Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 15 Aug 2022 at 19:33, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

From:   Johnny Rosenberg 

Date sent:  Mon, 15 Aug 2022 19:33:15 +0200
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not 
working in the find
dialog box
To: LibreOffice Användare 


> Den mån 15 aug. 2022 kl 13:38 skrev Michael D. Setzer II <
> msetze...@gmail.com>:
> 
> > In Linux that are a number of option using standard
> > commands.
> >
> 
> I think he said he's on Windows, actually.
> 

Yes, but mentioned that there are ways to add both tr and 
sed to windows. I also wrote a little cpp program that 
does the same thing. Compile with linux compiler runs 
with test 9 record file 
linux run 
time ./weird weirdmsg

real0m0.003s
user0m0.001s
sys 0m0.001s
windows run
time ./weird.exe weirdmsg

real0m0.236s
user0m0.042s
sys 0m0.097s

compiled with a native windows cpp compiler and run 
with windows versus via wine might be close in time.

Said his file has 3,500 records so running with that would 
give a better comparison.


> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Johnny Rosenberg
> 
> 
> > First would be sed
> > sed 's/ \[/\t/g;s/\]/\t /g'  >
> > fix-in contains
> > test [ sjflsdkf] [ jflsjflsf ]
> >
> > output is:
> > test sjflsdkfjflsjflsf
> >
> > or
> >
> > sed 's/\] \[/\t/g;s/\[/\t/g;s/\]/\t/g'  > that would change ] [ to a single tab, and then single [ or
> > ] to \t.
> >
> > Another option would be tr command.
> > tr ']' '\t'  >
> > There are generally windows versions of both sed and tr,
> > but would have to look.
> >
> > Another option would be a simple cpp program to
> > preprocess data.
> >
> > If you send a real copy of data, could look at writing a
> > program. Another user had a file that had 8884 lines of
> > data for a month of data, and wrote a program to filter to
> > one line for each day, with the max values for 24 fields.
> >
> > Well good luck.
> >
> >
> > On 15 Aug 2022 at 16:04, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
> >
> > Date sent:  Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:04:44 +0900
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > From:   Thomas Blasejewicz 
> > Subject:[libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not
> > working in the find dialog box
> >
> > > Good afternoon from Japan
> > > Actually, I have asked about this in 2018 and a number of things were
> > > suggested.
> > > Unfortunately none did solve the problem.
> > > Problem:
> > > I have a long file with about 3,500 lines (each line = item) looking
> > like:
> > > HKES [] /(n) xx/
> > >
> > > where I would like to replace the "space[" and "]space" with tabs
> > > so that I can import the file into Calc.
> > >
> > > However, working with Japanese Windows 10, Japanese keyboard etc.
> > > NOTHING I tried so far
> > > allowed me to enter a \t (=> THIS is supposed to be a backslash) as a
> > > regular expression, telling
> > > the computer to replace the space[ with a tab.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > > Is there a trick telling the computer to replace any key sequence with a
> > > tab?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Thomas,

and another try:
In the 'Find' field call the context menu. That is a right click or 
Context-menu key on the key board. Choose 'Special Character'. The 
Reverse Solidus is at code point U+5c. That is is group "Basic Latin".


I don't know whether a Japanese LibreOffice has a shortcut for the 
'Special Character' dialog. In an English LibreOffice it would be 
'Ctrl+Shift+S'.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Blasejewicz schrieb am 15.08.2022 um 17:02:

On 2022/08/15 19:07, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Thomas,

additions:

Are you sure \ is not on your keyboard? If I switch to a Japanese 
keyboard layout, I see a \ as left most key in the lower row and as 
right most key in the middle row.


You can install an additional language in Windows and then you can 
switch the keyboard layout.


Kind regards
Regina


Good evening
and I thank everybody for their help.
Summary:
* Yes, my KB does have a backslash. But pressing it (no matter what KB 
layout it use) ALWAYS produces a \. They are supposed to be identical. > * I thought about inserting a backslash via symbols, but that alsow

produces a \; in the Find dialog it does not work.


You mean, your get a \ in a text document, but copy it to the 
'Find' or to the 'Replace' field does not work?



* Neither does copying the "tab portion" from any piece of text.


That cannot work. You need to use \t in the 'Replace' field.


* I do not use Linux, so those commands do not help me.
* This operation apparently does not work in a text editor either.
* I thought about replacing "space[" with something like "spacekk" (with 
or without the space). THAT does not work either.

* I just tried to find simply "[" (without the quotes).
* Unchecking "Regular expressions" DOES find the brackets, but then 
inserts "\t[" (where the \ is a backslash). But that is not what I want 
.. and not helpful.


Does this really have to be so difficult?


I have no problem with the Find dialog.

Please try to use the English UI of Windows. Outside of LibreOffice go 
to Settings > Time and Language > Language.
If you not have done it already install "English (United States)". 
Restart Windows.
Again in Settings > Time and Language > Language in the field "Windows 
display language" select "English (Unites States)". Restart Windows.

Now try again the Find dialog in LibreOffice.

To replace a space followed by [ with a tab you need, with 'Regular 
Expression' checked, in the 'Find' field (before the \ is a space):


 \u005b

and in the 'Replace' field
\t

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Den mån 15 aug. 2022 kl 13:38 skrev Michael D. Setzer II <
msetze...@gmail.com>:

> In Linux that are a number of option using standard
> commands.
>

I think he said he's on Windows, actually.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg


> First would be sed
> sed 's/ \[/\t/g;s/\]/\t /g' 
> fix-in contains
> test [ sjflsdkf] [ jflsjflsf ]
>
> output is:
> test sjflsdkfjflsjflsf
>
> or
>
> sed 's/\] \[/\t/g;s/\[/\t/g;s/\]/\t/g'  that would change ] [ to a single tab, and then single [ or
> ] to \t.
>
> Another option would be tr command.
> tr ']' '\t' 
> There are generally windows versions of both sed and tr,
> but would have to look.
>
> Another option would be a simple cpp program to
> preprocess data.
>
> If you send a real copy of data, could look at writing a
> program. Another user had a file that had 8884 lines of
> data for a month of data, and wrote a program to filter to
> one line for each day, with the max values for 24 fields.
>
> Well good luck.
>
>
> On 15 Aug 2022 at 16:04, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
>
> Date sent:  Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:04:44 +0900
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> From:   Thomas Blasejewicz 
> Subject:[libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not
> working in the find dialog box
>
> > Good afternoon from Japan
> > Actually, I have asked about this in 2018 and a number of things were
> > suggested.
> > Unfortunately none did solve the problem.
> > Problem:
> > I have a long file with about 3,500 lines (each line = item) looking
> like:
> > HKES [] /(n) xx/
> >
> > where I would like to replace the "space[" and "]space" with tabs
> > so that I can import the file into Calc.
> >
> > However, working with Japanese Windows 10, Japanese keyboard etc.
> > NOTHING I tried so far
> > allowed me to enter a \t (=> THIS is supposed to be a backslash) as a
> > regular expression, telling
> > the computer to replace the space[ with a tab.
> >
> > Question:
> > Is there a trick telling the computer to replace any key sequence with a
> > tab?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Nlomrb Gmail
This sounds like a problem with the Windows 10 Japanese keyboard.  Have you 
complained to Microsoft?  Perhaps they will fix the problem.  The best that 
this group could do is give you a workaround.   

Rose Byrne 

Sent from my new iPad

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:20 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz  wrote:
> 
> On 2022/08/15 19:07, Regina Henschel wrote:
>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> additions:
>> 
>> Are you sure \ is not on your keyboard? If I switch to a Japanese keyboard 
>> layout, I see a \ as left most key in the lower row and as right most key in 
>> the middle row.
>> 
>> You can install an additional language in Windows and then you can switch 
>> the keyboard layout.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Regina
>> 
> Good evening
> and I thank everybody for their help.
> Summary:
> * Yes, my KB does have a backslash. But pressing it (no matter what KB layout 
> it use) ALWAYS produces a \. They are supposed to be identical.
> * I thought about inserting a backslash via symbols, but that alsow produces 
> a \; in the Find dialog it does not work.
> * Neither does copying the "tab portion" from any piece of text.
> * I do not use Linux, so those commands do not help me.
> * This operation apparently does not work in a text editor either.
> * I thought about replacing "space[" with something like "spacekk" (with or 
> without the space). THAT does not work either.
> * I just tried to find simply "[" (without the quotes).
> * Unchecking "Regular expressions" DOES find the brackets, but then inserts 
> "\t[" (where the \ is a backslash). But that is not what I want .. and not 
> helpful.
> 
> Does this really have to be so difficult?
> In the hope, there IS a way to accomplish this.
> Thank you.
> Thomas
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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Thomas Blasejewicz

On 2022/08/15 19:07, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Thomas,

additions:

Are you sure \ is not on your keyboard? If I switch to a Japanese 
keyboard layout, I see a \ as left most key in the lower row and as 
right most key in the middle row.


You can install an additional language in Windows and then you can 
switch the keyboard layout.


Kind regards
Regina


Good evening
and I thank everybody for their help.
Summary:
* Yes, my KB does have a backslash. But pressing it (no matter what KB 
layout it use) ALWAYS produces a \. They are supposed to be identical.
* I thought about inserting a backslash via symbols, but that alsow 
produces a \; in the Find dialog it does not work.

* Neither does copying the "tab portion" from any piece of text.
* I do not use Linux, so those commands do not help me.
* This operation apparently does not work in a text editor either.
* I thought about replacing "space[" with something like "spacekk" (with 
or without the space). THAT does not work either.

* I just tried to find simply "[" (without the quotes).
* Unchecking "Regular expressions" DOES find the brackets, but then 
inserts "\t[" (where the \ is a backslash). But that is not what I want 
.. and not helpful.


Does this really have to be so difficult?
In the hope, there IS a way to accomplish this.
Thank you.
Thomas

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Relatively new behavior (in 7.2.7)

2022-08-15 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Okay, I did the same mistake again and sent my reply to the OP rather than
to the list. Once again sorry for that.
Now I intend to reply again, see below.

Den mån 15 aug. 2022 kl 00:01 skrev MR ZenWiz :

> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:14 AM Johnny Rosenberg 
> wrote:
> >
> > Den sön 14 aug. 2022 kl 03:47 skrev MR ZenWiz :
> >>
> >> I've noticed recently that the way the Find (Edit->Find or ^F) feature
> >> works in LO 7.2.7 is different - it treats the Find panel as a
> >> separate window
> > Exactly what do you mean by that?
>
> The main problem I noticed is that, when I find a target and click
> over to modify it, I can't dismiss the Find panel without clickinginto
> it again or clicking the red circle x on the left end.


Ctrl+f Esc works for me (first Ctrl+f to get back inside the Find toolbox,
then Esc to close it). I guess it takes a while to get used to, but at
least you don't have to touch the mouse.



>  only
> works if it is the first thing I type after the find ( aor series of
> finds using  to go from one to the next).
>

It seems like Esc only works if the search field is selected, so that might
be a bug (or maybe there is another way to close the Find toolbox). A
workaround for that seems to be to hit Esc Ctrl+f Esc, so maybe a bit
annoying. It seems like I'm also able to backtab (Shift+⇥) to the search
field and then hit Esc to close it.

>
>
> >> without actually giving you a separate window, and
> >> won't let you do something else, like exit the search, without
> >> dismissing the panel.
> > The Esc key works for me in LibreOffice 7.2.7.2. Then Ctrl+f again to go
> back to the search field. The panel is present all the time, if you with
> ”panel” are referring to the tool bar that becomes visible when hitting
> Ctrl+f in the first place.
>
> IIRC,  does dismiss the panel at the bottom of the LO window, and
> yes, ^F works to reissue the find.
>
> >> It does allow an escape to dismiss the panel IFF the focus is still in
> >> the panel and I'm not trying to do something outside the panel or have
> >> already typed .
> > Yes? And what does it not allow?
> See above.
>
> >> Am I alone in detesting this new "feature?" Am I wrong in seeing this
> as new?
> > I like the old Find better, but I can't really see your the problem with
> this one. Exactly what is it that you want to do that you can't do with the
> current one? Sorry if I'm slow…
> Again, see above. I like the old behavior much better - more
> intuitively obvious, to say the least.
>
> >> It makes getting out of the search more difficult than it used to be,
> > I can't remember that it was easier then hitting the Esc key in the
> older versions.
>
> Not so much easier as more obvious. Th epanel at the bottom of the
> window is lss obtrusive and, thus, less obvious.
>

I guess there are pros and cons there and in the end a matter of taste.
Generally I personally prefer speed over ”user friendliness”, because you
are only a beginner for a short amount of time. The rest of the time you
want to do things quickly. However, in this case I guess the old Find was
just as quick as the new one.

>> without the (previous) actual sub-window that makes it clear (and easy
> >> to dismiss) that I am not in the same place as outside the search.
> > I agree that the old find was better, but maybe a little redundant since
> it was almost identical to Find & Replace (Ctrl+h).
> > The main thing I don't like with the current Find is that there are too
> few options. For instance I can't make it search whole words. If I need to
> do that, I have to use Find & Replace instead.
> >
> Agreed 100% - way too few options.
>
> >> I use Word now for my book writing (because LO is still not even close
> to 100% compatible).
> > Compatible with what? Some file format or what?
>
> The horrid but almost universally used .docx format. Even using Word
> for editing my documents, the LO versions look and behave slightly
> differently,


Improving for every new version though, as far as I know (I'm not using
that format myself, except at work).


> and converting them from .odt to .docx was a gruelling
> effort - I wrote a book in LO that is 355 pages long, and converting
> it to Word .docx format took me over a day to get right,and they don't
> match. If I edit it with LO again, Word doesn't read it right.


Yes, as far as I know the OOXML ISO format is not easy to implement for
third party developers, and I guess the Microsoft people are very happy
with that.


> I
> wouldn't care, except that .odt is not universally recognized or
> accepted by publishers, even Amazon, whereas .docx is.
>

That's the crazy thing, I think. I don't know anything about publishing,
but are publishers supposed to edit the files? If not, they should only
accept PDF, shouldn't they? But as I said, I guess I have no clue.


>
> >> However, for almost all my spreadsheets and other writing, I prefer LO
> because I'm used to it.
> > Me too, but mainly because I like it much better than every 

Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
Not sure if the utf-8 characters will go thru with this, but hopefully it does 
get 
thru in some fashion.

On 15 Aug 2022 at 16:04, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

Date sent:  Mon, 15 Aug 2022 16:04:44 +0900
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
From:   Thomas Blasejewicz 
Subject:[libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in 
the find 
dialog box

> Good afternoon from Japan
> Actually, I have asked about this in 2018 and a number of things were 
> suggested.
> Unfortunately none did solve the problem.
> Problem:
> I have a long file with about 3,500 lines (each line = item) looking like:
> HKES     [] /(n) xx/
> 
> where I would like to replace the "space[" and "]space" with tabs
> so that I can import the file into Calc.
> 
> However, working with Japanese Windows 10, Japanese keyboard etc. 
> NOTHING I tried so far
> allowed me to enter a \t (=> THIS is supposed to be a backslash) as a 
> regular expression, telling
> the computer to replace the space[ with a tab.
> 
> Question:
> Is there a trick telling the computer to replace any key sequence with a 
> tab?
> 
> Thank you.
> 

In looking at one line you gave. Have a program findnoascii to find utf-8 code 
and 
this is what I get.
line as I pulled from email (seems utf-8 character don't show with standard 
font).
HKES     [] /(n) xx/   

Results from my nofindascii 
 1  4 c2a0   [ ]
 1  6 c2a0   [ ]
 1  8 c2a0   [ ]
 1 11 e889af []
 1 14 e79fa5 []
 1 17 e889af []
 1 20 e883bd []
 1 25 e3828a []
 1 28 e38287 []
 1 31 e38186 []
 1 34 e381a1 []
 1 37 e3828a []
 1 40 e38287 []
 1 43 e38186 []
 1 46 e381ae []
 1 49 e38186 []

  3 c2a0   [ ]  NO-BREAK SPACE (U+00A0) 
  3 e38186 []   HIRAGANA LETTER U (U+3046) 
  1 e381a1 []   HIRAGANA LETTER TI (U+3061) 
  1 e381ae []   HIRAGANA LETTER NO (U+306E) 
  2 e38287 []   HIRAGANA LETTER SMALL YO (U+3087) 
  2 e3828a []   HIRAGANA LETTER RI (U+308A) 
  1 e79fa5 []   know, perceive, comprehend (U+77E5) 
  1 e883bd []   "to be able; can, permitted to; ability (U+80FD) "
  2 e889af []   good, virtuous, respectable (U+826F) 

using tr '[' '\t' weirdmsg.csv
get file that can be loaded in libreoffice weirdmsg.csv
Might want to change no-break spaces to a tab as well?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
In Linux that are a number of option using standard 
commands.
First would be sed
sed 's/ \[/\t/g;s/\]/\t /g' 
Subject:[libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not 
working in the find dialog box

> Good afternoon from Japan
> Actually, I have asked about this in 2018 and a number of things were 
> suggested.
> Unfortunately none did solve the problem.
> Problem:
> I have a long file with about 3,500 lines (each line = item) looking like:
> HKES     [] /(n) xx/
> 
> where I would like to replace the "space[" and "]space" with tabs
> so that I can import the file into Calc.
> 
> However, working with Japanese Windows 10, Japanese keyboard etc. 
> NOTHING I tried so far
> allowed me to enter a \t (=> THIS is supposed to be a backslash) as a 
> regular expression, telling
> the computer to replace the space[ with a tab.
> 
> Question:
> Is there a trick telling the computer to replace any key sequence with a 
> tab?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Thomas,

additions:

Are you sure \ is not on your keyboard? If I switch to a Japanese 
keyboard layout, I see a \ as left most key in the lower row and as 
right most key in the middle row.


You can install an additional language in Windows and then you can 
switch the keyboard layout.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Blasejewicz schrieb am 15.08.2022 um 09:04:

Good afternoon from Japan
Actually, I have asked about this in 2018 and a number of things were 
suggested.

Unfortunately none did solve the problem.
Problem:
I have a long file with about 3,500 lines (each line = item) looking like:
HKES    良知良能 [りょうちりょうのう] /(n) xx/

where I would like to replace the "space[" and "]space" with tabs
so that I can import the file into Calc.

However, working with Japanese Windows 10, Japanese keyboard etc. 
NOTHING I tried so far
allowed me to enter a \t (=> THIS is supposed to be a backslash) as a 
regular expression, telling

the computer to replace the space[ with a tab.

Question:
Is there a trick telling the computer to replace any key sequence with a 
tab?


Because [ and ] are part of the syntax of a regular expression, you need 
to use \u005b and \u005d instead.
If the \ is not available on your keyboard, you can insert it in a text 
document in Writer by using the character map. It is at decimal 92. Then 
bring it to the dialog via copy


Kind regards
Regina



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[libreoffice-users] "reverse solidus" not working in the find dialog box

2022-08-15 Thread Thomas Blasejewicz

Good afternoon from Japan
Actually, I have asked about this in 2018 and a number of things were 
suggested.

Unfortunately none did solve the problem.
Problem:
I have a long file with about 3,500 lines (each line = item) looking like:
HKES    良知良能 [りょうちりょうのう] /(n) xx/

where I would like to replace the "space[" and "]space" with tabs
so that I can import the file into Calc.

However, working with Japanese Windows 10, Japanese keyboard etc. 
NOTHING I tried so far
allowed me to enter a \t (=> THIS is supposed to be a backslash) as a 
regular expression, telling

the computer to replace the space[ with a tab.

Question:
Is there a trick telling the computer to replace any key sequence with a 
tab?


Thank you.


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