[libreoffice-users] Re: [OT] Operating Environment Survey
James Knott schreef op 25-07-15 om 20:54: On 07/25/2015 09:35 AM, Graham P Davis wrote: We only had log tables; standard slide rules weren't allowed as they were too inaccurate. Drifting a bit more OT, ball-point pens weren't allowed either, only fountain pens. To put this in some sort of perspective, I left school in 1962 aged 18. Did they have slide rules way back then? ;-) We used them in physics and electricity electronics classes. To tell you the truth: I still use my slide rule, very easy and useful for calculations that need only to be about 95% accurate with the correct order of magnitude. I even once corrected errors in an Excel spreadsheet with the help of my log tables in 7 decimals from the year 1867. The author promised a Louis d'Or for each error in the tables! Greetings, Erik. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/24/2015 08:25 AM, Stephen Harding wrote: I've had no problem using Writer to create 200+ page documents with over a hundred illustrations, annotated screen shots and drawings, imported from Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw works best) and JPEG photos. Also frequently use tables to show information. The documents have many, many cross references embedded in them and four level table of contents at the beginning. Impressive! :) Peace... The other Tom -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for complex documents. For basic word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer fail at editing or creating complex documents? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and complex documents? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined complex documents but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a complex document. :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a complex document. Thanks! Peace... The other Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/26/2015 04:48 PM, Tom Williams wrote: Well, I think this certainly serves as a great example of a very complex document. :) Which document? * 10,000 images in one document; * 50,000 pages in the outline, with projected length of 5,000,000 pages; * 10 different writing systems in the same document; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [OT] Operating Environment Survey
/On 26/07/2015 14:50, Erik Jan wrote:// / /To tell you the truth: I still use my slide rule, very easy and useful for calculations that need only to be about 95% accurate with the correct order of magnitude. I even once corrected errors in an Excel spreadsheet with the help of my log tables in 7 decimals from the year 1867. The author promised a Louis d'Or for each error in the tables! / In my life at work, (from 60s to early 70s), in Laboratories I used Slide Rules all the time!! I had the 'Standard' type as well as a Circular one but eventually got a Tubular Slide Rule. It was aprox 3 to 4 cm in Diameter and closed up was about 10cm Tall (long), but because of its spiral design was the equivalent to a Standard 55 Slide Rule so very much more accurate. In fact I still have two of these - the Standard one and the Tubular one!! (The Circular one has gone missing over the years.) In one job I had in Bulawayo, (Rhodesia), in the late 60s I had to go down to the factory floor in the late afternoon to look after the production so used to keep all my calculation work for this period. The Production Manager's Desk was elevated over the Production Floor and the African Workers thought that it was a kind of Calculating Microphone I was using that I spoke the calculations into and it gave me the answers!! The floor was very noisy so that could only see me working the Slide Rule and then writing down the answers!!! Only later on did we get the first 'Facit, hand operated Calculating Machine' - you had to work out the position of the decimal point yourself, it just gave you a string of numbers!! Later we got electric ones!!! I believe the mechanics of the original Facit Calculators was developed somewhere in Scandinavia and working it all out drove the Inventor crazy. Having opened one up at one time I can understand why!! Great times!!! I also remember later desperately trying to buy a Four Function Hand Calculator in Sanction Plagued Rhodesia for a ridicules price!! But later got a friend in America to get the first of several 'Texas Instruments' Calculators, (could never get the hang of Reverse Polish Notation as used by HP!!), and sending it to me!!! Hard now to believe all these steps in development isn't it And let's not forget about Visi Calc!! IanW Pretoria RSA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/24/2015 09:56 AM, toki wrote: On 07/24/2015 01:31 PM, Tom Williams wrote: Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and complex documents? I've had as many as 10,000 images in a single document. OOo 2.x didn't balk when I created it. Libo 5.0 beta does have any problems when I edit that document. LibO had no problems with an outline that was 50,000 pages long. (That project is on temporary hold, whilst I verify that GIT backup for LibO works as advertised. My current estimate is that the completed document will be 5,000,000 pages.) I've had as many as 10 different writing systems in one document. LibO does has some issues correctly displaying them, especially when they are intermixed in the same sentence, and a Pan-Unicode font is not being used. (FWIW, when using two or more writing systems that are BiDi, CTL, or CJVK, use a Pan-Unicode font, to minimize display issues.) Well, I think this certainly serves as a great example of a very complex document. :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. If one is not paying attention to what one is doing, when changing page styles, one can unintentionally change the wrong pages to the wrong page style. Understood and I can easily see this happening. I've never created a document like this, but I've imported a couple MS Word documents that had a mixture of landscape and portrait pages and Writer applied one page orientation to the entire document. This has since been fixed. Peace... The other Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/26/2015 05:21 PM, Tom Williams wrote: Certainly, the 10 different writing systems in the same document is something *I* would consider complex, especially since that's not something I've ever seen, done, or even heard of. :) The 50,000 page outline document sounds complex as well, since I imagine that outline would have several levels and not be relatively flat. Four levels of headings. When I wrote my comment, I thought to these two documents were one in the same. :) Whilst there is the possibility that the 50,000 page outline, when completed, will contain material in a dozen different languages, it is not currently at that point. When I complete it, it might be the poster child of complex documents, due to length, number of tables, images, writing systems, languages, indexes, and styles used. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc Paste Special Defaults
Am 25.07.2015 um 23:33 schrieb Stephen R. Blevins: In Calc, the Paste Special Selection options default to Text, Numbers, Date Time. Each time I edit a spreadsheet afresh, I have to remember to change this to Paste All. I find this cumbersome and I might forget. How do I change this to default to Paste All, either for each spreadsheet file, or better, for each system user? TIA Version: 4.4.3.2 Build ID: 40m0(Build:2) Locale: en_US Ctrl+V pastes everything. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
Thank you; and for some good examples. BTW - here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to work with another] To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up photography when BW film became impossible to obtain - to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: This is simply a false statement. It's not compatible. That literally depends upon how compatibility is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. Jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/24/2015 08:05 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for complex documents. For basic word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer fail at editing or creating complex documents? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and complex documents? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined complex documents but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a complex document. :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a complex document. Thanks! Peace... The other Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan Unfortunately, most of the comments I had read were more of a general nature, so details like the ones you raise were left out. I think it could be a combination or mixture of both. Maybe in some cases, actual complexity of documents was being considered and in other cases, the perception that Writer couldn't handle anything other than basic word processing tasks. Peace... The other Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/24/2015 10:45 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 06:31 24/07/2015 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: ... I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for complex documents. For basic word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer fail at editing or creating complex documents? I've submitted an LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. It's worth saying that you are mixing your ideas here. This experience is not about LibreOffice's facility at creating or editing (text) documents with mixed page orientations, but about how it can handle whatever Microsoft Word puts in its proprietary file formats to encode similar structures. That may well matter to you, but it has little to do with how good LibreOffice may be at achieving this particular structure. Yes, the example I cited doesn't reflect on Writer's ability to create or edit documents with mixed page orientations but the behavior I experienced could be easily viewed as Writer not being able to handle some kinds of MS Word documents. This isn't my personal view but a view I've experienced from those I've helped in using Writer. You surely cannot believe that it is at all difficult to create and edit text documents with mixed page orientations in LibreOffice? I haven't personally created a document like this but I wouldn't have thought it would be difficult to do. I would have simply looked up how to do it and do it. :) Peace... The other Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Hourglass/Pause When Scrolling in LO Writer
I'm running Windows 7 Pro on a 5.5 year old Dell XPS 16. Just to put this in context: For years, I continued to use MS Word from Office 2000. Then, it started crashing. I switched to Open Office. Worked for awhile; then it started crashing. Tried a number of fixes, none of which worked. Switched to LO Writer. It doesn't crash, but it constantly gives me an hourglass/pause when I use the vertical bar to move up or down a page. Odd thing is that I never have the problem with spreadsheets; only with word processors. Any ideas what might be causing LO to pause when scrolling? (I should state that these are just text docs, no heavy graphics.) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Hourglass-Pause-When-Scrolling-in-LO-Writer-tp4155487.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Hourglass/Pause When Scrolling in LO Writer
If you're referring to when the computer seems to have a mind of its own takes off scrolling down the page, then this is a problem with these new machines - there is nothing that can be done other than waiting for it to stop; then just get back to where you were start again. BTW - I too grew tired of MSFT's continual crashes ;-) From: DocPit_ tonypi...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:43 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Hourglass/Pause When Scrolling in LO Writer To: users@global.libreoffice.org I'm running Windows 7 Pro on a 5.5 year old Dell XPS 16. Just to put this in context: For years, I continued to use MS Word from Office 2000. Then, it started crashing. I switched to Open Office. Worked for awhile; then it started crashing. Tried a number of fixes, none of which worked. Switched to LO Writer. It doesn't crash, but it constantly gives me an hourglass/pause when I use the vertical bar to move up or down a page. Odd thing is that I never have the problem with spreadsheets; only with word processors. Any ideas what might be causing LO to pause when scrolling? (I should state that these are just text docs, no heavy graphics.) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Hourglass-Pause-When-Scrolling-in-LO-Writer-tp4155487.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/24/2015 08:40 AM, Pablo Dotro wrote: The main complaint I've observed regarding different capabilities in MS Office and LO comes from people that expect both products to work exactly the same. Commonality exist between them, but each one is it's own product, with different design, coding and debugging standards. Yes, I've encountered this as well and I consider each its own product, as you. :) What frustrates me some is people not giving LO a legitimate chance to function as its own suite vs being viewed in the shadow of MS Office. Peace... The other Tom On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for complex documents. For basic word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer fail at editing or creating complex documents? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and complex documents? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined complex documents but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a complex document. :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a complex document. Thanks! Peace... The other Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On 07/26/2015 09:58 AM, toki wrote: On 07/26/2015 04:48 PM, Tom Williams wrote: Well, I think this certainly serves as a great example of a very complex document. :) Which document? * 10,000 images in one document; * 50,000 pages in the outline, with projected length of 5,000,000 pages; * 10 different writing systems in the same document; Certainly, the 10 different writing systems in the same document is something *I* would consider complex, especially since that's not something I've ever seen, done, or even heard of. :) The 50,000 page outline document sounds complex as well, since I imagine that outline would have several levels and not be relatively flat. When I wrote my comment, I thought to these two documents were one in the same. :) Peace.. The other Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc Paste Special Defaults
At Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:55:42 -0700, Brian Baker wrote: ||At 17:33 25/07/2015 -0400, Stephen R. Blevins wrote: ||In Calc, the Paste Special Selection options default to Text, ||Numbers, Date Time. Each time I edit a spreadsheet afresh, I have to ||remember to change this to Paste All. |Why would you use Paste Special... if you wanted to paste all? Well, I |suppose you might want to select something under Options, Operations, |or Shift cells - but not that often, surely? Otherwise, why not use |ordinary Paste (Edit | Paste, right-click | Paste, or Ctrl+V) instead? My usual practice to update the numerical data on my spreadsheets is to copy a template row (properly formatted) and use Paste Special (with Shift Cells set to Down) to insert it into a formula-ranged matrix (such as SUM, or AVG, etc.). Doing so this way causes the formula-derived data to be updated automatically. It is a matter of convenience. It is more convenient to have these Paste Special options automatically default to my preferred practice. It also ensures that embedded formulas get copied, as well (and my template rows have them). Therefore, I humbly request, yet again, How can I customize these Paste Special defaults without having to edit and recompile the Calc source code, or can I? -- Stephen R. Blevins stephen.r.blev...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
Hi :) Apparently the Microsquish definition of compatibility is VERY different, perhaps even the exact opposite. Many people apparently think that Microsquish is the only authority on anything to do with computers so logically that might lead them to suspect all entries in the Oxford Dictionary. Regards from Tom :) On 26 July 2015 at 17:55, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you; and for some good examples. BTW - here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to work with another] To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up photography when BW film became impossible to obtain - to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: This is simply a false statement. It's not compatible. That literally depends upon how compatibility is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. Jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Export HTML links in Calc sheet
Hi, I wonder if anybody can help me I am trying to export a Calc spreadsheet to PDF format and preserve the html links I have in the document. Is this possible? Under Export to PDF - Links I have selected Cross Document Links to Open With Internet Browser however, the links don't seem to get exported?? I have also tried various options of exporting bookmarks and document references but no joy :-( My version of LibreOffice is 4.3.7.2 running on Arch Linux. Currently I have the Hyperlinks set on a few images within the cells, so that when you hover over the images, they tell you to ctrl-click which brings up the web browser with the correct site. What's the best way of getting this converted over to PDF if it isn't possible? Many thanks. Kaya -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: Thank you; and for some good examples. BTW - here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) I call dictionary abuse! dictionaries don't prescribe how words _should_ be interpreted, they describe how words _were_ and _are_ used, the latter badly in the nature of the case since they usually lag behind current. people always get this wrong. and Humpty-Dumpty is close, very close, to the truth: - “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” know what I mean? anyway, sorry for the interruption. f. [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to work with another] To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up photography when BW film became impossible to obtain - to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: This is simply a false statement. It's not compatible. That literally depends upon how compatibility is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. Jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness. -- Samuel Beckett -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Returning to the previous position in a document after reopening [was: Question about LO Writer ...]
At 16:36 26/07/2015 -0600, Jerry Gonly wrote: ... I am using LO to read fiction which is downloaded from the internet to my computer. Reading a long novel (500 pages) and losing your place when closing the book sucks. The work around that I developed was to insert a string of X at the cursor point before closing the novel. Then on reopening the book, having to do a search for the string. Remember there is a simpler way - which does not require modification of the text. To set a bookmark: o Go to Insert | Bookmark... or click the Bookmark button on the Insert toolbar. (You could set a keyboard shortcut for this action if you preferred, of course.) o Name the bookmark. To return to the bookmark, either: o Open the Navigator and double-click the bookmark name. Or (more easily): o Right-click the Page Number area at the left of the Status Bar and click the bookmark name. o Shift+F5 (Restore Editing View) should return to the last editing position - but this won't help for a document that you are merely reading and not modifying, of course. Here's another idea: export your text to PDF and display it in Adobe Reader. There is a Preferences setting in Adobe Reader to Restore last view settings when reopening documents. I suspect this applies only to those documents in the recently used list, but you can also configure how many documents that contains. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Returning to the previous position in a document after reopening [was: Question about LO Writer ...]
On 2015/07/27 12:30, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:36 26/07/2015 -0600, Jerry Gonly wrote: ... I am using LO to read fiction which is downloaded from the internet to my computer. Reading a long novel (500 pages) and losing your place when closing the book sucks. The work around that I developed was to insert a string of X at the cursor point before closing the novel. Then on reopening the book, having to do a search for the string. Remember there is a simpler way - which does not require modification of the text. To set a bookmark: o Go to Insert | Bookmark... or click the Bookmark button on the Insert toolbar. (You could set a keyboard shortcut for this action if you preferred, of course.) o Name the bookmark. To return to the bookmark, either: o Open the Navigator and double-click the bookmark name. Or (more easily): o Right-click the Page Number area at the left of the Status Bar and click the bookmark name. o Shift+F5 (Restore Editing View) should return to the last editing position - but this won't help for a document that you are merely reading and not modifying, of course. Here's another idea: export your text to PDF and display it in Adobe Reader. There is a Preferences setting in Adobe Reader to Restore last view settings when reopening documents. I suspect this applies only to those documents in the recently used list, but you can also configure how many documents that contains. Brian Barker Good afternoon I have been struggling with this for many years too. (and I second the opinion it sucks) Although the offered solutions are OK, they are still clumsy. Many years ago I used to work with WordPerfect. It had a very simple AND convenient function of inserting a quick mark at the cursor position whenever you save a file. And there was a shortcut key to return to this location. So sweat; no naming of bookmarks; no entering strings of characters and doing a search etc. If this was so easy decades ago, I fail to see, why we have to struggle in this hi-tech age with all cumbersome work arounds. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc Paste Special Defaults
At 17:17 26/07/2015 -0400, Stephen R. Blevins wrote: At Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:55:42 -0700, Brian Ba[r]ker wrote: At 17:33 25/07/2015 -0400, Stephen R. Blevins wrote: In Calc, the Paste Special Selection options default to Text, Numbers, Date Time. Each time I edit a spreadsheet afresh, I have to remember to change this to Paste All. Why would you use Paste Special... if you wanted to paste all? Well, I suppose you might want to select something under Options, Operations, or Shift cells - but not that often, surely? Otherwise, why not use ordinary Paste (Edit | Paste, right-click | Paste, or Ctrl+V) instead? My usual practice to update the numerical data on my spreadsheets is to copy a template row (properly formatted) and use Paste Special (with Shift Cells set to Down) to insert it into a formula-ranged matrix (such as SUM, or AVG, etc.). That's exactly the sort of exceptional case I described, of course. Doing so this way causes the formula-derived data to be updated automatically. It is a matter of convenience. It is more convenient to have these Paste Special options automatically default to my preferred practice. It also ensures that embedded formulas get copied, as well (and my template rows have them). But that's not the only way to do this. Therefore, I humbly request, yet again, How can I customize these Paste Special defaults without having to edit and recompile the Calc source code, or can I? If I'd known one, I would have offered it, of course! So my answer (er, yet again?) is that sorry: I don't know of any. Now that I know your real problem, here's the solution: o Select the relevant row - or even just a range of cells. o Drag the selection to its required new location. (You need to drag the cells, not the row headers.) o Hold down the Alt key as you release the mouse to drop the copied material. Note that this will cut your original material instead of copying it and may (depending on exactly where the target cells are in relation to the source cells) shift other material around. If, as I imagine, you will want to retain your template row in its original position, hold down Ctrl+Alt instead as you release the mouse. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents
Anne, If you are not experiencing the problem then you are probably using an older version of LO. This bug has now been fixed in the latest update of LO. Early versions always opened at the point where the cursor was located when the document was saved/closed. That was lost somewhere in version 3.x.x.x but has now been fixed in version 4.4.4.3. I found it annoying because I am using LO to read fiction which is downloaded from the internet to my computer. Reading a long novel (500 pages) and losing your place when closing the book sucks. The work around that I developed was to insert a string of X at the cursor point before closing the novel. Then on reopening the book, having to do a search for the string. But if I forgot, it was back to the beginning and having to search for where I was. Very frustrating, especially when compared to reading on the Kiindle which keeps your place even you have gone on and read 3 or 4 other things and then come back to the it. Jerry At 03:12 PM 7/24/2015, you wrote: I still don't understand that problem of opening at the beginning only; my documents always re-open at the spot where last saved. From: Stephen Harding stephen.hard...@gmx.com Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com, users@global.libreoffice.org I've had no problem using Writer to create 200+ page documents with over a hundred illustrations, annotated screen shots and drawings, imported from Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw works best) and JPEG photos. Also frequently use tables to show information. The documents have many, many cross references embedded in them and four level table of contents at the beginning. My only gripe is when you close a document and then reopen it, it opens at the beginning, not the point where you were working on it. Best wishes, Stephen Harding Freelance author Telephone desk 01256 781557 Telephone mobile 07969 469543 www.shirste.org.uk Skype Shirley_and_Stephen_Harding From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and complex documents On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for complex documents. For basic word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer fail at editing or creating complex documents? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and complex documents? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined complex documents but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a complex document. :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a complex document. Thanks! Peace... The other Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe / Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Hourglass/Pause When Scrolling in LO Writer
This is more analogous to having a document with lots of complex graphics. If you use the vertical scroll bar to move down the page, there sometimes is a lag, again, because of the graphics. However, in this case, there are no graphics to cause a lag. Put another way, we're all familiar with the hourglass and pause that occurs sometimes when any app is saving. This is similar, but it happens when I attempt to scroll down the document. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Hourglass-Pause-When-Scrolling-in-LO-Writer-tp4155487p4155494.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Returning to the previous position in a document after reopening [was: Question about LO Writer ...]
At 12:46 27/07/2015 +0900, Thomas Noname wrote: Although the offered solutions are OK, they are still clumsy. Many years ago I used to work with WordPerfect. It had a very simple AND convenient function of inserting a quick mark at the cursor position whenever you save a file. And there was a shortcut key to return to this location. So sweat; no naming of bookmarks; no entering strings of characters and doing a search etc. If this was so easy decades ago, I fail to see why we have to struggle in this hi-tech age with all cumbersome work arounds. Apparently you don't: I gather WordPerfect is still available. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
