Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Download

[Tim Lungstrom]

Virgil;
What system are you using that gives you the daily crashes?

I agree with Tom that soon the current 5.0.x line will be turned into 
the "still" version line.  I am running both 4.x.x and 5.0.x between my 
different dual booting Win10 partitions and my Ubuntu 14.xx/15.xx 
partitions and single OS systems.


I have not experienced any crashing, except for some very large and 
complex files.  Maybe I do not use my LO version[s] as much as you do, 
but I am not getting your type of crashing.


So it could be something in your system that may not like LO, or it may 
just be that there is a corruption in the config files.  If I remember 
correctly, 4.x and 5.x use different config file folders.


Yes, I still recommend 4.x to people, but since that like is coming to 
its end, I will have to decide if 5.0.x is ready "enough" for me to 
point clients and family to it.


Tim L.


On 01/04/2016 03:39 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
For what it's worth, I had downloaded the "fresh" branch a few weeks 
ago. I think it was version 5.0.3 (or 4). I experienced daily crashes 
with it. I got so frustrated that I completely uninstalled it and went 
back to the trusty "still" version. My current plan is to not go near 
version 5 until I find that version 4 fails to complete my work.


I would recommend that the download cite default to the "still" 
branch. If I had been a complete noob and had this experience with the 
default "fresh" branch, I'd be looking for a different solution 
altogether.


Virgil

On 01/04/2016 02:17 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
This mailing list usually recommends the "Still" branch rather than
the "Fresh" branch.

The "Still" branch has usually had enough "Service Packs" to fix
almost any problems that people may have had with the "Fresh" branch.
  The "Fresh" branch is the default download offered on the official
website.  It helps the least geeky people and complete noobs to get
the version with the newest features and the most problems.  The
"Still" branch has all the features almost anyone is ever likely to
need, it is extremely robust and reliable - so we give people the
other version because it's more interesting and flashy.

However the "Fresh" branch has just had it's 4th "Service Pack" and so
it's about due to be named the new "Still" branch.  It's about the
time that many of us on this mailing list move our clients and
"mission critical" machines onto this branch and start getting excited
about the prospect of having an entirely new branch to try out.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)







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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim Lungstrom]

On 08/14/2017 08:49 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
bootable partition.
The ASUS laptop has more trouble allowing USB booting than it does to 
get the CD/DVD drive to boot.


This laptop is the only one that has this constant problem and needs 
specific arrangement of partition types to get it working.  I think it 
may be both the laptop BIOS and the 1 TB drive.  The laptop I use for 
emailing is the next largest drive - 500 GB, and does not give me little 
issues in this department.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

[Tim Lungstrom]

On 07/17/2017 06:07 PM, Concerned Citizen wrote:

AMD processors run hot. This is not news. Most software is biased towards
Intel in optimizations so your AMD CPU will be taxed while an Atom
processor will provide more efficient processing. This is very noticeable
during media tasks and sustained CPU loads, where AMD will thermally cap
and throttle more quickly.


The problem system is a quad core Intel cpu laptop.  My desktop is an 
older quad core AMD cpu.


When MS Windows 10 runs on the Intel laptop, it overheats running almost 
anything. The Linux partition does not overheat unless highly taxed like 
running multiple video format conversions at the same time.



I personally believe Microsoft optimizes for Intel while all but ignoring
AMD. That's what it feels like when I go between comparable systems using
different CPU. The AMD always runs hotter and throttles much faster. You
can hear this on systems with fans.
I do not know anything about MS's bias, but the laptop's Intel cores run 
much hotter than when running Ubuntu Linux.  My quad core desktop has a 
lot fans in the case due to the simple fact that with 4 hard drives, and 
1 DVD burner, the case is now a little cramped even - even though there 
are enough drive racks to handle 2 more drives. So I added a fan in the 
top most optical drive opening to help suck out the heat better.


My quad Intel laptop has only 2 "air ports" [Asus's name for them]. I do 
not feel any heat coming out of either one while running Windows or Linux.

I figured that was the case, and that is why I asked about the CPU. My AMD
laptop cannot play 1080p 60FPS without dropping frames (SSD and 8GB Ram...
Quad Core).  Sometimes the machine will crash. My atom tablet plays 120FPS
1080p like they're VGA video video files - flawlessly.

There is a huge efficiency gap between Intel and AMD.
I have 3 different working laptops, and two working tablets.  The 
laptops have different Drive, CPU, and RAM setup.  Only the newest [quad 
core Intel and 8 GB RAM] has the overheating problem with Windows 10.


The oldest tablet is a true Nook tablet instead of a standard tablet 
using the Nook packages.  The surprise is the Nook has a better 
resolution with their 7 inch display over the newer 10 inch display.



As far as I'm concerned AMD processors aren't worth any savings they
provide and I will never buy another matching with an AMD CPU/APU, ever.
They're terrible, especially in notebooks.

Windows is not the problem here, in my opinion.

DOCX is deprecated. Have person install compatibility pack and set default
to OOXML in their office apps.
The problem here is the agencies that are sent the document files, along 
with me and others, have different versions of Word or not using Word at 
all - like me.  The IT people in each agency have a list of mandated 
packages to be installed on their systems and the users - the lady who 
creates the docs - are not allowed to install any other software or 
patched.  Some of these agencies have disabled the use of USB drives of 
any size, or even CDs/DVDs, due to system security mandates.


I have been using LibreOffice since the first version.  LO replaced my 
OpenOffice.org package.  I was using my quad core desktop and Ubuntu 
9.10 at that time - or was it 10.04. My last version of MS Office was 
2003.I never looked back.

Can't comment on update and upgrade issues beyond what I have done already.
There are too many variables that can cause breakage and failure, and they
aren't all to do with Windows itself.




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[libreoffice-users] resolved? - Canon USA Printer Support are using LibreOffice? boot repair

[Tim Lungstrom]

I( found out why I could not get the CD/DVD drive to boot - It may be 
the drive.

I plugged in a USB DVD drive and I was able to boot from it.

So, I let the Asus people know about this problem.


On 06/02/2017 09:15 PM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:


CD or DVD - it still needs to be able to boot from the DVD Drive.

I am still waiting for the laptop's tech people to send me the proper 
BIOS command and its options to add that to my laptop.


I have several different repair discs - CD and DVD. Without being able 
to boot from it, they are no use.



On 06/01/2017 11:51 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:

Go to https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/

Download the appropriate 32 or 64 bit iso and create a CD, NOT A DVD.

Suggest ImgBurn if on Windows. http://www.imgburn.com/

If it does boot, use default repair.

If it does not, research online the hot-key for your computer that 
allows 'boot from CD" or "Select Boot Drive" option during boot.


If this does not work, it is very common for newer computers to boot 
to USB.


Make bootable USB stick with iso image.  See 
https://unetbootin.github.io/


There are many methods for this in the internet, research until you 
find the method you will be most comfortable with.


Once the boot has been repaired, see 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode


Select  "network" and then "dpkg".

If dpkg starts to work and fails, restart machine and repeat until it 
has nothing left to fix.


Hope this helps.



On 5/27/2017 11:05 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

I have the other way around.

During an upgrade for Ubuntu, the computer crashed and messes up 
GRUB.  So now I have a 1TB drive with access to only 1/4 of it. The 
problem is the DVD cannot be set as a boot option. BIOS has a weird 
way to set devices to be bootable.  My other laptop's BIOS is 
easier.  Of course its DVD boot commands will not work with the new 
ASUS's BIOS.  So with this problem I cannot run the repair disk, 
since it requires to be booted via the CD/DVD drive.


The laptop had been able to boot to from the DVD, which was the way 
I added Ubuntu in the first place.


If I cannot find the correct BIOS commands - or maybe the GRUB 
commands - to boot the repair disk, I would remove the hard drive 
and repair the drive via another Ubuntu laptop.  The only problem 
with that, I would loose my 4 year warranty.



On 05/20/2017 07:51 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
Last year, I accidently erased Win10 in an attempt to create a dual 
boot with Mint 18. It was totally my fault. Now, I'm kind of glad I 
did it. So far I haven't missed it.


Virgil


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


 Original message 
From: Tim-L--Elmira-NY 
Date: 5/19/17 12:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Canon USA Printer Support are 
using LibreOffice?


On 05/18/2017 07:24 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:


On 13/05/17 10:48, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

On 05/12/2017 02:44 PM, James Knott wrote:

On 05/12/2017 02:31 PM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:
I would love to get it verified, but it would be a good 
marketing coo

for LO if a big company like Canon uses LibreOffice.

I used to work for a company that used OpenOffice (this was before
LibreOffice was available).  I suspect the only reason they did was
because they were so d@mn cheap, they wouldn't pay for MS 
Office.  ;)



Well cheap or not, it is nice to have as many big companies using
LibreOffice as possible.

I bet there are a lot of people out there, and on these lists, that
are using LO not because of being "cheap".  It is nice to have a 
free

office suite but I prefer LO over MS Office. Just like I prefer to
use Linux over Win10 because of all of the viruses and other nasties
that Windows have, while Linux do not have these things infect their
systems.



And the suggestion that the latest crypt virus may have been
introduced to computers through a document macro makes me more
comfortable using LO without MSO on any win PCs.
Steve
Well, if you look at the CNN Headline News, they have stated that 
MS has

a patch for this virus, but wanted to charge some users for it. The
on-air comment seems to say that since MS had the patch, they should
have sent it out to ALL MS Windows users.  Plus, it the patch was
installed, most computers would not have been infected.

Fro me, I use Linux so I do not have the security problems as MS 
Windows
users.  I do have Win10, but rarely use it.  Most times I just go 
to the

Win 10 partition to run the update app.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO not finding my scanner

[Tim Lungstrom]

Sorry, but it will not work.

The original will not "see" the printer at all.  When I had more than 
one Canon printer, I had both installed - 1 for 6220 and 1 for 9020.  
Each scanner driver/package that is installed are geared to a specific 
model.



On 02/12/2018 09:44 AM, jorge Rodríguez wrote:

Hi Tim and all:

    I'm not an expert on computer science, ... but sometimes, it is 
possible to keep install both version of a program. Why not probe to 
install "scangearmp" in parallel to "scangearmp2" ? It would solve 
your problem.


Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 11/02/2018 a las 10:59, Tim-L escribió:


Just to throw more issues - LO 5.4.x still does not find my Canon 
printer's scanning service.


So, it could be the Scanner drivers for Ubuntu.  The "scangearmp2" 
package does not have all of the options as the "version 1" did. To 
bad.  Now I have to do all of the cropping, etc., via GIMP instead at 
the scanning level.



On 02/11/2018 11:30 AM, Tim-L wrote:


To be honest, I had never tried to use my scanning option with 5.4 
or earlier.  I was just going through the different drop-down menus 
after I installed 6.0.0.3.


I see 6.0.1.x is online for download.  I will install it within a 
few days.


2 of my 3 laptops have both Windows 10 and Ubuntu Mate 16.04 
installed.  The newest laptop is a Ubuntu Mate only box. Right now, 
the second oldest laptop is my default one and is the only one 
running 6.0.x.x.


I will look into the uses of the scanning options with one of those 
other laptops to see if it scanning works.



On 02/10/2018 08:04 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

This appears not to be a Linux specific issue. I can't speak for macOS
users, but it is definitely a problem with LO 6.0.1.1 on all of my 
WIN 7
and Linux boxes, where I have zero scanning issues using LO 5.4 or 
other

office software.

Has anyone entered a bug report yet?

Dave

On 08.02.2018 16:45, Tim-L wrote:

Yes, I tried Insert > Media > Select Source.  It does not show my
print/scan/copy - Canon TS9020.

Canon's Linux driver for scanning does not work with xsane. They call
their interface "scangearmp2".  This has hardly and options compared
to "scangearmp" which was use for the previous printer/scanners I 
have

had [all dead now].

Yes, I have 64-bit Ubuntu Mate, LibreOffice, and Canon drivers.




On a side note:

This is the first Canon printer that I bought that has Linux drivers
in their USA web site.  I always had to go to the UK site to get the
drivers. At least Canon is starting to get the picture that a lot of
people in the USA are Linux users.



On 02/07/2018 07:32 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:27:33 -0800
Girvin Herr  wrote:

Another datapoint:

I tried it with LO 5.3.4.2 under xfce and Slackware 14.2 Linux with
my Epson 1660 Photo USB scanner and it worked fine with Insert >
Media > Scan > Select Source.

Girvin Herr

And another datapoint:

I tried with LO 5.4.4.2 under LXDE on openSUSE Leap 42.3 with an 
Epson
Stylus Photo RX620 and got a 'Due to an unexpected error, 
LibreOffice

crashed.' (It's one of those annoyingly unhelpful error dialogs that
won't let you copy the text. GRR!)

After restarting LO, it scanned fine. I'll still prefer to use 
xsane.



On 02/07/2018 03:12 PM, Dave Barton wrote:
After seeing Tim's post I checked and Insert > Media > Scan > 
Select

Source... opens an empty dialog and Insert > Media > Scan >
Request... silently fails.
Version: 6.0.0.3 (x64) Build ID:
64a0f66915f38c6217de274f0aa8e15618924765 CPU threads: 8; OS: 
Windows

6.1; UI render: GL;

No issues with scan in either AOO or MS Office on the same 
machine.


Dave

On 07.02.2018 22:50, Joe Conner wrote:

Did you use the menu tree INSERT -> MEDIA -> SCAN?


On 02/07/2018 02:25 PM, Tim-L wrote:

I just installed 6.0.0.3 64-bit DEB for Ubuntu MATE 16.04LTS.

I was looking at some things and I went to
"Insert/Media/Scan/Select Source".  LO could not find my Canon
TS9020 printer/scanner. I even opened the printer's scan utility
and still LO could not find the scanner.

This is the first time I looked into using a scanner withing LO,
so I do not know if it is a 6.0.0 issue or 5.4.4 or earlier 
issue.


Any ideas?














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