[libreoffice-users] QA on the LibreOffice project

2014-10-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi, I'm intentionally starting a new thread, as Charles's replies this morning raised a few points that are rather important for subscribers of this mailing list to know about. At least it seems that Charles reall assumed certain things about our project that are inaccurate and in turn that

[libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-03 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 03/10/2014 07:27, Alan B a écrit : Hi Alan, I have a database from the US gov't, npidata freely available, with about 3.5 million rows and around 350 columns. Actually the gov't provides a csv. Imported it into a MySQL db using the MySQL command line. Never been able to read the primary

[libreoffice-users] Re: [Base Database] How to open a particular form at startup ?

2014-10-03 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 02/10/2014 22:00, Rafnews a écrit : Hi, i have a database created with Base from LibreOffice. i have a form stored in the same ODB file called FMain. Now how can i do to open automatically the form when i open the ODB file ?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-03 Thread Heinrich Stöllinger
Alex Thurgood schrieb: Le 03/10/2014 07:27, Alan B a écrit : Hi Alan, I have a database from the US gov't, npidata freely available, with about 3.5 million rows and around 350 columns. Actually the gov't provides a csv. Imported it into a MySQL db using the MySQL command line. Never been able

[libreoffice-users] fixing as a service ...

2014-10-03 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Tanstaafl / Florian, On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 09:50 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: You obviously haven't read this entire thread. Florian is trying to extort money from me to fix this major regression. So - just to put my oar in here since Collabora was mentioned; I notice several issues here

Re: [libreoffice-users] fixing as a service ...

2014-10-03 Thread Michael Meeks
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 12:26 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: So basically LibreOffice is Is what it is (profound huh). Anything could easily fail at any time. All software is buggy. If something does fail then users are expected to fix it for themselves ? I don't know

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
Fair enough. I guess that belief was a remnant from the Sun/Openoffice days. My apologies for a huge, incorrect assumption. Also, I just realized there is a distinction that I have been making, but that may have been missed and so may be causing a disconnect. That distinction is, code that

Re: [libreoffice-users] fixing as a service ...

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
Tom, I didn't read Michael's email in any way shape or form the way you did. I thought it was very on point and productive, as far as it went. It also appears that there are actually two different bugs with respect to this new inline editing, one of which deals with fields *other* than 'Input

Re: [libreoffice-users] fixing as a service ...

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) So you are saying that posting a bug-report and co-operating with the devs politely is shouting and pointing? That is all that Tanstaafl was doing before suddenly getting attacked by Charles, Sophie, Werner, Florian and others at the beginning of this thread. All i have seen him do since

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Base Database] How to open a particular form at startup ?

2014-10-03 Thread Marion Noel Lodge
Hi, I have a macro similar to neptuneuk's that Alex pointed to, but I go one step further. I run Windows 7 64 bit. I right click on my project's .odb file, click on 'Send to' and then on 'Desktop (create shortcut)'. Then I can simply double click on the shortcut to go directly into my Main

[libreoffice-users] Re: fixing as a service ...

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
Hi Michael, Thanks, mostly agree with your thoughts, with two comments... On 10/3/2014 6:55 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com wrote: B. It is true that there is a sense in which large corporate users of LibreOffice capture a lot of benefit and cost saving from that - and a

Re: [libreoffice-users] fixing as a service ...

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) It was points B, D and his 2nd to last paragraph. Normally those wouldn't have caused concern but they follow on from what Charles Schulz has been saying. Also the fact that Paul's post got ignored. He, Paul, obviously raises good points that none of them can deal with = so instead they

Re: [libreoffice-users] Many apologies to the devs generally and the individual one in question

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/2/2014 8:15 PM, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote: I did say it was not a major thing to be guilty of, and I really mean that. These things happen, and a simple oops, my bad, I'll fix that is really all that I feel is needed here. I agree - but they didn't. Instead, users are told

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Base Database] How to open a particular form at startup ?

2014-10-03 Thread Dan Lewis
On 10/03/2014 08:27 AM, Marion Noel Lodge wrote: Hi, I have a macro similar to neptuneuk's that Alex pointed to, but I go one step further. I run Windows 7 64 bit. I right click on my project's .odb file, click on 'Send to' and then on 'Desktop (create shortcut)'. Then I can simply double

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Aww heck that'd be brilliant! If TDF could take Thunderbird under their wing instead of leaving it with Mozilla. Mozilla don't seem to appreciate just how many people rely on Thunderbird. It's the best OpenSource email client around, in the opinion of a huge percentage of people

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Joel Madero
I really do understand but I think you underestimate the complexity of a project with more than 10,000,000 lines of code. That being said, I have no additional feedback and we're not going to be forcing anything on volunteers so . . . we can agree to disagree and know that this is how the project

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-03 Thread Dan Lewis
On 10/03/2014 06:07 AM, Heinrich Stöllinger wrote: Alex Thurgood schrieb: Le 03/10/2014 07:27, Alan B a écrit : Hi Alan, I have a database from the US gov't, npidata freely available, with about 3.5 million rows and around 350 columns. Actually the gov't provides a csv. Imported it into a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/2/2014 3:11 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Charles S. (aka Tanstaafl) was given instructions and has agreed to do what needs to be done and review the corrected function for his use case with a current build of master (4.4.0alpha0+)--and respond in the fdo#76565

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) The 4.4.0 is due out fairly soon, within a month or so. It might be good to test-drive the alpha and beta release on 1 or 2 machines because they are generally stable enough for your own usage. Obviously don't roll-out until after 4.4.1 at the earliest if your users are likely to get

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/3/2014 12:36 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: It might be good to test-drive the alpha and beta release on 1 or 2 machines because they are generally stable enough for your own usage. I'm doing that now with this release - will change to a beta once it is available. Obviously

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/3/2014 12:35 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Q: Why do not get bugs fixed at the moment they are reported? A: Before devs see the bug, it goes through the hands of QA. We are a small team and have a lot of backlog on reported bugs. (More bugs are reported than we are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/3/2014 12:25 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:11 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Charles S. (aka Tanstaafl) was given instructions and has agreed to do what needs to be done and review the corrected function for his use case with a current

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Florian Reisinger
Hi, answer inline, Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 03.10.2014 um 19:08 schrieb Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org: On 10/3/2014 12:35 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: a) new bugs that are introduced with new code from existing/current developers, and that

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Joel Madero
I have no clue how my comment was rude, it's pretty standard in open source world to say that patches welcome or some variation. I'm unsubscribing though as I don't have the time nor energy to continue this and you seem to have more than enough of both to go around. Enjoy ranting on the thread.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/3/2014 1:27 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Bugs are bugs. Bugs are not meant to be introduced. I agree... your point? For developers and end users it one not matter, if the bug is in new code or not. True enough. Even if it seems to be in new code, how do you

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) That all seems reasonable. It also seems like a good idea to regularly market the QA team in the Users List. New people with a variety of skills join this Mailing List all the time and many are looking for a way of contributing back to the project. It'd be kinda rude not to invite them in!

[libreoffice-users] zoom in and out bound to a key

2014-10-03 Thread Uwe Brauer
Hello LO has a nice button down right which allows to zoom in and out using the mouse. However I would prefer to bind zoom in to a key and zoom out to another say Crt-+ and Crtl-- but when I go to Customize--View--Zoom in and bound it to say Crtl-+ nothing happens, Customize--View--what do I

Re: [libreoffice-users] zoom in and out bound to a key

2014-10-03 Thread Mark Bourne
Uwe Brauer wrote: Hello LO has a nice button down right which allows to zoom in and out using the mouse. However I would prefer to bind zoom in to a key and zoom out to another say Crt-+ and Crtl-- but when I go to Customize--View--Zoom in and bound it to say Crtl-+ nothing happens,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL native connector for LibreOffice 4.2 and 4.3 (Linux versions)

2014-10-03 Thread Heinrich Stöllinger
Dan Lewis schrieb: On 10/03/2014 06:07 AM, Heinrich Stöllinger wrote: Alex Thurgood schrieb: Le 03/10/2014 07:27, Alan B a écrit : Hi Alan, I have a database from the US gov't, npidata freely available, with about 3.5 million rows and around 350 columns. Actually the gov't provides a csv.

[libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

2014-10-03 Thread V Stuart Foote
@Charles, *, Tanstaafl wrote Also, I'm confused... Jan-Marek in the bug comment on August 17th - well before the 'Hard code freeze' on September 1st for 4.3.2 (released on Sept 22nd - said that the patch would show up in the daily builds after that. So, I'm not complaining, I'm just

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Base Database] How to open a particular form at startup ?

2014-10-03 Thread Marion Noel Lodge
Hi Dan, Its good to know that Linux users can also use this technique. Regarding opening FMain, neptuneuk shows at the bottom of his post that this is achieved, (when the database initially opens), by clicking on Tools | Customise | Events and setting Open Document to call the macro that opens