Re: [libreoffice-users] getting larger set of colors that the standard that comes with LO -corrected URL
Did I send you a copyof the colour soc I use? (The one that is 2.5 MB in size, not the one that is 2.x GB in size. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] libreoffice writer freezes in ubunt 12.04
Bala subramanian wrote: I am using libreoffice Version: 4.1.4.2 in ubuntu 12.04. I am able to Known bug in Ubuntu 12.04. AFAIK, the only work around is to use a different distro. Specifically a distro that nebver came close to Ubuntu, as its base.(That rules out Mint, which exhibits the same bug, albeit far less frequently.) jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: [libreoffice-users] help
Christophe Strobbe wrote: Probably, the only way to make odt2braille accessible is rewriting it entirely in C++ in order to embed it into OpenOffice and LibreOffice instead of installing it as an extension. So far, no one has offered to do this. The real issue is that one can not select the writing system from within LibO. Do that, and ODT2name-your-A11Y-writing-system is instantly irrelevant,and thus obsolete. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James E Lang wrote: I really wish there were a LO Calc implementation for Android to use in place of Kingsoft Office. I don't feel secure using a proprietary office product; especially one from China. There is AndroidOpenOffice. Whilst closed source, it is based upon Apache Open Office, to the point of including most of the obvious, and all of the non-obvious AOo tells. (I'm not sure, but I think it is simply a recompiled version of AOO, with things that throw errors simpoly commented out. Then latter rewritten to comppile correctly.) jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Formats failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James Knott wrote: There is AndroidOpenOffice. I tried that a while ago, on my Nexus 7, and it didn't work very well. It is very inconsistent in how well it works. The updates, bug-fixes, etc. can either be much better, or much worse than the previous version. For the most part, releases within the last month are much more stable, and offer more features that work as expected, than releases from even four months ago. All that said, I don't think it quite yet suitable for mission critical work. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] with styles, is not master document functionality unnecessary+
e-letter wrote: What is the benefit of using master document function (presumably a gratuitous copy of m$), when styles function is available in LO? For all practical purposes, the advantages and virtues of using Master Document functionality is completely irrelevant to the advantages and virtues of using Styles. be more stable and easier to manage if these files were imported into one new document? Whether it is more appropriate for the content to maintained as One Single File, One Master Document file, or 100 individual files, depends upon a dozen different factors, starting with the type of content, and ending up with the size of the components of that content. Regardless of which approach is used (single document, master document, individual files), what is crucial, is that a named template be used, which is where all style changes are made. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] saving documents written in Thai
Dale Erwin wrote: but when I open it later, all the Thai text is represented by small rectangles... i.e.garbage. That would be a font issue. More specifically, either the fonts in the template used for the document do not contain Thai characters. Either create a Thai-specific template, and use that everytime you write in Thai, or use a Pan-Unicode font as the default font in your default template. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Running Macro's from keyboard
All Is it just my system, or did the developers really remove the ability to attach a mavro to a keyboard key? LibO version 4.1.3.2 Build ID 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a Screen size 500 vertical 1066 horizontal. The OS started life as a 64 bit Xbuntu 13.10 distro of Linux. I'd like to think it is relatively pure xfce setup, but something infested it Unity. (Probably some a11y I use depends on it, for call home purposes.) jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How do I set default date format in Writer?
anne-ology wrote: Wow, they're in a nether world without any calendar ;-) I encounter it in two very distinct groups: * Days of the week are emphasized, whilst date of the month is ignored; * The Gregorian calendar is not their default calendar; Transitions into, or out of either group are, shall we say, extremely interesting. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How do I set default date format in Writer?
anne-ology wrote: Just curiously wondering how many seconds would be saved by not merely typing the date into document ;-) This is for those who do not know what today's date is. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Marco . Fioretti wrote: Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the person negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the license will allow for each employee to install MSO on their home computer, for the duration of their employment, or the corporate license expires, whichever comes first. may I ask you one real world case where this actually happened? I'm aware of three companies that did that, of which only one is still around, having been bought out by a competitor. (A Candian outfit whose DBA was Telemart, but whose corporate name was something else, and whose employees identified themselves by a different moniker, and whose local business license was yet another name.) One SoHo sized business I had a contract with, did have a policy of allowing employees, but not independent contractors to install the software on their home computer. I don't know if that was through their license, or if it simply bought the package from Costco. That practice is occasionally discussed in the trade rags, usually given as a justification of why Microsoft bases the number of licenses that are required, upon the total number of employees, and not the number of employees whose job requires a desktop computer, or the number of employees who use MSO as part of their daily work routine. I will grant that in some, perhaps even most cases, neither the IT department, nor HR will tell employees about this fringe benefit. There also is the academic license option, which, with some effort, is fairly easy for most people to qualify under. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the Universe, at the begining of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
M. Fioretti wrote: And along those lines, is there still a person, or group that constructs: * A Pan-Indian LibO DVD. Hi Jonathon, not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that there WERE such dvds, or that somebody SHOULD do them? Back in the days of OOo, they were such DVDs. jonathon -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Urmas wrote: There is the only one ODF software: OpenOffice and its clones. a) The common base for the various OOo clones might be as recent as OOo 1.1.3, but I suspect it is several versions earlier. b) There are office suites that are not deroved from either OOo or MSO that fully implement ODF specifications and criteria. The entire format is built around the single application from a single vendor. There is a reference implementation for the ODF file format. There are two major, and a dozen or so minor variations of how that standard is to be implemented. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Peter West wrote: or quietly being given, a copy of an employer's software meant that MS Office products gained near-ubiquity. Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the person negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the license will allow for each employee to install MSO on their home computer, for the duration of their employment, or the corporate license expires, whichever comes first. demands to provide documents in MS Word format when providing a CV. The first software to scan resumes did so with plain text. HR personel are too incompetent with computer software, to know how to convert a file in any non-plain text file format to plain text, so the companies added import in MS Word DOc, as an option. They also provided the ability to import several other word processing formats. But since HR doesn't understand that the software has that ability, they don't accept resumes in other formats. former MS executives will reveal that theft was a vital element in MS' strategy for their Office products during the world colonisation phase. Bill Gates is on record that corporate piracy was, and is, vital to their efforts to prevent competitors from even gaining a toehold. Ballmer is on record on saying that the company has to walk a fine line in combating piracy. Whilst short term revenue is always increased when the piracy crackdown happens, the long term revenue stream is less clear, and that some companies and organizations have made it decidely more difficult for Microsoft to collect any money from them. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the universe, at the begining of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cost of MS Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: Re: moving to new version of MS Office
James Knott wrote: Ever hear of Linux? That was dismissed, because it was developed in a university setting, as a research project. FWIW, using the provided definition, there has been no commercially successful Non-FLOSS software. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the Universe, at the end of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Urmas wrote: b) There are office suites that are not deroved from either OOo or MSO that fully implement ODF specifications and criteria And those are... Koffice, for one. right, none. Are those fifteen office suites that are listed as supporting ODF, in the wikipedia article Comparison of Office Suites figments of the imagination? Or maybe all of the software listed in the Wikipedia article OpenDocument Software is also a figment of the imagination. Note in passing that both lists omits the CJKV office suites, as well those from ex-comblcok countries. There is a reference implementation for the ODF file format. And it is called... Technically, Apache OpenOffice, but arguably, also LibreOffice. jonathon -- Sent from teh Far End of the Universe, from the eating establishment at the begining of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new version of MS Office
Tom wrote: 3. Macros can be written in proper programming languages such as C++ or Python but people can use a slightly different version of Basic that is not so vulnerable. Macros are run slightly differently so that they can't cause infections. It is, however, easier to find material that teavches one how to write a macro for MSO, than to write a macro for LibO 8. handles a much wider range of formats from other programs including many MS ones that have been dropped by MS. There has been some discussion about dropping support for some of the older file formats. Not from the vintage when WangWriter reigned supreme, but from the days of OpenOffice 1.5. 9. Relatively easily switches between different languages so that non-English speakers can still use it. On Windows you have to struggle to find an appropriate font and regionalisation but on Ubuntu it loads the font when you load the language. How does LibreOfffice in say, Korean, behave, when installed on an English (GB) version of Windows? On the flipside, how does English (UK) LibO behave, when installed on a Japanese version of Windows? And along those lines, is there still a person, or group that constructs: * A Pan-Indian LibO DVD. (LibO for the four major operating systems, in all of the official languaes, and most of the semi-official languages of India.); *A Southern African DVD (LibO in the official languages of South Africa, Namibia, Mocambique, Angola, Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi, for the four major operating systems.); * The Arabic, English, German, Hebrew, Russian compilation LibO DVD, for the four major operating systems.; 11. it's a LOT cheaper, especially for individual people (rather than large companies who may end up employing programmers at a fraction the cost license fees would have been) Whether or not LibO is cheaper than MSO, is a matter of deciding what factors to look at, and how to define those factors. * For the typical individual, there is no visible difference between the upfront cost of MSO, and the upfront cost of LibO. They both appear to be gratis. * On the support end of things, there is a huge cost difference between the two. (US$50 per incident versus US$500 per incident.) * For corporations, it is much easier, and cheaper to find Level 3 Tier support for MSO, than LibO. On the flipside, Level 3 Tier support for LibO can be done in-house --- if the board of directors fully backs that proposition, and provides the requisite support to carry it off. Many companies, especially charities, can buy MS Office for bargain discount special deals. Microsoft's hypocracy in offering discounts for their software to charitable organizations has been well documented for more than a decade. Their charitable sales arm is best known for ensuring its victims spend more money on software and hardware, than those victims receives in gifts, kind, and related donations. When an individual person tries to buy MS Office it can easily cost them over £100 and may be several hundred. For the majority of individuals, MSO is effectively gratis, because it is included in the junkware that infects their new computer. For a significant proportion of the rest of the population, MSO can be had for under 100 Euros. What people tend to forget, is that MSO was not designed for SOHO usage. Individuals usually only get some of the programs and may need to buy Publisher or other things separately. Publisher has never been part of the basic MSO packages. I'm not even sure it was part of any of the professional packages. I know that it came with an enterprise edition, but those editions are best compared with Debian, or Xubuntu. Is it morally right for a charity to expect it's service-users to spend so much more money than they need to and thus ensure the charity can keep getting special discounts? I've had this discussion in three different states, with double that number of organizations, private, public, and government agencies. The bottom line is that the system is not designed to help those that are ostensibly being helped. Rephrased, it is designed to ensure the highest possible cost, for the lowest quality goods, with no input from those who are supposed to benefit from the services that are allegedly being rendered. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of the universe, from the begining of time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
