Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-24 Thread M Henri Day
2015-08-21 4:15 GMT+02:00 jlwal...@monkeypantz.net:

 On 2015-08-20 22:10, toki wrote:

 On 20/08/15 10:12, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

 I should get a job writing these kinds of reviews


 Why are you assuming that a human-being wrote the review?
 It has most of the hallmarks of a bot-written review.

 EASY MONEY!


 The days of the paid, professional reviewer are numbered.

 From one side, are reviews written for gratis across the social media;
 From the other side, bots are writing reviews;
 From the third side, content distributors are trying to slash costs

 wherever and whenever possible;

 I miss the depth of old BYTE! magazine reviews.


 The primary virtue of BYTE! reviews was that there was a sense of
 objectivity, in what was rated, and how it was rated. There were a
 couple of times when the reviewer was trying to say the product was
 good, when their own ratings showed that it was bad, and vice-versus.

 jonathon


 Thought I'd share this. One of my latest open source pieces for
 TechRepublic about LibreOffice 5.0.


 http://www.techrepublic.com/article/libreoffice-5-0-the-strongest-release-to-date/

 Jack


​On the contrary, Jack, comparing the LO UI with that of Windows, most
users with whom I've come in contact who don't use these products
professionally - your «average user» - find the former far easier to
understand and use than the latter. Professional users soon get accustomed
to any interface, even one as unintuitive as the infamous MS Office
«ribbon», which now also plagues such services as Hotmail (aka Outlook.com)
and then find it easy to use, but this is definitely not the case for the
average user. Toolbars which make it easy to find what one is looking for
are far better than those that hide them under layers of inaccessibility

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-20 Thread Mike Scott

On 19/08/15 23:05, Steve Edmonds wrote:
...



Mike, check the URL you end up at from that link. I get redirected to
http://au.pcmag.com/libreoffice-40/2249/review/libreoffice-40 from the
www.pcmag.com site.
Steve



http://uk.pcmag.com/office-suites-products/2249/review/libreoffice

Somewhat different.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-20 Thread James Knott
On 08/20/2015 06:12 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 I miss the depth of old BYTE! magazine reviews.

I have every print issue of Byte on my shelf, right from the first,
Sept. 1975.  I bought my first subscription, at the Ottawa Hamfest in
1975, from the original publisher, Wayne Green.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-20 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 12:15 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
 Well, it looks like a 4.0 review to me. Firefox gives page info as
 published time: 2013-05-01T16:57:00+00:00

I get a LO 5.0 review... but it is OK, you aren't missing anything.  It
is a pretty typical drive-by rubbish review which spends most of its
time nit-picking superficial issues.   Mostly it reads like an add for
pay-for products [he even includes links and prices].

Among the new features in LibreOffice 5.0 are some that you probably
won't care about,  ... yeah, classy.  I love reviewers who know what
features I need and what is important to me.

And he clearly does not know how to do versioning in LO.  So he
criticizes it as wanting.

I should get a job writing these kinds of reviews - EASY MONEY!

I miss the depth of old BYTE! magazine reviews.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-20 Thread jlwallen

On 2015-08-20 22:10, toki wrote:

On 20/08/15 10:12, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:


I should get a job writing these kinds of reviews


Why are you assuming that a human-being wrote the review?
It has most of the hallmarks of a bot-written review.


EASY MONEY!


The days of the paid, professional reviewer are numbered.

From one side, are reviews written for gratis across the social media;
From the other side, bots are writing reviews;
From the third side, content distributors are trying to slash costs

wherever and whenever possible;


I miss the depth of old BYTE! magazine reviews.


The primary virtue of BYTE! reviews was that there was a sense of
objectivity, in what was rated, and how it was rated. There were a
couple of times when the reviewer was trying to say the product was
good, when their own ratings showed that it was bad, and vice-versus.

jonathon


Thought I'd share this. One of my latest open source pieces for 
TechRepublic about LibreOffice 5.0.


http://www.techrepublic.com/article/libreoffice-5-0-the-strongest-release-to-date/

Jack

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-20 Thread toki
On 20/08/15 10:12, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

 I should get a job writing these kinds of reviews

Why are you assuming that a human-being wrote the review?
It has most of the hallmarks of a bot-written review.

 EASY MONEY!

The days of the paid, professional reviewer are numbered.
From one side, are reviews written for gratis across the social media;
From the other side, bots are writing reviews;
From the third side, content distributors are trying to slash costs
wherever and whenever possible;

 I miss the depth of old BYTE! magazine reviews.

The primary virtue of BYTE! reviews was that there was a sense of
objectivity, in what was rated, and how it was rated. There were a
couple of times when the reviewer was trying to say the product was
good, when their own ratings showed that it was bad, and vice-versus.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-20 Thread anne-ology
   in agreement, seemed like an ad. for MSFT   ;-)



From: Gabriele Ponzo gpo...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review  Rating | PCMag.com
To: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org


I've always believed that PC Mag is in M$'s payroll and this article just
confirms my thoughts.




 On 2015-08-19 06:22, James Knott wrote:

 I just came across this article.



http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread Piet van Oostrum
zed wrote:

  James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:
  
   I just came across this article.
   
  
  http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992
   
   
  
  The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

When I click on it, it says 5.0.

But I don't agree with this: Clunky interface. Confusing menu options. 
Actually I find the new MS Office interface quite confusing, and the LO menu's 
much easier to use. Maybe I am just a bit too old-fashioned :)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread Kevin O'Brien
Well, eventually we had to find _someone_ who actually liked the
ribbon, and apparently it is this reviewer.

Regards,



On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Piet van Oostrum
pie...@pietvanoostrum.com wrote:
 zed wrote:

   James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:
  
I just came across this article.
   
   
   
 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992
   
   
  
   The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

 When I click on it, it says 5.0.

 But I don't agree with this: Clunky interface. Confusing menu options. 
 Actually I find the new MS Office interface quite confusing, and the LO 
 menu's much easier to use. Maybe I am just a bit too old-fashioned :)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread jomali
When I click the link in either Chrome or Firefox, I go to a Libreoffice
5.0 review dated August 17, 2015.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Mike Scott m...@scottsonline.org.uk
wrote:

 On 19/08/15 12:07, James Knott wrote:

 On 08/18/2015 04:24 PM, zed wrote:

 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:

 I just came across this article.



 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992


 The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

 David


 Someone else, possibly from Australia also saw 4.0, whereas I see 5.0.
 I guess that's what happens when you're upside down.  ;-)


 Well, it looks like a 4.0 review to me. Firefox gives page info as
 published time: 2013-05-01T16:57:00+00:00
 and the page says Version 4.0, recently released, looks a lot like the
 long-running 3.x series, but 

 I'm definitely in the northern hemisphere, unless continental drift has
 increased :-)


 I wish these guys would date their reviews!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread Mike Scott

On 19/08/15 12:07, James Knott wrote:

On 08/18/2015 04:24 PM, zed wrote:

James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:


I just came across this article.



http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992



The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

David


Someone else, possibly from Australia also saw 4.0, whereas I see 5.0.
I guess that's what happens when you're upside down.  ;-)



Well, it looks like a 4.0 review to me. Firefox gives page info as
published time: 2013-05-01T16:57:00+00:00
and the page says Version 4.0, recently released, looks a lot like the 
long-running 3.x series, but 


I'm definitely in the northern hemisphere, unless continental drift has 
increased :-)



I wish these guys would date their reviews!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread mxk

List Ahoy:

It is perturbing to see that different parties can click on the same 
link, and see dramatically different results.


We have been blaming it on an antipodal bias, but now Mike Scott weighs 
in from the near-arctic with the same distortion.


I don't know how to find the Firefox page info he cites, but its May, 
2013 date is telling.


The Micro$$ hagiography I see is definitely 5.0, starting off with:

By Edward Mendelson http://www.pcmag.com/author-bio/edward-mendelson

LibreOffice, the leading free desktop-style alternative to Microsoft 
Office http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383731,00.asp$81.78 at 
Amazon 
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992#, 
just got a new version number, a more modern-looking interface, improved 
import and export filters, and a vast number of bug fixes. But don't get 
the idea that LibreOffice 5.0 is massively different from the previous 
version (4.4), or that if you're not using LibreOffice now, version 5.0 
will make you want it. However, if you or your business can't afford or 
don't want to use a proprietary, for-pay office suite, LibreOffice 5.0 
is your best bet.


*Version Confusion*
Until late in its development, LibreOffice 5.0 was known by the version 
number 4.5. If you're using version 4.x now, version 5.0 is a smooth, 
mostly hassle-free upgrade. If you tried LibreOffice 4.x and found it 
wanting, the new version won't change your mind.



Does Bro Scott have an ancestral bias for the Fatal Shore powerful 
enough to invert the internet?



trj


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread Mike Scott

On 19/08/15 18:07, mxk wrote:
...


I don't know how to find the Firefox page info he cites, but its May,
2013 date is telling.


Right-click in the page and pick 'page info'.

There's something unusual about the site (clearly!) -- I've just tried 
an ancient IE in a VM -- it puts up the 4.0 page with a couple of 
warning dialogue boxes, one saying about a secure connection, and one 
that it can't open the page (???!!! even though it did!). When I close 
them, the page clears to a 'cannot display' message; although by a bit 
of fiddling, it's persuadable to continue to show the wrong page. Weird.


...


Does Bro Scott have an ancestral bias for the Fatal Shore powerful
enough to invert the internet?


Nope. Gaelic ancestry if anything (or so I'm told). Does that count?

I wonder if they've redundant servers with load balancing, and one's out 
of sync.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread mxk
Thank you Mike Scott for imparting a bit of Firefox knowledge that I was 
unaware of. Now, if I can only remember it.


Upon employing that skill, we get: Modified: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 
3:58:41 PM, establishing that PC Mag has indeed somehow arranged to 
have two sites with the same address.


By all accounts, the Gaelic underpinnings would have afforded no 
protection. His Majesty was openhanded with free Transportation to 
subjects in all his realms.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread Steve Edmonds



On 2015-08-20 08:06, mxk wrote:
Thank you Mike Scott for imparting a bit of Firefox knowledge that I 
was unaware of. Now, if I can only remember it.


Upon employing that skill, we get: Modified: Wednesday, August 19, 
2015 3:58:41 PM, establishing that PC Mag has indeed somehow arranged 
to have two sites with the same address.


By all accounts, the Gaelic underpinnings would have afforded no 
protection. His Majesty was openhanded with free Transportation to 
subjects in all his realms.


trj

Mike, check the URL you end up at from that link. I get redirected to 
http://au.pcmag.com/libreoffice-40/2249/review/libreoffice-40 from the 
www.pcmag.com site.

Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread zed
James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:

 On 08/18/2015 04:24 PM, zed wrote:
  James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:
 
   I just came across this article.
 
 
 
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992
 
  The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date
  :-)
 
  David
 
 Someone else, possibly from Australia also saw 4.0, whereas I see 5.0. I
 guess that's what happens when you're upside down.  ;-)
 

...but I had the monitor upside down, too!

David
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread James Knott
On 08/18/2015 04:24 PM, zed wrote:
 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:

 I just came across this article.


 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992

 The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

 David

Someone else, possibly from Australia also saw 4.0, whereas I see 5.0. 
I guess that's what happens when you're upside down.  ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-19 Thread zed
James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:

 I just came across this article.
 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992
 
 

The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

David
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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-18 Thread James Knott
I just came across this article.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-18 Thread James Knott
Yeah, I noticed it wasn't the greatest article too.


On 08/18/2015 04:35 PM, elderdanlewis wrote:
  He found LibreOffice lacking somewhat; I find his article lacking as 
 well. He said that it will create flat databases which it will.But he failed 
 to mention that it also creates relational databases. Nor did he mention that 
 it can be used as the front end for other databases.
 ( Just spouting off a little. )

 Dan

  Original message 
 From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com 
 Date:08/18/2015  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
 To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review  Rating | PCMag.com 

 I just came across this article.

 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992




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RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-18 Thread elderdanlewis
     He found LibreOffice lacking somewhat; I find his article lacking as well. 
He said that it will create flat databases which it will.But he failed to 
mention that it also creates relational databases. Nor did he mention that it 
can be used as the front end for other databases.
( Just spouting off a little. )

Dan

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From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com 
Date:08/18/2015  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review  Rating | PCMag.com 

I just came across this article.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-18 Thread Steve Edmonds
Hi. Is this a review for LO 4? When I click on the link I get a review 
for 4.0

Steve

On 2015-08-19 06:22, James Knott wrote:

I just came across this article.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992





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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-18 Thread Gabriele Ponzo
I've always believed that PC Mag is in M$'s payroll and this article just
confirms my thoughts.
Il 19/ago/2015 01:24, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com ha
scritto:

 Hi. Is this a review for LO 4? When I click on the link I get a review for
 4.0
 Steve

 On 2015-08-19 06:22, James Knott wrote:

 I just came across this article.


 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992




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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

2015-08-18 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2015-08-19 12:55, James Knott wrote:

On 08/18/2015 07:23 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Hi. Is this a review for LO 4? When I click on the link I get a review
for 4.0

It says 5.0, when I click on the link.


Must be a redirect because that link takes me to 
http://au.pcmag.com/libreoffice-40/2249/review/libreoffice-40



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