[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-07 Thread Andreas Säger
Walther Koehler-4 wrote > My doctors office uses a dBase based system for administration, keeping > patient records and so on. It has integrated LO for many purposes, i.e. > medical letters. As I was told, reading those dbf files using scripts is > easy > (dbf_dump), modifying dbf files from

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-05 Thread Girvin Herr
dBase files are plain text, but they have a specific format, which varies with version (feature add-ins). I did some research on the file format when I was trying to decide how I wanted to approach resurrecting my files. Another option is to use the old dBase 1.x under dosemu under Linux.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-05 Thread Walther Koehler
My doctors office uses a dBase based system for administration, keeping patient records and so on. It has integrated LO for many purposes, i.e. medical letters. As I was told, reading those dbf files using scripts is easy (dbf_dump), modifying dbf files from outside the program however tedious,

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 8/4/16 3:56 PM, Girvin Herr wrote: On 08/04/2016 09:16 AM, toki wrote: On 02/08/2016 16:39, Ken Springer wrote: Now that you mentioned dBase, you may, or may not, be aware that LO has a dBase option. But a limitation to it that I found is that older I didn't know this, but must admit

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-04 Thread Girvin Herr
On 08/04/2016 09:16 AM, toki wrote: On 02/08/2016 16:39, Ken Springer wrote: Now that you mentioned dBase, you may, or may not, be aware that LO has a dBase option. But a limitation to it that I found is that older I didn't know this, but must admit dBase is probably not the best answer. For

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-04 Thread toki
On 02/08/2016 16:39, Ken Springer wrote: >> Now that you mentioned dBase, you may, or may not, be aware that LO has >> a dBase option. But a limitation to it that I found is that older > I didn't know this, but must admit dBase is probably not the best answer. For most individuals, dBase3 is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-03 Thread Heinrich Stoellinger
Hello, I agree full-heartedly with Alex, but then I have been working with relational DBs ever since my days at IBM (DB2), where I specialised on databases for a while. In fact I happened to get to know one of the fathers of that technology - Chris Date. I have been using OO and LO with a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-03 Thread Bruce Hohl
Base and some of its limitations (including enbedded HSQLDB) are well described here: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQ_(Base) The last two times I needed a multi user database accessible over the web I went with a LAMP approach. The *upfront* set up and learning curve was higher but *less*

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-03 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 02/08/2016 à 00:23, Ian Whitfield a écrit : Hi Ian, > > *Re: The LO Base discussion* - just my "Penny's Worth"!!! > > The only way I got any (sort of results) was by using MySQL as the > backend but it took a couple of months to get it working and after a few > months even that crashed on

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-02 Thread jorge
Hi all: For collections, there are two programs on GNU / Linux Ubuntu and usually on others Distributions: 1) GCStar 2) Tellico Both have multiple options to import and export information. By the way, my little knowledge can't permit to me to share with you what kind of data base use them or

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-02 Thread Ken Springer
On 8/1/16 12:13 PM, Girvin Herr wrote: On 07/31/2016 07:36 PM, Ken Springer wrote: I understand the concept of Front End/Back End, but never have dealt with it. Nor have I ever used MySQL, Mariadb, or others. Access and a bit of dBase is all I've ever used, and in general, even then that's

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-02 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
On 1 August 2016 at 21:49, Girvin Herr wrote: > On 08/01/2016 11:35 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: > > On 1 August 2016 at 00:16, Girvin Herr > wrote: > > > Ken, > One thing about Kexi. I looked at it a few weeks ago and discovered

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-01 Thread Ian Whitfield
*Hi all* *Re: The LO Base discussion* - just my "Penny's Worth"!!! After a 5+ years effort to use LO Base I have given up completely!! It is *NOT* usable at all in it's "out of the box" set-up, ie with the HSQL engine. It is totally unstable, crashes frequently AND - *MORE IMPORTANT* -

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-01 Thread Girvin Herr
On 08/01/2016 11:35 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: On 1 August 2016 at 00:16, Girvin Herr wrote: Ken, One thing about Kexi. I looked at it a few weeks ago and discovered that Kexi has a capability of reading Access database files to some degree. However, it

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-01 Thread Girvin Herr
On 07/31/2016 07:36 PM, Ken Springer wrote: I understand the concept of Front End/Back End, but never have dealt with it. Nor have I ever used MySQL, Mariadb, or others. Access and a bit of dBase is all I've ever used, and in general, even then that's more power than I've ever needed.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-08-01 Thread toki
On 31/07/2016 19:32, Ken Springer wrote: > Personally, I like the idea of the complete database package, as I think > it makes it easier for the average person to create something useful for > them. How much functionality does the Access2Base extension offer, in terms of making it easier to

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-07-31 Thread Ken Springer
On 7/31/16 4:16 PM, Girvin Herr wrote: On 07/31/2016 12:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 7/30/16 3:30 PM, jorge wrote: Hi: On GNU / Linux / Ubuntu, and of course in other distributions, there are to program that you would probe because could help you to export Access DB to open document: 1)

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-07-31 Thread Andreas Säger
After all the years I'm still shocked by the level of ignorance on this user support mailing list. https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83=25300 -- View this message in context:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-07-31 Thread Girvin Herr
On 07/31/2016 12:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 7/30/16 3:30 PM, jorge wrote: Hi: On GNU / Linux / Ubuntu, and of course in other distributions, there are to program that you would probe because could help you to export Access DB to open document: 1) MDBtools (View and export MSAccess db) 2)

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-07-31 Thread Harvey Nimmo
On Sun, 2016-07-31 at 13:32 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: > On 7/30/16 8:40 AM, Harvey Nimmo wrote: > > On Fri, 2016-07-29 at 20:53 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: > > > The subject says it all, how successful is Base in importing > > > Access > > > Databases? > > > > > > LO 5.0.x > > > > > > -- > > >

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-07-31 Thread Ken Springer
On 7/30/16 3:30 PM, jorge wrote: Hi: On GNU / Linux / Ubuntu, and of course in other distributions, there are to program that you would probe because could help you to export Access DB to open document: 1) MDBtools (View and export MSAccess db) 2) Kexi of Caligra Suite that say it is able to

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility of LO Base with Access databases

2016-07-31 Thread Ken Springer
On 7/30/16 8:40 AM, Harvey Nimmo wrote: On Fri, 2016-07-29 at 20:53 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: The subject says it all, how successful is Base in importing Access Databases? LO 5.0.x -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 44.0 Thunderbird 38.0.1 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2015-11-02 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 11/02/2015 03:05 AM, James E. Lang wrote: "Ordinary end user" is a trade marked phrase for what company? Yes, that is the question. I saw on a computer commercial - cannot remember which company - trademarked "hit the ground running". I have been using that phrase since the late 60's.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2015-11-01 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/1/15 7:59 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: http://softmaker.de Never heard of this product. Plus I am not interested in buying another office suite that needs to be bought over again, and again, to keep it up-to-date. FYI for everyone, Softmaker has a free version of their

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2015-11-01 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 10/31/2015 10:50 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 26.10.2015 um 17:04 schrieb p.a.2k9: Hi, Before I decide to download your software I wanted to check on its compatibility with other providers ie microsoft office, word, excel as I use those at work but need to do work at home sometimes using

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2015-11-01 Thread Bastián Díaz
El 01-11-2015 11:59, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster escribió: - "ordinary end user"(tm) People will trademark anything these days. What's next? "the water is blue" or "the >sun rises in the east"? The trademark is not everything, but I think it does not matter if there are many office

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2015-10-31 Thread V Stuart Foote
Andreas Säger wrote > Am 26.10.2015 um 17:04 schrieb p.a.2k9: >> Hi, >> Before I decide to download your software I wanted to check on its >> compatibility with other providers ie microsoft office, word, excel as I >> use those at work but need to do work at home sometimes using sheets >> already

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2015-10-31 Thread Andreas Säger
V Stuart Foote wrote > > +1 -- I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for folks to > grasp ;-) I found that a whole lot of people suffer from the misconception that their document files contain computer instructions. When I select a portion of text, click the bold button and save the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-02-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Urmas' last few posts have been really useful so it's not really fair to say he/she is always a pain. That last post was the first outbreak of trollishness for many months. Regards from Tom :) On 31 January 2015 at 19:26, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-31 18:26 GMT+01:00

[libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-31 Thread Urmas
Alex Thurgood: database programming with freely accessible tools, rather than being locked in to one vendor. Such as? Don't tell me fosstards have developed something as elegant as Access. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-31 Thread Cley Faye
2015-01-31 18:26 GMT+01:00 Urmas davian...@gmail.com: fosstards We can all thanks Urmas for raising the level of discussions here. That's outright aggressive, for those that still have doubt. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

[libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-31 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 29/01/2015 14:45, lalitadatta a écrit : Hi, My daughter's in need of Microsoft access for her homework - she's studying computer technology at high school, and she needs Access for coding. Anyone knows if liber office should do the job? Short answer - no. LibreOffice will not produce

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-30 Thread Philip Jordan
Sometimes (in the uk in the past) Schools /or Education authorities could help by being a vehicle via which to buy something like this: but currently, assuming you're in the UK, it could be that our continuing austerity is a reason (among others) why this is no longer true? So,perhaps too, the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-30 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Good point! Is there some IT into Schools scheme? Some areas have computer shops that sell 2nd hand machines or refurbished ones but for a school kid i think you kinda have to go for something new with a bit of a wow factor otherwise kids kinda get picked on. I'm not much good at picking

[libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with Microsoft Access

2015-01-30 Thread lalitadatta
Hi all, Thank you very much for your support. After reading all the responses, I think I will have to get my daughter a laptop and get her to download Access through the school at a cheaper price. Since all our computers runs Windows Vista, and the Access from school only works on Win 7 or

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility issue opening an .xlsx file with calc: Err:509

2014-06-30 Thread m.a.riosv
Hi Eric, I think the problem is with what I guess are the table fields, not supported by LibreOffice, as range of named ranges. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4114219/Captura.png Miguel Ángel -- View this message in context:

[libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with documents edited in officesuite 7

2013-08-10 Thread Pedro
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote I'm just staggered there is STILL no Office suite for Android that will edit and save odf documents... There is AndrOpenOffice (which is not by Apache) but it seems to be a direct port of the desktop version, which makes it unusable in a smartphone. Maybe in a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with documents edited in officesuite 7

2013-08-10 Thread James Knott
Pedro wrote: The problem with ODF is that only LibreOffice and OpenOffice use it... So Actually, MS Office does now too, as does KWrite. There is also an ODF viewer for Android. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-06 Thread Urmas
Milos Sramek: I observe that LibreOffice and MS Office display even simple documents, containing just a few paragraphs with numbered and bulleted lists, differently. I would like to understand the situation and to know This is an intentional strategy of vendor lock-in using ODF document

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-06 Thread Tom Davies
...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 17:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO Milos Sramek: I observe that LibreOffice and MS Office display even simple documents, containing just a few paragraphs with numbered and bulleted lists, differently. I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-06 Thread Doug
On 05/06/2013 12:11 PM, Urmas wrote: Milos Sramek: I observe that LibreOffice and MS Office display even simple documents, containing just a few paragraphs with numbered and bulleted lists, differently. I would like to understand the situation and to know This is an intentional strategy of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-06 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 05/06/2013 02:15 PM, Doug wrote: On 05/06/2013 12:11 PM, Urmas wrote: Milos Sramek: I observe that LibreOffice and MS Office display even simple documents, containing just a few paragraphs with numbered and bulleted lists, differently. I would like to understand the situation and to know

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 12:20 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Check the voracity for yourself Hungry, Tom?LOL Sorry, I couldn't resist! -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.3 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.1.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
Tom :)  From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 20:43 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility LO/MSO On 5/5/13 12:20 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Check the voracity for yourself Hungry, Tom?    LOL

[libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with openoffice on a rtf file

2012-08-31 Thread Andreas Säger
Am 31.08.2012 09:55, zig wrote: I solved the problem following the advise of the first answer (save the document as .doc) and it is readable in LO,OO and Word. If you think it can be useful I can post a bug-report Thanks No, I don't think it would be useful. There is no way to implement all

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with openoffice on a rtf file

2012-08-31 Thread Tom Davies
@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012, 11:16 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: compatibility with openoffice on a rtf file Am 31.08.2012 09:55, zig wrote: I solved the problem following the advise of the first answer (save the document as .doc) and it is readable in LO,OO and Word

Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-25 Thread Tom Davies
:) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 23 August, 2011 16:21:11 Subject: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX) In my honest opinion, write support for OOXML is a mistake

[libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Andreas Säger
In my honest opinion, write support for OOXML is a mistake. LibreOffice should not help spreading a file format which has been bribed through the standardization boards for 2 reasons: fight the ODF standard and establish a non-free XML format for MS applications only. Microsoft's Office Open XML

OT Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Andreas Säger wrote (23-08-11 17:21) In my honest opinion, write support for OOXML is a mistake. LibreOffice should not help spreading a file format which has been bribed through the standardization boards for 2 reasons: fight the ODF standard and establish a non-free XML format for MS

Re: OT Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Andreas Säger
Cor Nouws wrote: Andreas Säger wrote (23-08-11 17:21) In my honest opinion, write support for OOXML is a mistake. LibreOffice should not help spreading a file format which has been bribed through the standardization boards for 2 reasons: fight the ODF standard and establish a non-free XML

Re: OT Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Andreas Säger wrote (23-08-11 20:44) Read-only access does not harm anyone. Unless you have to co-operate and OOMXL is expected. (You may ask yourself if you want to work in such a situation in the first place, but well, the world and office apps do not end now or next year... will be there

Re: OT Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Andreas Säger
Currently there is no application which handles OOXML but not the binary doc/xls/ppt. You can send binaries and they will open in WinWord without problem. There may be very, very rare cases where XML processors handle the document rather than WinWord. Well, I think that not handling these rare

Re: OT Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Andreas Säger wrote (23-08-11 21:07) Currently there is no application which handles OOXML but not the binary doc/xls/ppt. You can send binaries and they will open in WinWord without problem. There may be very, very rare cases where XML processors handle the document rather than WinWord. Well, I

Re: OT Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Compatibility problems between LO Calc and EXCEL 2007 and 2010 (XLSX)

2011-08-23 Thread Andreas Säger
Cor Nouws wrote: Andreas Säger wrote (23-08-11 21:07) Currently there is no application which handles OOXML but not the binary doc/xls/ppt. You can send binaries and they will open in WinWord without problem. There may be very, very rare cases where XML processors handle the document

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2

2011-04-21 Thread NoOp
On 04/20/2011 07:21 AM, planas wrote: ... The only time I have ever see an office suite removed is when I used the Ubuntu repository to install LO, OOo was removed by the OS. This is a Linux only issue when using the repository. I do not know if other Linux distros do this. If you installed LO

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2

2011-04-20 Thread Tom Davies
@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 20 April, 2011 8:35:14 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2 All, I agree with many to a large extent. You can't expect business to be smart enough or even care enough to act in the best interest of their customers. The right thing is never thoroughly

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2

2011-04-20 Thread Ken Springer
On 4/20/11 5:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There seems to be an assumption that MS Office would be un-installed or that people would be forced to stop using MS Office and that the change would have to be implemented 'overnight'. None of that assumption is valid. Agreed, it would be a gradual

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility 2

2011-04-19 Thread Ken Springer
On 4/19/11 4:57 AM, t...@iafrica.com wrote: You simply cannot expect a commercial concern who have already spent a fortune on MS licences to download and use LibO just because I want to send them an non-standard slide show. They won't change therefore if I want the business I have to end

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Glenn
Hi, Yes. I suppose it must be BootCamp. I have used an iMAC for so long, I guess I forget. I apologize for the confusion. I'll look into it further before troubling you anymore. Glenn What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Ken Springer
On 4/18/11 8:59 AM, Glenn wrote: Hi, Yes. I suppose it must be BootCamp. I have used an iMAC for so long, I guess I forget. I apologize for the confusion. I'll look into it further before troubling you anymore. Glenn It was no trouble for me, in fact, it was a good thing. I never used Boot

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Wayne Borean
Reverse experience here. I stopped doing maintenance on my computers after I dumped Windows. Best move I ever made, it freed up a ton of time for more productive things. As to Microsoft giving us universal communications - horse manure. It was MicroPro that did that, with WordStar, back when the

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Wayne Borean
Um, yes, the thread is messed up. Never used Parallels or Boot Camp myself, but I have had good success with Virtual Box from Oracle/Sun. It's a bit tricky the first go around, but once you get used to it, it's really neat, and you can run as many different operating systems as you have disk space

[libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Ken Springer
On 4/18/11 12:06 PM, Wayne Borean wrote: Ken, Agreed. But for testing, it's perfect. Wayne No argument there. I ran XP Pro via Parallels side by side for about a year and a half until I had some of the Mac figured out. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Glenn
Yep! In the last 8 years since switching to iMAC, I have only had about 4 fixes to apply (including release upgrades). Occasional blue screens are unacceptable if you have work to do. I do not use LibreOffice to the same extent some users on this forum do. So I cannot speak on that.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Glenn
Hi, If memory serves me correctly, iMAC's Unix kernel IS Linux. MAC OS X is absolutely built on top of a Unix kernel from NextStep. Mr. Jobs seems to have seen to that in OS X. That's the main reason OS X is so stable. Nothing to install if using BootCamp! I just haven't played with it in a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility

2011-04-18 Thread Tom Davies
glenns...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 20:37:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Compatibility Hi, If memory serves me correctly, iMAC's Unix kernel IS Linux. MAC OS X is absolutely built on top of a Unix kernel from NextStep. Mr. Jobs seems to have seen