too slow to be used. I have just this week, downloaded an Open Source report generator program called DataVision http://datavision.sourceforge.net/ and got it to work on my Slackware Linux system with MySQL. This version, 1.2.0, is rough, many features are not working yet and it does not seem to be supported any more either, since this latest version is dated 2008. However, unlike ORB, it does do what I want a report generator to do - without crashing and at a reasonably fast speed. Since it is an Open Source JAVA program using an Apache license, if any of the Base devs are listening, I suggest they look into taking over DataVision as an addition to Base. Base without a report generator is like a computer program that accepts inputs but does not output anything - useless. Akin to Writer or Calc not printing! Was all my database work, including learning a bit of SQL daunting? Yes, I suppose it was, but it was and is a learning experience and I don't mind learning something new. I am not in the least a SQL master, but I do understand it enough to get by. If not, I hit the books again. There are those who can't or won't learn anything new. For them, there is the Calc tool, which fits their hands better, but maybe isn't quite the best tool for the job. Girvin Herr Girvin, Most people I have talked to about databases find them less intuitive than other typical office and general software. Hi, I am a database user and emphasis on the word *user*. I like learning new stuff too and Base is a challenge. I want LObase to work so I will contribute feedback whenever I can but no more than that because I haven't learnt to code or programme...yet. I have a couple of questions but I will start a new thread for them. Howard -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
Am 03.10.2012 09:23, HBarr wrote: Hi, I am a database user and emphasis on the word *user*. I like learning new stuff too and Base is a challenge. I want LObase to work so I will contribute feedback whenever I can but no more than that because I haven't learnt to code or programme...yet. I have a couple of questions but I will start a new thread for them. Howard I am not a database user. I am a database developer. The users of my databases have no problem with Base since all they see is standard form controls. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97 (15-year-old software) could do, and do it just as well and just as easily. If LO could do THAT, it would eat Microsoft's lunch. Absolutely agree. Most of the functionality that MS has added to Office 2007/2010 has been geared towards the corporate collaborative user, which certainly in my experience (and I have to say my last corporate job was over ten years ago so the playing field may well have changed in this respect) wasn't a key factor in usage, and certainly has never been in the SOHO sector. I believe that Office 2013 is even more aimed at cloud and collaborative usage - although it's highly probable that I shan't ever find out! One of the problems that I've come across is that my daughter uses LO and sends as MS Office 97-2003 documents when emailing. It appears that her recipients get gobbledy-gook so I need to find out what's happening there because that shouldn't happen. IMHO LO is every bit as good as MS Office 97, but then that wasn't a particularly good iteration of MS Office! I think the aim should be to match Office 2003, which still seems to be the current standard by which Office suites are measured. (The very large international company my Wife works for are still on 2003..) -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
Hi :) Sorry no-obne has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) From: Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 Subject: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_error.png If I quit the program in this state and open it again, the problem still happens, in any mode or orientation: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_after_error.png My OS is MeeGo 1.2. I tried to use the current LibO release: same problem. Anyone knows how can I fix this? Thank you -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Sorry no-obne has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_error.png If I quit the program in this state and open it again, the problem still happens, in any mode or orientation: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_after_error.png My OS is MeeGo 1.2. I tried to use the current LibO release: same problem. Anyone knows how can I fix this? Thank you -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
Hi :) Even if you are a dev it's still good to have a report to work from (i guess, tbh i don't really know but i likel being able to tick things off when i've completed something). If you have no experience writing for LO and would like to start then it might be best to start with a couple of Easy Hacks and see what kind of response you get. I think there is some sort of Mentoring thing going on that might help you expand your skills sideways into LO-land more easily. Another route mgiht be to write a small Extension and see how that goes. Diving straight in might be tempting but might not end up being faster at all. Regards from Tom :) From: Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 13:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Sorry no-one has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_error.png If I quit the program in this state and open it again, the problem still happens, in any mode or orientation: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_after_error.png My OS is MeeGo 1.2. I tried to use the current LibO release: same problem. Anyone knows how can I fix this? Thank you -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ snip / -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc
I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in Calc gives St George'S Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying feature?? LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc
That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla. bugs.freedesktop.org If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy thing to fix. Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote: I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in Calc gives St George'S Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying feature?? LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc
Already a bug, don't worry about reporting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53146 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla. bugs.freedesktop.org If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy thing to fix. Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote: I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in Calc gives St George'S Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying feature?? LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc
Sorry, I should have checked. It is 53146 On 3 October 2012 16:19, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla. bugs.freedesktop.org If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy thing to fix. Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote: I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in Calc gives St George'S Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying feature?? LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 10/03/2012 05:41 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97 (15-year-old software) could do, and do it just as well and just as easily. If LO could do THAT, it would eat Microsoft's lunch. Absolutely agree. Most of the functionality that MS has added to Office 2007/2010 has been geared towards the corporate collaborative user, which certainly in my experience (and I have to say my last corporate job was over ten years ago so the playing field may well have changed in this respect) wasn't a key factor in usage, and certainly has never been in the SOHO sector. I believe that Office 2013 is even more aimed at cloud and collaborative usage - although it's highly probable that I shan't ever find out! One of the problems that I've come across is that my daughter uses LO and sends as MS Office 97-2003 documents when emailing. It appears that her recipients get gobbledy-gook so I need to find out what's happening there because that shouldn't happen. IMHO LO is every bit as good as MS Office 97, but then that wasn't a particularly good iteration of MS Office! I think the aim should be to match Office 2003, which still seems to be the current standard by which Office suites are measured. (The very large international company my Wife works for are still on 2003..) What I hate is that LO will need a new filter for .docx files since MSO-2013 will have a format not usable to 2007 or 2010 versions. I still have troubles with .docx documents sent to me from one professional in the transportation industry, but she is the only person that will not send out files as .doc instead of .docx - even though I tell her that people/agencies with MSO-2007 will have trouble with her .docx files. She sent out a Press Release that had formatting errors in it, if you viewed it with MSO-2007 or LO. She should have sent that one out as a PDF file. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
Never heard of MeeGo. Any reason you could not use a more main stream Linux OS that might not have the issue? I do not have a Netbook/tablet combo, so I do not know which OS would be best. My only tablet is an Android. I find that a tablet is no good for any real typing work because of the size/type of keyboard it uses. So I stick with my desktop or laptops. I do not know how people would do all their school work with only a tablet, even if it is a 10 Apple version. I also need my 19 or 23 inch monitor to get my work done easily on my desktop. On 10/03/2012 09:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Even if you are a dev it's still good to have a report to work from (i guess, tbh i don't really know but i likel being able to tick things off when i've completed something). If you have no experience writing for LO and would like to start then it might be best to start with a couple of Easy Hacks and see what kind of response you get. I think there is some sort of Mentoring thing going on that might help you expand your skills sideways into LO-land more easily. Another route mgiht be to write a small Extension and see how that goes. Diving straight in might be tempting but might not end up being faster at all. Regards from Tom :) From: Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 13:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Sorry no-one has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_error.png If I quit the program in this state and open it again, the problem still happens, in any mode or orientation: http://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_after_error.png My OS is MeeGo 1.2. I tried to use the current LibO release: same problem. Anyone knows how can I fix this? Thank you -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ snip / -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
The same problem occurs in Ubuntu running on the same hardware. 2012/10/3 webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Never heard of MeeGo. Any reason you could not use a more main stream Linux OS that might not have the issue? I do not have a Netbook/tablet combo, so I do not know which OS would be best. My only tablet is an Android. I find that a tablet is no good for any real typing work because of the size/type of keyboard it uses. So I stick with my desktop or laptops. I do not know how people would do all their school work with only a tablet, even if it is a 10 Apple version. I also need my 19 or 23 inch monitor to get my work done easily on my desktop. On 10/03/2012 09:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Even if you are a dev it's still good to have a report to work from (i guess, tbh i don't really know but i likel being able to tick things off when i've completed something). If you have no experience writing for LO and would like to start then it might be best to start with a couple of Easy Hacks and see what kind of response you get. I think there is some sort of Mentoring thing going on that might help you expand your skills sideways into LO-land more easily. Another route mgiht be to write a small Extension and see how that goes. Diving straight in might be tempting but might not end up being faster at all. Regards from Tom :) __**__ From: Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 13:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Sorry no-one has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**BugReporthttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_**normal.pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_error.**pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_error.png If I quit the program in this state and open it again, the problem still happens, in any mode or orientation: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_after_**error.pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_after_error.png My OS is MeeGo 1.2. I tried to use the current LibO release: same problem. Anyone knows how can I fix this? Thank you -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ snip / -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
Maybe someone on this list know of a great netbook/tablet system OS that does not have this issue. As I said, I never had one of those convertible or seen one that was not Android. On 10/03/2012 12:42 PM, Eduardo Santos Anton Sama wrote: The same problem occurs in Ubuntu running on the same hardware. 2012/10/3 webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Never heard of MeeGo. Any reason you could not use a more main stream Linux OS that might not have the issue? I do not have a Netbook/tablet combo, so I do not know which OS would be best. My only tablet is an Android. I find that a tablet is no good for any real typing work because of the size/type of keyboard it uses. So I stick with my desktop or laptops. I do not know how people would do all their school work with only a tablet, even if it is a 10 Apple version. I also need my 19 or 23 inch monitor to get my work done easily on my desktop. On 10/03/2012 09:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Even if you are a dev it's still good to have a report to work from (i guess, tbh i don't really know but i likel being able to tick things off when i've completed something). If you have no experience writing for LO and would like to start then it might be best to start with a couple of Easy Hacks and see what kind of response you get. I think there is some sort of Mentoring thing going on that might help you expand your skills sideways into LO-land more easily. Another route mgiht be to write a small Extension and see how that goes. Diving straight in might be tempting but might not end up being faster at all. Regards from Tom :) __**__ From: Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 13:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Sorry no-one has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**BugReporthttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_**normal.pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_error.**pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_error.png If I quit the program in this state and open it again, the problem still happens, in any mode or orientation: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_after_**error.pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_after_error.png My OS is MeeGo 1.2. I tried to use the current LibO release: same problem. Anyone knows how can I fix this? Thank you -- Atc. Eduardo S. A. Sama'an Systems Analyst International Syst S/A Open-source Applications Team Phone: +55 (31)3503-9019 Linux User #385698 http://counter.li.org/ snip / -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be
Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode
Hi :) MeeGo was a very standard GnuLinux distro. It's discontinued at the moment and i'm not sure if it's going to be re-continued. Possibly, perhaps but it looks like The Linux Foundation are taking it in a slightly different direction and calling it Tizen https://www.tizen.org/ See https://meego.com/ main-page news and possibly delve into ancient history by visiting the precursor to MeeGo's page https://moblin.org/ From DistroWatch MeeGo is [was] an open-source Linux project which brings together the Moblin project, headed up by Intel, and Maemo, by Nokia, into a single open-source activity. It includes performance optimisations and features which enable the development of computational and graphically oriented applications and connected services, support for Internet standards, easy-to-use development environment based on Qt, and state-of-the-art Linux stack optimised for the size and capabilities of small footprint platforms and mobile devices. MeeGo currently targets platforms such as netbooks and entry-level desktops, handheld computing and communications devices, in-vehicle infotainment devices, connected TVs, and media phones. http://distrowatch.com/meego Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 17:53 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Maybe someone on this list know of a great netbook/tablet system OS that does not have this issue. As I said, I never had one of those convertible or seen one that was not Android. On 10/03/2012 12:42 PM, Eduardo Santos Anton Sama wrote: The same problem occurs in Ubuntu running on the same hardware. 2012/10/3 webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com Never heard of MeeGo. Any reason you could not use a more main stream Linux OS that might not have the issue? I do not have a Netbook/tablet combo, so I do not know which OS would be best. My only tablet is an Android. I find that a tablet is no good for any real typing work because of the size/type of keyboard it uses. So I stick with my desktop or laptops. I do not know how people would do all their school work with only a tablet, even if it is a 10 Apple version. I also need my 19 or 23 inch monitor to get my work done easily on my desktop. On 10/03/2012 09:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Even if you are a dev it's still good to have a report to work from (i guess, tbh i don't really know but i likel being able to tick things off when i've completed something). If you have no experience writing for LO and would like to start then it might be best to start with a couple of Easy Hacks and see what kind of response you get. I think there is some sort of Mentoring thing going on that might help you expand your skills sideways into LO-land more easily. Another route mgiht be to write a small Extension and see how that goes. Diving straight in might be tempting but might not end up being faster at all. Regards from Tom :) __**__ From: Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 13:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi Tom, ok, I am going to report a bug. In fact I can try fix this by myself, I am developer. But I have no idea how to start and I don't know if it's appropriate to post a question like this in developer list :-) Report a bug is a good start point, thank for your answer. Eduardo 2012/10/3 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Sorry no-one has replied to you so far! It sounds like a bug. So, it would be great is you could post a bug-report about it. Hopefully this link will help https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**BugReporthttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport They probably wont be able to fix it quickly and it may well take several months before you see a result but it's better to post now or as soon as possible otherwise it may take even longer before it even gets noticed again let alone fixed Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Eduardo Santos Anton Sama eduar...@syst.com.br *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:55 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] GUI error in tablet mode Hi all, I am running LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 in a convertible netbook which has a 10 screen with resolution 1024x600. Everything works fine in netbook mode: http://samaan.kontesti.me/**libreoffice/libreoffice_**normal.pnghttp://samaan.kontesti.me/libreoffice/libreoffice_normal.png When I convert to tablet mode and rotate to portrait orientation, the close button is shown upon help menu:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 10/03/2012 11:28 AM, Chad Homan wrote: I should be following this tread more closely. But does anyone have links to any M$ sites that spell out the details of the rentals? Also, what happens to people using older versions of office (like officeXP, etc). Will they roll forward into this pricing model? When does this take affect? Join The RVLution http://www.monavie.com/rvlution- Together We Win! -- Chad - I AM MONAVIE Creating A More Meaningful Life Chad Older versions, as I understand, are not affected only the next version and forward are included. If you want the latest features in MSO you will be paying rent but if the older versions still meet your needs then the only reason to consider an upgrade or new office suite is that it is no longer supported. One commenter noted that most SOHO users do not need the collaboration features in MSO (or any office suite). Also, I am not sure that many of the collaboration features are used extensively in large organizations. Its not that the features are bad but how important are they to many, if not most users. The issue for many commercial software vendors is how to get people to buy a new version (or pay for services) when the old version is more than adequate. MS' business model dates from the 1980's but when one can find a FOSS equivalent or an older version that will meet most user needs they have a problem with how to keep customers buying a new release. Many, like MS, are turning to a rental (SaaS) model to keep income levels. This will probably work in the near term but long term I am dubious, there are many commercial and technical issues with the model; at least two dissertations. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Formats, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
Hi :) Yeh, people are weird sometimes. I'm sure some people would have peaceful pro-war protests or fight for peace given half a chance. One client group claimed they didn't know how to use Save As ... so i sent them screen-shots and then the month after i even visited them to show them by hand. Since then they stopped using our services so their events don't get so widely publicised. I'm not sure it's had a huge effect on them (or us) tbh. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P hidden snip / I still have troubles with .docx documents sent to me from one professional in the transportation industry, but she is the only person that will not send out files as .doc instead of .docx - even though I tell her that people/agencies with MSO-2007 will have trouble with her .docx files. She sent out a Press Release that had formatting errors in it, if you viewed it with MSO-2007 or LO. She should have sent that one out as a PDF file. snip / -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Renting MS Office (next release), was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
Hi :) I suspect a good place to start might be somewhere like http://www.microsoft.com but it might still only be written for a certain web-browser and might render badly on yours (or even block you). I think they sorted it out now but for ages it just wouldn't work. Regards from Tom :) - Forwarded Message - From: Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com To: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 16:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead I should be following this tread more closely. But does anyone have links to any M$ sites that spell out the details of the rentals? Also, what happens to people using older versions of office (like officeXP, etc). Will they roll forward into this pricing model? When does this take affect? Join The RVLution http://www.monavie.com/rvlution- Together We Win! -- Chad - I AM MONAVIE Creating A More Meaningful Life On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.comwrote: On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97 (15-year-old software) could do, and do it just as well and just as easily. If LO could do THAT, it would eat Microsoft's lunch. Absolutely agree. Most of the functionality that MS has added to Office 2007/2010 has been geared towards the corporate collaborative user, which certainly in my experience (and I have to say my last corporate job was over ten years ago so the playing field may well have changed in this respect) wasn't a key factor in usage, and certainly has never been in the SOHO sector. I believe that Office 2013 is even more aimed at cloud and collaborative usage - although it's highly probable that I shan't ever find out! One of the problems that I've come across is that my daughter uses LO and sends as MS Office 97-2003 documents when emailing. It appears that her recipients get gobbledy-gook so I need to find out what's happening there because that shouldn't happen. IMHO LO is every bit as good as MS Office 97, but then that wasn't a particularly good iteration of MS Office! I think the aim should be to match Office 2003, which still seems to be the current standard by which Office suites are measured. (The very large international company my Wife works for are still on 2003..) -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.**blogspot.com/http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp:// www.linuxjournal.**com/article/9594#mpart8http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 10/03/2012 01:20 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ One commenter noted that most SOHO users do not need the collaboration features in MSO (or any office suite). Also, I am not sure that many of the collaboration features are used extensively in large organizations.sides. I guess I don't understand something here. Almost 20 years ago, I wrote user manuals for equipment I designed, and had the software engineer modify them as required for the user programming requirements. (This was for burglar-alarm systems.) there was no problem using the MS software that existed then--it would mark modifications with red underlines or something similar. I'd just send the copy over the network to my software person, and she would do whatever was necessary, and send the copy back for me to check it and release it. No special collaboration software, but we certainly collaborated. What's the big deal? --doug (Retired RF Engineer) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 03/10/2012 at 20:23, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: I guess I don't understand something here. Almost 20 years ago, I wrote user manuals for equipment I designed, and had the software engineer modify them as required for the user programming requirements. (This was for burglar-alarm systems.) there was no problem using the MS software that existed then--it would mark modifications with red underlines or something similar. I'd just send the copy over the network to my software person, and she would do whatever was necessary, and send the copy back for me to check it and release it. No special collaboration software, but we certainly collaborated. What's the big deal? Have you ever tried to do the same with larger group of recipients, say 6 people? I tried. Some time ago we were writing rather large research report. Each member of team (5 or 6 people) wrote his part, then we pasted it all together and did proofreading. Each member received a copy, marked his changes and sent it back to me. Merging these changes together on ≈170 pages document was the most painful experience I have ever had with any office suite. In such scenarios - and they are not uncommon in larger businesses - anything that eases collaboration of 2 people is a bless. I think that Microsoft Office has real advantage here. Team members are just using Word, without need of gaining any new skills/knowledge. But if it was up to me, I would teach team members to use private wiki or LaTeX + git. I trust these tools more than I trust Microsoft or Google. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems
In many (most) companies/organizations (other than IT) the managers have quite little own knowledge in IT why they do not have many alternatives: they have to buy the IT from outside (more or less) experts or build up a IT-dept of their own. Dedicated IT departments are well known and well documented to be *the* most important organisational pathology (antipattern) that ruins productivity of information workers in companies. And if all (95% ?) your important contacts, customers, officials, private, etc. use Windows, and all of your own staff know (only) Windows/MSO then the economic calculation says that you must talk the same language -- you can not afford anything else. If you had ever tried to do the work of an average information worker, you would know that compatibility in the real world (where the actual work has to be done) means efficient re-use of content. And that, in this sense, Microsoft is incompatible with itself, because the unstructered spaghetti content model of MS applications does not allow for efficient re-use of content. In fact it is more efficient to re-use content from, e.g. an MS Word document with e.g. LyX rather than with MS Word itself. I strongly disagree with you about Jay's and Wolfgang' s behavior - take a look at my parallel post MS problems some minutes earlier. If these managers concentrate on their own jobs - and buy the IT - it does not qualify them to be called IT-illiteral morons as Jay and Wolfgang did. It does not only qualify them as IT illiterate morons, but also as generally illiterate concerning analytical, pertinent problem solving. If one would categorise the competence of people in a similar manner as Wolfgang Pauli categorised scientific theories, typical managers would have to be attributed to the category of not even incompetent people. Because they are obviously incompetent, but pretend otherwise *and* arrogate the power to decide. In 30 years I have had no problems (!) with the Windows' programs (the cost are a relative matter), Because you never tried to do actual information work with it. And/or because you never tried to do actual information work with *efficient* worktools. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems
A.so in your opinion people - both young and old - not yet knowing anything about computers, perhaps buying their first unit, are - not only IT-illiterate but also morons The point is not whether someone is IT-illiterate or not, but whether (s)he is aware of the limits of his/her IT competence or not. And whether (s)he arrogates to impose his/her decisions onto those people who have to do the actual work despite his/her demonstrated incompetence. B.so you agree that among these IT-illiterate morons (= idiots) are bosses, persons in chief position (managers). It is (unfortunately) indeed an empirical fact that people who are career-competent enough to usurp a management position in a hierarchically structured organisation are *exclusively* career competent. When responsible for their dept's/company's strategic The usage of the word strategy or strategic etc. empirically indicates pretty well the main focus of the author of the corresponding statement - cheaptalk. and operative effectiveness and economical result, these IT-illiterate morons decide about the need of an IT-department -- and employ an IT-manager to that department to take care of the company's IT-system, programs and personnel included. See my other reply concerning the (all too well known and too well documented) antipattern of dedicated IT departments. C. Obviously you qualify yourselves as highly IT-literate -- perhaps even non-morons. I never made any statement like that. But given the level of (not only IT-related) competence that you exhibit through your statements, it doesn't seem to take much to be more competent. Some weeks ago LibO invited people to take part to make LibO better. Would it not be an good idea that you - instead of blaming others - took the opportunity to practice your high quality IT-knowledge to the benefit of LibO. My original message with the ID 20120925175229.00e623b1a418830757ecd...@gmx.net contains a few recommendations for potential conceptual improvements to LO from the perspective of an experienced information worker who has also used something else than MS Office and LO. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Import XML files?
I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically). I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow. I thougth Calc would be a good bet, but it just gives me General I/O error. Base does the same. The website (help.libreoffice.org/Common/About_Import_and_Export_Filters) suggests it ought to be doable but gives no details whatsoever. Anyone got any pointers I could use? Regars Mark Stanton -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Import XML files?
Have you tried with a recent release of LibO? 3.4.6 is pretty old On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote: I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically). I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow. I thougth Calc would be a good bet, but it just gives me General I/O error. Base does the same. The website (help.libreoffice.org/Common/About_Import_and_Export_Filters) suggests it ought to be doable but gives no details whatsoever. Anyone got any pointers I could use? Regars Mark Stanton -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 2012-10-03 22:41, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 02/10/12 19:38, Tim Deaton wrote: I don't think we need to remove existing features. But I DO think we need to focus on the 90% of average users. Basically, I think LO should be making sure it can do everything that MS Office 97 (15-year-old software) could do, and do it just as well and just as easily. If LO could do THAT, it would eat Microsoft's lunch. Absolutely agree. Most of the functionality that MS has added to Office 2007/2010 has been geared towards the corporate collaborative user, which certainly in my experience (and I have to say my last corporate job was over ten years ago so the playing field may well have changed in this respect) wasn't a key factor in usage, and certainly has never been in the SOHO sector. I believe that Office 2013 is even more aimed at cloud and collaborative usage - although it's highly probable that I shan't ever find out! One of the problems that I've come across is that my daughter uses LO and sends as MS Office 97-2003 documents when emailing. It appears that her recipients get gobbledy-gook so I need to find out what's happening there because that shouldn't happen. IMHO LO is every bit as good as MS Office 97, but then that wasn't a particularly good iteration of MS Office! I think the aim should be to match Office 2003, which still seems to be the current standard by which Office suites are measured. (The very large international company my Wife works for are still on 2003..) Yes, I need to look deeper at LO and sends as or Save as MS Office 97-2003 documents as my kids are complaining their LO docs from home (sends as or Save as MS Office 97-2003) are not opening properly in MO2010 at school. May be MO are doing this to force users to docx and break compatibility with LO. steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Import XML files?
On 2012-10-04 07:54, Mark Stanton wrote: I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically). I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow. I thougth Calc would be a good bet, but it just gives me General I/O error. Base does the same. The website (help.libreoffice.org/Common/About_Import_and_Export_Filters) suggests it ought to be doable but gives no details whatsoever. Anyone got any pointers I could use? Regars Mark Stanton Hi. I do this with an XSLT filter. http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3490f=45 Here is a pre-processing method I have not tried as the above works well for me. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/ steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] errors in file translation
Please read the attached file in both Excel and Libre Office. The (what I assume are) hard coded integers in the cells are coming out with grossly inflated values, almost 10 time as big as they are in Excel. I am using a Ubuntu supplied version 3.5.4.2 BuildID:350m1(Build:2). Thanks, Roland Graham -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibO Writer: Problem with setting double lined borders on page
Hi Two GNU/Linux Debian machines each running LibO. One (box A) has LibO 3.6.2.2 and the second (box B) has LibO 3.5.4.2. In box B, there was a set of pre-formatted documents saved in *.odt that had a double lined border around the page. On opening one of these files today, this double line had been changed to a single thick black line. This is now the case for all of these documents I had previously formatted this way. Box B recently updated from LibO 3.4.* In box A, I have attempted to set page borders as a test using the double line style but only thick black lines are possible. In addition, attempting to set the style under Format / Page / Borders tab, when clicking apply the dialog box defaults to another tab, not the borders tab. I don't know whether this is related or not, but it might indicate that an attempt to apply the settings is also causing problems with the tab displays too. I couldn't find any info on this using Google, and this seems to have crept in following the upgrade to 3.5.* and now also in 3.6.* Is this a bug and if so, has it been reported? I don't know how to file a bug report for this as I don't know how to describe the issue(s) succinctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks AG -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/02/2012 07:19 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: snip Girvin, Most people I have talked to about databases find them less intuitive than other typical office and general software. Jay, Yes, I can agree to that. Working with databases is not plug-n-play. It doesn't help when there are strangenesses in SQL that I don't understand the reason why they are there. For example, a while back I ran into a Join problem with at least MySQL joins that if any joined field of a record is null, the join will fail and that record, even though the other fields are valid, will not be in the result set. No warnings or errors are given - it is just missing. That causes missing data, which IMHO is a bad thing. As I said, I am not an SQL expert and maybe there is a way around that action, but I could not find a way by trial and error. I had to go back into all of my records and make sure I had a default value in all the fields that were part of any join. It is my understanding that an expanded version of the Base manual is coming out soon. That will be a help too. With the exception of the Report Builder, Base works quite well as far as I use it, but the documentation is sparse and there is a lot of trial and error involved to get what I want. I am looking forward to the new version. Of course, it is not within the scope of a Base manual to teach SQL, but since Base relies heavily on SQL and some Base functions require some SQL writing, some simple examples of how to use those Base features would be appreciated by all users. There are some examples in the manuals already, but it could use some expansion. Otherwise, the Base user base will continue to be minimal. Users need help to understand the concepts and make Base usable for them and their projects. Otherwise, they will continue to use Calc. I am sure the frustration level can be high for newbies and many would give up on Base, even though it would be the correct tool for them to use. I might have done so too, if it were not that I have a lot invested in my databases and I am now locked in to maintaining them. Another good idea might be to add to the manual a Further Reference list of recommended books to read for more information. I would start a MySQL list with the MySQL Reference Manual, which comes with most MySQL packages and is on the MySQL website and is available in paper from O'Reilly Community Press. That should be mandatory reading for all new MySQL users. Also, I have found the Teach Yourself SQL in 24 Hours book by Ryan Stephens and Ron Plew of value. (I have no affiliation with either of these authors or publishers.) Girvin -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 10/03/2012 02:23 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/03/2012 01:20 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ One commenter noted that most SOHO users do not need the collaboration features in MSO (or any office suite). Also, I am not sure that many of the collaboration features are used extensively in large organizations.sides. I guess I don't understand something here. Almost 20 years ago, I wrote user manuals for equipment I designed, and had the software engineer modify them as required for the user programming requirements. (This was for burglar-alarm systems.) there was no problem using the MS software that existed then--it would mark modifications with red underlines or something similar. I'd just send the copy over the network to my software person, and she would do whatever was necessary, and send the copy back for me to check it and release it. No special collaboration software, but we certainly collaborated. What's the big deal? --doug (Retired RF Engineer) Doug, MSO has some tools designed for real-time collaborative document production that allow distributed groups to work on the same document and track each person's edits, etc. I have not used these features; primarily because I never needed to use them. Thus I do not know how well they work. The implicit assumption is that all users can have simultaneous access to the same document version. Some the editing features such as track all changes are sometimes useful for a large document. What you are describing is not what MS is trying to push. Often what is needed for collaboration is what you are describing: create, edit, revise, (edit, revise), release. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] SQL and Databases Was MS raised prices so people will now start renting their office products instead
On 10/03/2012 04:04 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/02/2012 07:19 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: snip Girvin, Most people I have talked to about databases find them less intuitive than other typical office and general software. Jay, Yes, I can agree to that. Working with databases is not plug-n-play. It doesn't help when there are strangenesses in SQL that I don't understand the reason why they are there. For example, a while back I ran into a Join problem with at least MySQL joins that if any joined field of a record is null, the join will fail and that record, even though the other fields are valid, will not be in the result set. No warnings or errors are given - it is just missing. That causes missing data, which IMHO is a bad thing. As I said, I am not an SQL expert and maybe there is a way around that action, but I could not find a way by trial and error. I had to go back into all of my records and make sure I had a default value in all the fields that were part of any join. It is my understanding that an expanded version of the Base manual is coming out soon. That will be a help too. With the exception of the Report Builder, Base works quite well as far as I use it, but the documentation is sparse and there is a lot of trial and error involved to get what I want. I am looking forward to the new version. Of course, it is not within the scope of a Base manual to teach SQL, but since Base relies heavily on SQL and some Base functions require some SQL writing, some simple examples of how to use those Base features would be appreciated by all users. There are some examples in the manuals already, but it could use some expansion. Otherwise, the Base user base will continue to be minimal. Users need help to understand the concepts and make Base usable for them and their projects. Otherwise, they will continue to use Calc. I am sure the frustration level can be high for newbies and many would give up on Base, even though it would be the correct tool for them to use. I might have done so too, if it were not that I have a lot invested in my databases and I am now locked in to maintaining them. I think Base is following MS Access in trying to use wizards to hide the SQL code from most users. This may be a mistake because most users still do not understand what is happening behind the wizard. Another good idea might be to add to the manual a Further Reference list of recommended books to read for more information. I would start a MySQL list with the MySQL Reference Manual, which comes with most MySQL packages and is on the MySQL website and is available in paper from O'Reilly Community Press. That should be mandatory reading for all new MySQL users. Also, I have found the Teach Yourself SQL in 24 Hours book by Ryan Stephens and Ron Plew of value. (I have no affiliation with either of these authors or publishers.) Girvin SQL is a beast to work with. There are two problems: one is its sometimes flaky processing and two is the fact it is lacks features such as file import as part of the standard. The first problem is usually fixed by reordering the joins or using sub-queries. Loading data into a file can be messy because different dialects do not do it exactly the same way. Another relational database problem is the proper design of the database, its component tables, and the proper linking between tables. This is often not a trivial or obvious issue and bad initial design will haunt the maintainers. There several very good books about SQL. I like Ben Forta's MariaDB Crash Course for MySQL/MariaDb and general SQL. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibO Writer: Problem with setting double lined borders on page
On 03/10/12 21:43, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/03/2012 03:57 PM, AG wrote: Hi Two GNU/Linux Debian machines each running LibO. One (box A) has LibO 3.6.2.2 and the second (box B) has LibO 3.5.4.2. In box B, there was a set of pre-formatted documents saved in *.odt that had a double lined border around the page. On opening one of these files today, this double line had been changed to a single thick black line. This is now the case for all of these documents I had previously formatted this way. Box B recently updated from LibO 3.4.* In box A, I have attempted to set page borders as a test using the double line style but only thick black lines are possible. In addition, attempting to set the style under Format / Page / Borders tab, when clicking apply the dialog box defaults to another tab, not the borders tab. I don't know whether this is related or not, but it might indicate that an attempt to apply the settings is also causing problems with the tab displays too. I couldn't find any info on this using Google, and this seems to have crept in following the upgrade to 3.5.* and now also in 3.6.* Is this a bug and if so, has it been reported? I don't know how to file a bug report for this as I don't know how to describe the issue(s) succinctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks AG Have you tried to adjust the width of the border? (perhaps 3 pt) When I did this using 3.5 or 3.6, the double line appears although that may not be exactly what you are looking for. I have also tried changing the color of the border as well. Lighter colors seem to be more pleasing than black. --Dan Hi Dan Thanks for your comments. Have just tried your suggestion, taking the double line up to 4.5 seems to work - but that seems to be a pretty big width!! The default seems to be set at 0.05 which gives a seemingly single line. Colours aren't feasible, but I take your point about the aesthetics. Any thoughts about what is going on when the apply button is clicked? Thanks again. AG -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Update SQL does nothing using Run SQL directly button
Register1a is a table with field Trans-Date of type TIMESTAMP. Field Trans-Date-Year is either TIMESTAMP or INTERGER. I have tried with both. Update Register1a Set Register1a.Trans-Date-Year = YEAR(Register1a.Trans-Date); Looks like is should be a very simple SQL statement. It does absolutely nothing. The statement won't run with the F5 key (the run button). It gives The given command is not a SELECT statement. I'm trying to apply SQL learned elsewhere, mostly in MicroBloat Access, and I'm getting nowhere. Help will be appreciated. David - -- David S. Crampton -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Update-SQL-does-nothing-using-Run-SQL-directly-button-tp4010902.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Writer] Data to Fields is not working
On 10/03/2012 04:55 PM, Miros?aw Zalewski wrote: Hi I can not make Date to Fields button working. Steps that I try: 1. Open new Writer document 2. Press F4 (or View ? Data Sources) 3. Select bibliography table biblio 4. Press left-most cell of any row to select entire row (without this step Data to Fields button is not clickable). 5. Press Data to Fields button (fourth from right), see screenshot: http://minio.komunikatory.pl/obrazy/rozne/data-to-fields.jpg Nothing happens, or at least nothing that I can see. Can someone explain this? What this button should actually do and how do I use it? What am I doing wrong? I am using LibreOffice 3.6.1 on Debian testing (amd64), version downloaded from experimental repository (not LO website). Thanks in advance. You need to use both Data to Text and Data to Fields buttons for the later to work. 1. Open new Writer document 2. Press F4 (or View ? Data Sources) 3. Select bibliography table biblio 4. Press left-most cell of any row to select entire row (without this step Data to Text nor Data to Fields button is not clickable). 5. Click the Data to Text button to select what will be copied from the selected row in the Data Sources window to the text documents. 6. A dialog opens giving three choices: paste the data in table format, as fields, or as text. The first and third choices are result in text being pasted. 7. The Data to Fields button works only if you have selected Fields in the dialog. To change the data showing in the fields in the text document, select another row. Then click this button. In other words, you have to use Data to Text button to create the fields before you can put any other data in these fields using the Data to Text button. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] documentation for LO base
Is there any documentation for LibreOffice Base? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] documentation for LO base
On 10/03/2012 08:41 PM, Ken Brucker wrote: Is there any documentation for LibreOffice Base? There is the beginning of the Base Guide available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications. Three chapters are presently available: Chapter 8 of the Getting Started Guide as well as chapters 1 and 2 of the Base Guide. The last of these is still in draft form. There is the LibreOffice FAQ which are at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Update SQL does nothing using Run SQL directly button
Base will only run SELECT statements that way. If you want to use other than SELECT the only way IIRC is to use Tools-SQL which opens Execute SQL statement but can only handle typed stuff, not stored queries. It is useful for one-off tasks such as merging two tables into one or doing a field update as you describe. On 4 October 2012 00:27, David S. Crampton david_cramp...@ie2b.com wrote: Register1a is a table with field Trans-Date of type TIMESTAMP. Field Trans-Date-Year is either TIMESTAMP or INTERGER. I have tried with both. Update Register1a Set Register1a.Trans-Date-Year = YEAR(Register1a.Trans-Date); Looks like is should be a very simple SQL statement. It does absolutely nothing. The statement won't run with the F5 key (the run button). It gives The given command is not a SELECT statement. I'm trying to apply SQL learned elsewhere, mostly in MicroBloat Access, and I'm getting nowhere. Help will be appreciated. David - -- David S. Crampton -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Update-SQL-does-nothing-using-Run-SQL-directly-button-tp4010902.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
