Brian Barker wrote:
I would suggest that two spaces are probably useful with fixed-pitch
text as on a typewriter
A wider space between sentences is useful, no matter how the text is
created. It clearly defines the beginning and end of a sentence and is
easier on the eyes.
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Any chance of passing this on to the marketing list?
Feel free.
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Michael wrote:
1) Although the article was difficult to read, I think it would have
been easier on the eyes (mine, anyway) if there was more space between
the sentences.
This is my point exactly. When there's extra space between sentences,
it's a lot easier to isolate the sentence from the
Virgil Arrington wrote:
Just curious, since nearly every professionally published book since
the mid-1900s has had one space after sentence ending punctuation, do
you find reading books difficult?
I just picked up the closest book I had at hand. It's Computer
Networks, by Andrew Tanenbaum
Ken Springer wrote:
So there must be a general happy medium here, which I always thought
was the em-space.
And that goes back to my earlier comment about en and em quads in hand
set type. A slightly wider space makes it easier to read, because of
the way we recognize objects.
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James Knott wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
So there must be a general happy medium here, which I always thought
was the em-space.
And that goes back to my earlier comment about en and em quads in hand
set type. A slightly wider space makes it easier to read, because of
the way we recognize
Brian Barker wrote:
Rejoice! This is how all word processors should work. Countable
spaces exist only in Typewriterland. With proper type faces, the
space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever is
required to range across a line. The spacebar no longer represents an
Virgil Arrington wrote:
The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences
with proportionally spaced fonts.
In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different
width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used.
Typically, an en quad was used
Ruth Ann wrote:
I remember reading several years ago that the double spaces are no
longer needed because the software knows to adjust the spacing. So I
would say that with the modern text editors, the proper procedure
would be to just use a single space and let the software handle the
Tom Davies wrote:
I think current fashion is to use a single space to make it less obvious
where a new sentence begins and thus mke it marginally more difficult to
read. I still tend to use 2 spaces. Doubtless, fashion will change back to
the way youi learned, or maybe go to a new
Miss Keating wrote:
No letterpress compositor would employ an en quad as an interword
space, except possibly when justifying.
A standard job case contains, along with the various quads, typemetal
spaces in 3 sizes: 3-to-the-em, 4-to-the-em,
and 5-to-the-em. There are also thin spaces, not
Andrew Brown wrote:
on in language standards, especially as we are referring to here, the
English language.
Nothing to do with just HTML, a computer born programming language and
not a literary language. The single space IS universally accepted as
the norm for correct spacing in whatever
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
And have they taken out the bug (cough cough)
I thought that was a feature. At least it is if you listen to MS. ;-)
BTW, don't forget about them making that year 1900 Excel bug an ISO
standard.
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Tom Davies wrote:
Yes, that problem was only in 2010 and 2007 and was due to their pathetic
attempts to use the older ODT (well specifically ods) format that no-one else
was using much at that time because we had all moved on to the newer version.
Their 2013 and 365 uses the newer format
Tom Davies wrote:
Some could view it as a marketing ploy to push people into using their
format. i can image the calls telling users they need to avoid 3rd
party formats as though 3rd party is somehow dodgy rather than just
meaning that MS can't manage to write code to support their own
Steve Edmonds wrote:
One thing to bear in mind is the ODF formats were derived from the
original StarOffice formats and spreadsheets in that format worked fine
in StarOffice, and later OpenOffice, for years.
In fact until LO 4+ when they were dropped.
Can they still be read? IIRC, OO 1.3
Pedro wrote:
The problem with ODF is that only LibreOffice and OpenOffice use it... So
Actually, MS Office does now too, as does KWrite. There is also an ODF
viewer for Android.
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I didn't think it was possible to install just 2 or 3 of the modules.
I haven't checked recently, but for years, with OpenOffice, it has been
an option, though it didn't save much disk space.
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Tom Davies wrote:
Was that just on GnuLinux (and presumably Bsd) or on Windows too?
Both, IIRC, but I've never installed just part of it.
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Hi :)
Annoyingly in my email 'client' the address
users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
is shown looking like
unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org
is the email address and the users+ as being some strange extra bit that is
not really part of the address. I'm
Urmas wrote:
According to http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey, Windows 8 is
working on 14% of computers.
It's more than 10 times Linux marketshare.
Lessee now. I have 5 computers here. Only one has Windows on it and it
spends most of it's time running Linux. I have a tablet and a smart
Urmas wrote:
It is much more better than an ODF, which documents nothing, and
depends on a reference implementation from a single vendor, Sun.
Year 1900 being a leap one is a universal convention which predates
Excel for several years.
What planet are you living on? ODF documents are
Urmas wrote:
So the open document standards were
born and ratified and accpeted by the majority of the world that counts.
Microsoft is using an open standard format called OpenXML. Stop
pushing your vendor-locked ODF crap here please.
You may want to read up a bit on OpenXML and how it was
Urmas wrote:
Another major reason are huge bribes given to government officials to
deploy {Libre|Open}Office solutions in budget-funding institutions
worldwide.
Actually, if you care to check the facts, it's Microsoft that's been
doing that.
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Tom Davies wrote:
Netbooks died off for 1 reason only. That was because people wanted Windows
on them
Actually, there was a bit of MS strong arming manufacturers as well. I
have an Asus Eee PC, which I loaned to a friend. She loves it, even
though her computer experience had previously been
Andrew Brown wrote:
yes where MS currently dominates, but not for long.
Of course one also has to look at why MS dominates. The reasons include
strong arming and extortion. MS has long been an unethical company,
going back to when Bill Gates and Paul Allen developed a BASIC
interpreter for the
Joe Lee wrote:
If I recall correctly, Google Hangout requires nonfree software, so
let's use IRC instead, or perhaps Jitsi or Ekiga if we can all get one
of those working?
No. It just requires a browser and a GMail account. You can even use a
tablet or smart phone with appropriate free app.
Andrew Brown wrote:
AMD has claim to the first launched 64bit processors and systems
Actually, I believe both the PowerPC and DEC Alpha were earlier. AMD had
the first that was compatible with the Intel x86 line.
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James Knott wrote:
Actually, I believe both the PowerPC and DEC Alpha were earlier.
I think the Intel Itanium also predated the AMD.
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Tom Davies wrote:
My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit
version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java
although even 1 might well be more than you need now.
The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice
Andrew Brown wrote:
Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux
Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also
work well?
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Paul wrote:
Technically, the x86 indicates the architecture, the 64 indicates the
instruction set width. So x86_64 is a 64 bit chip, and the x86_32 is a
32 bit chip.
I thought 32 bit CPUs were referred to as i586..
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Helen wrote:
The publisher emails to say that all the documents have weird formatting and
strange characters.
I thought recent version of Word used the new WTF format. ;-)
Actually, I just checked LibreOffice on openSUSE and saw there is an RTF
option. Check again.
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wsadm...@hep-tech.com.tw wrote:
Hi All!
Libreoffice will the development of mail client?
Foxmail isn't open source.
Many people use Thunderbird.
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Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
This is a little confusing to me. You mention LibreOffice and Apache
OpenOffice for Android, but as far as I know there is no Apache
OpenOffice for Android, so I guess you are talking about LibreOffice
all the time, right?
I can't find either.
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Loren wrote:
Hi I just got a new dell computer and need office type program, looking into
this libreoffice my question I have my files saved to external harddrive is
this the program that will allow me pull files off of th eexternal hardrive
(Word, Spreadsheet, etc) or is libre th eprogram
lilychen wrote:
Do you think that one Android TV stick can help make a TV set as a PC monitor?
By which,you can do everything as you use your PC.
What is it you're trying to do? Many TVs can already be used as a
monitor. I have two HDTVs and both have VGA connectors. Also DVI or HDMI
There has been some discussion about creating EPUB e-books from
OpenOffice and LibreOffice. One method I recently came across is to use
Sigil to create the EPUB from HTML. OpenOffice and LibreOffice can save
in HTML format, which can then be used as a source for this application.
Kieran Peckett wrote:
For
example, you will only receive one of this message, even though the list is
in the Cc.
Actually, I received 2 copies. One from the list and one from you.
What's worse is I generally respond to the first one I read, which is
usually the direct copy. This means I am
Tom Davies wrote:
So torrenting is faster because it automatically chooses all the fastest places
to download from and spreads the load between them. If one slows down it
automatically switches to using others.
The problem is that many of us pay for bandwidth used or have caps.
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D.R. wrote:
Hello
Is it possible for a document to be converted to PDF format?
Yes, you can export directly from Writer to PDF. There's an icon you
can click on for a quick export or click on FileExport as PDF for more
options.
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Mark LaPierre wrote:
Hey All,
I get a 404 error from the libre office download server. I've tried
from two different Win XP machines and from my CentOS machine. All
are running Fire Fox.
I tried to download the Win version and the linux version. Both just
got me a 404 error.
Is anyone
Carol Bamrick wrote:
I have been running the Libra Office Suite 3.3 and my startup file is gone.
I would like to download the latest Libra Suite, my question is will the new Suite be
compatible with my old Libre files?
Yes, it will be compatible. LibreOffice 4.0 is available from
Sean O'Connell wrote:
I am just first testing to see if this email will reach you so that i can
ask for help in libreoffice
Sorry, didn't see it. ;-)
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Milos Sramek wrote:
MS support of ODF
will probably never be perfect.
Sun had an ODF plugin for MS Office. I'd bet it works better than what
MS provides. It's also the only option for older Office versions.
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Tom Davies wrote:
Hi:)
Most newer versions of MS Office have ODF support built-in. Unfortunately it's
only the 2013 and 365 that use the same version of ODF as everyone else. 2007
and 2010 use the old 1.1 which is not great for spreadsheets!
Regards from
Tom:)
It's been a while since
anne-ology wrote:
Just one question: haven't you already made 2 others moderators for
this list? -
how many are needed or does each do some specific job?
Everything in moderation, including moderation. ;-)
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OOXML is not fully open and not fully defined due to proprietary
format information that is included with it [as far as I have been told].
Lots of info on this at Groklaw:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20051216153153504
lordmax tdf wrote:
what is iPot?
Please tell us.
Maybe Apple is getting into cooking utensils. ;-)
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Dries Feys wrote:
This is way of topic, but as there are many linux adepts over
here, I wonder what software you use to rip cd's to mp3. (or ogg
vorbis, but I prefer mp3 as that's supported on more hardware than
ogg)
I use K3b, which comes with the KDE desktop. I can write both mp3 and
Ken Springer wrote:
I'm asking this for a friend...
Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open
Office, much like MS Outlook works with MS Office?
I use Lightning with Thunderbird and Seamonkey. I sync it to Google
Calendar, so that I can have the same calendar on
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
To be honest, you might really find it better to break the document up
by sections of no more than 50 pages or so, if possible.
Isn't that the purpose of master documents?
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Tom wrote:
Hi :)
I thought that was what Math was for? For simple equations as quoted it
might seem strange to have a separate app to do that sort of thing but most
people really don't need extra weight in Writer to do something they never
do anyway. It might be nice if it could handle simple
:39, James Knott wrote:
I have both LibreOffice and OpenOffice on my computers. One thing
I've noticed is that documents don't always appear the same in them.
For example, I have one document which is a table in landscape mode
in LO, but appears in portrait mode in OO. Is this a problem
Tom Davies wrote:
So, really you have always been using LibreOffice just that it was really Go-oo
before and loosely called OpenOffice.org just to avoid confusing the outside
world with so many different forks and names.
That still leaves the question of why two different, though related,
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
If so, this is the first I've heard of it.
I have just downloaded some MSO Publisher templates. LO Draw does
load them, but on my Linux system, .pub file are not associated to
Draw. I tested them out on 4.0.1 64-bit Deb install.
It is not perfect, but I
I have both LibreOffice and OpenOffice on my computers. One thing I've
noticed is that documents don't always appear the same in them. For
example, I have one document which is a table in landscape mode in LO,
but appears in portrait mode in OO. Is this a problem with Open
Document Formats?
Marc Paré wrote:
and will also move her Publisher files, which was great news to her too!
LO doesn't work with Publisher files.
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Tom Davies wrote:
Hi:)
I thought Publisher compatibility was added in 4.0.0?
Regards from
Tom:)
If so, this is the first I've heard of it.
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Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
Good evening everybody
It's morning. ;-)
I am trying to make something available through Kindle.
For some reason Amazon recommends preparing the original document as
.doc or .docx file
and in a final step:
save as - Filtered html document
(in order to remove MS
I recently came across this. It works with both OpenOffice and
LibreOffice, though for some reason not with OO on Linux.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smbit/connect-libreoffice-with-your-google-docs-account-by-using-ooo2gd/892?tag=nl.e011s_cid=e011ttag=e011
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Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
Just covert them entire user interface framework of a massive
application to another platform.
Well, there's the morning shot. ;-)
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Android, Blackberry, Chrome and others are GnuLinux.
And iPhones are BSD Unix. Are there an current smart phones that aren't
Linux/Unix based, other than Windows phones? Even at least one of the
old Nokia OSs was Linux based.
Regardless, my understanding of that rumour
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.
It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move to it.
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On 02/21/2013 12:11 PM, James Knott wrote:
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.
It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move
to it.
Economicsis the key. We do have most things
Tom Davies wrote:
Even NASA use feet and inches.
You may recall a Mars mission that failed as it approached Mars due to
unit conversion error. There was also an Air Canada plane that ran out
of fuel mid flight, again due to conversion error.
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Tom Davies wrote:
Hi:)
I thought the plane one was due to switching to using Windows which ran
auto-updates in mid-flight and then forced a reboot (switching off and then
switching on again). (ie an urban myth)
Regards from
Tom:)
Read up on the Gimli Glider. It actually happened.
Tanstaafl wrote:
Opinions are...
Reagan was a stick in the mud conservative who didn't want change.
Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of
the world.
Economics meant it would have cost the govt a TON of money to change
over.
Arguments can be made for
Virgil Arrington wrote:
I'm old enough to remember the push back in the '70s to move to the
metric system in America. At the time, it made a lot of sense to me
simply because everything metric is in multiples of 10. But, I think
the biggest bugaboo for Americans was that we just couldn't get the
Brian Barker wrote:
(And anyway, if you are estimating, a metre *is* a yard!)
Or more closely, 40 or precisely 39.37.
BTW, the official definition of a foot is now 30.48 cm.
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Brian Barker wrote:
Or more closely, 40 or precisely 39.37.
Sorry, but you have delusions of precision.
You mean you can't eyeball 39.37 cm? ;-)
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Brian Barker wrote:
I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of
software.
Page Up Page Down go back to the days of dumb terminals connected to a
mainframe or minicomputer and a page referred to a full screen of data.
Back in the late '70s early '80s I used to
IBBoard wrote:
Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox severs
then any of the Dropbox staff/could/ read it. Or it could be copied or
otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked
as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be
Tom Davies wrote:
Hi:)
Yes. With regards to paragraph 1 with the amendment that i think you mean MSO
2010 rather than the non-existent MSO 2012. There is a version for Mac called
2011 but that is really just 2010 redone for Mac and it takes them about a year
to do that. MSO just doesn't
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
Why do you want both Personaladdress book and Collected ones? I would
say that Thunderbird wanted them to be different so you, the user, can
choose which address you collected by returning theemail that would
go in your personally used address book. MOST of the
George R. Crossman wrote:
I'm seeing warnings saying that one should disable embedded Java to
avoid hacking. Does this apply to linux users? If so, what is the
procedure?
I wondered about that too. It might be an issue with the Oracle Java,
but I'm using OpenJDK.
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Jay Lozier wrote:
Yes, all OS's are affected because Java is cross platform. I am not
sure if any of the previous version are affected or if only the
current release is affected.
The primary concern is Java applets run by your browser. The
vulnerability allows a zero-day browser exploit that
Tom Davies wrote:
OpenJDK is also owned by Oracle. (it shocked me when i found that out too! lol)
It tends to be a lot less likely to run into problems because the strong
community involved seems to take the edge off it a lot but ultimately it is
still owned by Oracle. Many such community
Marco wrote:
I installed a protable version of LOo on 2 diffrent pc(windows). So I need
to rebuild the asscociation...
It will take me lots of time if I associate it one by one..
Could someone tell me an easy way to do that?
thx a lot.:)
Why would you install the portable version on a PC?
Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Many work places block people from having SuperUser permissions on
Windows machines.
Regards from
Tom :)
In that case it wouldn't make any difference which version was
installed. Without admin rights, neither could be installed. In that
case, the portable version
Don Myers wrote:
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it
comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than
what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was
something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay
Microsoft
Carl Paulsen wrote:
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's
not political IMHO.
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20121119172623282
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Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available,
they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they
forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including
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Tom Davies wrote:
Apparently the 4Gb Ram limit is a limit of the OS, not the apps. If the OS can read/write to
more ram then i don't think the apps would be restricted. Apparently OSes that are 32bit
could read more Ram with a different kernel module. With GnuLinux it's possible to
swap-in
Mas wrote:
I believe someone else mention this on the
thread, its not new and unix/linux has been using it.
Yes, there was a 64 bit version of Linux running on the DEC Alpha,
followed shortly by the IBM PowerPC around 1994 - 1995.
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rost52 wrote:
How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the
percentage of win64 users in the LibO community?
I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one
computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been
64 bit versions of
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I do not have any software to create a checksum. But, it is
downloaded from the LO servers, so they have them for you.
On the green button for the downloading of the ISO files, there is an
Info text. You click on that text and you should get a page showing
Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
That does sound hugely useful but please could you let us know the
name of the utility you used? If it was for a particular DE i'm sure
we could work out the name for another DE if we need to. Just knowing
the name of 1 would help!
Also any suggestions on how to
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
NO ONE
has given me the answer before on how to create a md5sum file
before. And I asked that question back in the 3.3.x version days.
I have printed your answer out to PDF and I will place it on my
folder[s] for the NA-DVD work.
I use Ubuntu 12.04/MATE
Tom Davies wrote:
I think Tim uses a dual-boot on his main machine so the linux option is fine.
Errr, did someone say they managed to generate an Md5 of the iso on the website
and compared it to one generated from their download? If so does that mean the
one they generated could just be
Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 15.10.2012 10:45, Brian Barker wrote:
At 10:49 15/10/2012 +0300, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
On 14.10.2012 12:20, Gilles SICHE wrote:
could anyone tell me which formula I should use for the integer part
of a cell to be shown in another cell, ...
The answer could be:
Brian Barker wrote:
Now you are assuming (1) that negative election results are possible,
Well, with the way Romney's doing... ;-)
I was just posting in reference to comment about negative numbers and
not the original post.
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On 2012-09-27 3:08 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/09/12 12:01, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I have seen listings on Mozilla's archive system for an extension to
help with the syncing to a Google account.
Don't need any of those for Google Calendar
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 30/09/12 16:55, James Knott wrote:
I just tried those directions with Thunderbird Lightning, without
the provider. The calendar won't sync.
Been using the CalDav method for about six months now, ever since I
started getting problems with the Google Calendar
Tom Davies wrote:
For my colleagues it would be nice to have a Calendar that is easier to find
and integrate, for example. But i haven't found any sort of calendar, either
on-screen or off, that works for me
I use Lightning with Thunderbird and Seamonkey. I also sync it with
Google
Tanstaafl wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
With this mix of system being used for various tasks, I would have a
mess if I tried to read emails on more than one system, even if I
could get a sync system to work properly between the various Windows
and Ubuntu
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
This article may be interesting to read by some of this lists users.
It seems that MSO 2013 will read/write ODF 1.2 formats and their older
OOXML formats will not be changed to Strict Open XML formats [so .docx
will change format again]. Also Excel will be
Steve Edmonds wrote:
I also used to work with punch card equipment.
And a breakthrough was marksense cards that freed you from the punch
terminal.
We used those in my Gr. 12 Fortran class. I also worked on equipment
that could read them. As I recall, we spent most of our class time
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