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Hello Jacques

The only answer to your question is enabling the quick launch option 
that places some of the LO package in memory during boot of the Windows 
system.  It appears that you have 2 Gigabyte of Ram. Are you willing to 
take part of it to have part of the LO package reside in RAM to speed up 
the process?


You can find that option at:

 Tools  Options  LibreOffice  Memory
 LibreOffice Quickstarter check box Enable systray Quickstarter

I have tested LibreOffice on an old Compaq 3500+ CPU system and 
LibreOffice took 20+ seconds to load up.  That was the oldest/slowest 
system I have tested 3.6.x or 4.0.1 on.  I know that Atom-based system 
can be slow, but they seem to allow for smaller size systems.  The 
Raspberry Pi systems are the smallest new system I know of and are 
equivalent to a Pentium 4 300 MHz processor system, so we do need to 
find the best tricks to make it load/run quicker.




On 04/04/2013 03:53 AM, JR75018 wrote:

First time I come here - Hello to everybody and thanks to The Document
Foundation.

I have an Asus EeePc 1005 HA - 2 Go ram (2 Go * 1) - Intel Atom N280  @
1.66GHz - Windows 7 Home Premium 32-but SP1 - HD 244 Go

My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).

Number of operations : 100.
Memory for LO : 20 Mo
Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.

My (small) file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).

On the desk I have a link for my file. After a double click I have to wait
42 sec. Another way :

I click on LO shortcut : = 6 sec. Then...
I choose Calc : = 2 sec. Then...
I choose my file (in the last of the last files...) : = 26 sec.

How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

Thanks,

Jacques
  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Oracle Report Builder - Text field overflow and a N.aN problem


On 04/04/2013 04:44 AM, Marion  Noel Lodge wrote:

With Oracle Report Builder it does not seem to be possible to have a text
field overflow into the next line and push everything below that down a
line.  (I'm porting an application from an old Paradox system and this was
possible in Paradox reports.)  If I make the text box double height in
Report Builder, then the second line appears OK, but most of the records
don't need a second line and end up being double spaced.  Is there any work
around for this.

What I have tried is to use a macro to check the length of each text string
and if it exceeds 40 characters then I create a second record to contain
the excess characters.

snip

--
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Are you using Oracle Report Builder or the included Report Builder 
extension?   Which version of LO are you using, and which OS and version 
of Oracle Report Builder are you using?  It would be helpful to know 
these things for the people here that know that type of package inside 
and out.


Are we still using Oracle Report Builder for the extension, or did 
someone modify it for TDF/LO and changed the name to Report Builder?  
I know that Report Builder not Oracle. . . is a installed and locked 
extension that has been a part of LO installs for months now.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: File associations for MSO to LibreOffice -- Win8


On 04/03/2013 08:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

In the LibreOffice 4.0.1 Start Screen Open dialog, the Files of type: pull-down 
lists

Microsoft Publisher 98-2010 (*.pub)

as one of the drawing/image formats that are supported.

  - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: James Knott [mailto:james.kn...@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 14:03
To: LibreOffice
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: File associations for MSO to LibreOffice 
-- Win8

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi:)
I thought Publisher compatibility was added in 4.0.0?
Regards from
Tom:)


If so, this is the first I've heard of it.


I have just downloaded some MSO Publisher templates.  LO Draw does load 
them, but on my Linux system, .pub file are not associated to Draw.  I 
tested them out on 4.0.1 64-bit Deb install.


It is not perfect, but I downloaded Publisher 2007 and 2013 files to 
test.  Not all files formated properly, but it is much better than 
having no Publisher support.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

To get the best results, after the checking of the box, you should
restart your system. That is what I was told a year or two ago.

What you are now saying is a file/document loading issue.

How long has it been since you defragged your Atom-based system? The
more fragmented the drive it the slower the load times can be. Wor my
Windows systems [XP to Win7] I have been using the free Auslogics Disk
Defrag package.

http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag

I keep a list of free security and utility package at this list page.

http://www.lungstrom.com/list/

That way I never need to remember URLs or specific names of packages. I
also refer people to that list to find the free security packages that
they need to replace the paid versions that they do not want to pay for
any more. LO is listed there as well.

On 04/04/2013 07:14 AM, JR75018 wrote:

Thank you krackedpress,

I checked the box - Chargement de LibreOffice au démarrage du système - (=
Load LibreOffice when the system start).

The first time I click on my file's link I have to wait 50 sec. The second
time 32 sec.

If I open LO I wait maximum 6 sec. Then I click on Calc and I wait less than
1 sec. Now I choose my file in the recent documents list and I wait around
30 sec.

Now I look at my netbook and I remember how big was this machine in 1979. I
remember how long we had to wait sometimes... The most important is : today
we have Writer, Calc... for nothing. And it works fine compare to /others/
you have to pay a lot for.

So it is ok. After somedays I will play /again/on my desktop. I am going to
bring it to the shop where they will change the CPU (a second hand Core 2
duo E 8400 instead of P 4 531), put 8 Go Ram (4 Go x 2) and I will /run/ on
W7 64 bits and Linux Mint 64 bits too. This will be the future for me...

Thanks again,

Jacques

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?



I do not use the quickstarter options at all.

I think after the install, it take time to setup some things on the 
system, that is needed for a first time use for a new install.


LO use to be 5 or even 10 times slower on my quad Linux system, back in 
the 3.4 and 3.5 days.  Now it is speedy to launch.  3.6.x and 4.0.1 were 
slower on the old AMD 3500 and 3000 32-bit systems, than the 3.4 install 
that was on them.  It all depends on 32/64 bit and system resources.  
Less than 1 GB of RAM can can be really slow and dragging sometimes.  I 
have had so many apps running sometimes, that I make my quad act like an 
old/slow Pentium 4 system.  That is why I needed what I have.  The need 
to have several type of graphics package, LO, Firefox, Thunderbird, and 
some other packages running at the same time for some of my projects.



On 04/04/2013 07:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
LibreOffice does seem very slow to open, especially first time after a reboot.  
Same on GnuLinux tbh.  The Quickstarter does speed it up a bit but it's the 
2nd or subsequent times that it is a lot less slow.  Even then it is slow but is 
well worth waiting for.  Much better quality documents.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: JR75018 jak.ren...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013, 12:14
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

Thank you krackedpress,

I checked the box - Chargement de LibreOffice au démarrage du système - (=
Load LibreOffice when the system start).

The first time I click on my file's link I have to wait 50 sec. The second
time 32 sec.

If I open LO I wait maximum 6 sec. Then I click on Calc and I wait less than
1 sec. Now I choose my file in the recent documents list and I wait around
30 sec.

Now I look at my netbook and I remember how big was this machine in 1979. I
remember how long we had to wait sometimes... The most important is : today
we have Writer, Calc... for nothing. And it works fine compare to /others/
you have to pay a lot for.

So it is ok. After somedays I will play /again/on my desktop. I am going to
bring it to the shop where they will change the CPU (a second hand Core 2
duo E 8400 instead of P 4 531), put 8 Go Ram (4 Go x 2) and I will /run/ on
W7 64 bits and Linux Mint 64 bits too. This will be the future for me...

Thanks again,

Jacques



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: File associations for MSO to LibreOffice -- Win8

I twice had to do a reinstall/repair for a Windows Vista system. That
was with a late 3.5.x version and 3.6.3 or .4 version.

It seems to be a Widows issue, not a LO issue, or at least as far as I
can tell. I have had other packages do the same thing on that Vista
system and on an XP system.

Vista loves the Admin required to solve issues. The problem was I had
the only account on the laptop, created during the install, and had
Admin privileges on the account but Vista said I wad not the Admin and
had to log on using the Admin account. I am glad I no longer have Vista
installed on that laptop. I have had packages I installed tell my I
could not uninstall it through the Control Panel since it needed an
Admin account to do it. That is one of the many reasons I hate Windows,
even though I have to have at least one system for Windows only hardware
and software needs.

Right now, 4.0.2 can set Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Visio, and MathType
file extension to use LO as the default package. Since it will read
Publisher files into Draw, I was hoping to see a check box for that
during my installs on Windows, or in the Tools Options...Load/Save
dialogs.

On 04/04/2013 09:38 AM, Pedro wrote:

Hi Tom

Tom wrote

It's in the Repair or Modify option. It's another reason why it's
good to hang on to installers although i think that is generally good
advice for any software you install on Windows. It can sometimes be a
good idea in GnuLinux and probably the rest too.

I've just had a bit of trouble uninstalling a few odd things from a
Windows box but reinstalling fixed the programs problems and then it was
easier to uninstall. A bit mad but not hugely unusual. Err, i did have
to resort to revo-uninstaller too but that was for other cr@#$£

I know that. But I consider that a workaround (not a solution) for
knowledgeable IT people. In fact that requires Admin privileges.

What I am requesting is a feature for any user ;)

File association is at the User level. One user might prefer LO and another
AOO or even MSO :)

Cheers,
Pedro

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?


On 04/04/2013 01:40 PM, JR75018 wrote:

Thanks a lot krackedpress and Tom,

After the defragmentation (with Auslogics) nothing fantastic happened (the
data partition was 1% fragmented, and system 9%...).

I have a bookmark on my toolbar which is http://www.lungstrom.com/list/. So
I will have look very soon.

Jacques


You would not believe how many time I see systems that are 20 to 30 
percent fragmented.


That is one of the causes of file opening bottleneck and slow down. Also 
it reduces the life of your drive.


I hope you find the solution that works for your Atom system.  I do know 
that our developers have been working hard to remove the old coding that 
made the earlier version slower.


By chance, what type of spreadsheet calculations are you doing, or how 
complex is the cells/sheet?  What was your memory settings in the Tools 
 Options . . . dialogs.  Sometimes the number of objects and memory 
per objects, and the like can cause issues.  It might help, or not, with 
you system.  I have never dealt with an Atom-based system before.  I 
heard once that MS's OSs are not too friendly with the Atom chipset on 
some boards.  But, that was last year.  I know that there are a lot of 
OS based tweaks that can speed up a system, but you will need someone 
else for that, since I use Win7 about 5% of the time and Ubuntu the 95%.




The list was created when I was a Windows-only user and needed to find 
free solutions, since some of the software I needed for a new system 
could cost more than my rent.  I have not gone through all of the links 
in a long time.  When I find one that is bad, I fix it or remove the 
listed item.  Now I use Linux for most things since 99.99% of the needed 
software was free.  The one item [specialty-driver] I needed to buy, no 
longer is since the color laser printer died.


The menu bar is a hover and pop-down system.  You need to click on the 
subsection you want.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was 
modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was 
compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the 
RPi's specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 
700 MHz depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the 
hardware.


The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark 
of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even 
if a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, 
that will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count 
for that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school 
kids started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more 
traditional and more powerful systems.


As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic 
one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few 
languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able 
to create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics 
and controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level 
systems for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy 
all of the needed units for their computer lab to have one computer 
per student in the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS 
and data/programs, the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the 
SD card he/she was using and work on the same OS and data/program in the 
school's lab.  No need to have a networked server with student accounts 
and such.  The RPi was designed to work as well as it could at the 
lowest cost possible to the schools and the kids.



Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs 
for home/office and mobile needs.


So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the 
slower systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the 
small foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.



For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop 
seems too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 
GB RAM DELL laptop seems slow to me now.  My new[er] dual core Intel 
Pentium B950 2.1 GHz with 4 GB RAM Gateway laptop is better, but not 
up-to my quad desktop I bought in Feb 2010.  I needed the power/speed of 
the quad for my home/office use.



On 04/05/2013 10:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it 
from source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and 
standard downloads are built against very different architecture.  It 
might be worth exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable 
build but that might still be not quite perfect on other Atom 
machines.  The Pi one is likely to be shed loads better even if not 
quite perfect.


Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
Apols and regards from
Tom :)




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*Sent:* Friday, 5 April 2013, 14:56
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the
loading speed of Calc ?

On 04/05/2013 03:22 AM, JR75018 wrote:
 Hi krackedpress,

 This is accounting. I try to explain in details:

 Three lines and for each three columns of numeric datas and two
of text .
 Two colums are the sums of the expenses for each account = for
one of them
 I have 24 lines and three colums: one for text, one for the
expenses and one
 for the dates. For the two others I have three columns : one of
text  and
 two of expenses. For one of this both account  I have 25 lines
and for the
 last one 8 lines. I have two celles more with a sum in each.
Nothing more
 complicated except different colors. 18 cells with sums.

 My LO version is 4.0.1.2 (in french).

 Number of operations : 100.
 Memory for LO : 20 Mo
 Memory per item : 5,2 Mo.

 My file : 24,6 ko (28 on the disk).

 Thanks.

 Jacques

Thanks

Yes, the sheet is not complex enough for the file to be large and
slow.

We must have a user out there that knows tricks for speeding up Atom
systems.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc problem

2013-04-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/05/2013 04:09 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:


On 2013-04-06 05:02, Paul Schwartz wrote:
I am using LibreOffice 3.5.7.2 in Ubuntu 12.04. Ever since I changed 
from
OpenOffice I have noticed that Calc will not allow me to copy a 
selection
of cells in one row to several other rows. It only allows me to do 
one cell

to a range in a column.

Does anybody have this problem? Is it a bug that has been discussed
previously? If not, why not?

Thanks

Paul


Hi.
I am using 3.6. I can highlight and copy say B6:F6 (a selection in row 
6).


I can highlight B37:b47 (several other rows) and paste and I paste the 
copy from above into all of the rows so that the cells B6:F6 are 
repeated in b37:f37 to b47:f47.


Are you saying you cannot do that. I vaguely recollect that at one 
point in the past I observed your result but in 3.6 it works as above.


Steve




Many of these bugs from version 3.5.x and early 3.6.x has been fixed 
in the latest 3.6.5/3.6.6 [coming out next week]and 4.0.x that is the 
newest version/line.


I know that Ubuntu 12.04 installed 3.5.x by default, but you really 
should try the newer versions for the very fact that each version is 
meant to fix previous version's bugs as well as add productivity 
features.  I wish that Ubuntu would update their repository to the 
newest version of 3.6.x, but they have not.


Please try 3.6.5/.6 on your system [which needs to have 3.5.7 removed 
first] and you might really like the changes.  Or, you could give 4.0.2 
a try.


I run my main system [desktop] on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with MATE desktop 
environment.  The laptops use 12.10 and one will be used to test 13.04 
at the end of the month.  I am now running 4.0.2 on all my systems.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

2013-04-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/05/2013 05:18 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote:

I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many
documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single
file.  Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert-File... on a PDF file
(I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file).

I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into
the document, but that is painful.

Is there a way to make File-Insert work, perhaps via a macro?  If not,
consider this a feature request.

David



What OS are you using?

In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text 
file and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do 
not know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire 
file at once but would need to format the text.




The most painless option is find a PDF to .doc [.odt] conversion 
package. I know that there are some low costing package that do this, 
but I would like to see a free one somewhere.


The large project and many documents seem to me that if the number 
is large enough, you would want to have an auto-conversion package for 
the PDF documents.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How I can reduce the loading speed of Calc ?

2013-04-06 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



Which version are you going to use?

I understand there are two now, one based on Ubuntu and the other based 
directly on Debian.


I had difficulties with installing networked printers - Canon and Epson 
inkjets - when I tested Linux Mint on a computer I attached to my TV for 
media streaming for YouTube and other Internet content.  Otherwise it 
worked well.


Are you going to go with Cinnamon or MATE desktop, or the non-GNOME 
ported ones.


As for using RPi's version of LO, it was compiled fore its hardware and 
OS system so it might not work well at all on an Atom system.


I do wonder how hard it would be to compile LO to a specific system and 
its hardware.  I know it would take a real long time to do the compiling 
on a slower systems.


On 04/06/2013 12:56 PM, JR75018 wrote:

Thanks Tom and krackedpress,

I keep this idea and will have a look later. After four days I will be on
LinuxMint...


2013/4/6 Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
ml-node+s969070n4048241...@n3.nabble.com


Hi :)
So the trick would be to try to download and use the LibreOffice from the
Raspberry Pi people.  Compiling yourself takes a ridiculously long time.
If the RPi one does work then it's an instant win
Regards from
Tom :)







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I have heard that the RPi system uses a Debian based OS that was

modified/compiled for the RPi, and that the LO version for the RPi was
compiled from the Debian-based source code to work efficiently on the RPi's
specific architecture.  The RPi speed is similar to a P4 300 to 700 MHz
depending on the OS, the model [A or B],  and tweaks to the hardware.

The good news for US, LO and TDF, is the RPi is near its 1 million mark

of made/sold units and its default office package is LibreOffice.  Even if
a quarter of those some units have had the user installed LO on them, that
will give LO a set of young [or no so young] users.  The user count for
that could be 200,000 or more world wide.  Getting the young school kids
started with LO should tend to make them want to use LO on more traditional
and more powerful systems.

As for the RPi/Pi system. . . . .
It was designed for the education market.  They are inexpensive basic

one-board systems to help teach school age kids how to program in a few
languages, like Python, and by using a attachable controller to be able to
create simple [and complex] electronic devices/system for robotics and
controller systems.  They were meant to be low costing entry level systems
for those kids and schools that did not have the budgets to buy all of the
needed units for their computer lab to have one computer per student in
the lab.  Actually, with the SD card having both the OS and data/programs,
the student could have a RPi at home and bring in the SD card he/she was
using and work on the same OS and data/program in the school's lab.  No
need to have a networked server with student accounts and such.  The RPi
was designed to work as well as it could at the lowest cost possible to the
schools and the kids.


Atom based, and similar, systems were not powerful enough for my needs

for home/office and mobile needs.

So I forgot all of the tricks and tweaks that could be used in the slower

systems still out there for used systems and for sale in the small
foot-print system that have Atom and similar speed/power CPUs.


For me, even a single core AMD 3500+ CPU with 512 - 1,024 MB RAM desktop

seems too slow for my needs.  My Intel dual core T3200 2.0 GHz CPU and 3 GB
RAM DELL laptop seems slow to me now.  My new[er] dual core Intel Pentium
B950 2.1 GHz with 4 GB RAM Gateway laptop is better, but not up-to my quad
desktop I bought in Feb 2010.  I needed the power/speed of the quad for my
home/office use.


On 04/05/2013 10:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Sadly i suspect that it's really going to take someone building it from

source code in order to make much faster.  Current builds and standard
downloads are built against very different architecture.  It might be worth
exploring the Pi project to see if they have a usable build but that might
still be not quite perfect on other Atom machines.  The Pi one is likely to
be shed loads better even if not quite perfect.

Sorry, i should have thought of it before!
Apols and regards from
Tom :)





  

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On 04/07/2013 12:03 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 04/07/2013 08:11 AM, JR75018 wrote:

Hi,

By now I have LinuxMint 14 Xfce Nadia 32 bit. My printer is a Canon 
Ip4500
and I don't remember how I managed to make it work. I am not a geek 
neither
a nerd, just somebody who had some jobs in bank computer services 
long time
ago. So when I don't remember how I did it, it means I ha no problem. 
But I

tried to print from W7 to the same printer on XP and it was impossible.
To access the CUPS interface for any Linux distro using any web 
browser enter: http://localhost:631/ into the browser.
I managed to print from an Xp via Samba, even it was less easy. I am 
very

surprised by the giant step Linux has climb from Debian Potatoes till
today. Everything is so simple : when I was in Delhi I had no problem to
use my 3G Tata photon on Ubuntu and then on Nadia. And mainly, to make
easier the compatibility between my computer and my wife'one I
use...Windows. It means I don't know Linux.

Windows is stuck when, Linux runs ?

Today I opened the same small files with calc on Nadia, it was LO 
3.6, and

I has to wait 12 seconds instead of 50 seconds !

Regards

Jacques


snip

Thanks for the CUPS reference.

I was trying Linux Mint 14? with Cinnamon instead of the MATE desktop.  
I wanted to see how good it was, since for some reason Ubuntu 
12.04/12.10 would not install Cinnamon desktop environment properly.  I 
was working on my Linux test partition on my laptop and do not 
remember if I upgraded to 12.10 at that time.  So I tried it by 
installing it along side [new partition] of a Ubuntu 10.04 desktop 
attached to my HDMI TV for Internet and other streaming content.  It is 
now upgraded to Ubuntu 12.xx.


My Canon is a 6220 and it is on the network. Wired, even  though I could 
make it wireless.

IP address is 192.168.0.104
gateway and router IP is 192.166.0.1
it would not even see the printer if I typed in the printer's IP address.

Now that setup tried worked fine if I plugged in the 16 foot USB cable 
and an extension 16 foot cable to reach the testing desktop under my 
living room TV.  USB, no problem - Network, problem.


I had to use a UK Linux driver for that series since the USA does not 
want to support Linux on their web site, but the sites that are not part 
of the North American community does support Linux.  The would not 
answer when I asked why USA does not support  Linux when their other 
world sites do.


I use the following networked printers [oldest to newest models]

[CUPS-PDF is my default printer]

HP Laserjet 2300dn - duplex - laser - bw
Epson Artisan 810 - print, scan, copy, fax, duplex - inkjet with DVD 
media printing [Yellow Black, Magenta, Light Magenta, Cyan, Light Cyan]
Canon MG 6220 - print, scan, copy, duplex - inkjet with DVD media 
printing  [Yellow, Magenta, Cyan, Black, Photo Black, Grey]
HP Officejet 7000 - wide format printing inkjet [Yellow Magenta, Cyan, 
Black [2 possible sizes]


The Epson and Canon had to have special drivers to work with the Linux 
systems I use - all Ubuntu 64-bit of either 12.04 or 12.10.


I run MATE since I almost hate [with a passion] Unity and I preferred 
the GNOME desktop of 10.04.  Cinnamon was not ready for full release 
at that time so I went with MATE desktop.


I run my laptops as a dual booting system - 64-bit Windows 7 
[Professional for one and Home Premium for the other] and Ubuntu 12.10 
for the other partition/boot, where Ubuntu it the default boot.  I need 
Windows for some needed software, including defragging my external 
drives that are used for both backups and for media sharing with my TVs 
through the blu-ray players.  The players require FAT[FAT32] or NTFS and 
will not work with a Linux partition.  So the drives need defragging 
from time to time.  Also I have some other package I like to use that 
are Windows only and some USB hardware that the drivers/software are 
Windows only.







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[libreoffice-users] need tips on ledger/tabloid printing of newsletter

2013-04-10 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



I need some tips on the best way to set up Writer for printing 
newsletter using the 11 by 17 inch ledger/tabloid paper stock, where 
there are two 8.5 by 11 panels per side of the sheets.


I now have a printer that will use that wide format paper, but I never 
set up a document to use it.


I want to have each half-sheet [letter size] to have 2 or 3 columns of 
text and graphics.


So is there anyone on the lists that have set up a document with Writer 
to print out newsletter pages on this wide format paper?


I normally took the letter size sheets and placed them sideby side on a 
11x17 copier or had the office store printing department do the work for 
me.  I think printing on a tabloid sheet and then folding it in half 
works much better than using letter size paper and putting a staple in 
the corner.


Since this was the last box they had of the printer that was over half 
off, to make room for the newer model that had duplexing, I just had to 
buy it, since I would never see a wide format printer at this low of a 
price that included 2 years of replacement warranty.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large file

2013-04-10 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/10/2013 06:13 PM, David Ronis wrote:

I have a project managed by an odm file that ends up being ca 1600 pages
long and contains several OLE objects, many graphics (some comprising
entire pages that started out as PDFs).  I find LO unbelievably slow
(even on such simple things as refreshing the window after remapping
it).  I've turned of recording/displaying changes,  upped the graphics
cache numbers, set the swap directory to a ram disk, and turned off all
to-disk swapping; nothing helps.   This is on a 2 CPU machine with gig's
of ram.

I'm currently trying  to print the project to a file (postscript
format).  This takes 4-6 hours, with 1 of the CPU's running at 100% [BTW
is LO multi-threaded?].  The resulting postscript file is big, (about
350M) but not that big.

I'm on a Slackware Linux box.

Any suggestions?

David




Which version of LO are you using?  That might help with some answers.

Have you made any modification the default settings of
ToolsOptionsLibreOfficeMemory ?

I know that some people have seen some good results with the increasing 
of the different options for the memory usage for a document.  Large 
ones that has a lot of object/graphics/images could use more cache 
memoryand a larger number of objects.  Then if you are not doing much 
editing, the reduction of the Undo - number of steps could free up 
some needed memory and response time for the document.


The 1600 pages long and many graphics can slow down any system, when you 
are converting the file to a postscript format.


By-the-way - what are you using for the print-to-postscriptprocess?  I 
do not see that as a included part of LO 4.0.2.  Are you printing it 
to a postscript printer but are saving it to a file instead of printing 
out to paper?  That process would give our users some idea on the 
process and my have some of the try some things that might find some 
answers.


I use Ubuntu 12.04 with 2 HP printers [inkjet and laser], 1 Epson 
inkjet, and 1 Canon inkjet.  None defaults to a postscript, but the HP 
laser has a postscript driver.  I may install it and do some testing myself.


OK, I installed the foomatic-postscript driver for the laser printer.  
It can print to a file.  But would I need it to usethe generic 
postscript printer driver to make it device independent as you seem to 
want it to be by printing the file to a postscript file?






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large file

2013-04-12 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



I know that a professional writer of sci-fi and fantasy 
novels/paper-backs makes each chapter of his books a separate file, and 
he usually have 15 to 25 chapters.


I too have never heard of making a document more than 50 to 100 pages 
per file.  Just paging through it would be slow, even on my mid-range 
quad desktop with 4 GB of RAM.  To be honest, you might really find it 
better to break the document up by sections of no more than 50 pages or 
so, if possible.  I know there must be a way to define the starting page 
number for each chapter, or do the sectional page numbering in the 
footer - i.e. Section VII Page 35




On 04/12/2013 02:30 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:

David,
That may or may not be true.  I am not familiar with the free, etc. 
tools you mention, but they may be reporting system free memory, while 
the LO settings are limits for LO and may be topping out while there 
is still free system memory available.  I would take a look at the 
document file size and maybe triple that or more for the LO settings.  
Keep in mind that the file is compressed, so you should at least 
double that size, assuming a nominal 50% compression.  You could count 
the number of graphics in your document to get the max number of 
graphics setting.  1600 pages is a lot.  I have many large documents 
but I don't think any of them are 1600 pages.  Maybe hundreds of pages 
at the most. So I don't have any experience with a document that 
large.  Too bad LO doesn't have a memory pool usage dialog where one 
could see the memory usage.  Hint, hint to the devs.  With such a 
tool, we wouldn't need to be guessing about these settings.  I suggest 
you try File - Properties and select the General tab.  There is a 
report on the document Size there.  Use the Statistics tab to see 
some other allocations, such as number of graphics.  Use of this data 
may help you zero in on acceptable memory allocation settings.

Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr


On 04/12/2013 09:08 AM, David Ronis wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the reply.  In short, I'd already upped the memory options
for graphics (250MB total, 10MB per object, 100 objects) and tools like
free etc. show that I'm nowhere close to using all my memory (with or
without swapping enabled).

David

On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 22:04 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

Have you attempted anything in particular to see if it allows for a
speed improvement? For example:


1. Check on memory usage. How high is it? Are you running out of 
memory?


2. Change graphics settings:

Tools  Options  LibreOffice  Memory

Then try increasing the memory for things such as graphics objects and
number of objects?


On 04/11/2013 01:59 PM, David Ronis wrote:

Hi Girvin,

Most of the graphics in the document are PDF pages that I've imported
into Draw and then cut and pasted them into an odt file, which in turn
is incorporated into the full document as laid out in the odm file.

Also normal scrolling of the odm document is horrendously slow as well
(minutes to scroll to the next page and redraw).

David


-Original Message-
From: Girvin Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing speed is glacial for large
file
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:21:16 -0700


On 04/10/2013 03:13 PM, David Ronis wrote:
I have a project managed by an odm file that ends up being ca 1600 
pages

long and contains several OLE objects, many graphics (some comprising
entire pages that started out as PDFs).  I find LO unbelievably slow
(even on such simple things as refreshing the window after remapping
it).  I've turned of recording/displaying changes,  upped the 
graphics
cache numbers, set the swap directory to a ram disk, and turned 
off all
to-disk swapping; nothing helps.   This is on a 2 CPU machine with 
gig's

of ram.

I'm currently trying  to print the project to a file (postscript
format).  This takes 4-6 hours, with 1 of the CPU's running at 
100% [BTW

is LO multi-threaded?].  The resulting postscript file is big, (about
350M) but not that big.

I'm on a Slackware Linux box.

Any suggestions?

David


David,
There is a known problem with LO and Encapsulated PostScript (EPS)
graphics.  They slow down video rendering tremendously, causing
frustrating long scrolling time.  This may also cause a problem with
printing, I never tried it.  When I converted my document's EPS images
to JPEG, LO rendering/scrolling sped up tremendously.
Hope this helps.
(Fellow Slacker.)
Girvin Herr



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calendar software

2013-04-12 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

Mozilla use to have a project called Sunbird, which was the stand alone
version of Lightning, but it was dripped. I may have a copy of it
somewhere.

Still if you have Thunderbird, there is no reason why could could not
download the Lightning add-on. I have it on my desktop.

There are free stand alone appointment calendars for the Windows
environment, so there should be versions out there for your Mac OS X.

I use Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, with the latest versions of Firefox
and Thunderbird, plus LO 4.0.2.2.

On 04/12/2013 02:47 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:

I don't believe so, but there is a free open-source alternative to MS
Outlook called Thunderbird. It is an e-mail client made by the same people
who make the Firefox web browser and there is an addon available called
Lightning which adds on calendar task support, giving you a full email
and cal / tasks support like you'd get in Outlook. I assume this is the
sort of thing you want, if not, don't hesitate to reply-all.

On Friday, 12 April 2013, Ken Springer wrote:

I'm asking this for a friend...

Is there any calendar software that will interface with LO or Open Office,
much like MS Outlook works with MS Office?

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.3
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.1.2

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[libreoffice-users] has there been a change in computing for enough room during install?

2013-04-12 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



I was wondering if there has been some changes in how LO 4.0.2 deals 
with computing to see if there is enough room on the drive for the new 
install.


I went from 4.0.1.2 to 4.0.2.2 on Windows and it has taken over 5 
minutes for the laptops to deal with this step.  One was Win7 
Professional and the other was Home Premium.  Both are on dual core 
laptops. Both are in the mid-range for processor speeds.


I am upgrading to 4.0.2 on the Win7/Pro system, right now, and had to 
wait over 5 minutes, I wonder if something has changed.  It has never 
taken more than 2 minutes to do this computing process on this 
laptop.  It has over 60 GB free and the Win7/HomePre one has over 200 GB 
free, it is strange that it is taking so long for this part of the 
install process.  Yes, the disks have been defragged and both system 
have at least 3GB RAM.






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[libreoffice-users] 4.0.2 DVDs are online - both the English NA-DVD and the German one

2013-04-13 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster




For those of you who want them, both the English NA-DVD and the German 
DVD is now online on the DVD download page.


http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.2

This NA-DVD 4.0.2 DVD version is the first to have the Windows 
autorun.inf added to it.  Therefore, for the Windows users, upon 
inserting it into the DVD reader, a dialog will pop up to ask if you 
wish to run the DVD or open it for use in the file manager [i.e. My 
Computer].  If you choose to run the DVD, your default browser will 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Web Hosting?

2013-04-14 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/14/2013 10:21 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 07:34 14/04/2013 -0400, Jeffrey Brown wrote:

I have created a powerpoint ...


Er, a presentation document?

... and have saved it as an html document.  How would I go about 
publishing it as a web page on the Internet?  Any free web hosting 
services out there?


Yes.

(What went wrong when you searched for free web hosting services?)

Brian Barker




Yes there are free web hosting services, depending what you really want 
and need.


But, if you want to have as domain name pointing to that web page/site, 
you may have much fewer free hosting options.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] has there been a change in computing for enough room during install?

2013-04-15 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



I am not on the Dev list.  I am not a developer, so I have no real need 
to be on it.


But it is a valid question.

Some of the other users might have seen the same thing on their 
upgrading from 4.0.0/4.0.1 to 4.0.2 when using an older laptop, or a 
mid-range dual-core CPU with Win7.



On 04/14/2013 02:17 PM, Kieran Peckett wrote:

Just added LibreOffice-Dev to the conversation, as Tom suggested.

On Saturday, 13 April 2013, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
Good question.  The devs list might have more idea.
Regards from
Tom :)







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enough room during install?



I was wondering if there has been some changes in how LO 4.0.2 deals with

computing to see if there is enough room on the drive for the new install.

I went from 4.0.1.2 to 4.0.2.2 on Windows and it has taken over 5 minutes

for the laptops to deal with this step.  One was Win7 Professional and the
other was Home Premium.  Both are on dual core laptops. Both are in the
mid-range for processor speeds.

I am upgrading to 4.0.2 on the Win7/Pro system, right now, and had to

wait over 5 minutes, I wonder if something has changed.  It has never taken
more than 2 minutes to do this computing process on this laptop.  It has
over 60 GB free and the Win7/HomePre one has over 200 GB free, it is
strange that it is taking so long for this part of the install process.
Yes, the disks have been defragged and both system have at least 3GB RAM.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] OT : good cd import software on linux

2013-04-16 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/16/2013 03:25 AM, Dries Feys wrote:

Hi all,

This is way of topic, but as there are many linux adepts over
here, I wonder what software you use to rip cd's to mp3. (or ogg
vorbis, but I prefer mp3 as that's supported on more hardware than
ogg)

On windows, I used to use iTunes, which recognised (through cddb, or
whatever sony made it now) nearly all cd's, also the less common like
folk music (Bal O'Gadjo, Embrun,...) On ubuntu, those cd's are rarely
recognised.

The final goal is to rate the songs with stars (or another symbol)
like in Itunes, and then be able to export a best-of to my collection
to my cell phone, tablet and/or usb-stick.

Are there some packages I should install to have those cd's
recognised, or what should I do?

TIA,

Dries



Yes it is way off topic.

You want to take all your Audio CDs and make them into MP3 files, yes?

I have Ubuntu 12.04.  I have installed Ripper X, Asunder CD Ripper, and 
a few others.


I would see what rippers are available with your Linux distro and try a 
few. I have not used a Linux one in a few years, since I ripped all my 
CDs years ago and keep the MP3 file on my massive audio folders.


To be honest, I do not know which one does the stars option you wish.

As for CD's being recognized, that is a different issue. Are you 
saying that your Linux system is not able to play audio CDs?  That 
sounds like a hardware problem, since every distro of Linux I have used 
include the needed drivers and packages for reading audio CDs.


Are you saying that you place your CD in the drive and open the audio 
package and the CD and song information are not found and displayed?  
That is a problem with the database being used to look up the CD info 
online. For playing your CDs on Linux and Windows, try VLC.  They have a 
really good system and they have access to a service that will look your 
CDinfo up online.  To be honest, if you run Windows Vista, VLC is the 
preferred package since it included all of the codexoption you would 
need that Vista does not provide.  But, if you have a CD that is not 
part of a large publishing house, it may not get included in the online 
database. That is just life of a small run CD by obscure artists.


So try Asunder CD Ripper and VLC player.

I use VLC media player on all my systems as a default install. Linux and 
Windows [XP through Win7]



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Re: [libreoffice-users] OT : good cd import software on linux

2013-04-16 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



FLAC does not work on half of my audio playing devices, computer 
packages, blu-ray audio players, etc..


There can be a limitless debate over which is the best codex for the 
audio recording, but if you want the most, you use MP3.  Of course you 
set the MP3 encoder/ripper to the highest quality audio your package can 
handle.  I have many recordings that are listed at 320kbps.


So the best answer, for the most players would be MP3 at the highest 
quality.  For the best solution for a narrower device usage, it is a 
vary debatable topic that does not belong here.


The off topic question is getting much too off topic and not anything 
near LO.  So maybe if there is a need for more info, we could do some 
off list emailing.





On 04/16/2013 06:26 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Ahah, so it's time for someone to write an Android app or can they be just 
Plug-ins/Add-ons.Extensions?  Java not Python tho right? :(  (not that i know 
either!!)
Regards from
Tom :)







From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 22:16
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] OT : good cd import software on linux


Joep L. Blom wrote:

One little remark: if your ears are critical and you have mainly classical and 
jazz CD's MP3 is not to be used.

The problem with that is many devices only play mp3.  I often play ogg on my 
phone and tablet, but my Blu-ray player and A/V receiver only play mp3.  It's a 
shame because there's an Android app for my A/V receiver that lets me play 
music from my tablet through it via WiFi.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Web Hosting?

2013-04-17 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



I use Jalbum to take slides, graphics, and photos, and make them into an 
online photo/image/graphic gallery.  There are so many display styles 
and options that it works best for me.  If you want user controlled 
slide show, then that it the route I would go. Jalbum has a free version 
and most of the skins are free.  It has packages for Windows, Linux, 
and Mac.  I have it installed on both Windows and Ubuntu systems.


http://jalbum.net/en/

Browsing through the different gallery skins will show you what I mean 
my all the different gallery display styles.  Some of the skins have 
many, many options to customize the look within that style.


http://jalbum.net/en/skins/popular

All you need then is a place to host the gallery.  Actually Jalbum has a 
service for that as well.


YouTube will work fine for a creator timed slide show, but Jalbum works 
the best if you want the user to take their time and look at each slide 
and go go back to earlier ones as needed.  All you need to to is export 
each slide to a .jpg, .gif, or .png file.  It will automatically resize 
the photos and images to the size you set for the display - say 800 by 
600 pixels instead of the fill 2000+ with of a modern photo.



On 04/17/2013 05:29 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I imagine there is some conversion process but it's probably fairly easy and 
there is probably an easy HowTo guide or YouTube video on how to do it.

If you wander around YouTube you will often bump into slide-shows.  It's not 
all videos, films and animations
Regards from
Tom :)








From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Jeffrey Brown jeffrey_v_br...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013, 3:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Web Hosting?


Can PPs be posted on UTube?



On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi :)

YouTube?
Regards from
Tom :)

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*Sent:* Monday, 15 April 2013, 16:14
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Web Hosting?

To whom is your targeted market?,
  is this PP for the masses or for some select group - business-
or social-wise?
how do you plan to use this PP?, or is it merely to be on-line for
the duration?

There are various options - from sending out via e-mail as an
attachment or a link ... to posting on the various sites which allow such
[per example, re. genealogical data - Rootsweb continues to be a strong
choice; then google  yahoo, etc. offer free sites for various reasons; ...
... etc. ...]



On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Jeffrey Brown
jeffrey_v_br...@hotmail.comwrote:

I have created a powerpoint and have saved it as an html document.  How

would I go about publishing it as a web page on the Internet?  Any free

web

hosting services out there?




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Re: [libreoffice-users]

2013-04-17 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/17/2013 10:39 AM, Toki wrote:

All

Are there any extensions for LibreOffice that retrieve Commodity Prices.
Specifically, precious metals. (Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium, Copper)

Are there any extensions for LibreOffice that retrieve currency exchange
rates?


I tried GetQuote, but it throws an error (#NAME? or Error # 508)
when requesting gold prices.

jonathon



I have not heard of any.

Here is theweb page for the extensions

http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center

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Re: [libreoffice-users] libre office won't print!

2013-04-25 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 04/25/2013 09:18 AM, Arnon Zlotnik wrote:

Hello,
I've been using libre office for a long time, up to now very successfully.
However, as of this morning, I simply cannot print ANYTHING. not a writer 
document, not a spreadsheet, not  pdf... nothing!
Whenever I try to print any kind of document, nothing happens and the software 
simply crashes. I've tried uninstalling and re-installing. same problem.
HELP!!!
Thanks a lot!
Best regards,
A. Zlotnik


It may be an issue in the User profile.

I do not know which Os you ae using, but I would look for the user 
profile and rename it.  Then try printing.


When you uninstall LO, you do not remove the user profile.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Error trying to install LibreOffice 4.0.2.2 on ubuntu 12.10


On 04/29/2013 11:01 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 04/29/2013 09:57 PM, Hugh Lupien wrote:
When trying to install LibreOffice 4.0.2.2 on ubuntu 12.10 using the 
readme directions that follow:


sudo dpkg -i *.deb

The above DEBSdpkg command does the first part of the installation 
process. To complete the process, you also need to install the 
desktop integration packages. To do this, change directory to the 
desktop-integration directory that is within the DEBS directory, 
using the following command:


cd desktop-integration

Now run the dpkg command again:

sudo dpkg -i *.deb

The installation process is now completed, and you should have icons 
for all the LibreOffice applications in your desktop's 
Applications/Office menu.


I get the following error message after successfully installing the 
first part according to the readme txt, and trying to install the 
desktop integration packages:


hugh-u@hugh-u:~/Downloads/LibreOffice_4.0.2.2_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS$ 
cd desktop-integration
hugh-u@hugh-u:~/Downloads/LibreOffice_4.0.2.2_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration$ 
sudo dpkg -i *.deb[sudo] password for hugh-u:

Selecting previously unselected package libreoffice-debian-menus.
dpkg: regarding libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.2-2_all.deb 
containing libreoffice-debian-menus:

 libreoffice-debian-menus conflicts with libreoffice-bundled
  libreoffice-core provides libreoffice-bundled and is present and 
installed.


dpkg: error processing libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.2-2_all.deb 
(--install):

 conflicting packages - not installing libreoffice-debian-menus
Errors were encountered while processing:
 libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.2-2_all.deb
hugh-u@hugh-u:~/Downloads/LibreOffice_4.0.2.2_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration$ 



Please help if you can. Thank you

Hugh Lupien
 Ubuntu includes their own version of LibreOffice which includes 
this : libreoffice-common which contains the menu entries. When you 
ran sudo dpkg -i *.deb in the desktop-integration folder, you are 
trying to overwrite what is contained in libreoffice-common. That is 
when you get your error. (This has been happening to me for more than 
10 years.)
 So, what do I do? First of all I have installed Synaptic from the 
Ubuntu repositories using
sudo apt-get install synaptic. Then open Synaptic (Applications  
System Tools  Adminstration). You will have to enter your user 
password to open this program. Then enter libreoffice in the Search 
box and click the Search button. Remove all the packages that contain 
libreoffice in the Installed Version column. (Right click the program 
and select Mark for Removal. When you have marked all of the 
appropriate programs, click the Apply button. At the top. A window 
appears labeled Summary. Double check that you have not accidentally 
marked a program for removal that should not be removed. Also make 
sure that libreoffice-common is on the removal list. When you are 
satisfied, click the apply button in this window. Then close Synaptic. 
Now you can go back to the desktop-integration folder. There run sudo 
dpkg -i *.deb. This time there should be no error, and you should have 
the LO 4.0.2.2 menu present in the Office folder. Or if you use Unity 
(I do not), you can search for the LO icons using the top icon of 
the Dash.


--Dan




Hugh. . .
Could you let us know which version of LibreOffice you have?

GIVE this a try, if you are going from 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 to 4.0.2.
Instead of using the Terminal, just run the file from the file manager 
[Places].  The should bring up the Ubuntu Software Center/Manager.  
Sometimes it fixes the menu issues I once in a while get.



The only time I have to do that is when upgrading a major version 
change.  4.0.1 to 4.0.2 should not need that.


Yes Ubuntu upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 replaces your  installed 
LibreOffice with the version they use 3.6.4 or something like that. You 
will have to remove the previous package of LibreOffice then. Also is 
you had 3.6.5 installed and wanted to upgrade to 4.0.x, you will need to 
do that as well.


If you f\go from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2, you should not have any menu issues.


I run 12.04.  My laptops ran 12.10, but now have 13.04 on it.  The 
problem there is that 13.04 upgrade seems not to install all of the 
modules for their version of 4.0.2.  Calc modulel is installed but 
Writer is not.  Why that happens, I do not know, but all you need to do 
in install is the rest of the modules through the Synaptic Package 
Manager or through the Terminal sudo dpkg -i *.deb.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles



I no longer need to write in any required style or page format. SO, I 
never got into using styles.  But you have a valid point in needing 
students to learn how to use it.  The fact that writing style 
requirements change every so often.  I went to 4 colleges and received 3 
degrees.  The problem I had was that every time I went back to college, 
the standards for foot notes, indexing, bibilography, and many other 
things I learn in one college English/Writing course changed.  I ended 
up taking English and Writing courses several time to learn the new 
standards that the colleges were teaching and required for any paper to 
be turned into the professors.  Then there are those classes that 
require specific formatting and styles for their paperwork.


If you create a set of styles, one per class/course/teacher, then you 
can write the documents and then apply the styles needed by the 
professor, or even the business reader.


I myself have run across times where using styles would work for me, but 
I never really learned how to use them correctly.  Never took the time.


Tom's and other postings about getting students to compete in how fast 
it would be to format a mangled text to a predefined style and the 
others doing it the hard way.  Then having the students compete in a 
race to see who can create a style from scratch for the document.  I bet 
there would be different version created that do the same end results.


The only problem I see with styles is some people may go and make a 
document so complex with styles for everything that it creates 
problems for an new user to edit/modify the document with new 
information or reorganize the flow of the document.  I had to do that a 
few months ago and it was not easy.  It seemed that every possible 
portion of the document, i.e. paragraph text and titles, columns and 
frames, images and headlines, were all defined in such a way that when 
moving text and images around the document, the styles setup would try 
to define the wrong text or document element.  The editing and moving of 
text and images broke the very complex styling of the document.


The point is, styles are great in concepts, but some people can get 
carried away with their complexity.  I have a book editor friend that I 
email back and forth with.  She has some real horror stories trying to 
edit manuscripts that the author wrote using a complex set of styles.  
So if you teach and/or use styles, kept them simple enough that it does 
not get in the way of the next person needing to modify the document.


On 04/30/2013 06:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I am a bit bitter about this sort of thing too.  Even back when i was in school 
i could see teachers clearly trying to help people.  Unfortunately general 
attitudes of the kids in the classroom meant that even those of us that were 
interested in learning the skill had a tough time.  It didn't improve at Uni.


There have been some excellent suggestions in this list.  Perhaps set a 
mini-competition half the class using 1 technique. Perhaps ask for hands up if  
they can't cope with using styles, in order to play to the machismo of some.  
When the results are in ask who can change the formatting of their document 
fastest.

Another idea is to get a horribly mangled paragraph and challenge them to 
insert it into their document to fit the style of their own work.

I frequently have to do this for my company's newsletter and at first found it 
took hours to try to fix people's messes in Word.  In LibreOffice i just pasted 
as unformatted and then applied styles taking just a couple of minutes at most.

However i still think it's easier to teach people things they want to learn.  
Trying to trick them into wanting to learn about something else is a tough 
challenge.

Regards from

Tom :)









From: T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com
To: LibreOffice-list users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 4:08
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles


On 29 April 2013 20:48, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:


It pains me to watch people mouse around a document going from paragraph to
paragraph trying to get formatting consistent when all they need to do is
make one change to a paragraph style and voila, every paragraph having
that style is automatically changed. Just today, one of my students was
stunned to watch that work. You mean I don't have to make the same change
to every paragraph? she asked.
There is a better way, and since a university pays me to teach students how
to take advantage of modern technology, I feel it my duty to at least give
it a college try to find a way to explain it to them.

Virgil, I think it is great that you are trying to show your students
a better way. I don't understand why there was an accusation (using
'Nazi' no less — that post seemed full of bitterness) that anyone was
trying to force anyone to use styles.

Styles are a better way, but

Re: [libreoffice-users] Error trying to install LibreOffice 4.0.2.2 on ubuntu 12.10



I use
cd desktop-integration
then
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

I tend to bring up the folder that has the files and then run the 
command on the files without dealing with the run file in different 
folder type of work.


I have not had any issues with desktop menu installs for Ubuntu since 
going to 12.04 from 10.04.  10.xx tended to give me troubles with the 
menu installation process half the time.  So, sometimes it will be 
needed to remove LO from the system either using the Terminal [remove 
not purge] or the Synaptic Package Manager. 12.xx and 13.04 seem not to 
install it with the upgrading or clean install.


I use MATE desktop environment instead of the other GNOME forks. I do 
not like Unity and/or the GNOME 3.x Unity-look-alike DE.  I have not 
upgraded my desktop to 13.04, but when I replace my sda drive, I will do 
a clean install of 13.04.  So I stick with 12.04 on the desktop and 
13.04 on the laptops.  There were just a few changes in the menus from 
12.04 and 12.10/13.04 with the rest seeming the same to me.





On 04/30/2013 09:55 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The wiki-page

recommends using


sudo apt-get purge libreoffice?

but i never quite trust the single question mark and replace that with a star 
to be certain of getting everything.  Also i'm not sure about purge as i 
suspect it gets rid of settings, configs, Extensions, galleries and everything 
so i prefer


sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*


Also after doing the install you might want LibreOffice to look a bit nicer so 
it's good to install the desktop integration package relevant for your DE (in 
this case probably Gnome (or more likely a fork of it), Unity or Xfce (ok, this 
last one is unlikely)) so try


sudo dpkg -i desktop-integration/*.deb

Note there is no / or anything in front of desktop-integration because the folder called 
desktop-integration should be in the folder you are already in at that point.

Regards from
Tom :)








From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 4:01
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Error trying to install LibreOffice 4.0.2.2 on 
ubuntu 12.10


On 04/29/2013 09:57 PM, Hugh Lupien wrote:

When trying to install LibreOffice 4.0.2.2 on ubuntu 12.10 using the
readme directions that follow:

sudo dpkg -i *.deb

The above DEBSdpkg command does the first part of the installation
process. To complete the process, you also need to install the desktop
integration packages. To do this, change directory to the
desktop-integration directory that is within the DEBS directory,
using the following command:

cd desktop-integration

Now run the dpkg command again:

sudo dpkg -i *.deb

The installation process is now completed, and you should have icons
for all the LibreOffice applications in your desktop's
Applications/Office menu.

I get the following error message after successfully installing the
first part according to the readme txt, and trying to install the
desktop integration packages:

hugh-u@hugh-u:~/Downloads/LibreOffice_4.0.2.2_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS$
cd desktop-integration
hugh-u@hugh-u:~/Downloads/LibreOffice_4.0.2.2_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration$
sudo dpkg -i *.deb[sudo] password for hugh-u:
Selecting previously unselected package libreoffice-debian-menus.
dpkg: regarding libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.2-2_all.deb containing
libreoffice-debian-menus:
   libreoffice-debian-menus conflicts with libreoffice-bundled
libreoffice-core provides libreoffice-bundled and is present and
installed.

dpkg: error processing libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.2-2_all.deb
(--install):
   conflicting packages - not installing libreoffice-debian-menus
Errors were encountered while processing:
   libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.2-2_all.deb
hugh-u@hugh-u:~/Downloads/LibreOffice_4.0.2.2_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration$


Please help if you can. Thank you

Hugh Lupien

   Ubuntu includes their own version of LibreOffice which includes
this : libreoffice-common which contains the menu entries. When you ran
sudo dpkg -i *.deb in the desktop-integration folder, you are trying to
overwrite what is contained in libreoffice-common. That is when you get
your error. (This has been happening to me for more than 10 years.)
   So, what do I do? First of all I have installed Synaptic from the
Ubuntu repositories using
sudo apt-get install synaptic. Then open Synaptic (Applications  System
Tools  Adminstration). You will have to enter your user password to
open this program. Then enter libreoffice in the Search box and click
the Search button. Remove all the packages that contain libreoffice in
the Installed Version column. (Right click the program and select Mark
for Removal. When you have marked all of the appropriate programs, click
the Apply button. At the top. A window appears labeled Summary. Double
check that you have not accidentally marked a program for removal that
should not be removed. Also make sure

Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles



NO
it was a Writer file from the 3.4.x days.

The file needed a lot of work and additions to reflect the changes from 
3.6.x to 4.0.x.  I was not the one who created the document, but I had 
it for over a year and finally had some time to work on that 
documentation.  I almost gave up.  The person must have done a lot of 
experimentation with every style option in the document, even where it 
was not needed.  I even found a sentence that has just a few words in it 
with their own style that was not used anywhere else.  I ended up going 
back to an exported unformatted .txt file and starting over from there.


I hope the guy did not write the LO document in Word, but he could of, 
since he still has Word 2007, if I remember correctly.  I use to use 
both Word 2003 and LO in the early days on a Win XP system, since I had 
to give others Word documents, so I made sure the LO .doc file looked 
correctly in Word.  Sometimes it was easier to just do the editing in 
Word when I was using my laptop at their home or office.  Now I just use 
4.0.x on all my Windows systems, since it is better at dealing with the 
.doc/.docx files I am getting via email.  I never went beyond MSO '03.


The KISS standard is something many experimenters do not use many 
times.  They want to be to creative for my tastes.


BUT
as for the original posting. . . .
I really like the idea of teaching people to use LO in the higher 
education environments.  The younger crowd would be easier to teach 
since they were not so frozen onto the MSO mentality and concepts.  
Making learning fun and people of all ages might learn more in a faster 
time and enjoy the learning process more than I found in most of my 
college courses, and in the high school courses I had to teach as a 
substitute teacher.


Templates vs. Styles is a whole different discussion with pros and cons 
with each.  For the business world, templates might be easier to deal 
with for the user, since they do not need to remember which styles go 
with which document[s] they are required to make. Then you do not need 
to see if the master document creator's work with styles gets to work 
with all of the user's individual desk systems.  I really do not know 
how to import a number style from computer to another so they can be 
used on different documents.  The same problem might come up with one 
writer including a font in their document that the next person using it 
does not have that font installed.  The document states/displays the 
correct font in the font drop-down window, but Writer tries to use a 
different installed font as a substitute.



On 04/30/2013 08:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think you are thinking of Word rather than Writer.  Also you are talking about 
House Styles for different companies, different institutions, different 
professors.  Language and fashions do  evolve too as you were also saying.


In Word Styles do tend to get very messy very quickly and it's overly 
complicated.  Plus you can never be sure that a style's definition will hold 
all the way through a document.


By contrast LibreOffice Styles Cascade (a bit like Css but different) so it's 
easy to change (for example the font of) one level of headings and find that change 
ripples out to other relevant styles.  KISS for internally consistent documents.


Regards from

Tom :)







From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 12:47
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles



I no longer need to write in any required style or page format. SO, I never got into using styles. 
 But you have a valid point in needing students to learn how to use it.  The fact that writing 
style requirements change every so often.  I went to 4 colleges and received 3 degrees.  The 
problem I had was that every time I went back to college, the standards for foot notes, 
indexing, bibilography, and many other things I learn in one college English/Writing course changed.  I 
ended up taking English and Writing courses several time to learn the new standards that the colleges 
were teaching and required for any paper to be turned into the professors.  Then there are those classes 
that require specific formatting and styles for their paperwork.

If you create a set of styles, one per class/course/teacher, then you can write 
the documents and then apply the styles needed by the professor, or even the 
business reader.

I myself have run across times where using styles would work for me, but I 
never really learned how to use them correctly.  Never took the time.

Tom's and other postings about getting students to compete in how fast it would be to format a 
mangled text to a predefined style and the others doing it the hard way.  Then having the 
students compete in a race to see who can create a style from scratch for the document.  I bet there would 
be different version created that do the same end

Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Spacing

2013-05-02 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



Are you asking for:
specific paragraphs have the spacing?
specific lines within the paragraphs have the extra spacing?
specific highlighted single line of text, like paragraph headers, have 
the spacing?


I am not sure exactly what you want modified.



On 05/01/2013 11:54 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:58 01/05/2013 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
I see in Writer 3.6.2.2 under Paragraph you can change the spacing 
settings.


Line spacing is both a paragraph and a paragraph style property.

I've experimented with this without reaching my objective of changing 
the spacing from Single to something greater than single but less 
than 1.5.


Note that you are here presumably meaning proportions: by 1.5 you 
mean 50% more spacing than standard.


My goal is to create more space than single space between certain 
(but not all) lines of text throughput the document but I'm not sure 
how that can best (and easily) be done.


You may be certain about which lines you mean, but as yet no-one else 
is!  How you do this might depend on exactly how these lines are defined.


I've tried highlighting just the lines of text I want changed and 
then right clicking to Paragraph and then choosing At least 1.25 and 
it changes *all* the text in all the lines in the document. Same was 
true using Fixed and Proportional.


First, note that line spacing of At least refers to a distance, not 
a proportion, so 1.25 here would (unlike above) not mean 25% more 
than standard but 1.25 in whatever is your chosen measurement unit - 
centimetres, inches, or whatever.  If you want 25% more than standard, 
choose Proportional and 125% instead.


If this change affects all your text, then your entire document must 
be in one paragraph.  Divide your document into paragraphs (using 
Enter) and apply this change to the relevant paragraphs. Note that if 
you right-click and select Edit Paragraph Style... instead of 
Paragraph... you will affect all paragraphs in the same style as the 
current paragraph - and that may well include all your text in a 
simple but multi-paragraph document.


I'd appreciate your insight about how to change spacing text for just 
certain lines of text.


Divide your document so that the text that needs extra spacing is in 
separate paragraphs.  Either set the line spacing for these paragraphs 
to a larger value or - better still - create a paragraph style with 
extra line spacing and apply this style to the relevant paragraphs.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Terrible problem with LibreOffice Word

2013-05-02 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/02/2013 01:28 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I'm using the latest build of LibreOffice on a Linux box.

Here's my problem.  How do I use regular expressions to find hard carriage
returns at the end of lines?  I can find those created by using
shift-enter, using \n, but I don't see anything in the list of regular
expressions that lets me find hard returns.  Is there some code that should
be included in the list of regular expressions?

Thanks.





Have you looked at the document with
View Nonprinting Characters

That shows a lot of the things like the tab characterand the 
carriagereturnthat is withing the document.


They are not shown as the slash format, like the \n, \t, etc..

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: colour printing bug in Writer?

2013-05-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/05/2013 06:29 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Raymond,

Le 28/04/13 11:02 AM, L O a écrit :

Hi

I have made a writer document with two colour pictures in it and a 
bit of

text. When I print the document on a Samsung CLP-320 in colour mode then
they are printed like sephia (that is how it looks like most). When I
print the same picture straight from Windows (same machine and printer),
the print comes out in colour... So is there a setting in Writer which
causes this, or is Writer doing something to my print stream to get this
strange output?

Any help would be appreciated.

Raymond



Try to see if the right device is picked in the LibreOffice print 
section.  Print-Properties-Device


Sometimes the wrong driver is picked.

Cheers,

Marc



Are you saying you are doing both tests using Windows? One with Writer 
and one outside of Writer? Or is it a Windows vs. Linux question?


I run Ubuntu most of the time, and I prefer it. Let me say this about 
some Linux drivers for some printers. I have found that some color 
printerdrivers, HP color laser driver the worst, that some of these 
Linux drivers tend to get the colors for the images wrong.  The HP Color 
Laserjet 2600, I hadbut now dead, tended to print the images more 
towards the brown shading.  I have seen other Linux drivers do the 
same.  Mostly HP printers.  I have seen it on an Epson Artisan 810 
inkjet printer, but not too noticeable unless you place the Windowsprint 
side-by-side with the Linux print.


Now, as I was reminded recently, you may have a choice of drivers types 
for your printer. I see the following options for Print  Properties  
Device, in the Printer Language Type box.


Automatic: PDF
Postscript (Level from driver)
Postscript Level 1
Postscript Level 2
Postscript Level 3
PDF

I had some problems printing a complex document with the default setting 
of Automatic: PDF, yet, when I changed the option to Postscript Level 
3, it worked fine.


So, please try Postscript Level 3 first, then try the others to seewhich 
one prints the best.


ALSO,
For my printers, I am able to access some printer controls that will 
modify the ink density and the color shading to make the printer's color 
prints look more like the color standards for the printing industry.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/05/2013 05:01 AM, Milos Sramek wrote:

Hi,

I observe that LibreOffice and MS Office display even simple 
documents, containing just a few paragraphs with numbered and bulleted 
lists, differently. These differences are from both sides: a document 
is created in LO, stored in odf and opened in MSO (2013) and vice 
versa: created in MSO, stored in docx and opened in LO.


I would like to understand the situation and to know
- if it is just a bug (perhaps on both sides)
- if some standard local settings are applied, which result in 
different display
- if it is a fundamental problem residing deep in the ODF and OOXML 
standards

- if the reason is somewhere else

Do you have an idea?
Thanks
Milos



For Writer's .docx display, the developers had to create the 
driver/filter from scratch, since MS does not offer hardly any 
information about their format.  MS wanted it to be the International 
Standard but they would not provide all of the needed openness needed 
for other to use it.  As of MSO's display of .odt, well itis the same 
mindset.  MS decided to go their own way with their use of that file 
format.  Personally, I think MS is deliberatelymaking issues to 
prove that the ODF does not, and will not, work as a International 
Standard and people should not use it [and buy MSO instead of using FOSS 
packages like LO].


ODF is fully open and fully defined

OOXML is not fully open and not fully defined due to proprietary format 
information that is included with it [as far as I have been told].


Also, if I was going to send documents back and forth between a LO user 
and MSO user, I would use the older formats like .doc and the other from 
pre MSO 2007 format changes.


by the way.
MSO 2013 can read MSO 2010 .docx files.
MSO 2010 may not be able to read MSO 2013 files.
The same goes with MSO 2007 and 2010.
MS keeps changing their OOXML formats with every new version of Office.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: colour printing bug in Writer?

2013-05-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/05/2013 04:00 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:


On 2013-05-05 22:29, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Raymond,

Le 28/04/13 11:02 AM, L O a écrit :

Hi

I have made a writer document with two colour pictures in it and a 
bit of
text. When I print the document on a Samsung CLP-320 in colour mode 
then

they are printed like sephia (that is how it looks like most). When I
print the same picture straight from Windows (same machine and 
printer),

the print comes out in colour... So is there a setting in Writer which
causes this, or is Writer doing something to my print stream to get 
this

strange output?

Any help would be appreciated.

Raymond



Try to see if the right device is picked in the LibreOffice print 
section.  Print-Properties-Device


Sometimes the wrong driver is picked.

Cheers,

Marc

Hi. I can't print landscape from LO direct to my printer and have to 
print to PDF first. Try printing to PDF and see if the PDF prints 
colour. If so it may be a LO/Driver issue.

Steve




Which Windows OS?  or is it Linux?

Do you see controls for Landscape?  What does it do if you choose it?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-06 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/06/2013 02:15 PM, Doug wrote:

On 05/06/2013 12:11 PM, Urmas wrote:

Milos Sramek:

I observe that LibreOffice and MS Office display even simple 
documents, containing just a few paragraphs with numbered and 
bulleted lists, differently. I would like to understand the 
situation and to know


This is an intentional strategy of vendor lock-in using ODF document 
formats. The competitive formats are implemented not fully or with 
deliberate errors 
Is this also true if you use MS 1997~2003 .doc format?  And if not, 
then why not use that format?


--doug



Every MSO will work fine with .doc from 2003 through 2013.
Most FOSS packages work well with it as well.

For me, if I need to deal with MSO users, 99% should have 2003 or later 
so I am 99% sure that any .doc file will work fine with their version of 
MSO.  I do not send .docx in case the user runs 2003. That is where I 
stopped getting MSO.


I have a lady who sends me, and everyone else her .docx files that are 
unreadable by anyone that does not have the newest MSO. Since she does 
not want anyone to edit it, I told her about using PDF file instead, or 
at least .doc files.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to turn off the global menu

2013-05-07 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/07/2013 06:48 AM, William Drago wrote:

All,

I am using LO 4.0.2.2 in Ubuntu with the Unity desktop. I want to turn 
off the very annoying global menu and put the menu back where it 
belongs. In Firefox there's a very convenient setting to enable or 
disable global menu integration. Is there anything like that in LO?


BTW, I don't want to get too far off topic, but can someone explain to 
me why putting the menu way off on the top of the screen is better 
than keeping it close to the application? Am I not using it correctly?


Thanks,
-Bill



I wonder if the developers added that option.

The top of the screen menus is a Unity feature and the developers made 
sure that LO was compliant with Unity's menu formatting.  I do not like 
that, or Unity's menu and desktop design, so I use Ubuntu 12.04 and 
13.04 with MATE as the desktop environment.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Arabesque font that is really English


On 05/08/2013 09:03 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I have a good Arabic font but it's in Arabic.  I've got to get a poster 
together for an Arabic ladies coffee morning and having trouble finding a font 
that looks vaguely Arabic but is in fact English.  DOes anyone know of a good 
free one?
Regards from

Tom :)


Many non-English fonts keep the Latin letters for the initialglyphs.  
What you are looking for is a font that does not have any Latin glyphs?


When I have a few minutes, I will see if I have one.

Any particular style in mind?  Any dialect?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Arabesque font that is really English



That is a lot different than Arabic fonts.

Well, I miss understood you email
I just sent you a link to a zip file of all of true Arabic fonts I had - 
182 files.


Well if you want swirls and such, it sounds like a brush or 
calligraphy style.


On 05/08/2013 10:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Not quite.  It has to be readable as English

Just with a style that looks vaguely Arabic or reminiscent of Arabic swirls.

Actually Stuart's idea inspired me so i jumped on a Windows machine and got 
something that is quite nice and is good enough.  It's only for a coffee 
morning so i'm happy to run with what i have already.  It might be good to have 
something better for the future though! :)
Regards from
Tom :)








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To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 15:46
Subject: Re: Arabesque font that is really English



On 05/08/2013 09:03 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

I have a good Arabic font but it's in Arabic.  I've got to get a poster 
together for an Arabic ladies coffee morning and having trouble finding a font 
that looks vaguely Arabic but is in fact English.  DOes anyone know of a good 
free one?
Regards from  Tom :)  Many non-English fonts keep the Latin letters for the 
initialglyphs.  What you are looking for is a font that does not have any Latin 
glyphs?

When I have a few minutes, I will see if I have one.

Any particular style in mind?  Any dialect?






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Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Arabesque font that is really English



You always know where you can get specialty fonts.
One day I will made a set of DVDs and see about sending you a set.
Maybe a flash drive.

Nautilus tells me I have
230,730 items totaling 16.0 GB
in my font folders
[not including my Adobe font library folder]

There are some duplicates and once in a while I work on removing them.


On 05/08/2013 12:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Thanks :D  I already have a true Arabic font that is actually the kinda default 
one in some country, i think either Saudi or the USA but possibly India.  I'm 
never completely sure where anyone is.

However it's going to be great having different fonts to use in posters and 
such.

I've made quite a nice poster this time.  Next time it's going to be easier to 
be better.

Thanks all!!
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 16:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Arabesque font that is really English



That is a lot different than Arabic fonts.

Well, I miss understood you email
I just sent you a link to a zip file of all of true Arabic fonts I had -
182 files.

Well if you want swirls and such, it sounds like a brush or
calligraphy style.

On 05/08/2013 10:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Not quite.  It has to be readable as English

Just with a style that looks vaguely Arabic or reminiscent of Arabic swirls.

Actually Stuart's idea inspired me so i jumped on a Windows machine and got 
something that is quite nice and is good enough.  It's only for a coffee 
morning so i'm happy to run with what i have already.  It might be good to have 
something better for the future though! :)
Regards from
Tom :)








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To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 15:46
Subject: Re: Arabesque font that is really English



On 05/08/2013 09:03 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

I have a good Arabic font but it's in Arabic.  I've got to get a poster 
together for an Arabic ladies coffee morning and having trouble finding a font 
that looks vaguely Arabic but is in fact English.  DOes anyone know of a good 
free one?
Regards from  Tom :)  Many non-English fonts keep the Latin letters for the 
initialglyphs.  What you are looking for is a font that does not have any Latin 
glyphs?

When I have a few minutes, I will see if I have one.

Any particular style in mind?  Any dialect?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North American DVD Project


On 05/08/2013 02:09 PM, Pedro wrote:

Hi Tom

By your command :)

http://libreoffice-na.us/

Cheers,
Pedro



I think Drew created this page in the 3.3 days, but I do not use it for 
the NA-DVD project


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Americas_LibreOffice_DVD#Americas_LibreOffice_DVD_Project_Page

Here is the DVD download page.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.2

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North American DVD Project



Yes you are.
You are one of my readers who helped me get my edits correct.

All I am waiting for are the 4.0.3 installs, and then I will be making 
that DVD and uploading those files to the online version of the DVD.

Plus uploading the 4.0.3 artwork with that page.

All of the current documentation is listed there.


On 05/08/2013 03:42 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Thanks Pedro! :)  Hah, my name is on that page!  lol
Regards from
Tom :)







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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2013, 19:55
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North American DVD Project


On 05/08/2013 02:09 PM, Pedro wrote:

Hi Tom

By your command :)

http://libreoffice-na.us/

Cheers,
Pedro


I think Drew created this page in the 3.3 days, but I do not use it for
the NA-DVD project

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Americas_LibreOffice_DVD#Americas_LibreOffice_DVD_Project_Page

Here is the DVD download page.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.2

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw


On 05/09/2013 03:01 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

Le 09/05/2013 05:43, Jonathan Han a écrit :

Hello,

I checked on the website and tried to have this question solved, but 
could
not find an answer. Does LibreOffice Draw have line smoothing, like 
that in

Adobe Photoshop?



You're comparing apples and oranges.

Draw is a *drawing* tool ;) while Photoshop is an *image* manipulation 
tool (like Gimp, its free counterpart).


I'm not sure Draw can do line smoothing (never looked and suppose it 
dosn't but someone might jump in and give more details). Perhaps a 
combination of Draw and Photoshop might help? (Draw can export to 
image formats, see the File / Export menu)




Draw - vectorgraphics drawing - like Inkscape, Illustrator, or Corel Draw
think editing objects, boxes and lines


imageor photo editing - like GIMP, Photoshop, or Paint Shop Pro
think editing pixels

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[libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 64-bit DEB removed my extensions, but Windows version did not



I just installed 4.0.3 on two systems

The 64-bit DEB install removed my extensions and the persona I has setup.
The Windows install did not do this.

Any idea way the 64-bit DEB install in Ubuntu 12.04 would remove my 
added items, but Windows did not?


I do not know if it is a bug, or not.  If other have seen this, than it 
might be.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 64-bit DEB removed my extensions, but Windows version did not


On 05/09/2013 05:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 05/09/2013 03:40 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


I just installed 4.0.3 on two systems

The 64-bit DEB install removed my extensions and the persona I has 
setup.

The Windows install did not do this.

Any idea way the 64-bit DEB install in Ubuntu 12.04 would remove my 
added items, but Windows did not?


I do not know if it is a bug, or not.  If other have seen this, than 
it might be.
 It is a little difficult to say since you did not say what 
version of LibreOffice you had installed on the two systems. That is 
likely to be important. Also from where did you download LibreOffice 
4.0.3?
 I have installed 4.0.3.3 (Debian 64 Bit) that I downloaded from 
the LibreOffice website. I did not notice any problems. But this might 
have been because I already had 4.0.3.2 installed.


--Dan



Version 4.0.3.3 (Build ID: 0eaa50a932c8f2199a615e1eb30f7ac74279539)

I downloaded it today from the LO site, after it was announced.  I try 
not to download RCversions.


I had a different problem with the 13.04 Ubuntu I have on my laptop, 
which is an issue with 13.04 [I think since it effects more than LO].  I 
run Ubuntu with MATE desktop environment.


But on my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, I had the problem withthe loss of the 
extensions and persona. On 13.04 I did not have that issue, but an 
install problem until I removed all of the LO files with the Package 
Manager.  But it kept the extensions and persona.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 64-bit DEB removed my extensions, but Windows version did not

I extract them to the /home folder
then rename it to Lib
then I
cd Lib
cd DEBS
then
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

I tend to not run an command on a folder that I am not in.
I learned that in my mainframe days as a safety feature.

So far, I have installed it on Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 with MATE
desktop. I HATE Unity and GNOME 3.x.
Been using Ubuntu since 9.04 or 9.10 for a few months till 10.04 LTS
came out. I skipped 11.xx and when to 12.04 and 13.04.

13.04 gave me errors when I tried the desktop-integration install. Kept
giving me errors stating it was not matching the core install.

The only fix I came up with, for it on 13.04 was to remove the current
version of LO then install the new one over again.

On 05/09/2013 06:55 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Hi,

I installed LO 4.0.3.3 on two machines running Ubuntu 13.04 with Unity
today. I always download LO from the LO site, extract it to the
desktop, and then run the following commands in the terminal:

1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb

Everything was fine with both.

I've used this method since Ubuntu 9.04 in the days of OpenOffice, and
I've never had a problem with anything missing or failing.

Don

On 05/09/2013 06:00 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 05/09/2013 05:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 05/09/2013 03:40 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I just installed 4.0.3 on two systems

The 64-bit DEB install removed my extensions and the persona I has
setup.

The Windows install did not do this.

Any idea way the 64-bit DEB install in Ubuntu 12.04 would remove my
added items, but Windows did not?

I do not know if it is a bug, or not. If other have seen this,
than it might be.
It is a little difficult to say since you did not say what
version of LibreOffice you had installed on the two systems. That is
likely to be important. Also from where did you download LibreOffice
4.0.3?
I have installed 4.0.3.3 (Debian 64 Bit) that I downloaded from
the LibreOffice website. I did not notice any problems. But this
might have been because I already had 4.0.3.2 installed.

--Dan

Version 4.0.3.3 (Build ID: 0eaa50a932c8f2199a615e1eb30f7ac74279539)

I downloaded it today from the LO site, after it was announced. I try
not to download RCversions.

I had a different problem with the 13.04 Ubuntu I have on my laptop,
which is an issue with 13.04 [I think since it effects more than
LO]. I run Ubuntu with MATE desktop environment.

But on my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, I had the problem withthe loss of the
extensions and persona. On 13.04 I did not have that issue, but an
install problem until I removed all of the LO files with the Package
Manager. But it kept the extensions and persona.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 64-bit DEB removed my extensions, but Windows version did notI

2013-05-10 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

YES, it works for you but I am not using Unity.
How many users with MATE are having the same issues?
Do anyone using KDE or the other desktop have any issues.

I know that there has been work done to make the DEB install work
properly with Unity.
Has there been any work to make sure it works as well with the other
desktops?

That might be the issue here.
MATE and Cinnamon are the desktops for people who liked GNOME 2.x style
of desktop and did not want to switch to Unity, GNOME 3.x, KDE or the
others. I hate Unity and GNOME 3.x. The same reasons I hate Win8's
desktop. If you read the articles, you will find many users went to
Mint Linux and other distros to get away from Unity. Mint having both
MATE and Cinnamon desktop versions, got a lot of users from Ubuntu. I
stuck with Ubuntu, but chose MATE desktop environment.

SO
it may be a MATE issue, or may not.
So I ask if any MATE or Cinnamon desktop users are having the same issues.

On 05/09/2013 10:25 PM, Don Myers wrote:
I installed LO 4.0.3.3 tonight on a third computer, also with Ubuntu
13.04 and with Unity. No problems there either.

On 05/09/2013 08:19 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I extract them to the /home folder
then rename it to Lib
then I
cd Lib
cd DEBS
then
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

I tend to not run an command on a folder that I am not in.
I learned that in my mainframe days as a safety feature.

13.04 gave me errors when I tried the desktop-integration install.
Kept giving me errors stating it was not matching the core install.

The only fix I came up with, for it on 13.04 was to remove the
current version of LO then install the new one over again.

On 05/09/2013 06:55 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Hi,

I installed LO 4.0.3.3 on two machines running Ubuntu 13.04 with
Unity today. I always download LO from the LO site, extract it to
the desktop, and then run the following commands in the terminal:

1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb

Everything was fine with both.

I've used this method since Ubuntu 9.04 in the days of OpenOffice,
and I've never had a problem with anything missing or failing.

Don

On 05/09/2013 06:00 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 05/09/2013 05:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 05/09/2013 03:40 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I just installed 4.0.3 on two systems

The 64-bit DEB install removed my extensions and the persona I
has setup.

The Windows install did not do this.

Any idea way the 64-bit DEB install in Ubuntu 12.04 would remove
my added items, but Windows did not?

I do not know if it is a bug, or not. If other have seen this,
than it might be.
It is a little difficult to say since you did not say what
version of LibreOffice you had installed on the two systems. That
is likely to be important. Also from where did you download
LibreOffice 4.0.3?
I have installed 4.0.3.3 (Debian 64 Bit) that I downloaded
from the LibreOffice website. I did not notice any problems. But
this might have been because I already had 4.0.3.2 installed.

--Dan

Version 4.0.3.3 (Build ID: 0eaa50a932c8f2199a615e1eb30f7ac74279539)

I downloaded it today from the LO site, after it was announced. I
try not to download RCversions.

I had a different problem with the 13.04 Ubuntu I have on my
laptop, which is an issue with 13.04 [I think since it effects more
than LO]. I run Ubuntu with MATE desktop environment.

But on my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, I had the problem withthe loss of
the extensions and persona. On 13.04 I did not have that issue, but
an install problem until I removed all of the LO files with the
Package Manager. But it kept the extensions and persona.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Printer settings

2013-05-10 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/10/2013 09:07 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Malcolm Moore wrote (10-05-13 09:41)

Somehow I have changed my printer settings to use the bypass tray and
for the life of me I can't work out how to get it to go back to auto

I tried setting it in spadmin but the LO apps ignore it
I tried removed ~/.config/libreoffice and that doesn't work


LibreOffice typically does this in the page styles.
Format  Page opens the settings for the page style used in the 
current page. On the tab called Page there is that setting.


I would know of no way (apart from automating) to change the setting 
for all documents and such.


When the setting is changed for all your new documents, then you may 
have to set/change the default template.


HTH,
Cor




How did you change you printer settings?

Did you set the Properties  Paper  Paper Tray or did you set it 
through the openSUSE's version of Ubuntu's System  Administration 
Printingand sent the printer's options there?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 64-bit DEB removed my extensions, but Windows version did notI

2013-05-10 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

Here is the error I got when I tried to install 4.0.3 on an Ubuntu 13.04
with MATE de.
I installed the files without errors till I got to the
desktop-integration part.

Here is the listing from the terminal.

timothy@timothy-Inspiron-1525:~/Lib/DEBS/desktop-integration$ sudo dpkg
-i *.deb

Selecting previously unselected package libreoffice-debian-menus.
dpkg: regarding libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb containing
libreoffice-debian-menus:

libreoffice-core conflicts with libreoffice-unbundled
libreoffice-debian-menus provides libreoffice-unbundled and is to be
installed.

dpkg: error processing libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb
(--install):

conflicting packages - not installing libreoffice-debian-menus
Errors were encountered while processing:
libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb
timothy@timothy-Inspiron-1525:~/Lib/DEBS/desktop-integration$

So, to get rid of the issue, I went to the Package Manager and removed
all of installed LO files.

Then I reinstalled LO 4.0.3 and the menu part.

libreoffice-core conflicts with libreoffice-unbundled
seems to tell me that I must uninstall the previous version on 13.04
before I install the next one. I got this with installing 4.0.2 as well
on this system.

This is the second laptop that was upgraded from 12.04 or 12.10 to
13.04, with this system being a clean install over an upgrade.

On 05/10/2013 10:30 AM, Don C. Myers wrote:
Hopefully there are some folks out there who are using the other
desktops who can help you and give you some feedback. I don't know
anybody who is using them to check with. Sorry.

On 05/10/2013 10:05 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

YES, it works for you but I am not using Unity.
How many users with MATE are having the same issues?
Do anyone using KDE or the other desktop have any issues.

I know that there has been work done to make the DEB install work
properly with Unity.
Has there been any work to make sure it works as well with the other
desktops?

That might be the issue here.
MATE and Cinnamon are the desktops for people who liked GNOME 2.x
style of desktop and did not want to switch to Unity, GNOME 3.x, KDE
or the others. I hate Unity and GNOME 3.x. The same reasons I hate
Win8's desktop. If you read the articles, you will find many users
went to Mint Linux and other distros to get away from Unity. Mint
having both MATE and Cinnamon desktop versions, got a lot of users
from Ubuntu. I stuck with Ubuntu, but chose MATE desktop environment.

SO
it may be a MATE issue, or may not.
So I ask if any MATE or Cinnamon desktop users are having the same
issues.

On 05/09/2013 10:25 PM, Don Myers wrote:
I installed LO 4.0.3.3 tonight on a third computer, also with Ubuntu
13.04 and with Unity. No problems there either.

On 05/09/2013 08:19 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I extract them to the /home folder
then rename it to Lib
then I
cd Lib
cd DEBS
then
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

I tend to not run an command on a folder that I am not in.
I learned that in my mainframe days as a safety feature.

So far, I have installed it on Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.04 with MATE
desktop. I HATE Unity and GNOME 3.x.
Been using Ubuntu since 9.04 or 9.10 for a few months till 10.04
LTS came out. I skipped 11.xx and when to 12.04 and 13.04.

13.04 gave me errors when I tried the desktop-integration install.
Kept giving me errors stating it was not matching the core install.

The only fix I came up with, for it on 13.04 was to remove the
current version of LO then install the new one over again.

On 05/09/2013 06:55 PM, Don Myers wrote:

Hi,

I installed LO 4.0.3.3 on two machines running Ubuntu 13.04 with
Unity today. I always download LO from the LO site, extract it to
the desktop, and then run the following commands in the terminal:

1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb

Everything was fine with both.

I've used this method since Ubuntu 9.04 in the days of OpenOffice,
and I've never had a problem with anything missing or failing.

Don

On 05/09/2013 06:00 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 05/09/2013 05:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 05/09/2013 03:40 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I just installed 4.0.3 on two systems

The 64-bit DEB install removed my extensions and the persona I
has setup.

The Windows install did not do this.

Any idea way the 64-bit DEB install in Ubuntu 12.04 would
remove my added items, but Windows did not?

Re: [libreoffice-users] computer network pictures

2013-05-16 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/16/2013 05:49 AM, HdV wrote:

On 2013-05-16 09:11:03 Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

Hi all,

My collegues asked me to draw a network  server topology.
They would like more sexy pictucres than rectangles and circles:

Would you have a Drawing template to have nice computer  network
pictures?

Example:
http://www.fr3d.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/network-current.png

You can use any picture you want. What I do is add all pictures I like for a
specific topic to a Draw file and add gluepoints to them. From that file I 
select
the image I need and copy it to the file I am working on. If you add the
gluepoints wisely, then you can resize and reposition the image and the
connectors will just follow it. You can even define what direction the
connectors should prefer. To bad Draw won't allow you to do this in a more
elegant way, but for me using template file works OK.

P.S. I would advise you to make your images transparent before copying them to
the template file. That way you can use them on any background in future use.

P.P.S. Search the intenet for Visio stencils or other image collections you
like. I don't have a URL handy right now, but Googling for Cisco Systems
Corporate Iconography will point you in the right direction.

HTH

Grx HdV



To be honest, there are a lot of free clipart sites out there that has 
free computer and network related pictures/graphics.  I have not looked 
for these in a few years, but I had to do a project like your image and 
found all I needed on those free clipart sites.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Uninstall LibreOffice 4.0.2

2013-05-17 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

I have had this problem before myself, but with Ubuntu 13.04 mostly.

The Ubuntu software center does not remove all of the older version. It
is not just the menu system. Somehow the system still tell you that the
previous version's core is still installed and the new menu system is
different than the core info. It did not happen when I went from 4.0.0
to 4.0.1, but .2 and .3 seems to be doing this.

There is something remaining from the previous version that trips the
menu install.
I use 12.04 and 13.04 but with MATE as my desktop environment. The error
happens when I run Unity as well.

The apt-get remove command is something I forget most times. So I use
a different process.

I go to the Synaptic Package manager and search for libreoffice
Then I click on the box column to have all the green ones in a row at
the top of the list.

Then I check all of the green boxes for removal/uninstall.

After the files are uninstalled, I use the terminal to do the full 4.0.3
install, both parts.

On 05/16/2013 09:35 PM, Don C. Myers wrote:
Below is the method I've used for originally OpenOffice, and now
LibreOffice. This is for a 64 bit install. I've done 3 clean installs
of Ubuntu 13.04, and replaced the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice with
the Document Version of 4.0.3.3 on each machine without issue. This
method has never failed me:

Instructions for the 64 Bit Debian Version:
Download LibreOffice_4.0.3.3 to the desktop.
Right click on it and extract it to the desktop. This will give you
the folder LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb

Run the following terminal commands to install it:
1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i
~/Desktop/LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb

4. Drag Icons from Dash to the Unity Launcher Bar if using Unity.

Don

On 05/16/2013 07:31 PM, CVAlkan wrote:

Hi Steve:

No, none of the modules run (--writer, calc, etc.)

There's apparently some older ubuntu menu integration stuff still on the
machine - possibly even leftover from my 3.6 installation.

Frank

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Replying to users

2013-05-22 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/22/2013 07:44 AM, James Knott wrote:

Kieran Peckett wrote:

For
example, you will only receive one of this message, even though the 
list is

in the Cc.


Actually, I received 2 copies.  One from the list and one from you. 
What's worse is I generally respond to the first one I read, which is 
usually the direct copy.  This means I am not replying to a message 
from the mail list.





The two copies is why if I reply to the list, I do not add the 
poster's address in the TO, CC, etc. list.


If I have some extra info to include for the poster, like an image 
file, I will send an email directly to that person off the list.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Image wrapping




What version are you using and what OS?
 4.0.2? 4.0.3?
Win7, Win8? Mac? Linux?

What type of image?  JPEG, PNG?
How large it is in file size?


Let me get it correct. . .


You click on the image/picture.  Then you go to Format and the wrap, 
anchor, alignment, etc. are all grayed out.  Then you try right clicking 
on the image and the wrap/contour option - it crashes.


I just tried it on an image, that is a part of a LO brochure, with 4.0.3 
on 64-bit Debian install and it worked fine and no crashing.


So it may be in your install version or something got messed up in your 
user profile.


Try renaming your user profile and then when you open LO, a new clean 
one will be created.  If that does not work, then it may be the install 
itself.  Uninstall LO completely and reinstall it.



On 05/22/2013 07:29 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
What happens if you right-click on the image and choose Picture (or image 
or whatever)?

Have you tried renaming your User Profile yet?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Darragh AB darragh_ab...@hotmail.co.uk
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 11:23
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Image wrapping


Hi,
Whenever I try to wrap an image from the format bar, all of the options are 
greyed out apart from edit contour, and when I do edit the contour it 
immediately crashes.
Darragh
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list


On 05/22/2013 09:24 PM, Doug wrote:

On 05/22/2013 08:30 PM, Warner C White wrote:

I have the font files. I just can't get them to install.


Warner White
12 Harbor Watch Road
Burlington VT 05401
802-863-0182
www.warnerwhite.org
I think there should be  a fonts directory on your system. Just put 
the fonts in there with the rest, and then they should

be available to any program that uses fonts.

--doug



Is the font .ttf or .otf?

I know that some systems will allow you to just put the font in the font 
folder, with no issues, but I find that if you do a font install 
procedure, it may work better - for some systems.


I forget, are you using Win7 or other Windows OS?

For Windows, have you used their font installation procedure or did you 
just place the font into the font folder? Each Windows font install 
procedure seems to be a little different.  I tend to place all my 
to-be-installed fonts in their own folder. Then I use 
Control-Panel/Fonts and add the fonts there - for the older version of 
Windows.  For the newer versions of Windows. I just highlight the list 
of font files and right-click them and use the install option.  I 
never just place the fonts into the system's font folder directly.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list



OK
I just installed some of the listed fonts to my Ubuntu 13.04/MATE laptop.
I used the
highlight  right-click  open with the font viewer.

Then I install the fonts with the install button.

I had not problems.


On 05/23/2013 09:11 AM, Warner White wrote:

I am using Ubuntu, not Windows.

The fonts are ttf.
  
Warner White

12 Harbor Watch Road
Burlington VT 05401
http://www.warnerwhite.org




From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list


On 05/22/2013 09:24 PM, Doug wrote:

On 05/22/2013 08:30 PM, Warner C White wrote:

I have the font files. I just can't get them to install.


Warner White
12 Harbor Watch Road
Burlington VT 05401
802-863-0182
www.warnerwhite.org

I think there should be  a fonts directory on your system. Just put
the fonts in there with the rest, and then they should
be available to any program that uses fonts.

--doug


Is the font .ttf or .otf?

I know that some systems will allow you to just put the font in the font
folder, with no issues, but I find that if you do a font install
procedure, it may work better - for some systems.

I forget, are you using Win7 or other Windows OS?

For Windows, have you used their font installation procedure or did you
just place the font into the font folder? Each Windows font install
procedure seems to be a little different.  I tend to place all my
to-be-installed fonts in their own folder. Then I use
Control-Panel/Fonts and add the fonts there - for the older version of
Windows.  For the newer versions of Windows. I just highlight the list
of font files and right-click them and use the install option.  I
never just place the fonts into the system's font folder directly.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list



Have you any other versions of those fonts?
I wonder if the font files are corrupted.

I did not have that problem for me.



On 05/23/2013 10:05 AM, Warner White wrote:
I opened the font files with font viewer and they all list as already 
installed. And they show up in LO's font listing, but whenever I try 
to use one I just get a blank--the insert cursor disappears and no 
text. But if I change to, say, Arial, then the text reappears.


So the fonts are installed or sort of half-installed, and LO 
recognizes them to the extent of listing them, but refuses to use them.

Warner White
12 Harbor Watch Road
Burlington VT 05401
http://www.warnerwhite.org


*From:* Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:26 AM
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list


OK
I just installed some of the listed fonts to my Ubuntu 13.04/MATE
laptop.
I used the
highlight  right-click  open with the font viewer.

Then I install the fonts with the install button.

I had not problems.


On 05/23/2013 09:11 AM, Warner White wrote:
 I am using Ubuntu, not Windows.

 The fonts are ttf.

 Warner White
 12 Harbor Watch Road
 Burlington VT 05401
 http://www.warnerwhite.org http://www.warnerwhite.org/


 
 From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list


 On 05/22/2013 09:24 PM, Doug wrote:
 On 05/22/2013 08:30 PM, Warner C White wrote:
 I have the font files. I just can't get them to install.


 Warner White
 12 Harbor Watch Road
 Burlington VT 05401
 802-863-0182
 www.warnerwhite.org
 I think there should be  a fonts directory on your system.
Just put
 the fonts in there with the rest, and then they should
 be available to any program that uses fonts.

 --doug

 Is the font .ttf or .otf?

 I know that some systems will allow you to just put the font in
the font
 folder, with no issues, but I find that if you do a font install
 procedure, it may work better - for some systems.

 I forget, are you using Win7 or other Windows OS?

 For Windows, have you used their font installation procedure or
did you
 just place the font into the font folder? Each Windows font install
 procedure seems to be a little different.  I tend to place all my
 to-be-installed fonts in their own folder. Then I use
 Control-Panel/Fonts and add the fonts there - for the older
version of
 Windows.  For the newer versions of Windows. I just highlight
the list
 of font files and right-click them and use the install option.  I
 never just place the fonts into the system's font folder directly.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing font from font list


On 05/23/2013 01:00 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

On 23/05/13 16:02, Warner White wrote:

SOLVED!

Thanks to all of you for patiently talking this through with me until
I found the problem.

It was this--

First I put my fonts into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and when that
didn't work, I put them into home/.fonts. I remembered that just now
and deleted them from the former to see what would happen. And it
solved the problem. Now I have them all recognized and working.

But it's odd that the malfunction was so selective about which fonts
not to set up properly.


You probably forgot to update the font cache 'sudo fc-cache -f' when you
placed them in /usr/share...

[cut]



I never tried using the terminal to install fonts.
I do not have any good book reference to all of the things that can be 
done that way.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Missing font from font list

2013-05-24 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 05/24/2013 06:37 AM, DJViking wrote:

I managed to find the Bookman font (Actually called Bookman Old Style). I
placed it under ~/.fonts
Though I must admit I liked URW Bookman L much better.

When opening a document written in a specific font and that font is not on
the system, then what font is LibreOffice using?

OpenSuse 12.3
LibreOffice 4.0.3
KDE 4.10.3



I have been told that LO tries to use the font substitution list first - 
if there are any defined.  Then it seems that LO will use an internally 
defined default substitution font.  What that font may be, I have no 
idea.  Since Bookman is a serif, I would assume it would be the system 
default serif font.  I do not know the internals, but I would assume 
that one of the developers must have created a list of alternative fonts 
for the popular font names and looked at the installed fonts to see if 
there is an alternative font installed.  It is a simple process to do, 
after someone created a list of cross-referenced font names.


I was working on one a year or so ago, which was a rebuilding of one I 
lost back in the late 90's or early 2000's.  I have over 14 GB of font 
files - over 200,000 items - in my font folder[s].  I still have not 
sorted all of them out, and I have been working on it on-and-off since 
2006 or 2007.


Most standard serif fonts are 85% to 95% similar.  That was a figure I 
read about 20 years ago.


Bookman and Bookman Old Style are slightly different - the shape and 
amount of the serif definition seems to be the only difference I see.


The original - Old Style - derived from an 1858 font names Old Style 
Antique.  In 1901 Bookman Old Style was created.  This font was designed 
to be an alternative to Caslon and was tweaked for better use in books 
and other applications.


Bookman - not Old Style - seems to have been developed in the 1970's as 
a revival design of the Old Style version.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question

2013-06-01 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



We try our best to help as much as we can, but sometimes those of us who 
are reading these lists do not have an answer.


Yes, we talk about other issues than LibreOffice on some of these 
lists, but it should not be the main reasons to come and read them.


For the past few weeks, the questions I see are not something I could 
help with.  At least I was not sure of an answer and let others put in 
their two cents worth.


Yes, having cross-platform packages really are nice.  I run Ubuntu Linux 
most of the time, but I do need to use Windows once in a while due some 
non-cross-platform packages.  So, when I am using Windows on a laptop 
[not my main desktop since it is Ubuntu only] then I do not need to have 
a different package for my office suite needs.  That is really one of 
the best features of using LibreOffice - the cross-platform usability.


Yes, LibreOffice is not like many packages, since it is was designed to 
be used on many different platforms, and not just the ones listed.  Our 
developers are working hard to make LibreOffice work on as many 
platforms as they can.  They are working on making tablet versions, 
other than Windows OS tablet-like, touch screen, laptop devices.  An 
Android version is being worked on, but due to the limits of program 
space and other limitations, that LibreOffice will not be as fully 
functional as the Windows, Mac OS X, and various other Linux-based 
systems.  Also, there are tools to help make our office suite work 
better with certain platforms.  I use a 4 core Ubuntu desktop.  It was 
a better than middle of the road system when I bought it.  Right now, 
there is a emerging market for LibreOffice using the Raspberry Pi system 
that has some different Linux OS options.  That system's developers seem 
to have ported LibreOffice to work the best they can to their system.  
The figures I have heard from a web cast is they have reached the 
million unit mark.  Sure, not all of these usints will be running 
LibreOffice, but are being used for so many other options than a 
traditional computer, but the whole idea was that LibreOffice currently 
the only office suite that was ported to Raspberry Pi.  People are able 
to get LibreOffice to work on many more systems than is listed on our 
download site.


The re-training aspect is the one key aspect for moving from MSO to 
LibreOffice.  For that, many people I have talked to do not want to 
switch.  They will keep on using other packages they are use to using 
instead of taking the short amount of time to see how easy LibreOffice 
is in getting use to.  I switched to Linux as my main system in 2009, 
before LO came in to being, so I had only one choice, OpenOffice.org.  
Since LibreOffice is the best fork of that older package, I was able to 
easily switch.  Yes, I am guilty of the suing the same package that I 
am use to using issue/excuse.  I have a preferred paid for graphics 
package that has not ported to any other system.  It is a Win-only 
package. Yes, I am learning GIMP for my Linux-based systems, but after 
using a package for over 10 to 15 years, it is hard to switch and 
re-trin myself to be able to use a different package as well as the one 
I prefer to use.


I stopped getting MSO at the 2003 mark.  One reason was the fact that 
MSO changed everything to my view back them when MSO '07 came out.  I 
kept using it till I had a real big push to start using a different 
package.  Now, I struggle with someone else's system when they only 
have MSO '07 'or '10 installed.  I am now use to using LibreOffice now.


As for the multi-workplace option[s] in a Linux based system [yes OS X 
is sort of Linux based], I do not really use them.  I do know of others 
who really need to use them.  I know of a few Windows user who would 
love to be able to have that option.


So to answer the question of no answers to my question, like I 
stated before, sometimes we do not have a solution to the issue and we 
just do not reply to the question and say that.  That seems to be a fact 
of life, in the technology world.  YET, sometimes we might have enough 
idea[s] to try to work with the user and figure out were the problem 
comes from and solve it in the trial-and-error method.  Sometimes that 
is the only way.


I had an issue with duplex printing on Ubuntu with some printers. The 
solution was not obvious to see.  The check box solution was not even a 
part of the Window's version of Tools  Option  LibreOffice  General 
dialog box.  I needed to check the Use LibreOffice dialogs in the 
Print dialogs section.  That was not an option available with the 
Windows version.  Why did that simple check box option make the issue[s] 
go away on the printers that would not duplex directly from 
LibreOffice's printing system, no one knows.  It is just something that 
corrected the problem using the lets see what that does 
trial-and-error method of figuring out a solution.  That was many month 
ago for me, so the underlying issue[s]

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question

2013-06-01 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



Yes, there are those companies that help with the FOSS packages like 
LibreOffice.  Their help is very important to projects like LibreOffice.


I think having in-house versions are not good for many reasons, but the 
two are:  1] they are judged negatively by it for the issues brought up, 
even if they did not create the coding that was the trigger for the 
issue, 2] the good marketing potential to be a part of the open source 
movement by supporting and contributing to an open-source project.


The Raspberry Pi systems were developed for the educational market as a 
really low costing system for the school budgets.  The only office suite 
package ported to their version of Linux is LibreOffice.  Yes, RPi was 
designed to a cheap costing Linux-based computer to control other 
electronics, making things like media servers, robotics, and to control 
any number of other electronics from an adapter/daughter board.  Yes, I 
have stated about the mini super computer running Linux [about $2000 
USD for all the hardware and such].  Another cheap paperback book size 
system has done that as well.  If the students had a bad day and fried 
the RPi, it was much cheaper to replace it than a more traditional 
computer system.  It was designed for the low replacement costs if a 
bad day happened.


But the thing is that RPi was developed for the educational market and 
every one that is being used for that market, hardware or software 
experimentation, will be exposed in some degree to LibreOffice.  Either 
that it has been ported/compiled to be hardware optimized or actually 
using it on a RPi.


For Macs, yes I should have gone back the one more step to its Unix roots.

The key is that if you have a non-traditional Unix, Linux, or other OS 
and want to compile it to your specific hardware and OS combination, it 
is possible.  You do not need to stick with Windows, Mac OSX, or the 
standard .deb or .rpm Linux installs. Just having a package that will 
work on Windows, Mac and standard GnuLinux based systems.  It is also 
nice, except for Windows, you have a choice of CPU optimized versions 
for your system.  DEB/RPM - 32-bit or 64-bit.  Mac OSX - PPC or 
Intel/x86. Of course there is a Windows based portable version instead 
of the default Windows one, but it has its pros/cons over the 
standard/default installed Windows version.


The cross-platform option is one of the better concepts for marketing, 
besides the MSO file format compatibility.  You will not need to learn a 
different office package whether you are using Windows, Mac OSX or most 
GnuLinux systems out in the market today.  Also the support for an 
extremely large population base through the different language packs is 
a very good thing for non-English or multi-language users.  I had a lady 
from Israel tell me that, since she has to type documents up in English, 
French, Hebrew, and Arabic one in a while.  She told me that MSO did not 
support Hebrew and the other languages in a single install and could not 
get multiple language support for MSO on one system.


LO, supported and contributed by volunteers and tech companies alike.
LO, supports most computer OSs in the home and business markets - 
Windows, Mac, Linux.
LO, supports 100+ languages through its language packs, help packs, and 
some add-on extensions.


I doubt that MSO would ever get as far with all three of these lines 
like LO does.  LO can support more systems out in the market, but we 
need to convince more of the home, school, business, and governmental, 
markets and make our market share rise world wide.



On 06/01/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Not all our devs are volunteers.  Some are paid by various companies, notably SUSE but 
also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice.  Such companies might normally attempt to 
create their own in house product but instead choose to collaborate on 
creating something shared.

Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based.  GnuLinux are also unix-based. 
 So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do have differences.

Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with hardware 
experimentation such as control's for various types of robots.  One chap put 
quite a few together to create a super-server.  So significant numbers are not 
being used as desktop machines at all.

Regards from
Tom :)







From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 12:24
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question



We try our best to help as much as we can, but sometimes those of us who
are reading these lists do not have an answer.

Yes, we talk about other issues than LibreOffice on some of these
lists, but it should not be the main reasons to come and read them.

For the past few weeks, the questions I see are not something I could
help with.  At least I was not sure of an answer and let others put

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: no answers to my question

2013-06-01 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



Thanks for the links Girvin.

The whole point is not the specifics of the genealogy of the OSs that 
can be supported, but it does support them and can be easily ported to 
some others, as long as there are not any hardware issues like tablets.  
MSO would never support such a diverse market, like LO does and could be 
ported to.


---

I have a cross-platform package that has specific downloads for:
Windows
Linux - deb and rpg
Mac OSX
Solaris
HP-UX
and maybe AIX, if I remember correctly
plus a Java based version.

The key is not needing to learn a different package for each of the 
different hardware and OS combinations.  That is a big thing for people 
who use more than one OS.  I use Ubuntu/Linux for my main system, with 
dual booting laptops that have Ubuntu and Windows on them.


I choose OpenOffice, originally for the Windows and Linux cross platform 
options, and then switched to LO when it first came out. I really did 
not want to have two different packages for each productivity option 
[for the most part].  LO, GIMP, Inkscape, VLC, and some others, are 
installed on all my Ubuntu and Windows single or dual booting systems.  
That way I do not have to worry which OS I am using at that time on the 
document or graphics that I am working on for someone.  No need to 
switch systems or change to another boot on the laptops.  I just have to 
make that the data is on a disk partition [for laptops] that can be 
accessed by both Windows and Ubuntu, or on a USB drive [flash or big 
external] or on my network [if in range of my laptop when I am not in my 
place but 10 floors down in the common areas of the building].


On 06/01/2013 02:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:



Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Not all our devs are volunteers.  Some are paid by various companies, 
notably SUSE but also Redhat and others to work on LibreOffice.  Such 
companies might normally attempt to create their own in house 
product but instead choose to collaborate on creating something shared.
Macs are based on Bsd, which in turn is unix-based. GnuLinux are 
also unix-based.  So Bsd and GnuLinux share the same parent but do 
have differences. 
Just to keep the record straight, on Linux day #1, Linus Torvalds 
based his Linux on Minix  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX , which 
in turn was based on Unix.  I do believe the Minix disk filesystem is 
still included with today's Linux.  Yes, I just checked and it is (man 
mkfs.minix).  Then GNU had a bunch of *nix utilities, such as ls, tar, 
gcc, etc. which Linus merged into Linux.  Linux grew from that 
grafting ever since.  That is why Linux is referred to as GNU/Linux.  
To be accurate, the term Linux only refers to the kernel operating 
system, not the GNU tools. GNU/Linux is not Unix, but it is very close 
and the philosophy is very similar.  BSD and GNU/Linux are two 
branches of the same Unix tree.  Although a bit dated (the Linux 
kernel is now up to 3.x), here is a nice chart I just found: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history.svg


Clearing the air...
Girvin Herr

Apparently a lot of Raspberry Pis are used to play around with 
hardware experimentation such as control's for various types of 
robots.  One chap put quite a few together to create a super-server.  
So significant numbers are not being used as desktop machines at all.

Regards from Tom :)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Some issues about Writer

2013-06-02 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 06/02/2013 12:58 PM, NickKolok wrote:


Greetings from Russia, comrads!
I've installed Fedora and LibreOffice onto my girlfriend's computer. She 
started to use them some months ago and now we have some questions to you, dear 
developers.
1) There was a moment when LibreOffice alerted message like LibreOffice can't save 
important internal information (or smth like this). She couldn't close that 
messasge as well as save her work. We have been trying many things for ~2 hours, but the 
solution was to close Firefox. So, if such situations are possible, maybe it's worth to 
add tips to that message?
2) She finds unability to crop images visually in Writer very unconvenient. I mean that 
there is no tool Crop is available in Writer but there is such a tool in Draw 
(with scissorson icon). Moreover, there IS such a toll in Impress! So, can we wait and 
hope than once it will appear in Writer, too? Or there is a high reason for this fact, 
e.g. unix-way?
Thank you for your attention and excuse me for my quite bad English.



Your English is not bad at all.

I use Ubuntu 12.04 - Debian based 64-bit installs - on my desktops.  I 
use MATE desktop environment instead of the default Unity, since it is 
more like the GNOME 2.x desktop.  I also use Windows 7 on some laptops.


Do you have any Firefox extensions for OpenOffice or LibreOffice 
installed?  The only thing I can think of, if you have to close 
Firefoxfirst, was that they were both linked by some extension or add 
on.  Of course, there is the question about if there were any web linked 
images or web page links in the document.  I do not know is there would 
be an issue there, but it still seem that the two packages are 
connected in some way and needed the Firefox connection to be shut 
down first.  It may be some issue within Fedora and its settings for 
both Firefox and LibreOffice.


Are you using Fedora's installed version of LibreOffice, or did you did 
you download it from the LibreOffice page?  What is your version of 
Fedora?  What is you desktop environment?


I never did much cropping withing a word processing package.  I always 
cropped the images in an external editor to the size I wanted, before 
using it.  I am not much of a Draw user, so if the image is in a bitmap 
file format, like JPG or PNG, I use a package like GIMP to do the cropping.


As for a reason for not having it within Writer, I can say this. . . The 
more non-text processing options within a word processor, the more 
complex and bloated the package will be.  Yes there needs to be things 
likeincluding images and other things like that, but adding the image 
editing options to a word processor was not a high priority items for 
most users.  If we included the basic image processing options from GIMP 
and Draw in Writer, then it would make that part of the office suite 
much more complex to maintain and to add new features. It can make a 
very big mess for both the developers and the users.  Microsoft Worduse 
to state that they added over 1000 new features in their newest version 
of their word processor. The problem was that most user I knew did not 
use most of these new features or the ones in Word were not as good as 
in an external package, like using GIMP for image editing/cropping. But 
Microsoft kept adding more and more to the point that their install 
would 2 to 3 times the drive space as is use to do thewith the previous 
versions.  I stopped using MS Office and Adobe's Photoshop and 
Illustrator years ago when they each needed over a gigabyte of drive 
space when my system had only 40 GB totalbetween two drives.


So the more non-word and text options you add to Writer the larger its 
install will be.  Also these options may not work as well as the 
currently free or open source package that are dedicated to do those 
things.  We had people wanting LibreOffice to have an email client [and 
more] like MS Office's Outlook/Exchange email client/system. Our 
developers would have to start from scratch for most things, while 
Thunderbird and Evolution have been developing their free clients for 
many years.  We could not compete with them.  We wanted to stick with an 
office suite. Many office suites do not include any type of image editor 
- like Draw - in their packages.  It just takes so long to develop. 
LibreOffice started with the old OpenOffice.org coding and Draw was 
already there, we we kept making it betteralong with the rest of the 
parts that makeup our office suite. Adding major image editing options 
to the word processor does not make much sense, for now. Impress uses 
images and slides, which is heavy image and text editing, so it is 
natural to have some internal options to work with these images, or at 
least more than Writer would need.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Default Superscript and Subscript size

2013-06-03 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



Tom, and the others. . . .

I do not find in the Tools menu options any place that defines the 
subscript and superscript sizes.  I know where to change the size from 
the 58% to 50% or other size, but not where that default size is stored 
and can be save for the next time.


I believe [but never done this] you could set the size and save it 
someway as the default document.  If that works, it may allow you to 
set the character size of the scripts to whatever works for your 
needs.  Or you could save a page, with the size change[s], as a template 
and us it that way.  But I never changed the default document or made 
template that actually show up when I save as template and then try to 
open a new document from the templates.  The paths shown in Tools  
Options  LibreOffice  Paths shows the save as template file 
locations in the hidden dot config folder system, which LO does not 
show the proper config template folder in the Open  Template options.


Maybe you can create another path for your saved templates, but right 
now, it does not work.  I think it is a bug in the 4.0.x system though.


So has someone made the bug report?

Any good and easy work around?

Saving a document as a .ott file and placing it into a personal or 
business template folder withing you standard My Documents type of 
folder for Windows, or  in Linux a 
/home/user/Documents/LibreOffice/business/templates/ type of folder.


It would be nice to be able to make the change to the superscript size 
and then it will reflect that change when you do another manual or 
automatic script set of characters.  like - 1^st , or 2^nd , H_2 O
[the st and the nd should shown as superscripted and the 2 in H2O 
should be subscripted]


On 06/02/2013 07:11 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Ahhh, that's where it is.  It's never made any kind of sense to me either.

Tools - Options - LibreOffice - User Data
  is the right place, i think.  Still, it doesn't need all field to be filled 
in apparently and even just any 1 field with about 1 word is plenty.

Thanks Girvin!
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Tim Vivian-Griffiths timv...@gmail.com; LibreOffice 
users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2013, 20:54
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Default Superscript and Subscript size


Is this the same bug that prevents things from working when the Tools
- Options - LibreOffice - User Data section is not filled in?
As a retired Electronic/Software engineer, I think that bug is silly and
sounds deliberate - especially since it has been known and not fixed for
a long time.  But that may just be my paranoia showing.
Girvin


Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
No worries about the duplicates to me.  Pressing Delete 3 times instead of 2 is 
pretty easy for me.

There is some weird bug that means a certain setting keeps getting forgotten 
when there is nothing in
File - Properties - Descriptions
but you don't need to fill it in substantially.  Even just a word per section 
is more than enough.  I don't think that is likely to be the problem because 
someone else would have picked it up by now.  So, i think starting a bug-report 
would be a good plan.

Regards from
Tom :)





   


From: Tim Vivian-Griffiths timv...@gmail.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com; LibreOffice 
users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2013, 14:20
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Default Superscript and Subscript size


Hi Tom

Sorry for the later reply on this. Thank you for this information,
really useful as I have never done it before. I'll also fill in that
information to see if it helps at all.

Thanks again,

Tim

PS, sorry for duplicating this Tom... I pressed Reply instead of
Reply-to-all the first time!

On 31/05/13 10:40, Tom Davies wrote:
 

Hi :)
Given the answers in the thread at AOO i suspect it is a bug.

Here is a guide to help post a bug-report.  Don't take it all too
seriously.  They ask for a lot but if it's not easy to give all that
straight away just post anyway.  Later on you can add comments so you
can get all the required information together in the report in a few
posts at your own pace.  It might be that they are able to help
without even having all the info straight away anyway.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

If this list does solve the problem you can always close the report
and let people know how and that might help those people over at AOO too.

Just out of curiosity do you have any of the general information, such
as user-name and stuff 'filled in'?  There was something that only
worked if you had at least 1 or 2 characters, even empty spaces in
there.  Aaargh, i'm at a Windows machine that doesn't have LibreOffice
or even OpenOffice, yet.  I might have to make sure i get the portable
version worked out in case i'm ever here again!

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ubuntu Menu Bar Option for LibreOffice

I do not use the Ubuntu Software Center to install LO or the Desktop
Integration files. I use the terminal.

I remember the Ubuntu/Unity top bar menus work for me before. But I
reinstalled 12.04 on that machine after I tested 13.04. I have not
updated LO on that laptop, yet, to 4.0.3. Though I do remember using LO
4.0.3 with Unity once. I prefer MATE desktop environment over Unity on
my desktop, but I decided to leave at least one laptop with only Unity
installed as a d.e.. The other laptop is being used as a testing
platform for Linux Mint and other Debian based distros.

4.0.4 comes out before the end of the month. If this was an issue or
bug known before, then it is a good bet that the 4.0.4 version might
have fixed it.

But to satisfy something that is in the back of my mind about a previous
issue I had with Ubuntu Software Center and LO, could you try
re-installing the desktop integration folder within Terminal?

Just open up the terminal and cd into the desktop-integration folder

it will be something like this
cd LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/desktop-integration

cd LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb
cd DEBS
cd desktop-integration

Then do
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

That is how I deal with my installs for LO, and through the Ubuntu
Software Manager.

ALSO
How did you get rid of the Ubuntu 12.04 version's install of LO?
There may have been some file or package from the older version that
should have been removed before you install the 4.0.3 version. I found
that to be very true when I was testing Ubuntu 13.04. I do know that if
I do not remove all parts of LO's link to the desktop environment's menu
system from the previous install, there can be some issues crop up with
the install of the new version's access to the menu system for the desktop.

I do not know if this will help you, but is did me with 12.04, 12.10,
and 13.04, from time to time, whether running Unity or MATE for a desktop.

On 06/04/2013 07:57 AM, CVAlkan wrote:

Hi Tom:

Thanks, but something else is going on.

What I downloaded was LibreOffice_4.0.3_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gz (dated Thu
16 May 2013 04:51:39 PM CDT).
When I unscrunched that I got a folder called
LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb
In the LibreOffice_4.0.3.3_Linux_x86-64_deb folder was a folder called DEBS
In the DEBS folder, along with all the basic LibreOffice stuff, was the
desktop-integration folder, **as you said**.
In that folder was libreoffice4.0-debian-menus_4.0.3-3_all.deb, which I had
already installed.
I double-clicked it, and the Ubuntu Software Center listed it as installed,
but since it had an option to re-install, I thought I would give that a
shot.
After re-installing, I checked Writer, and the menus were still in the
Writer screen, not on the Ubuntu top panel.
So I rebooted the machine and tried again.
Nope.

Libre Office shows Version 4.0.3.3 (Build ID:
0eaa50a932c8f2199a615e1eb30f7ac74279539) by the way.
I'm running Ubuntu 12.04LTS, and I fired up GIMP and Gramps just to make
sure they were displaying the Ubuntu/HUD menus (which they were), so I
suspect my problem is with LibreOffice and not with Ubuntu.

Do you (or anyone) have any idea what I'm missing, or where I should look?

Thanks again.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook published



Thanks Jean.

I just added it to the NA-DVD web page version so there will be a link 
there.


The Handbook will be a part of the 4.0.4 version of my DVD ISO file.

I also want to thank all of the German-to-English translation team 
members for all their hard work.  It is hard enough creating a handbook 
or guide content, let alone translate from one language to another and 
have the new language version include all of the ideas stated or 
implied in the new version one the way the original one meant it to be. 
[if I am saying this correctly].


The more native language references out there for LO users, the better.  
Too many software companies will write their documentation only in 
their region's language.  It is both good for our users and in a 
marketing sense to have our guides and handbooks in as many languages as 
possible.  Without out multi-language translation teams, we could never 
accomplish this important task.


Thanks to all of you.



On 06/04/2013 01:09 AM, Jean Weber wrote:

LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook has been published. Thanks to the
authors of the original German book and those who translated, edited,
and proofread the English translation. Free PDFs can be downloaded
from here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook
Printed copies can be purchased here:
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/libreoffice-36-base-handbook/13899494




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing a postscript file with proper formatting



I have used Ghostscript before, but it is not my most favorite printing 
system.


I prefer to use, for Ubuntu, CUPS print drivers or Postscript one for 
those printers I have that support it.



On 06/04/2013 05:21 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
Ghostscript runs on pretty well all flavours of Linux. It can usually 
convert a postscript file to raster (png). I think it is the back end 
to PS2PDF so results may not be too much better.

Steve

On 2013-06-04 20:50, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think this was meant to go to the list.


GhostScript sounds like a Windows app.  It might be worth trying though.

Regards from

Tom :)







From: Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013, 7:49
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing a postscript file with 
proper formatting



PostScript = deadlock, if you have some PS files , then tranfer them to
PDF (via Gostscript) and then you are back in business


On 4/06/2013 7:58, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
Is there a feature-request/bug-report about this format?  It might 
be worth posting one if there isn't.


It's a proprietary format so you are probably stuck with trying to 
find an appropriate version of the program that can open them well 
and then explore different output formats.  Wrong versions of the 
same program probably also mess the formatting up.

Regards from
Tom :)




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To: MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com
Cc: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013, 3:53
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing a postscript file with 
proper formatting




On 2013-06-04 09:54, MR ZenWiz wrote:

Is there any way to do this into Writer?

I have a number of files I originally created with FrameMaker (back
when I still used Windows), and I could never get it to create the
proper PDF output files, but I was able to create PS files from 
them.


Now I'd like to put them into ODT format so I can edit, or even just
view, them again in Writer.

I've tried using ps2pdf, but that doesn't format the file 
properly and
the output looks like crap.  One problem seems to be that the PS 
file
was created with a dual column format, and that seems to throw 
ps2pdf

way off (which is odd since it displays perfectly in the document
viewer, but that refuses to print the file to a PDF).

For that matter, does LO support importing FrameMaker files?  that
would be even better - I think.  I tried it but all I got was 500
pages of junk (the file is 24 pages long).

Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

At this point I'm looking at printing them all out, scanning them 
back

in and using the scanned PDFs, but that seems wrong.

Thanks.

MR


Hi. We had a cad systen that output PS. I used to import that into
Inkscape or Karbon and then create the PDF or an EPS if I was 
inserting

a diagram into a document.
Draw opens PDF reasonably well.
Steve



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ubuntu Menu Bar Option for LibreOffice


On 06/04/2013 10:21 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 10:05:31 -0400, CVAlkan fobe...@enteract.com wrote:


Thanks.

I'm a little confused, however. I know the desktop integration 
package is

specifically Debian, but as far as I know (although I haven't checked
lately) the only Debian version that uses desktop integration is Ubuntu.
Ergo, why include the package if it doesn't support Ubuntu?

Or is there more to it than that?

Someday I'll get all this stuff :)



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Not a dev but Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian and the desktop 
integration allows LO to be displayed in the menu list properly. For 
the specific Ubuntu integration you can use the version in the Ubuntu 
repository with the same LO version or install the LO Ubuntu 
repository to get the latest LO version.




OK
I agree with you about the top menu bar for Ubuntu/Unity 12.04

I just tested it out and File, Edit, and all of the other menu items I 
have in MATE, that should show up in Unity does not on my desktop/laptop 
with 12.04LTS when using Unity for the desktop.


Is this a bug? Or there something else going on.  I know I used LO 
before on Unity and had the top menu bar working fine.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ubuntu Menu Bar Option for LibreOffice


On 06/04/2013 05:27 PM, CVAlkan wrote:

To answer your questions How did you get rid of the Ubuntu 12.04 version's
install of LO?
After trying several alternatives, I ended up with [sudo apt-get remove
libreoffice*.*]. Before doing that the installation kept failing, so you
might be on to something there. Might I have missed a whole separate set of
packages?

Just for grins, I did the [sudo dpkg -i *.deb ] from the desktop-integration
folder again. That's actually how I originally installed the 4.0.3.3 version
originally. No change.

I guess this isn't all that important, but it worked before and the fact
that it doesn't with the version 4.0.3 might indicate something slipped
through the cracks that may have other less obvious effects. I went
immediately from the 3.6 flavor in Ubuntu Software Center to the 4.0.3
flavor, so I don't know if the change occurred in 4.0.3 or earlier in the
4.0 line.




That removal should do it, but I always check with the Synaptic Package 
Manager to see if there was anything missed.


 Why 12.04 does not install it by default, I have no clue.  It was t 
heir default package manager [other than Ubuntu Software Manager] for 
years.  I have been using S.P.M. since 8.10 or 9.04.  There are packages 
listed in that manager that I do not find, or find easily, with the 
Ubuntu Software Manager.


The top menus part of LO must have had a bug or something.  I know it 
worked before, and there was a lot of work to make it work, so why it 
does not work, well someone should know.  I wonder which was the last 
version that it worked with Unity's top menu system.


I went from 3.6.5 or .6 to 4.0.0.  But I dislike Unity and almost never 
open a session running it instead of MATE desktop.  So I am no help on 
where it stopped working.


As for less obvious and cracks, I had duplexing issues with half of my 
printer that had the duplexing hardware installed.  Nothing would get 
those to work properly with LO when they worked fine with other 
package.  It took checking the check-box for the Use LibreOffice 
dialogs under the Print dialogs option from 
ToolsOptionsLibreOfficeGeneral - plus that was not an option shown 
in the Windows version of LO, only Linux and may be only DEBs version.  
So that was a try this check-box and see what this does or changes.  
So it could be something like that.


There could also be some line in the config file[s] that got messed up.  
One of the things people tell others is to rename the LO folder of the 
.config hidden file.  Not the .libreoffice one that 3.5 and 3.6 [?] 
used.  Then reopen LO and LO will rebuild it like a clean install.  
There is some issues that DO crop up during the 3.5 to 3.6 and the 3.6 
to 4.0 upgrades and the updating to the new config file[s] format[s].  
It might be worth the effort.  My 3.6 to 4.0 update of the config file 
basically required me to re-install all my extensions and other add-ons 
and re-set-up all my options over again.  Wipe a lot out and what was 
left was corrupted or just not right.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing a postscript file with proper formatting


On 06/04/2013 05:52 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

[Grr - forgot to reply to all]

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Leonardo M. Ramé l.r...@griensu.com wrote:

On 2013-06-03 14:54:59 -0700, MR ZenWiz wrote:

Is there any way to do this into Writer?


Install Ghostscript and run gv (ghostview).


I have gs installed, but it did not include gv by default.  A quick
separate installation worked fine.  Thanks.

As a viewer gv's not too bad (or too good, really), but the print
option presents an lpr command, which I don't know how to express as a
command to print to a pdf.

The problem with the print option in the document viewer (evince) is
that it doesn't work to print to a file.  It complains that Printing
is not supported on this printer.

I haven't looked at all the other suggested options yet, but thanks to
all who've posted so far.

MR (not



Doesn't Ghostscript printer drivers/system have the ability to to 
emulate a physical printer like CUPS-PDF does on Linux and doPDF does 
on Windows.  That is not printing to a file, but printing to a software 
printing device.


I use CUPS-PDFand doPDF as my default printer on Linux and Windows systems.

SO, I do not remember, what are you trying to do again?
Print from LO to a printer that requires Postscript or PDF output 
formatting? Or is it something else.


I use the Postscript driver options on all the printers that have that 
option available.  The rest I have to tweak to see which driverand 
settings are the best. Tried 5 different version for a laser printer - 
each gave differentprint driver menu options at print time - and 4 
different ones for an older Epson Artisan 810 inkjet printer.  I kept 2 
of the 4 for its non-overlapping options.



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[libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-06 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

I never even heard of this office packages company.

If the commenter is correct, then CNET really need to rethink their
recommendations.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33153_7-57587824-10391733/kingsoft-office-2013-the-best-free-microsoft-office-alternative/

Kingsoft Office 2013: The best free Microsoft Office alternative?

Not only does it have the best interface around, it also brings
innovations like tabbed document viewing and drag-and-drop paragraph
adjustment.

Rick Broida
by Rick Broida
June 5, 2013 10:52 AM PDT

---

One of the replies to that article is as follows
---

the_brigadier
25 minutes ago

You do know Kingsoft is a communist Chinese company whose nation has
been conducting unrelenting hack attacks to strip America of all its
technology? If you can't build it, steal it is their credo. What better
way to open up a million backdoors then by offering free software that
exactly emulates Microsoft's flagship program.

By the way read their EULA very carefully. IT CLEARLY STATES THAT
ANYTHING CREATED USING THEIR SOFTWARE BECOMES THE PROPERTY OF KINGSOFT.
Have you read it Karyn? I downloaded this software several years ago
read that EULA and used Revo to deepscan uninstall that software. It had
put tendrils all through my computer. Revo is very good and got it all,
but don't be fooled.

This is part and parcel to China's hacking attempts and for cnet to
recommend it is both incredibly naive and questionable at best.

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

2013-06-06 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

well I never heard of that product and if there is any truth of what the
commenter states, I would not want to try it.

I really do not see any free office product that is better than
LibreOffice. I have been using LibreOffice since it was just about to
be released off of the release candidate stage. Have been supporting
LO since 3.3.2 or 3.3.3. I have been handing out brochures of one type
or another promoting LO, and CDs and DVDs with LO on them since the
spring/summer of 2011.

I believe that LibreOffice is better than MSO, not just a free
alternative to MSO. I stopped buying MSO with the 2003 release.

So, I do not agree with your article.

I believe in LibreOffice and all of its pros and cons. I use it and
promote it.

So, I have never heard of Kingsoft's office package. I have never seen
any other articles stating that Kingsoft was a good or great free package.

On 06/06/2013 02:55 PM, jack wallen wrote:

The author of that article was me...just so ya know.

I never even heard of this office packages company.

If the commenter is correct, then CNET really need to rethink their
recommendations.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33153_7-57587824-10391733/kingsoft-office-2013-the-best-free-microsoft-office-alternative/

Kingsoft Office 2013: The best free Microsoft Office alternative?

Not only does it have the best interface around, it also brings
innovations like tabbed document viewing and drag-and-drop paragraph
adjustment.
Rick Broida
by Rick Broida
June 5, 2013 10:52 AM PDT

---

One of the replies to that article is as follows
---

the_brigadier
25 minutes ago

This is part and parcel to China's hacking attempts and for cnet to
recommend it is both incredibly naive and questionable at best.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

 users
have data that is in obsolete file formats if not on obsolete media.

From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: LibreO - Marketing Global market...@global.libreoffice.org;
LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013, 19:48
Subject: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO
alternative is not LO

I never even heard of this office packages company.

If the commenter is correct, then CNET really need to rethink their
recommendations.

-

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33153_7-57587824-10391733/kingsoft-office-2013-the-best-free-microsoft-office-alternative/

Kingsoft Office 2013: The best free Microsoft Office alternative?

Not only does it have the best interface around, it also brings
innovations like tabbed document viewing and drag-and-drop paragraph
adjustment.
Rick Broida
by Rick Broida
June 5, 2013 10:52 AM PDT

---

One of the replies to that article is as follows
---

the_brigadier
25 minutes ago

You do know Kingsoft is a communist Chinese company whose nation has
been conducting unrelenting hack attacks to strip America of all its
technology? If you can't build it, steal it is their credo. What better
way to open up a million backdoors then by offering free software that
exactly emulates Microsoft's flagship program.

By the way read their EULA very carefully. IT CLEARLY STATES THAT
ANYTHING CREATED USING THEIR SOFTWARE BECOMES THE PROPERTY OF KINGSOFT.
Have you read it Karyn?  I downloaded this software several years ago
read that EULA and used Revo to deepscan uninstall that software. It had
put tendrils all through my computer. Revo is very good and got it all,
but don't be fooled.

This is part and parcel to China's hacking attempts and for cnet to
recommend it is both incredibly naive and questionable at best.

I doubt the reviewer ever read the Kingsoft EULA (nor have I). Though you
do bring a good point about EULA's being highly anti-consumer as typically
written by most properietary software companies. I would not be surprised
if some EULA's by others claim ownership of all documents created by the
package.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] printers compatible with GnuLinux



For Linux printing - i.e. via LO

My use of this driver set for the HP laser has more than the strictly 
postscript version.


HPLaserjet2300pcl2,hpcups3.1.3.4

There are many more tray options, including the types of paper in the trays.

In the USA, I found it hard to find Linux drivers for my Canon printer.

So the key would be to find out which Printer has the best Linux 
driver[s] with the most tray options, from the tray number to the types 
of paper in that tray.


So far, HP may have the better options for me.

What it is like in Europe with its printer options and availability of 
Linux drivers, I have no clue.  But I would look into the drivers 
thoroughly.  I wonder if you can install the drivers without having the 
printers installed so you can test the drivers for their options within LO.


The same hpcups driver would not give me tray options when printing an 
email using Thunderbird, as it did with LO.  SO, it is important to test 
the drivers with the packages you will be needing.


As for the big, copy/printer/collate/stapling machine, They have it on 
the office downstairs.  IT is also a FAX machine.  These are the type of 
all-in-one machines that many offices choose and we really need to make 
sure that LO, with the OS's drivers, can access all of the needed 
functions included withing that office printing device.




On 06/07/2013 08:55 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Brilliant answer!  Thanks :)

The Konica C253 looks about the right size.

I've not had much luck with the Cups website nor the OpenPrinting one but it 
looks like they might have reorganised it, or else you are better at using it.  
My money would be on the latter if i had to make a bet on it.

Thanks and regards from
Tom :)








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To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013, 12:54
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] printers compatible with GnuLinux


W dniu 2013-06-07 12:33, Tom Davies pisze:

Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with 
GnuLinux?


See as beginning http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP/ -
remember - sometimes you will have to (re)install driver manually,
sometimes replace the driver from distro (HP P1100  Mandriva).



For work I use HP and Konica - both work.  Tested on Debian 4-7 and
Mandriva up to 2012.

I divide the Konica in two groups - full version (my models: C253,
4695MF) works in PCLPS and version light - chipper but risk to work.

Similar is problem with HP - see CUPS documentation for support.
Generally HP works out of the box (my private HP-8500 multifunction I
connected via USB and Debian7 autoinstalled), but some models don't
understand PCL and/or PS.  The HPijs also doesn't support all models.

If you want to use the special function like auto-rotation paper-sheet
function Landscape=Portrait (eg Ricoh multifunction devices) - first
download PPD file and see is this function exists or not.  If you need
other languages in print dialog-box than English the translate messages
in PPD file is the easier way.


Forget about Brother if you use 64bit distro, the drivers works OK only
in 32bit version.  Of course you can install on 64bit but it gives more
problems that can be imagine in different kind like moved print-content
always 5cm up and cut from the bottom.


Resume:
  + if printer support PCL and/or PS and/or hpijs
  + is PPD on the OpenPrinting website with remark Perfectly
  + is printer as vendor+model+connection-kind described in CUPS docs
===
  total: 90% of proof it will work.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux

On 06/07/2013 12:01 PM, Doug wrote:

On 06/07/2013 08:33 AM, Luuk wrote:

On 07-06-2013 14:27, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Thanks :) Cannon have a reasonably good reputation but Hewlett
Packard have much better but all that seems to be for small printers
that are meant to be run for 1 or maybe 2 desktops. I'm really
looking for something a lot more scaled up, to be run on a network of
only about 20 desktops right now but possibly a whole lot more later
on.

Regards from
Tom :)

This is not for 1, maybe 2 desktops:

http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Work/Products/Office_Print_Copy_Solutions/Office_Black_White/imageRUNNER_ADVANCE_6265i/

/snip/
I get the impression that the op is not looking for a _printer,_ per
se, but for a copying machine that can be used as a printer, also.

That's a novel idea (to me). Do such things exist?
--doug

I think there is a need for that office to beable to use the tall
office copier/printer/FAX machine that holds several large [and/or
small] trays dedicated for different paper types and sizes. That is the
type that is in many of the offices I have been in. On device to all of
their needs.

The key is that Windows drivers would have access to all of the device's
options. What is needed is to find one that has Linux drivers to do the
same thing. It is no good using Linux if you cannot use all the need
functions of the printer for your office needs. Sometimes having both
Linux and Windows computers attached to the office network that the
large multi-function office printing device is connected to.

I searched for the best one for the HP laser printer that I use, for the
tray and paper options, so I would not have to do too many option
manually or need to run my laptop in Win7 mode. I have to do that with
my HP wide format printer, but I do not want to do the same with the
laser printer when I want to print anything other than letter paper in
the default tray.

Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO


On 06/07/2013 01:30 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:



Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
snip
I was talking to a professor a few days ago.  He does not like the 
newer versions due in part to the way they keep changing the 
interface and how to do things. I made sure he know about LO.  He 
loved the multi language part as well.


I did not like the ribbon menu system either.  Sure, the type of 
interface that LO uses has been around for years, but that does not 
mean you need to change it.  Refreshing or redesigning the 
interface, just because you can, is not a reason to.  One of the good 
things about LO as it went from 3.3 though 4.0 is the way the 
interface does not change, or has a slow change so it does not stand 
up and slap your face with the changes.  Once you learn what is 
where and how to do things, changing that will cause problems.  Sure 
the interface could use some enhancements, like the persona 
addition, but to keep our users happy, you must not make the users 
relearn how to do things or where are the menu options are now located.


I have been using the OO/LO office suite since OO.o 1.x and now I am 
using LO 3.6.6.  (I have not tried LO 4.0.x, since I am still waiting 
for that less-buggy 4.1.5+ version to be released.) However, I have 
found the incremental changes to the user interface refreshing.  OO.o 
and now LO, have made great improvements in this area with each 
release.  Nothing to make me go back to school to get my degree on how 
to use it, but the changes made the functions much easier to use and 
more intuitive. To me, that is a big plus.  I want to be productive, 
not have to re-learn user interfaces with each new release.  Although 
I am a retired electronics engineer, I am _not_ a techno-geek who has 
to have the latest and greatest all the time.  You won't find me 
waiting for hours outside an Apple store to buy the latest iPhone.  If 
it works, don't fix it is my motto.

Girvin Herr

snip



My last version of MSO was 2003.
I ran OOo back in those early days as well, and went to LO back just 
before they switched from the first RC version to the first full 
release version back in late winter 2011.  I currently use 4.0.3 on 
both Ubuntu and Win7 systems.


I like the fact that the LO interface, as a whole, has not changed. Yes, 
there are some added things, like the 1 or 2 page view and some other 
things.  But it looks mostly like it has been for that past year or 
two.  No need to relearn where the needed menu option has been 
relocated.  No need to figure out how to do needed options, since the 
process has not changes or the change is slow slight is seem like no 
change at all.


The one big complaint I have heard about MSO is the fact they seem to 
change how you do things, after you get use to doing it their new way 
after the last change.  I know many business people have stated that 
every time a new MSO is bought [or now rented] for their company 
users, they have to spend time and money while the users learn how to do 
the things they need to do with the changes that MSO has made in the 
interface and the steps to do the needed options.


I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used 
version 5 since the XP days.  But since I can not get v5 to install on 
Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I had to upgrade it and relearn 
the new interface.  Same with PSP 5 or X5 vs. GIMP.  The time it takes 
to relearn how to do the things that comes very easily to me with the 
old interface, well it is very frustrating to say the least and has 
taken 2 to 5 times longer to do the things I want/need to do.


So if people feel that way about the MSO interface changes, and want to 
use one that is easier use and clearer to understand, then they need to 
use a package - like LO - that does not have major interface changes.  I 
hope no one decides to revamp/refresh LO's interface to the point where 
our users will have the same frustrations as they did with the constant 
changes that MSO seems to relish in.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux


On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote:

On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote:

Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33:

Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily
compatible with GnuLinux?


Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series...



fifteen years ago, Kyocera was crap.
I sure hope they improved their stuff since that time.



I think I have seen this brand here in the Northeast USA.
HP is one of the major brands for the big office printer, copier, fax, 
collating, stapling and multi-tray office machine.  There are others, 
but so far it seems that the driver for Ubuntu with HP CUPS has the 
most printer tray and paper/envelope sizes/styles of all of the other 
brands of printers I have tried on my system.


I really think the key will be which brand and model of big office 
printer has the best driver, with the most options, for Linux. That is 
in the subject line after all.  I have had [and have] some nice printers 
that currently have no proper Linux driver[s].  My HP 7000 wide format 
will print letter size [8.5 by 11 inches] but will not print the 11 by 
17 inch paper, for which I bought it.  I have to use my Win7 boot of 
my dual booting laptop to use that printer.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux


On 06/08/2013 08:49 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote:

On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote:

Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33:

Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily
compatible with GnuLinux?


Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series...



fifteen years ago, Kyocera was crap.
I sure hope they improved their stuff since that time.



I think I have seen this brand here in the Northeast USA.
HP is one of the major brands for the big office printer, copier, 
fax, collating, stapling and multi-tray office machine. There are 
others, but so far it seems that the driver for Ubuntu with HP CUPS 
has the most printer tray and paper/envelope sizes/styles of all of 
the other brands of printers I have tried on my system.


I really think the key will be which brand and model of big office 
printer has the best driver, with the most options, for Linux. That 
is in the subject line after all.  I have had [and have] some nice 
printers that currently have no proper Linux driver[s].  My HP 7000 
wide format will print letter size [8.5 by 11 inches] but will not 
print the 11 by 17 inch paper, for which I bought it.  I have to use 
my Win7 boot of my dual booting laptop to use that printer.



EDIT

I just got the HP 7000 printer to work with Ubuntu.  Current driver from 
HP's Linux site is 3.13.5


The Ubuntu 12.04 repository has version 3.12.2 so I installed or 
reinstalled;

hplip
hplip-gui
hplip-cups
printer-driver-hpijs
printer-driver-hpcups
hplip-ppds
and all of their associated packages.

Now it works.  It seems that the newest version that HP's Linux driver 
page does not want to work, or I needed one or more of the listed 
packages that were not installed by doing sh hplip-3-13-5.run.




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[libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO


On 06/07/2013 03:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:



Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
snip


I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used 
version 5 since the XP days.  But since I can not get v5 to install 
on Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I had to upgrade it and 
relearn the new interface.  Same with PSP 5 or X5 vs. GIMP.  The time 
it takes to relearn how to do the things that comes very easily to me 
with the old interface, well it is very frustrating to say the least 
and has taken 2 to 5 times longer to do the things I want/need to do.
Ahh!  The Gimp.  Great program and I do have some use for it. However, 
learning it has a _steep_ learning curve for me and, frankly, sitting 
at the screen and reading the online manual is not what I would prefer 
using my limited time for.  There are several learning books out 
there, but which one is the best one I need to learn The Gimp?  That 
is my problem with it.  Once or twice I fiddled with it and got it to 
do somewhat what I wanted, but it wasn't very intuitive and I feel it 
could do so much more for me.  If I could just get a good book on it 
and sit down and play with it...

Girvin Herr

snip




Yes GIMP has a steep learning curve.  As for learning curves, ever try 
to use Photoshop?  Now that has a steep learning curve if you have not 
dealt with such a package before.  PSP5 was so easy to use and learn, 
plus it had everything I wanted or needed for my work.


Also GIMP does not have all of the filters that I had with Paint Shop 
Pro 5 [or the new X5].


If there was an easier and/or better graphics program that I could use 
with Ubuntu 12.05, then I would give it a try.


Sometimes the books I have seen in the stores, or online, seem to be 
written by and for the graphic artist, and not those of us who need it 
for the more simple things, like repairing old photos or dealing with 
simple pixel-based graphics.  for all [most] vector-based graphics, I 
use Inkscape.  I have not really sat down and learned Draw for these 
things, yet.  I am so use to Corel Draw 11, Inkscape is similar enough 
to use, is I am using Ubuntu.  I have Corel Draw 11 on a Win7 laptop.


I just wish I really had the time to sit down and play with the 
packages, GIMP, Draw, and others, with a good book of instructions to 
help walk me through the processes.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Normal font look bold with 100% scale


On 06/07/2013 11:06 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 6/7/13 4:46 AM, DJViking wrote:

Using font UWH Bookman L some letters look bold while in fact they are
normal.

Look at this screenshot of Libreoffice with some test text.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-lDdSLkpJa5dFdhUWNVUEpya0k/edit?usp=sharing 



The document scale i 100%. If I choose a higher scale it looks normal.


Windows used to be terrible about this kind of stuff.  The culprit 
usually turned out to be the graphics card and drivers, AFAIK.





I have seen this before with some fonts.

Is it bold on the screen and proper printed out, or bold on both the 
screen and print?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO


On 06/08/2013 11:32 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:16:42 -0400, Tom Davies 
tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:



Hi :)
That point keeps coming up but it best said the other way around
80% of MSO almost never gets used.

Then split the remaining 20% up between different sorts of users.  
Most people only use the Save button, Bold, Centre, Underline, 
copypaste errr that's about it.  Oh, receive email and reply.  More 
advanced users insert pictures or graphics or go the other way into 
using spreadsheets and/or maybe know how to start a fresh new 
email.   So even of that 20% there is a lot of stuff that people 
don't use or even know about.  It's just that within that 20% some 
people use some and others use different bits.  That still leaves 80% 
almost untouched by anyone.
The way this is generally talked about is that everyone uses 
different things and so if you take enough people you find that there 
is an even spread of all parts being used by a roughly equal 
percentage of people.  However that is NOT what we are seeing.  Think 
about it this way instead, how many people do you know of that don't 
know how to make something bold?  Almost everyone knows that, right?  
They might manage to fluff it badly but at least they can manage that 
much.  Now, how many can switch from left to right or fully 
justified?  Not so many. Quite a lot of people don't even know what 
you are talking about or think it looks too strange or 'different' 
(or cool).  How many people know how to mail-merge?  Not as many as 
know how to use bold!!


Regards from
Tom :)

IMHO the percentage of features used by 95% of users on LO or MSO is 
probably about 50 to 60% of those available - no research just navel 
gazing. I was talking to a colleague on another list about this point. 
MS has had a history of adding features to MSO that most users 
either would never use it or have no idea the feature is there (and 
probably would never use it). Part of the problem, particularly for 
commercial software, is the true core features of an office suite have 
been implemented years ago and only need refining. Tom's example of 
mail merge has been around for at least 20 years - I used it with 
WordPerfect in the mid 90's and it was not a new feature then. So to 
entice buyers/users MS and others must add features that sound nice 
but very few people will ever use.




The last time I heard of a MSO figure, it was:
95% of the MSO users uses less than 5% of the features.  That was mostly 
for Word and Excel users.
I have heard other figures like 90% uses 10%, but the highest figure was 
the 15% of the features of Word and Excel combined.


All of the rest are for the power users and need a good and detailed 
book to teach you - step by step - how to use these complex power user 
features and options.


For all of the people I have dealt with, none would be called a power 
user by any means.


I remember seeing a magazine advertisement for MSO, from several years 
ago, that stated that they added over 1,000 new and improved feature 
over the previous version.  That may have been for the MSO 2003 
version.  MSO-2003 was the last one I bought, with the first being 
MSO-97 I believe.  How many people would want to learn 1,000 features 
for their office package?  I may use 100 +/- features of LO and that is 
more than enough to do what I need to do.


A related problem is that most users are users. They want to get 
something do but do not want to spend a lot of time learning the 
software beyond a minimum to do their jobs. So if you asked them to do 
a mail-merge with LO, AOO, MSO, etc. you would get a blank stare. They 
do not know it can be do and are amazed you can do it.


I use to deal with mail-merging lists with a form document, but I have 
not done that for a long time.







From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013, 13:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO 
alternative is not LO



Jay provided a great response to this thread, but it appears as if 
he fell
into the trap of hitting reply instead of reply all, so only I 
got the

benefit of his response. I'm copying it below.

Jay wrote:

My understanding of the original XEROX research is that is for 
desktop GUI

there is a narrow range of options and criteria to implement a good
interface. What I always understood is that because the why humans
interact with the surroundings and basic physiology of arms, shoulders,
hands, etc. the WIMP based GUIs with menus, icons, windows, and a mouse
are the most practical interfaces. The XEROX conclusions, IMHO, are 
still
valid today. So the GUI (app or OS) should be very similar. Learning 
any

XEROX style GUI is fairly easy for most users because it feels right.

MS seemed to ignore the XEROX research with the Ribbon and the 
criticism
of W8 indicates they ignored the research

Re: [libreoffice-users] printers compatible with GnuLinux



I use Ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop, with MATE desktop environment.

The key, for the printer drivers/PPDs, is finding the ones that have the 
most options.  When my Epson printer still worked properly, I had 3 
printer-driver version of that printer setup. Each had a different 
combination of print options, with none having all the options I wanted 
to use.  I have 2 installed for the HP2300dn dulpex laser printer.  I 
now have one working for the HP Officejet 7000 wide format printer 
[finally].  I also use CUPS-PDF as my default printer.


For FAX, I prefer to use the stand-alone FAX options instead of 
through the computer to printer option.  The only reason I keep my Epson 
Artisan 810 around, after I got the ink pad end of life warning is for 
its FAX machine functions.  I do about 1 FAX per month, as an average.  
Since my only computer that has a FAX/modem phone cable plug-in is a 
half dead HP laptop with XP on it, I really need to have the outgoing 
standalone FAX option kept ready to use.  All I need to do it plug the 
phone line in and turn it on.





On 06/08/2013 12:20 PM, Mieszko Kaczmarczyk wrote:

W dniu 07.06.2013 16:35, Kracked_P_P---webmaster pisze:
I wonder if you can install the drivers without having the printers 
installed so you can test the drivers for their options within LO.


The same hpcups driver would not give me tray options when printing 
an email using Thunderbird, as it did with LO.  SO, it is important 
to test the drivers with the packages you will be needing.


For TEST exists functions: (be carrefull, made copy of old PPD file)

I don't know what is your distro and which version of CUPS do you 
use.  Based on my Debian - from about CUPS version 1.2 is possible for 
test install ANY printer driver.  Download your-desired-model PPD from 
OpenPrinting and replace the file by hand in folder 
/etc/cups/ppd/old-file.ppd as overwriting. Restart CUPS+LO (or reboot 
your computer) and you can test printer functions.  Of course the real 
printout on the paper can be not possible.


As for the big, copy/printer/collate/stapling machine, They have it 
on the office downstairs.  IT is also a FAX machine.  These are the 
type of all-in-one machines that many offices choose and we really 
need to make sure that LO, with the OS's drivers, can access all of 
the needed functions included withing that office printing device. 


For FAX function from printer connected via USB in the past I used 
Kfax from KDE3.  Has anyone experience with any new/modern 
multi-function device-printer connected via IP address?  I have got 
2pcs devices but none can be connected to telephone line.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux


On 06/08/2013 02:04 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote:

On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote:

Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33:

Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily
compatible with GnuLinux?


Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series...



fifteen years ago, Kyocera was crap.
I sure hope they improved their stuff since that time.



I think I have seen this brand here in the Northeast USA.


it is one of the main printers I use at work.

it's in the basement and I'm networked to it but mostly I use it 
directly to copy stuff or scan stuff in pdf onto a flashdrive; one can 
also send scanned stuff to a 'mailbox' which can be accessed via a 
browser; you can set this 'public' or 'private'.


the few occasions I 'send' jobs to it it's via CUPS. I do this so 
infrequently I'm not even sure it works but I imagine it does. it 
works fine with another networked printer I use daily at work (an HP 
laser device, b/w, two trays, duplex).


F.

HP is one of the major brands for the big office printer, copier, 
fax, collating, stapling and multi-tray office machine.  There are 
others, but so far it seems that the driver for Ubuntu with HP CUPS 
has the most printer tray and paper/envelope sizes/styles of all of 
the other brands of printers I have tried on my system.


I really think the key will be which brand and model of big office 
printer has the best driver, with the most options, for Linux. That 
is in the subject line after all.  I have had [and have] some nice 
printers that currently have no proper Linux driver[s].  My HP 7000 
wide format will print letter size [8.5 by 11 inches] but will not 
print the 11 by 17 inch paper, for which I bought it.  I have to use 
my Win7 boot of my dual booting laptop to use that printer.









Printer in the basement of the office building - well that is 
inconvenient to print and the go there to pick your prints up.


All of the printers I use are left of my desktop [I am left handed] and 
less than 4 feet away.  If I cannot reach them, I just roll the chair 
over to the printer. I have the HP laser printer and the Canon inkjet on 
the desk high shelf and the wide format printer on a shelf 2 feet over 
top of the laser printer.


My laser printer is an HP laserjet 2300 dn - duplex and network.  It has 
the bottom tray and the fold-out multipurpose tray.  I use the bottom 
tray for the standard copy paper quality paper.  I use the fold-out 
tray for the feeding of 1 to 10 sheets of colored paper, cover stock 
paper, envelopes, and other types of printing.


When I look at the printer's available drivers [i.e. make and model 
driver list]  I get 15 different ones to choose from.  I use the one 
that is named HP Laserjet 2300 pcl3, hpcups 3.13.4.  That one has the 
most options of all the ones I have tried, so far.


NOTE:  I finally got the HP Officejet 7000 wide format printer to work.  
I had to reserve its network IP address in the router table and define 
it.  Then I had to install all of the packages for hplip that was in 
the Synaptic Package Manager that seemed was not installed, or reinstall 
the repository versions, if it looked like a non-repository version was 
installed.  Something was missing, somewhere, but is finally prints the 
11 by 17 inch paper, instead of just the 8.5 by 11 inch type.  It was a 
pain to boot up a Windows partition on my laptop to print my posters and 
newsletters via a PDF file on a flash drive.


I keep the following paper in the printers:

HP Laser 2300dn
--- bottom tray - generic/plain white paper
--- fold-out tray - sometimes color paper or cover stock paper

Canon MG6220 inkjet
-- bottom tray - quality bright white inkjet paper
-- back tray - photo paper
-- printer also prints the labels on the DVD media

HP Officejet 7000 - wide format
-- bottom tray - 11 by 17 inch paper of either plain paper or cover 
stock paper




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Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO


On 06/08/2013 06:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
There are a lot of very simple drawing programs on GnuLinux;  gpaint (a bit like 
Paint in Windows accessories), gnome-paint, apparently mtpaint is as bit less 
simple and good for photos but still very basic.


Draw is excellent, especially for what you were using it for.  The arrows 
problem could have been solved in gimp by creating a 2nd layer and then put the 
arrow in there.  Then keep an original in xcf format and save as png, or gif 
(or even jpg if you must) for sharing.  However, Draw was probably the best 
choice to keep it simple!
Regards from

Tom :)


snip

For arrows, I use a set of arrow fonts  i.e. most of the font glyphs 
are arrows in different styles and pointing directions. You cannot 
have arrows with long tails but this is a good solution for many of my 
arrow needs.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?



I wish I asked a tech person, on a domain/hosting phone call, where he 
got his LO copy for his Arch system.  He loved LO on his Arch computer.


I really hope you can get the 4.0.3 version installed, or 4.0.4 at the 
end of the month.  It is much better than my Ubuntu's distro - 3.6.x for 
12.04 and 4.0.1[?] for 13.04.  I run 12.04LTS so I have another year 
before I upgrade to the 14.04LTS OS.


Is there any easy way to include the Arch install package[s] version 
to the Linux list of DEB and RPM?   If Arch offers the most cutting 
edge release model for their packages and such, it might be good to add 
their install file type to the Linux download option.



On 06/09/2013 09:46 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2013/6/9 Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 suokunl...@gmail.com:

I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch
Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing
LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try:

pacman -S libreoffice

This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you.

Hm… the OP said:
”Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all
software / kernel
  changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.”

So obviously Manjaro/Arch does NOT provide the latest LibreOffice
packages, does it?
I didn't try any of these distributions myself, so I can't tell, sorry.


Johnny Rosenberg


You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice

Best Regards,

Kevin Suo
Beijing, China.

06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope:

Hi!



I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating
my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm
having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither
RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user
repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the
packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same
principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there
being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling
release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel
changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux


On 06/09/2013 09:52 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

Le 07/06/2013 12:33, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi Tom,

Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily 
compatible with GnuLinux?



My 2cents :

Canon : OK for workgroup printing, even fairly complicated option 
stuff *_IF_* you manage to get hold of a PPD file that you can then 
fiddle with to add the missing options that you don't get with their 
standard driver...


Absolute crap for everything else, scanning, photocopying, faxing 
directly from the PC client, even under Mac. They write all their 
driver stuff for Windows first, then as an afterthought for Mac, and 
by extension Linux/Unix OSes. This may have changed in the last three 
years, as I haven't tested recently, but we had one hell of a bad time 
with the rented Canon iR Fax/Photocopier/Scanner/Printer that a rather 
clueless associate of mine decided to have put into the firm I was 
working in at the time. The sales support were equally lacking in 
proficiency - what's Linux ? No one uses OSX anymore, etc, etc. You 
might want to check today, though, you never know, they might have had 
an epiphany !!


We switched to HP - much better support, and the technicians were 
mostly OS agnostic (sales support as usual only knew that it ran in a 
Windows OS environment). However, printing quality and colour 
rendering was not always up to par with the HP device compared to the 
Canon. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.



Alex


I found my Linux packages at the UK support site, since the USA 
site/division does not support Linux.  The USA site supports both 
Windows and Mac OSX.

For the quality issues you have . . .

For my MG6220 printer [bought for printing labels directly on DVD 
media], The photo copying and photo printing was better than my Epson 
inkjet ever was. The printer uses Black, Photo Black, Gray, and the 3 
colors for ink cartridges.  The scanning of a color document/image was 
better than the other 2 printer/scanners I have/had.  It does not have a 
FAX option, but I have a stand alone FAX option on a different printer 
so I did not spend the extra money.


Actually the Linux driver was for the generic 6200 series, since the 
6220 is a USA printer and the 6230 was the same printer but for the UK 
power and such.  Linux has many of the Canon printers included in its 
printer database, but the new[er] MG6200 series was not and I had to 
install 2 .deb files for the printing and 2 for the Canon scanner 
package.  The printer has the USB port, but uses wired and wireless 
network options.  I do not use any USB only printers right now.


By-the-way - Linux Mint 13 and 14 will not find that Canon printer on 
the network, even if I give it the network IP address.  It will only 
work as a USB printer.  I was testing out Mint/MATE [MATE being the 
default desktop] for a possible option over Ubuntu/MATE.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux


On 06/09/2013 11:56 AM, Upscope wrote:

On Friday, June 07, 2013 09:30:49 PM Stefan Gruber wrote:

Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33:

Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily
compatible with GnuLinux?

Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series...

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Depends on what your looking for. I had a xerox Phaser 6120 (laser
printer), they also make MFC printers)for 7 years on my Linux system.
never burped, Xeror provided drivers. To Negatives, relealily expense
compared to some and toner was expensive.

replaced xerox with Brothers MFC-J6710DW about 7 months ago. Not
problems so far using Brothers Linux Drivers. Have not tested the FAX
part yet, Not sure it will work over my fiber Optic phone network.

Russ


I do my best to find non-OEM ink cartridges and toner.

My HP laser cost me $25 - $30 for non-OEM but $105 for HP's toner.

My Canon set of 6 ink cost $35 for 2 full sets, but cost $80 for a full 
set of OEM-ink.


My HP OJ 7000 printer - 3 full sets of color cost less than one HP 
black.  1 full set of color/black cost less than HP's Black let alone a 
full set of Black and Color OEM ink.


When I buy a new [or used] printer, I first look at the cost of the ink 
or toner, both OEM and the non-OEM market.  I really want to know the 
ink/toner costs before I buy so I can tell how much that printer will 
cost me.  Then I compare printer models and their features with their 
ink/toner costs.  At that point, I have all of the information on cost 
of printing up front.  I cannot tell you how many good looking printers 
that would cost me $70+ for even non-OEM toner, or $200+ for the OEM 
toner.  I do not have that kind of money to lay out for a toner 
replacement, no matter how great the printer is.




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