[libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Le 2013-02-20 21:33, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Europe A4 size Perhaps that should be everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size. Brian Barker I do not know about the rest of the world. I knew that Europe tend to use A4. Why USA and Canada uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows. Here is a short history on it: http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/ Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
On 02/21/2013 04:01 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2013-02-20 21:33, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Europe A4 size Perhaps that should be everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size. Brian Barker I do not know about the rest of the world. I knew that Europe tend to use A4. Why USA and Canada uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows. Here is a short history on it: http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/ Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing. Cheers, Marc The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. We are using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, people grew up learning the English system of feet/inches, pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the base-ten metric measurements. Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system. Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list goes on and on. All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be thinking about using A4 regularly. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
On 02/21/2013 10:59 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 02/21/2013 04:01 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2013-02-20 21:33, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Europe A4 size Perhaps that should be everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size. Brian Barker I do not know about the rest of the world. I knew that Europe tend to use A4. Why USA and Canada uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows. Here is a short history on it: http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/ Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing. Cheers, Marc The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. We are using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, people grew up learning the English system of feet/inches, pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the base-ten metric measurements. Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system. Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list goes on and on. All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be thinking about using A4 regularly. The thing that matters most in the USA is economics. When it becomes more economical to use the metric system, we will change very rapidly. In the past, we produced soft drinks in the quart size. When the demand for packaging them in liters for sale overseas, two different measuring systems increased their costs. So, large soft drink containers were produced exclusively in liters sizes to save money. I suppose the equivalent for printers is this: when it becomes cheaper to make a printer which will print A4 (and thus letter size with a small added border) and the demand is high enough, printers will rather quickly change to using A4 as the standard size. All of this is my personal opinion, of course. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move to it. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. krackedpress wrote Here are two brochure templates. Since Tom had some questions about margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I use, or at least the letter size one. They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. Hi. I also add a fine tick line a couple of mm (1/8) long right at the edge of the paper in the centre of each column break, top and bottom, as folding guides. Really fine and if necessary gray so they can just be seen. Steve -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/brochure-templates-for-letter-and-A4-sizes-tp4038980p4039247.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
On 02/21/2013 12:11 PM, James Knott wrote: webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move to it. Economicsis the key. We do have most things in the grocery store listing both English and Metric measurements. That is for economics as well, since these items would not need different package designs for the regions of the world that speak English and use metric. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 02/21/2013 12:11 PM, James Knott wrote: webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move to it. Economicsis the key. We do have most things in the grocery store listing both English and Metric measurements. That is for economics as well, since these items would not need different package designs for the regions of the world that speak English and use metric. Economics had nothing to do with it. Reagan was a stick in the mud conservative who didn't want change. Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of the world. As a result, the U.S. is stuck with an obsolete system that uses arbitrary units. IIRC, there are only 3 countries in the world that don't use the metric system and 2 of them are 3rd world. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) From my experiences of office workers i would definitely avoid a line to guide folding. They will miss it. Whether on purpose or by accident they will find ways to avoid the line and probably in a different way for each leaflet. Regards from Tom :) From: steveedmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 17:32 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. krackedpress wrote Here are two brochure templates. Since Tom had some questions about margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I use, or at least the letter size one. They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. Hi. I also add a fine tick line a couple of mm (1/8) long right at the edge of the paper in the centre of each column break, top and bottom, as folding guides. Really fine and if necessary gray so they can just be seen. Steve -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/brochure-templates-for-letter-and-A4-sizes-tp4038980p4039247.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) Even NASA use feet and inches. How many feet left to dock. Even their plans to go to the moon go by feet. I wonder if half the computers they use are purely to convert between feet and miles and another half to convert to the metric systems used by everyone else they co-ordinate with. Regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 16:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes On 02/21/2013 10:59 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 02/21/2013 04:01 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2013-02-20 21:33, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Europe A4 size Perhaps that should be everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size. Brian Barker I do not know about the rest of the world. I knew that Europe tend to use A4. Why USA and Canada uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows. Here is a short history on it: http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/ Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing. Cheers, Marc The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. We are using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, people grew up learning the English system of feet/inches, pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the base-ten metric measurements. Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system. Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list goes on and on. All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be thinking about using A4 regularly. The thing that matters most in the USA is economics. When it becomes more economical to use the metric system, we will change very rapidly. In the past, we produced soft drinks in the quart size. When the demand for packaging them in liters for sale overseas, two different measuring systems increased their costs. So, large soft drink containers were produced exclusively in liters sizes to save money. I suppose the equivalent for printers is this: when it becomes cheaper to make a printer which will print A4 (and thus letter size with a small added border) and the demand is high enough, printers will rather quickly change to using A4 as the standard size. All of this is my personal opinion, of course. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) Going to the moon by foot sounds a tad tricksy. So, sometimes base 12, sometimes base 20, sometimes base 8 (i think?) and sometimes base (some horribly high number). I wonder if adult numeracy rates would improve if they just stuck with base 10 for everything. Not sure it worked here tbh Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 18:05 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes Hi :) Even NASA use feet and inches. How many feet left to dock. Even their plans to go to the moon go by feet. I wonder if half the computers they use are purely to convert between feet and miles and another half to convert to the metric systems used by everyone else they co-ordinate with. Regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 16:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes On 02/21/2013 10:59 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 02/21/2013 04:01 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2013-02-20 21:33, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/20/2013 05:11 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 14:36 20/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Europe A4 size Perhaps that should be everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size. Brian Barker I do not know about the rest of the world. I knew that Europe tend to use A4. Why USA and Canada uses letter size when the rest use A4, who knows. Here is a short history on it: http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/ Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing. Cheers, Marc The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. We are using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, people grew up learning the English system of feet/inches, pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the base-ten metric measurements. Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system. Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list goes on and on. All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be thinking about using A4 regularly. The thing that matters most in the USA is economics. When it becomes more economical to use the metric system, we will change very rapidly. In the past, we produced soft drinks in the quart size. When the demand for packaging them in liters for sale overseas, two different measuring systems increased their costs. So, large soft drink containers were produced exclusively in liters sizes to save money. I suppose the equivalent for printers is this: when it becomes cheaper to make a printer which will print A4 (and thus letter size with a small added border) and the demand is high enough, printers will rather quickly change to using A4 as the standard size. All of this is my personal opinion, of course. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Tom Davies wrote: Even NASA use feet and inches. You may recall a Mars mission that failed as it approached Mars due to unit conversion error. There was also an Air Canada plane that ran out of fuel mid flight, again due to conversion error. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
At 10:59 21/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: ... if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric ... ... business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, ... All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced ... The international paper sizes haven't been around for ever. Every country in the word but two has jumped these hurdles already. Indeed, because everything needed is already available, it is even simpler for the last two countries to catch up. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) I thought the plane one was due to switching to using Windows which ran auto-updates in mid-flight and then forced a reboot (switching off and then switching on again). (ie an urban myth) Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 18:10 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes Tom Davies wrote: Even NASA use feet and inches. You may recall a Mars mission that failed as it approached Mars due to unit conversion error. There was also an Air Canada plane that ran out of fuel mid flight, again due to conversion error. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 2013-02-21 12:41 PM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Economics had nothing to do with it. Opinions are... Reagan was a stick in the mud conservative who didn't want change. Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of the world. Economics meant it would have cost the govt a TON of money to change over. Arguments can be made for LONG-term savings, but the reality is, short term it would be a huge expense. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) I thought the plane one was due to switching to using Windows which ran auto-updates in mid-flight and then forced a reboot (switching off and then switching on again). (ie an urban myth) Regards from Tom:) Read up on the Gimli Glider. It actually happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_glider -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Tanstaafl wrote: Opinions are... Reagan was a stick in the mud conservative who didn't want change. Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of the world. Economics meant it would have cost the govt a TON of money to change over. Arguments can be made for LONG-term savings, but the reality is, short term it would be a huge expense. The longer the wait, the greater the long term cost of remaining with an obsolete system. Regardless, my opinion of Reagan stands. He demonstrated similar behavior on other issues too. He was an old geezer who liked things the way they were, progress be damned. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
On 02/21/2013 12:32 PM, steveedmonds wrote: They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. krackedpress wrote Here are two brochure templates. Since Tom had some questions about margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I use, or at least the letter size one. They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. Hi. I also add a fine tick line a couple of mm (1/8) long right at the edge of the paper in the centre of each column break, top and bottom, as folding guides. Really fine and if necessary gray so they can just be seen. Steve I have made some folding guides before. Use some dotted line that is really light gray and not long. I made sure there was one on top and on the bottom of the page so the folder could use them to line up the edge. For LO, I would use Separator line the dotted line 0.25pt width 35% Centered Gray 10% or something similar if I was printing in bw or a color that matches the color of the paper. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) Wow!! Thanks for that! Seems that Captain Robert Pearson and First Officer Maurice Quintal and the rest of the crew and all were totally heroic in managing a landing with less than minimal gauges and less than basic functionality with only minimal bumps and scratches to show for it. [tips hat] Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 18:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) I thought the plane one was due to switching to using Windows which ran auto-updates in mid-flight and then forced a reboot (switching off and then switching on again). (ie an urban myth) Regards from Tom:) Read up on the Gimli Glider. It actually happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_glider -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) The problem is not a technical one but a people one. If you are the one doing the folding then the guides help but if it's someone else then there is a good chance they really don't give a stuff how bad it looks. In which case the lines wont help and may even add to the shoddy appearance of the end-result. I got trapped into doing all the folding because there are only 2 of us capable of folding adequately and both of us find that doing so is actually faster. When i realised i'd got myself trapped i kept quiet about who the other good person was. Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 18:57 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes On 02/21/2013 12:32 PM, steveedmonds wrote: They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. krackedpress wrote Here are two brochure templates. Since Tom had some questions about margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I use, or at least the letter size one. They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that shrinks to fit page, or similar. The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you. Hi. I also add a fine tick line a couple of mm (1/8) long right at the edge of the paper in the centre of each column break, top and bottom, as folding guides. Really fine and if necessary gray so they can just be seen. Steve I have made some folding guides before. Use some dotted line that is really light gray and not long. I made sure there was one on top and on the bottom of the page so the folder could use them to line up the edge. For LO, I would use Separator line the dotted line 0.25pt width 35% Centered Gray 10% or something similar if I was printing in bw or a color that matches the color of the paper. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
-Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:20 PM To: James Knott Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes I'm old enough to remember the push back in the '70s to move to the metric system in America. At the time, it made a lot of sense to me simply because everything metric is in multiples of 10. But, I think the biggest bugaboo for Americans was that we just couldn't get the handle of visualizing and conceiving the actual size of things in metric units. I can visualize and estimate a foot, a yard, even a mile. I have a harder time estimating a meter or kilometer. In terms of absolute size, there is nothing about an inch that is any more or less arbitrary than a centimeter. Both are identifiable and equally arbitrary spans of space. A yard is no more or less arbitrary than a meter. It's just that a meter is broken down into subparts measured in multiples of ten, whereas the yard is broken down into units of three feet and 36 inches. Certainly, the metric system makes more sense internally, but for those of us accustomed to inches, feet, and yards, we see no problem with it. And, I think that is the reason things won't change here. Until we perceive our system as broken, we won't look for ways to fix it, especially if it costs money to do so. It works for us just fine, thank you, even if it is goofy. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:54 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes Tanstaafl wrote: Opinions are... Reagan was a stick in the mud conservative who didn't want change. Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of the world. Economics meant it would have cost the govt a TON of money to change over. Arguments can be made for LONG-term savings, but the reality is, short term it would be a huge expense. The longer the wait, the greater the long term cost of remaining with an obsolete system. Regardless, my opinion of Reagan stands. He demonstrated similar behavior on other issues too. He was an old geezer who liked things the way they were, progress be damned. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm old enough to remember the push back in the '70s to move to the metric system in America. At the time, it made a lot of sense to me simply because everything metric is in multiples of 10. But, I think the biggest bugaboo for Americans was that we just couldn't get the handle of visualizing and conceiving the actual size of things in metric units. I can visualize and estimate a foot, a yard, even a mile. I have a harder time estimating a meter or kilometer. Every country that switched went through that. Are Americans dumber than everyone else? In terms of absolute size, there is nothing about an inch that is any more or less arbitrary than a centimeter. Both are identifiable and equally arbitrary spans of space. A yard is no more or less arbitrary than a meter. It's just that a meter is broken down into subparts measured in multiples of ten, whereas the yard is broken down into units of three feet and 36 inches. Certainly, the metric system makes more sense internally, but for those of us accustomed to inches, feet, and yards, we see no problem with it. The metric system was based on actual physical units. For example, the metre was originally 1/10,000,000 the distance from the equator to the poles. The celcius temperature scale was based on the freezing and boiling points of water etc. Now compare that to how inches, yards, miles (which one?) etc. were determined. Why is there a difference between U.S. Imperial gallons? There's even a difference in the size of the fluid ounce, so that the U.S. ounce is bigger than the Imperial. Then we get to a U.S. gallon is 4 quarts, a quart is 32 ounces (but bigger ounces than Imperical) and an Imperial gallon is 4 quarts, but that quart is 40 (smaller) ounces. Makes for a lot of fun, doesn't it. And, I think that is the reason things won't change here. Until we perceive our system as broken, we won't look for ways to fix it, especially if it costs money to do so. It works for us just fine, thank you, even if it is goofy. The problem is that some people, such as Reagan, refuse to acknowledge the problem. On the other hand, Carter, a professional engineer, could certainly appreciate the benefits of the metric system. When you work in science or engineering, the metric system leaves the old units in the dust. There is simply no comparison. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
At 14:20 21/02/2013 -0500, Virgil Arrington wrote: But, I think the biggest bugaboo for Americans was that we just couldn't get the handle of visualizing and conceiving the actual size of things in metric units. I can visualize and estimate a foot, a yard, even a mile. I have a harder time estimating a meter or kilometer. Children throughout the world can do it. Even you could! You'll never do it until you determine to do so; the only problem is that you haven't yet tried. (And anyway, if you are estimating, a metre *is* a yard!) Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Brian Barker wrote: (And anyway, if you are estimating, a metre *is* a yard!) Or more closely, 40 or precisely 39.37. BTW, the official definition of a foot is now 30.48 cm. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Hi :) It does take time to get used to it. We should really focus on helping people that want to migrate to LibreOffice and worry about the rest later (Or never). lol (yes i know i was being hypocritical there and it has been fun) Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 19:38 Subject: Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes At 14:20 21/02/2013 -0500, Virgil Arrington wrote: But, I think the biggest bugaboo for Americans was that we just couldn't get the handle of visualizing and conceiving the actual size of things in metric units. I can visualize and estimate a foot, a yard, even a mile. I have a harder time estimating a meter or kilometer. Children throughout the world can do it. Even you could! You'll never do it until you determine to do so; the only problem is that you haven't yet tried. (And anyway, if you are estimating, a metre *is* a yard!) Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
At 14:47 21/02/2013 -0500, James Knott wrote: Brian Barker wrote: (And anyway, if you are estimating, a metre *is* a yard!) Or more closely, 40 or precisely 39.37. Sorry, but you have delusions of precision. The claim I was commenting on was that *estimating* (not my word) a yard was easy but a metre was difficult (or impossible?). If you need to estimate a yard or a metre without the aid of any measuring device, the precision you can hope for requires no difference. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
Brian Barker wrote: Or more closely, 40 or precisely 39.37. Sorry, but you have delusions of precision. You mean you can't eyeball 39.37 cm? ;-) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
On 2013-02-21 1:54 PM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: The longer the wait, the greater the long term cost of remaining with an obsolete system. Regardless, my opinion of Reagan stands. He demonstrated similar behavior on other issues too. He was an old geezer who liked things the way they were, progress be damned. As if any President in the last 120 years has been any good. But this isn't a political list, so lets leave politics out of it, eh? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes
How about keeping this thread about the brochure issues and not the pros and cons of Metric and Imperial [English] measurements. I started it, and if people want to go on with the pros/cons, maybe you can start a new thread in the discuss list. +100 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Escuelas Libres :: Porque la educación es mucho mejor cuando es libre www.escuelaslibres.org.ar --- Para entrenar, cualquier programa sirve. Para educar, sólo Software Libre. (Federico Heinz) --- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
