[libreoffice-users] Personalization of Themes
I have installed LO 4.1.1.1.1. I tried to put a FF addon and it did not crash. Problem solved. Thanks. Daniel -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
No idea. It's true that epub is quite limited when it comes to style, but it is mostly used for electronic ink readers, which, by now, are black and white small devices designed to read books, in the classic meaning of the word: that is, text with some minimal format. Maybe you're right when you say that is not good enough, but it serves to a very specific purpose. What I fear is that it may not be appropriate for complex structured documents, like manuals, text-books, etc. that usually are built with a lot of frames. Then again, I'm going to try to export one of the LibO manuals and see what happens. Regards, Joaquín Joaquín Lameiro: Please name me any 3rd-party reader which supports HTML5 and CSS3 sufficiently enough to provide all the features one can expect from a book. That so-called standard is too expensive for independent implementation and cannot guarantee acceptable results. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing (was: connecting to oooforum.org)
Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent unofficial one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
Nice reply Brian and spot on. And correct it is a quirk of IE to see a file with a compressed content, and assume it's a zip. And again I continue my head scratching until I'm bald, as to why people still want to use IE with it's archaic code, and ongoing quirks and security flaws. This when there are superior and up to date Internet browsers out there. Andrew Brown On 15/08/2013 06:08 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:02 14/08/2013 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: The strange thing was I didn't extract the oxt from the zip. I simply renamed the zip to an oxt. There was no oxt file inside the zip. You didn't need to. An .oxt file, like other ODF formats, is itself a zip archive. What has happened is that the process of downloading the file has incorrectly modified its .odt extension to .zip - which is not unusual, in fact. (Don't ask me why or in what circumstances this occurs, but it does: it appears to be a quirk of Internet Explorer.) In such cases, you need merely to rename the file back to have its correct original extension - as you did. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO WRITER BASIC: insert an image, put a drawing-text on top and jump to next page
Hello all, I'm writing a macro to create a document entirely based on database-contents. I have an image (page-sized) that should come on the first page, and then I should put the title on top of it and the jump to the next page. The part that follows (TOC + further contents of the document) is about finished and working but I have trouble with my title-page. I tried to record the inserting of the image, then add text on top of it using the drawing toolbar, then set the properties of that text to centered (horizontal and vertical), size it to the text and then jump to the next page. This resulted in this: sub afbeelding_en_titel rem -- rem define variables dim document as object dim dispatcher as object rem -- rem get access to the document document = ThisComponent.CurrentController.Frame dispatcher = createUnoService(com.sun.star.frame.DispatchHelper) rem -- dim args2(3) as new com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue args2(0).Name = FileName args2(0).Value = file:///home/alain/Data/Indiegroup/Cover%20Offerte%20Site%20Builder.jpg args2(1).Name = FilterName args2(1).Value = Alle indelingen args2(2).Name = AsLink args2(2).Value = false args2(3).Name = Style args2(3).Value = Afbeeldingen dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertGraphic, , 0, args2()) rem -- rem dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertDraw, , 0, Array()) rem -- rem dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:TransformDialog, , 0, Array()) rem -- dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:TextAttributes, , 0, Array()) rem -- dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertLinebreak, , 0, Array()) As you can see the recording didn't work after the inserting of the image and I find no documentation that accurately helps me figure it out the InsertDraw, TransformDialog and TextAttributes myself. Could anybody help me on this one? Any suggestion is welcome... Thanks in advance, Alain -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
Nino Novak wrote: Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent unofficial one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the Registration Agreement Terms, would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
Hi :) +1 I've not been a long term user (or contributor) of the site but i agree with Dave Barton about this. Maybe if a one or 2 of us could approach the owner? Let him know there might be a way for him to retain control but also make it easier for him to manage? It sounds like a simple day-to-day chore took down the website and that could be taken care of by someone or some organisation he could delegate that sort of thing too? Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing Nino Novak wrote: Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent unofficial one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the Registration Agreement Terms, would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
trie the Elaix extension On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried converting the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB output file was generated. I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides. That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to (x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
Joaquin wrote: Then again, I'm going to try to export one of the LibO manuals and see what happens. Good luck. I just tried it and, as you allude, the manuals have much too complex formatting for my Kindle. The Writer2epub extension wouldn't even produce an epub file from the two manuals I tried. I don't blame the extension as I was simply trying to make it do something it was never intended to do. For an e-reader, keep the text simple, with a stream of words and letters and minimal formatting. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Brian Barker wrote: Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word break in the text. If you need to space material differently, you do it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever. I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper proceedure in LO? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences with proportionally spaced fonts. However, if you use a fixed-width font, like Courier, then using two spaces is appropriate. But, you should only use a fixed-width font if you are required to by some outside party. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:23 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Brian Barker wrote: Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word break in the text. If you need to space material differently, you do it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever. I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper proceedure in LO? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO WRITER BASIC: insert an image, put a drawing-text on top and jump to next page
Dag Alain , vlaming ja ! i see you use only the dispatcher you write your macro, some actions can not been recorded, what not mean there is no dispatch action for it, there is a list for all dispatch actions http://hermione.s41.xrea.com/pukiwiki/index.php?OOoBasic%2FGeneric%2Fcommands_2.2.1 on this hermione website you find nearly all code you need do some more Googling for examples and try to use the API based Basic Code. so google for Openoffice basixc API insert Image Openoffice basixc API insert textframe etc Groeten Fernand (maandag ben ik terug op kantoor en daar heb ik ook alle code voorbeelden die je nodig hebt) Hello all, I'm writing a macro to create a document entirely based on database-contents. I have an image (page-sized) that should come on the first page, and then I should put the title on top of it and the jump to the next page. The part that follows (TOC + further contents of the document) is about finished and working but I have trouble with my title-page. I tried to record the inserting of the image, then add text on top of it using the drawing toolbar, then set the properties of that text to centered (horizontal and vertical), size it to the text and then jump to the next page. This resulted in this: sub afbeelding_en_titel rem -- rem define variables dim document as object dim dispatcher as object rem -- rem get access to the document document = ThisComponent.CurrentController.Frame dispatcher = createUnoService(com.sun.star.frame.DispatchHelper) rem -- dim args2(3) as new com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue args2(0).Name = FileName args2(0).Value = file:///home/alain/Data/Indiegroup/Cover%20Offerte%20Site%20Builder.jpg args2(1).Name = FilterName args2(1).Value = Alle indelingen args2(2).Name = AsLink args2(2).Value = false args2(3).Name = Style args2(3).Value = Afbeeldingen dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertGraphic, , 0, args2()) rem -- rem dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertDraw, , 0, Array()) rem -- rem dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:TransformDialog, , 0, Array()) rem -- dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:TextAttributes, , 0, Array()) rem -- dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertLinebreak, , 0, Array()) As you can see the recording didn't work after the inserting of the image and I find no documentation that accurately helps me figure it out the InsertDraw, TransformDialog and TextAttributes myself. Could anybody help me on this one? Any suggestion is welcome... Thanks in advance, Alain -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Hi :) That is not really something defined by the word-processor. I think current fashion is to use a single space to make it less obvious where a new sentence begins and thus mke it marginally more difficult to read. I still tend to use 2 spaces. Doubtless, fashion will change back to the way youi learned, or maybe go to a new paragraph per sentence as i have seen some people do in mainstream articles. End of sentences is not really what Brian was talking about. I'm sure you have seen tables and all sorts of things that are obviously meant to be lined up but somehow end up raggedy. Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 13:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Brian Barker wrote: Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word break in the text. If you need to space material differently, you do it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever. I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper proceedure in LO? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
On 8/15/2013 8:23 AM, James Knott wrote: I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper proceedure in LO? I remember reading several years ago that the double spaces are no longer needed because the software knows to adjust the spacing. So I would say that with the modern text editors, the proper procedure would be to just use a single space and let the software handle the spacing. If you forget and use a double space, well, I guess the software will handle that too. ;-) Ruth Ann, Cincinnati, OH USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Write: Footer getting additional lines in Doc format
Hi, I am struggling with a doc format support - the footer of all my doc files are getting additional lines inserted automatically - thus enlarging the footer area each time I open the document without me even touching the footer area. How do I figure why is this happening? And how do I make it to stop? Thanks! Alex -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Write-Footer-getting-additional-lines-in-Doc-format-tp4070170.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Virgil Arrington wrote: The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences with proportionally spaced fonts. In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used. Typically, an en quad was used between words and an em quad between sentences. The names refer to the width of upper case N and M characters. So, the space between words was as wide as an N and between sentences, an M. There were also wider ones, such as double M and triple M. Typesetting machines, such as the Linotype also had provision for different width spaces. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Ruth Ann wrote: I remember reading several years ago that the double spaces are no longer needed because the software knows to adjust the spacing. So I would say that with the modern text editors, the proper procedure would be to just use a single space and let the software handle the spacing. If you forget and use a double space, well, I guess the software will handle that too. ;-) So, how would it tell the difference between the end of a sentence, terminated with a period and a sentence containing a period used as part of an abbreviation such as Dr. or etc.? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] More mail merge help needed
I am not an expert, but I do have a question. Does Salesforce have a database connector that will allow you to use LibreOffice Base as an intermediary to your Writer document? Paul On 8/14/2013 1:35 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote: I'm trying to create mail merge documents that contain merge fields for a document that can't connect directly to the data source. That source (Salesforce) can read the documents if the field names are correctly entered. I can type the field names in manually, but I can't figure out how to generate a label merge document that will work. The mail merge wizard doesn't seemingly allow users to generate label merges (options are letter and email). And I can't find a way to generate a merge document manually without using the wizard. I see no menu items for mail merge steps (I can find the insert field tool, but that's it - no tool to allow me to switch between merge fields and merged data without going into the wizard). I've tried starting with New-Labels, then choosing the correct label type and clicking New Document (I can't connect to the database, so can't enter the merge fields in the dialog). I can then type in merge fields as Salesforce wants to see them, but I can't figure out how to make it a merge document with the next record and next page items. In Insert-Fields there is a Next Record option but it's only available when there's a database connected. Finally, I've been through a lot of documentation so if there's a good mail merge document online, that might be enough. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Tom Davies wrote: I think current fashion is to use a single space to make it less obvious where a new sentence begins and thus mke it marginally more difficult to read. I still tend to use 2 spaces. Doubtless, fashion will change back to the way youi learned, or maybe go to a new paragraph per sentence as i have seen some people do in mainstream articles. There have been many occasions when I have struggled to read something where proper sentence and paragraph form (not to mention spelling and punctuation) were not followed. There's a reason for such structures and that is to make it easier to read and comprehend things. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Write: Footer getting additional lines in Doc format
Hi Alex, sschneider wrote (15-08-13 15:36) I am struggling with a doc format support - the footer of all my doc files are getting additional lines inserted automatically - thus enlarging the footer area each time I open the document without me even touching the footer area. How do I figure why is this happening? This is cause by a bug, reported here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66165 And how do I make it to stop? As you can read in the issue, it will be fixed in 4.1.1 and 4.0.5. The latter is expected next week, and the first (out of my head) in a few. Kind regards, Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Write: Footer getting additional lines in Doc format
Hi Cor, Brilliant, thanks very much! Sorry for not looking it up beforehand. Will do next time. Cheers, Mag. Alexander Schneider, MBA obchodný riaditel( SCHNEIDER LEKÁREN( C(apajevova 23 080 01 Prešov mobil: +421 (907) 753 477 tel: +421 (51) 74 63 011 fax: +421 (51) 77 18 065 web: http://www.schneider-lekaren.sk Upozornenie: Informácia, ktorá je obsahom tejto e-mailovej správy je dôverná, je urc(ená výluc(ne adresátovi a môže byt( predmetom ochrany osobných údajov, osobnostných práv, obchodného tajomstva, autorských práv, alebo iných právnych výsad a /alebo zákazu vyhotovovania kópií. Za obsah správy zodpovedá výluc(ne fyzická osoba, ktorá správu odoslala a jej odoslanie z domény schneider-lekaren.sk v žiadnom prípade nezakladá potvrdenie obsahu správy vlastníkom tejto domény alebo jeho inú zodpovednost( v súvislosti s touto správou. Pokial( c(itatel( tejto správy nie je osobou totožnou s odosielatel(om urc(eným adresátom, upozorn(ujeme ho, že zverejn(ovanie, rozširovanie alebo zhotovovanie kópií tejto správy je protizákonné. Pokial( nie ste oprávnenou osobou prosím odošlite túto správu bezodkladne naspät( odosielatel(ovi alebo nám to oznámte telefonicky na c(.tel. 00 421 51 7463011 a potom odstrán(te správu z Vášho poc(ítac(a. Vírusy: Táto e-mailová správa bola pred odoslaním skontrolovaná antivírusovým programom. Napriek tomu odporúc(ame ju skontrolovat( pre prípad možného zavírenia v c(ase doruc(ovania. V žiadnom prípade nezodpovedáme za prípadnú vírusovú kontamináciu tejto správy. Dn(a 15. 8. 2013 16:37 Cor Nouws [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote / napísal(a): Hi Alex, sschneider wrote (15-08-13 15:36) I am struggling with a doc format support - the footer of all my doc files are getting additional lines inserted automatically - thus enlarging the footer area each time I open the document without me even touching the footer area. How do I figure why is this happening? This is cause by a bug, reported here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66165 And how do I make it to stop? As you can read in the issue, it will be fixed in 4.1.1 and 4.0.5. The latter is expected next week, and the first (out of my head) in a few. Kind regards, Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4070181i=0 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Write-Footer-getting-additional-lines-in-Doc-format-tp4070170p4070181.html To unsubscribe from Write: Footer getting additional lines in Doc format, click here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4070170code=cy5zY2huZWlkZXJAc2NobmVpZGVyLWxla2FyZW4uc2t8NDA3MDE3MHwxMTI4NDM5NDMy. NAML http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml part1.07070102.01060...@schneider-lekaren.sk (8K) http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/attachment/4070182/0/part1.07070102.01060003%40schneider-lekaren.sk -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Write-Footer-getting-additional-lines-in-Doc-format-tp4070170p4070182.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
Hi again. OK. I've been through the eLAIX extension and found it works quite well. I have successfully exported the first chapter of the Getting started with LO 4.0 guide (the one titled Introducing LibreOffice). Main problems I had were: - eLAIX doesn't like custom styles for headings, I had to change the headings to the standard values. I didn't gave them the properties the original document headings had (fonts, colour, etc.) but it could be easily done. It's probably useless, though, because most readers would ignore this settings. I think Virgil had problems with customized styles with the writer2epub extension too. - The first item on the lists would display different from the rest, because two different custom styles were used to create lists in this ODT: one for the first item and another for the rest of the list. Don't know why, but just giving standard list style to all solved the problem. - For some reason I don't understand, but may be something regarding frames, eLAIX failed to export the images embedded in the document. I solved this by extracting the Pictures folder from the ODT file (I used 7-zip) and then eliminating each image from the original document and inserting it again via the macro provided by eLAIX itself to insert pictures. Then, the images were properly exported. - eLAIX creates its own index, so I eliminated the ODT index. - When opening the epub file in my reader, I found a weird thing about the figure fields. These are auto-numeric fields used in the captions that follow images, like, let's say: Figure 1, LibreOffice starting window. The number here is introduced as a field (which is wise if one doesn't want to keep on updating the captions manually). Well, my reader marked these as links that linked to the beginning of the epub. This is not solved in my export. Rough solution, to eliminate the field and work the captions manually. So, my experience with eLAIX is that it would do a pretty good job, but it would take some time and effort. By the way, is there a method to make Writer select all the text with a specific style so then one can change the style of similar headings at a time? It will reduce a lot of work just to tell Write: take all the text styled as OOoHeader1 and change it into Header 1. Now, there is another much easier way to export ODT into EPUB, specially if they are well built, like is the case with the LO documentation: to pass them through the calibre ( http://calibre-ebook.com/ ) converter. I checked this with the full Getting Started Guide. It took to it quite an hour and a half in this laptop I'm using (which is not the most powerful one in the world) and it gave a reasonably good EPUB. Just two main problems: - It changes page with each new chapter or sub-chapter, so the epub has more pages than the ODT, and all the references in the original text (go to page x) make no sense, though the links will still link to the good place. Same thing for the numbers of page in the index. Maybe this can be fixed through calibre's configuration, I haven't tried that. - Some frames are rendered in a way that they don't fit in the reader's screen, so they remain partially illegible. Both these problems could be solved by editing the ODT prior to the calibre exportation, eliminating the numbers of page in the references and the index and making the frames smaller. Conclusion: eLAIX could do the job, is more flexible and works as a part of Writer. Calibre will do a more quick and less accurate work, and is third-party software, not related to LibreOffice. Still, if one just uses the exporting tools of eLAIX and calibre without any previous editing of the ODT files, calibre will come with a much better epub than eLAIX. But all of this means nothing if you don't check the epubs by yourselves. How can I share them? I'm not sure that attaching them to a mail to this list would be the appropriate way. I wait for your comments. Regards, Joaquín -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
save the original as docbook and use pandoc to convert to epub or epub3 and compare ;-) On 8/15/13 7:20 AM, Joaquín Lameiro wrote: Hi again. OK. I've been through the eLAIX extension and found it works quite well. I have successfully exported the first chapter of the Getting started with LO 4.0 guide (the one titled Introducing LibreOffice). Main problems I had were: - eLAIX doesn't like custom styles for headings, I had to change the headings to the standard values. I didn't gave them the properties the original document headings had (fonts, colour, etc.) but it could be easily done. It's probably useless, though, because most readers would ignore this settings. I think Virgil had problems with customized styles with the writer2epub extension too. - The first item on the lists would display different from the rest, because two different custom styles were used to create lists in this ODT: one for the first item and another for the rest of the list. Don't know why, but just giving standard list style to all solved the problem. - For some reason I don't understand, but may be something regarding frames, eLAIX failed to export the images embedded in the document. I solved this by extracting the Pictures folder from the ODT file (I used 7-zip) and then eliminating each image from the original document and inserting it again via the macro provided by eLAIX itself to insert pictures. Then, the images were properly exported. - eLAIX creates its own index, so I eliminated the ODT index. - When opening the epub file in my reader, I found a weird thing about the figure fields. These are auto-numeric fields used in the captions that follow images, like, let's say: Figure 1, LibreOffice starting window. The number here is introduced as a field (which is wise if one doesn't want to keep on updating the captions manually). Well, my reader marked these as links that linked to the beginning of the epub. This is not solved in my export. Rough solution, to eliminate the field and work the captions manually. So, my experience with eLAIX is that it would do a pretty good job, but it would take some time and effort. By the way, is there a method to make Writer select all the text with a specific style so then one can change the style of similar headings at a time? It will reduce a lot of work just to tell Write: take all the text styled as OOoHeader1 and change it into Header 1. Now, there is another much easier way to export ODT into EPUB, specially if they are well built, like is the case with the LO documentation: to pass them through the calibre ( http://calibre-ebook.com/ ) converter. I checked this with the full Getting Started Guide. It took to it quite an hour and a half in this laptop I'm using (which is not the most powerful one in the world) and it gave a reasonably good EPUB. Just two main problems: - It changes page with each new chapter or sub-chapter, so the epub has more pages than the ODT, and all the references in the original text (go to page x) make no sense, though the links will still link to the good place. Same thing for the numbers of page in the index. Maybe this can be fixed through calibre's configuration, I haven't tried that. - Some frames are rendered in a way that they don't fit in the reader's screen, so they remain partially illegible. Both these problems could be solved by editing the ODT prior to the calibre exportation, eliminating the numbers of page in the references and the index and making the frames smaller. Conclusion: eLAIX could do the job, is more flexible and works as a part of Writer. Calibre will do a more quick and less accurate work, and is third-party software, not related to LibreOffice. Still, if one just uses the exporting tools of eLAIX and calibre without any previous editing of the ODT files, calibre will come with a much better epub than eLAIX. But all of this means nothing if you don't check the epubs by yourselves. How can I share them? I'm not sure that attaching them to a mail to this list would be the appropriate way. I wait for your comments. Regards, Joaquín -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 15/08/13 01:12, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:29 14/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Sorry to be so thick ... For what it's worth, I don't recognise that. ... but all the above went well until I revisited the page styles having shut down LO and started again later. Sadly the new style I had created following your steps above was not there! I have looked for a save option but cannot find one. How do I fix the newly created page style so it is available in the menu in future? Styles are saved in documents. If you saved the document you were working in when you created the styles, the styles will still exist in that document. (If you didn't, they won't!) If you want to use them in another document, you can import them using the Load Styles... facility in the Styles Formatting window. But in your case, you appeared to want these styles in documents in the form of letters, so the sensible way forward would be to create an otherwise empty document with any headings you wanted and your new styles. Then save that document as a template (File | Save as Template). When you want to create a new letter, instead of starting with a default blank document, start from your new template and then save the document so created as the new letter. You'll probably want two new templates, one for each of your letter types and each containing just one set of new styles appropriate to that letter type. Brian Barker Hi Brian, Ok but what puzzles me is that in Styles Formatting window, Page Styles tab, there are 10 or so styles listed, including the first page to which you referred me earlier. What I had intended to do was create a new first page page style from it, and save as say letter_first_page so that it appeared in this list when I next opened it. I could then import that into two new documents which I would edit to further to create the two templates I need at present. Meanwhile I find I have created a template which looks OK starting with all defaults I assume and to which I have added a header. When I tried to change the style to first page so that the header would not appear on the second page, the header that I had typed vanished and I was presented with a blank header! I shall keep trying. Regards, Budge -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
On 8/15/2013 10:28 AM, James Knott wrote: So, how would it tell the difference between the end of a sentence, terminated with a period and a sentence containing a period used as part of an abbreviation such as Dr. or etc.? Having just spent several weeks learning all about Object Oriented Programming, I would answer that by saying it should not matter how it can tell the difference, but only that it does. ;-) -- Ruth Ann Stewart, Cincinnati, OH -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
I wouldn't have thought to introduce the topic of letterpress printing here, but since James Knott has, replete with monstrous errors, correction is in order. No letterpress compositor would employ an en quad as an interword space, except possibly when justifying. A standard job case contains, along with the various quads, typemetal spaces in 3 sizes: 3-to-the-em, 4-to-the-em, and 5-to-the-em. There are also thin spaces, not proportional to the font size: brass at 1 point, copper at 1/2 point. These spacings are often written as 3/em, c., but are pronounced as fully written out, to avoid confusion with the 3em and suchlike quads. A 3-to-the-emis the absolute standard interword space, which is why they are located in the large and central compartment as shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Job_Case cid:part1.03010301.04010302@comcast.net. (You have to scroll down a bit to see the clear diagram provided.) As to intersentence spacing, the battle rages on, as we have seen in this forum. Personally, I use an em quad with handset type. More arcana can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing cid:part2.00090403.02050803@comcast.net. trj -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Miss Keating wrote: No letterpress compositor would employ an en quad as an interword space, except possibly when justifying. A standard job case contains, along with the various quads, typemetal spaces in 3 sizes: 3-to-the-em, 4-to-the-em, and 5-to-the-em. There are also thin spaces, not proportional to the font size: brass at 1 point, copper at 1/2 point. These spacings are often written as 3/em, c., but are pronounced as fully written out, to avoid confusion with the 3em and suchlike quads. I wish I had one of those old typesetting books handy, that I used to read. They seem a bit scarce now. ;-) One thing I noticed in that article about the California job case. It says 'except for the J and U, moved to the lowest line to help avoid confusing them with I and V respectively'. The way I learned it, from those books, was the J and U were added to the alphabet after the type case was invented and so placed after Z. It's been over 40 years since I've done any typesetting. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
He is surely renting hosting space from some company, and surely they possibly have the means to assist in the day to day maintenance, i.e fixing common issues, running tasks and housekeeping not involved in probing into restricted parts of the web pages, flagging him of web issues, which he deems private (only he can access and work with) content, issues such as spam, and blocking it. Really, so easy to resolve even if one does not have time for a supposedly public web space. Andrew Brown On 15/08/2013 02:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I've not been a long term user (or contributor) of the site but i agree with Dave Barton about this. Maybe if a one or 2 of us could approach the owner? Let him know there might be a way for him to retain control but also make it easier for him to manage? It sounds like a simple day-to-day chore took down the website and that could be taken care of by someone or some organisation he could delegate that sort of thing too? Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing Nino Novak wrote: Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent unofficial one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the Registration Agreement Terms, would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element?
Hi! When I create a new Writer document, each element I enter in the document (like a heading or paragraph) adds new elements to office:automatic-styles in content.xml, even though I do not use any direct formatting. So, selecting style Title, entering the title, then selecting Text Body and entering a paragraph creates the following automatic styles in content.xml: office:automatic-styles style:style style:name=P1 style:family=paragraph style:parent-style-name=Text_20_body style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid=00063317/ /style:style style:style style:name=P2 style:family=paragraph style:parent-style-name=Title style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid=00063317/ /style:style style:style style:name=T1 style:family=text style:text-properties officeooo:rsid=00063317/ /style:style /office:automatic-styles and the actual content: office:body office:text text:p text:style-name=P2text:span text:style-name=T1This is my title/text:span/text:p text:p text:style-name=P1text:span text:style-name=T1This is a text body paragraph./text:span/text:p /office:text /office:body Now, I can delete the unwanted direct formatting by clicking Format - Clear direct formatting. Then, the content looks as nice and clean: text:p text:style-name=TitleThis is my title/text:p text:p text:style-name=Text_20_bodyThis is a text body paragraph./text:p However, this removal of unnecessary direct formatting is not very appropriate, as I sometimes do have direct formatting (a subscript for instance). Is it possible to suppress Writer's behaviour of defining those meaningless automatic styles? And if not, is it possible to get rid of only the meaningless direct formatting, i.e. those style:style elements, that do not contain any formatting attributes? I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.3.3. Thanks for your help, Holger -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
In this thread, and as Miss Keating has corrected some reference of actual printing of the hard copy type, we are forgetting punctuation and a language layout in how it was and is handwritten, how it has been adapted for typesetting / letterpress printing, and hey presto how we are all communicating to each other right now, digitally. Everyone is talking about and applying laws that are about sensible grammar, correctly and incorrectly, and which to a degree have to be applied to the digital word. But raw computer code gives no hoot for spacing, it is actually a hindrance and adds drag to the speed of processing. Spacing, punctuation etc. are for the human eye, as someone has posted, in creating fluid reading and interpretation, generally called the white space of a document. Today many programmers, and I on a very small scale, as I am not an involved programmer, can introduce conditions in code to strip or add spaces, which is a piece of code by the way, computers do not know what is a white space or blank, it's treated as a character. So we need to get around what we are referring to when it comes to digital text or the written / printed word. Andrew Brown On 15/08/2013 06:25 PM, Miss Keating wrote: I wouldn't have thought to introduce the topic of letterpress printing here, but since James Knott has, replete with monstrous errors, correction is in order. No letterpress compositor would employ an en quad as an interword space, except possibly when justifying. A standard job case contains, along with the various quads, typemetal spaces in 3 sizes: 3-to-the-em, 4-to-the-em, and 5-to-the-em. There are also thin spaces, not proportional to the font size: brass at 1 point, copper at 1/2 point. These spacings are often written as 3/em, c., but are pronounced as fully written out, to avoid confusion with the 3em and suchlike quads. A 3-to-the-emis the absolute standard interword space, which is why they are located in the large and central compartment as shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Job_Case cid:part1.03010301.04010302@comcast.net. (You have to scroll down a bit to see the clear diagram provided.) As to intersentence spacing, the battle rages on, as we have seen in this forum. Personally, I use an em quad with handset type. More arcana can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing cid:part2.00090403.02050803@comcast.net. trj -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Well, that's what someone decided, and it is the standard for HTML, but it still is not universally accepted. A double space, whatever minimal width the space is, makes it clear that a sentence has ended. There is an obvious difference from a single space following an abbreviation, for example. I don't expect a word processor to eliminate extra spaces (and I long ago disabled that correction). Dave On 8/14/2013 20:38, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:23 14/08/2013 -0500, Michael Morse wrote: For some reason, I am no longer able to make a series of spaces using the space bar. After one space, pressing the space bar will not advance the cursor. Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word break in the text. If you need to space material differently, you do it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever. I don't remember changing anything so I have no idea where to even begin to look for whatever setting I assume I must have changed to cause this behavior. Can someone help me how please? Yes: forget about multiple spaces and set up proper spacing using the correct facilities of your word processor, whichever that is. (Oh, but if you really want to fossilize in Typewriterland in the previous millennium, go to Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options and remove the tick from Ignore double spaces. And hang your head in shame.) ;^) I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Which would be fine, but it doesn't. Dave On 8/15/2013 09:17, Ruth Ann wrote: On 8/15/2013 10:28 AM, James Knott wrote: So, how would it tell the difference between the end of a sentence, terminated with a period and a sentence containing a period used as part of an abbreviation such as Dr. or etc.? Having just spent several weeks learning all about Object Oriented Programming, I would answer that by saying it should not matter how it can tell the difference, but only that it does. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element?
A simple solution - my method - is to merely type whatever then add whatever options as I go along; this saves time in that I know what's what. If you set these templates, then decide that the title should be smaller, or wish to set off some quote, or add some footnote, ... ... ... then you're stuck with whatever the template wants. I basically did/do the same thing when writing HTML - in fact, now, I have quite a lengthy page of HTML code which I apply whenever necessary - sure saves time having to remember what's what. Just some thoughts from the KIS corner ;-) On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Holger Schmithüsen holger.schmithue...@awi.de wrote: Hi! When I create a new Writer document, each element I enter in the document (like a heading or paragraph) adds new elements to office:automatic-styles in content.xml, even though I do not use any direct formatting. So, selecting style Title, entering the title, then selecting Text Body and entering a paragraph creates the following automatic styles in content.xml: office:automatic-styles style:style style:name=P1 style:family=paragraph style:parent-style-name=Text_**20_body style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid=**00063317/ /style:style style:style style:name=P2 style:family=paragraph style:parent-style-name=**Title style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid=**00063317/ /style:style style:style style:name=T1 style:family=text style:text-properties officeooo:rsid=00063317/ /style:style /office:automatic-styles and the actual content: office:body office:text text:p text:style-name=P2text:**span text:style-name=T1This is my title/text:span/text:p text:p text:style-name=P1text:**span text:style-name=T1This is a text body paragraph./text:span/text:**p /office:text /office:body Now, I can delete the unwanted direct formatting by clicking Format - Clear direct formatting. Then, the content looks as nice and clean: text:p text:style-name=TitleThis is my title/text:p text:p text:style-name=Text_20_body**This is a text body paragraph./text:p However, this removal of unnecessary direct formatting is not very appropriate, as I sometimes do have direct formatting (a subscript for instance). Is it possible to suppress Writer's behaviour of defining those meaningless automatic styles? And if not, is it possible to get rid of only the meaningless direct formatting, i.e. those style:style elements, that do not contain any formatting attributes? I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.3.3. Thanks for your help, Holger -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Umm!! No Dave, that's what thousands of years of language and millions of literary academics and scholars, since time of man to present decided on in language standards, especially as we are referring to here, the English language. Nothing to do with just HTML, a computer born programming language and not a literary language. The single space IS universally accepted as the norm for correct spacing in whatever medium we are writing / typing / printing in. It's what individuals do and teach incorrectly, but unchallenged on the whole, in adding double spaces between sentences. What one does and what is a standard is two different things. Regards Andrew Brown On 15/08/2013 08:04 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: Well, that's what someone decided, and it is the standard for HTML, but it still is not universally accepted. A double space, whatever minimal width the space is, makes it clear that a sentence has ended. There is an obvious difference from a single space following an abbreviation, for example. I don't expect a word processor to eliminate extra spaces (and I long ago disabled that correction). Dave On 8/14/2013 20:38, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:23 14/08/2013 -0500, Michael Morse wrote: For some reason, I am no longer able to make a series of spaces using the space bar. After one space, pressing the space bar will not advance the cursor. Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word break in the text. If you need to space material differently, you do it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever. I don't remember changing anything so I have no idea where to even begin to look for whatever setting I assume I must have changed to cause this behavior. Can someone help me how please? Yes: forget about multiple spaces and set up proper spacing using the correct facilities of your word processor, whichever that is. (Oh, but if you really want to fossilize in Typewriterland in the previous millennium, go to Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options and remove the tick from Ignore double spaces. And hang your head in shame.) ;^) I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Impress always starts in slice one
Hi since LO 4.1.0 impress always starts presentation in slice 1, no matter that you are in slice 8 in browser. Is there a new option for configuring this or is a bug? Thanks in advance C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress always starts in slice one
Le 15/08/2013 20:59, Alejo C.S. a écrit : Hi since LO 4.1.0 impress always starts presentation in slice 1, no matter that you are in slice 8 in browser. Is there a new option for configuring this or is a bug? Maj+F5 to start the slideshow at the current slide. Second entry of the Slideshow menu. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
using elaix you can do a global search and replace (easier I think with the alt replace ext.) of the headings used in a doc with the headings elaix employs. Took just a few minutes once you understand how to do that. HOWEVER you can always select to include the existing headings without the search and replace [and this worked as well, so no reheading was actually necessary :-) ] elaix added the larger images, which none of the other options handled well (there are two different styles of images in the GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt file, however, elaix also produce the tiny png files too large using pandoc download the odt file and save as a docbook which will produce an xml file now from command line run pandoc host:directory user$ pandoc -f docbook -t epub -s GS4001.xml -o gettingstarted.epub pandoc can also produce epub3 with mathml there will be some glitches here and there but it will likely present fewer issues than many other options for converting docs already formatted, such as the guides. I noticed that there were some issues with the different graphic files. using writer2xhtml actually, if anything, using writer2xhtml (http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/writer2xhtml) to export to epub is the simplest (though there has not been any recent work on the product) though images were an issue. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] how to save a file with security password
On 08/15/2013 01:27 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 00:58 15/08/2013 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I thought that passwords were broken in the current release I was unable to open my existing password protected documents with the latest release. Removed it and installed a previous version. So, if you cannot make it work, try a previous version. Aaargh! Apologies if I missed that. Brian Barker Just back-up one release or try the latest development build, hopefully they have fixed it in dev already. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO WRITER BASIC: insert an image, put a drawing-text on top and jump to next page
I believe that there are examples of inserting an image AndrewMacro.odt and probably also OOME (also available from my web site). Does this at least get you started? You stated that you were pulling data from a DB, how do you get your data from your database? On 08/15/2013 05:48 AM, Alain Van Utterbeeck wrote: Hello all, I'm writing a macro to create a document entirely based on database-contents. I have an image (page-sized) that should come on the first page, and then I should put the title on top of it and the jump to the next page. The part that follows (TOC + further contents of the document) is about finished and working but I have trouble with my title-page. I tried to record the inserting of the image, then add text on top of it using the drawing toolbar, then set the properties of that text to centered (horizontal and vertical), size it to the text and then jump to the next page. This resulted in this: sub afbeelding_en_titel rem -- rem define variables dim document as object dim dispatcher as object rem -- rem get access to the document document = ThisComponent.CurrentController.Frame dispatcher = createUnoService(com.sun.star.frame.DispatchHelper) rem -- dim args2(3) as new com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue args2(0).Name = FileName args2(0).Value = file:///home/alain/Data/Indiegroup/Cover%20Offerte%20Site%20Builder.jpg args2(1).Name = FilterName args2(1).Value = Alle indelingen args2(2).Name = AsLink args2(2).Value = false args2(3).Name = Style args2(3).Value = Afbeeldingen dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertGraphic, , 0, args2()) rem -- rem dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertDraw, , 0, Array()) rem -- rem dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:TransformDialog, , 0, Array()) rem -- dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:TextAttributes, , 0, Array()) rem -- dispatcher.executeDispatch(document, .uno:InsertLinebreak, , 0, Array()) As you can see the recording didn't work after the inserting of the image and I find no documentation that accurately helps me figure it out the InsertDraw, TransformDialog and TextAttributes myself. Could anybody help me on this one? Any suggestion is welcome... Thanks in advance, Alain -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
On 08/14/2013 06:42 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 14/08/2013 at 23:48, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: I am not aware of any way to scrape the content, perhaps someone more talented than I would know how to do that. Unfortunately, under some jurisdictions, creating backup copy of remote server might be considered an attack attempt and even penalized. Anyone willing to take a risk might want to get himself familiar with httrack (http://www.httrack.com/). Since legal status of all material posted there might be questionable, one should consider all options before making any copies publicly available. Personally I think that entire copyright law is just obstacle here and public read-only copy of site in question would not hurt anyone. But then, I have better things to do than proving my point before court. Thanks to specific help from Mirosław Zalewski, I was able to take a dump of the site and store them on my local machine! Yeah! Now, just need to figure out what to do with it! -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
Right on the money I believe... Step 1: formulate a proposal that allows the current owner to retain his emotional attachment to the site and yet still allows others to participate in the process. Step 2: ask him. I am more than happy to do that, but, I lack the skills or time be a real system administrator. So, I suppose that we would also need to have people who would be willing to help with that. The current forum uses a very old version of the software, would be nice to bring it up to date. On 08/15/2013 08:00 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I've not been a long term user (or contributor) of the site but i agree with Dave Barton about this. Maybe if a one or 2 of us could approach the owner? Let him know there might be a way for him to retain control but also make it easier for him to manage? It sounds like a simple day-to-day chore took down the website and that could be taken care of by someone or some organisation he could delegate that sort of thing too? Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing Nino Novak wrote: Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent unofficial one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the Registration Agreement Terms, would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
On 15/08/2013 at 23:00, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Thanks to specific help from Mirosław Zalewski, I was able to take a dump of the site and store them on my local machine! Yeah! Now, just need to figure out what to do with it! 1. Use grep to find files that contain what you need (extremely slow; there are better solutions with indexed databases, but I have not yet find suitable one). 2. When Google show you result from oooforum.org which is currently down, remember thread number and open offline copy of this particular file. At least that is what I would do if I wanted to access data from saved copy ;) -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress always starts in slice one
try shift+f5 Dr Soumalya Ray drsoumalya-...@yahoo.co.in MBBS,MD(PGT-C.Medicine),Ex-HP(Medicine) skype:som3776|twitter:@docbkp From: Alejo C.S. alej@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013 12:29 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Impress always starts in slice one Hi since LO 4.1.0 impress always starts presentation in slice 1, no matter that you are in slice 8 in browser. Is there a new option for configuring this or is a bug? Thanks in advance C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element?
Hi :) I find it easier to stick to using styles and then sometimes edit the styles as a i go along. I don't know of any format that doesn't throw in tons of extra formatting. Rtf is probably the one with the least extra random bits of unused code but it's a legacy format that is out dated already. Have you compared with the coding in other formats? I think Odt manages to a void a lot of the personal information that gets stored in Doc and DocX. I've not really looked at other formats much. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Holger Schmithüsen holger.schmithue...@awi.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 19:27 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element? A simple solution - my method - is to merely type whatever then add whatever options as I go along; this saves time in that I know what's what. If you set these templates, then decide that the title should be smaller, or wish to set off some quote, or add some footnote, ... ... ... then you're stuck with whatever the template wants. I basically did/do the same thing when writing HTML - in fact, now, I have quite a lengthy page of HTML code which I apply whenever necessary - sure saves time having to remember what's what. Just some thoughts from the KIS corner ;-) On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Holger Schmithüsen holger.schmithue...@awi.de wrote: Hi! When I create a new Writer document, each element I enter in the document (like a heading or paragraph) adds new elements to office:automatic-styles in content.xml, even though I do not use any direct formatting. So, selecting style Title, entering the title, then selecting Text Body and entering a paragraph creates the following automatic styles in content.xml: office:automatic-styles style:style style:name=P1 style:family=paragraph style:parent-style-name=Text_**20_body style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid=**00063317/ /style:style style:style style:name=P2 style:family=paragraph style:parent-style-name=**Title style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid=**00063317/ /style:style style:style style:name=T1 style:family=text style:text-properties officeooo:rsid=00063317/ /style:style /office:automatic-styles and the actual content: office:body office:text text:p text:style-name=P2text:**span text:style-name=T1This is my title/text:span/text:p text:p text:style-name=P1text:**span text:style-name=T1This is a text body paragraph./text:span/text:**p /office:text /office:body Now, I can delete the unwanted direct formatting by clicking Format - Clear direct formatting. Then, the content looks as nice and clean: text:p text:style-name=TitleThis is my title/text:p text:p text:style-name=Text_20_body**This is a text body paragraph./text:p However, this removal of unnecessary direct formatting is not very appropriate, as I sometimes do have direct formatting (a subscript for instance). Is it possible to suppress Writer's behaviour of defining those meaningless automatic styles? And if not, is it possible to get rid of only the meaningless direct formatting, i.e. those style:style elements, that do not contain any formatting attributes? I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.3.3. Thanks for your help, Holger -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Ruth, I think you may be right about digital typesetting programs like LaTeX. By default, it automatically inserts a wider space after sentence ending punctuation. This can be disabled with the \frenchspacing command. However, word processors, like LO, aren't as smart. I don't believe they make any adjustments after sentence ending punctuation. I think most typographic experts would recommend using only one space when preparing a document with a word processor and proportionally spaced type. Virgil -Original Message- From: Ruth Ann Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:11 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting On 8/15/2013 8:23 AM, James Knott wrote: I have long been in the habit of putting a double space between sentences. I learned that in a typing class, IIRC. What's the proper proceedure in LO? I remember reading several years ago that the double spaces are no longer needed because the software knows to adjust the spacing. So I would say that with the modern text editors, the proper procedure would be to just use a single space and let the software handle the spacing. If you forget and use a double space, well, I guess the software will handle that too. ;-) Ruth Ann, Cincinnati, OH USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
I got my information from Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic Style. I have noticed that older books from the 19th century had wider spacing after sentence ending punctuation. Newer books, say from the mid 20th century on, seem to have narrower spacing between sentences. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:22 AM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Virgil Arrington wrote: The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences with proportionally spaced fonts. In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used. Typically, an en quad was used between words and an em quad between sentences. The names refer to the width of upper case N and M characters. So, the space between words was as wide as an N and between sentences, an M. There were also wider ones, such as double M and triple M. Typesetting machines, such as the Linotype also had provision for different width spaces. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Andrew Brown wrote: on in language standards, especially as we are referring to here, the English language. Nothing to do with just HTML, a computer born programming language and not a literary language. The single space IS universally accepted as the norm for correct spacing in whatever medium we are writing / typing / printing in. It's what individuals do and teach incorrectly, but unchallenged on the whole, in adding double spaces between sentences. What one does and what is a standard is two different things. A wider space between sentences more clearly delineates the sentence and makes it easier to read. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
At 16:34 15/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Ok but what puzzles me is that in Styles Formatting window, Page Styles tab, there are 10 or so styles listed, including the first page to which you referred me earlier. Er, they are the default page styles which come with the product. What I had intended to do was create a new first page page style from it, and save as say letter_first_page so that it appeared in this list when I next opened it. I could then import that into two new documents which I would edit to further to create the two templates I need at present. You want this in two templates. (Actually, I suspect you want *different* first page styles in each of two templates.) You can create it in one and then import it (using Load Styles...) into the other. Job done. Why are you choosing to create it in a third document first? Did you then save your third document? If so, your new style is there. If not, you have destroyed your work before you attempted to use it. I don't think you can add to the default set of styles. You can store new styles in documents and you can store them in templates (even the default template) - which is much the same as having them in the default set. Meanwhile I find I have created a template which looks OK starting with all defaults I assume and to which I have added a header. When I tried to change the style to first page so that the header would not appear on the second page, the header that I had typed vanished and I was presented with a blank header! I'm not clear which page you set to have this style or what Next Style you have set for any of your styles, so I cannot guess what you are doing here. But headers are a property of page styles, so if you change the style of any page - whether directly or as a result of a change to some preceding page - you will get the header of that new style instead of what you had before. That's exactly why you would choose to change the style, of course! I shall keep trying. Good-oh! Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
When I was learning such things back in the 1960s and 70s, a single space between sentences would have been marked as wrong. Things do have a way of constantly changing (evolving or deteriorating, depending on your opinion), but I still stick to the two-space standard after the sentence. I think that makes things more readable, and I believe readability should be the paramount goal. -- Tim Deaton On 8/15/2013 2:30 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!! No Dave, that's what thousands of years of language and millions of literary academics and scholars, since time of man to present decided on in language standards, especially as we are referring to here, the English language. Nothing to do with just HTML, a computer born programming language and not a literary language. The single space IS universally accepted as the norm for correct spacing in whatever medium we are writing / typing / printing in. It's what individuals do and teach incorrectly, but unchallenged on the whole, in adding double spaces between sentences. What one does and what is a standard is two different things. Regards Andrew Brown On 15/08/2013 08:04 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: Well, that's what someone decided, and it is the standard for HTML, but it still is not universally accepted. A double space, whatever minimal width the space is, makes it clear that a sentence has ended. There is an obvious difference from a single space following an abbreviation, for example. I don't expect a word processor to eliminate extra spaces (and I long ago disabled that correction). Dave On 8/14/2013 20:38, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:23 14/08/2013 -0500, Michael Morse wrote: For some reason, I am no longer able to make a series of spaces using the space bar. After one space, pressing the space bar will not advance the cursor. Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word break in the text. If you need to space material differently, you do it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever. I don't remember changing anything so I have no idea where to even begin to look for whatever setting I assume I must have changed to cause this behavior. Can someone help me how please? Yes: forget about multiple spaces and set up proper spacing using the correct facilities of your word processor, whichever that is. (Oh, but if you really want to fossilize in Typewriterland in the previous millennium, go to Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options and remove the tick from Ignore double spaces. And hang your head in shame.) ;^) I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
An interesting observation Virgil. When I went to school, mind you it was several lifetimes ago and in the backwoods of the Australian outback so it may not be too relevant to anywhere else on the planet but, I was told to always leave a double space at the end of every sentence. That was with hand writing, before typewriters were invented, at least there were none within several hundred miles of where I grew up. These days with modern word processors I just don't bother to even try and insert two spaces at the end of sentences but I suppose I should, it certainly looks nicer and may even be proper. It would be nice if modern word processors at least provided the option of a setting to do this automatically. Perhaps it should be the default setting. (please note no double spaces used in this text) Cheers all, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington [mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013 10:29 AM To: James Knott; LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting I got my information from Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic Style. I have noticed that older books from the 19th century had wider spacing after sentence ending punctuation. Newer books, say from the mid 20th century on, seem to have narrower spacing between sentences. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:22 AM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Virgil Arrington wrote: The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences with proportionally spaced fonts. In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used. Typically, an en quad was used between words and an em quad between sentences. The names refer to the width of upper case N and M characters. So, the space between words was as wide as an N and between sentences, an M. There were also wider ones, such as double M and triple M. Typesetting machines, such as the Linotype also had provision for different width spaces. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
