Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 18:48, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:04 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/12/23 16:20, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2023 02:58 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: So does the hostname command, but it no longer works, either.

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:04 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 5/12/23 16:20, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > >> > >> On 05/12/2023 02:58 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > >>> So does the hostname command, but it no longer works, either. > >> > >> I just tried

Re: Any x86_64 Fedora Tablets out there?

2023-05-12 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 5/12/23 17:44, Allan via users wrote: On Thu, 11 May 2023 17:01:35 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 5/11/23 15:35, Allan via users wrote: On Mon, 8 May 2023 18:51:54 +0200 Mario Marietto wrote: my newborn interest is already over. Well, we do try to support a few of them in

Re: Any x86_64 Fedora Tablets out there?

2023-05-12 Thread Allan via users
On Thu, 11 May 2023 17:01:35 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 5/11/23 15:35, Allan via users wrote: > > On Mon, 8 May 2023 18:51:54 +0200 > > Mario Marietto wrote: > > > >> > >> my newborn interest is already over. > > > > Well, we do try to support a few of them in the Mobility SIG >

Re: F38/Xfce - background DNF checks still going

2023-05-12 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 13:08 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Looks like I am going to have to just uninstall dhf-dragora. > > Even after > > systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer > > Still got > > dnf update > Last metadata expiration check: 0:18:17 ago on Fri 12 May 2023 12:45:30 > PM EDT. >

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 16:20, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2023 02:58 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: So does the hostname command, but it no longer works, either. I just tried the basic command, and it worked just fine. What doesn't it do for you that it's

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2023 05:20 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2023 02:58 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: So does the hostname command, but it no longer works, either. I just tried the basic command, and it worked just fine. What doesn't it do for you that

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 05/12/2023 02:58 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > So does the hostname command, but it no longer works, either. > > I just tried the basic command, and it worked just fine. What doesn't > it do for you that it's supposed to? Set the hostname

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Roger Heflin
If the switch is dumb enough and won't disable a port if it sees the same mac address on 2 ports then linux bonding active-active round-robin has worked for me before. If the switch is smart enough it will disable one of the 2 ports. This is using dumb bonding no LAG, and the switch will bounce

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 14:38, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Samuel Sieb said: If you have two gigabit interfaces and a managed switch, you can also team the interfaces for double the bandwidth. Still much cheaper than going to 10Gb. You do not get double the bandwidth from a LAG, except under

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote: If you have two gigabit interfaces and a managed switch, you can also team the interfaces for double the bandwidth.  Still much cheaper than going to 10Gb. Sadly, right now I just have an unmanaged switch. I would either have to upgrade to a new switch or

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Samuel Sieb said: > If you have two gigabit interfaces and a managed switch, you can > also team the interfaces for double the bandwidth. Still much > cheaper than going to 10Gb. You do not get double the bandwidth from a LAG, except under the most ideal circumstances; you

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 07:41, Roger Heflin wrote: At home I question the value of it. You might even simply test your nfs home setup and see if you can even get close to Gbit speeds, unless you have a newer machine and a good underlying disk setup you probably aren't going to get there. And you also need

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said: > For short runs, you can use DAC cables; no need for separate SFP+ > modules. FS.com has 2m 10G DAC cables for $14. It's a trade-off... cards that take SFP+s tend to cost more than cards with just an RJ-45 jack. I do have a DAC cable between my router and

Re: Firefox - detection of exiting tabs with URLs

2023-05-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 23:27 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 11:38 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Looks like you should report this upstream. I doubt it's a Fedora > > bug. > > > > poc > > POC, you didn't trim your quotes!  ;-) > > I had to wait a long time to get that

Re: F38/Xfce - background DNF checks still going

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 14:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 5/12/23 13:20, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/12/23 10:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 5/11/23 05:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 19:13 +0930, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 16:41 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 13:58, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:52 PM Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2023 02:36 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Unfortunately, shutdown and reboot are not Posix commands, so they don't have specified behavior:

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2023 02:58 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: So does the hostname command, but it no longer works, either. I just tried the basic command, and it worked just fine. What doesn't it do for you that it's supposed to? ___ users mailing list --

Re: F38/Xfce - background DNF checks still going

2023-05-12 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 5/12/23 13:20, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/12/23 10:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 5/11/23 05:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 19:13 +0930, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 16:41 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I thought I disabled dnfdragona from doing its 3?

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:52 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 05/12/2023 02:36 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > Unfortunately, shutdown and reboot are not Posix commands, so they > > don't have specified behavior: > > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/utilities.html > > That may be, but

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2023 02:36 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Unfortunately, shutdown and reboot are not Posix commands, so they don't have specified behavior: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/utilities.html That may be, but shutdown, at least has a man page.

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 3:25 AM Andras Simon wrote: > > 2023-05-04 12:58 UTC+02:00, t_pol : > > Frequently "systemctl poweroff" does NOT really "power off" the machine but > > simply halts the system. > > Does > > shutdown -h now > > work? If yes, would it be an adequate replacement? If no, I'd

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 5/12/23 10:51, Thomas Cameron wrote: I generally agree, but I was leaning towards consumer grade this time primarily for noise reasons. Enterprise class gear is just noisy as heck, and I am trying to keep the noise levels down in my home office. It's already pretty loud with the Proliants.

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread t_pol
Thanks Roger, I'll try that. Angelo On Fri, 12 May 2023 13:02:24 -0500 Roger Heflin wrote: > you could do this and see if this works. > > stop all apps you care about and then: > sync > echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger > > That will call the kernel directly and immediately power the machine >

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Roger Heflin
you could do this and see if this works. stop all apps you care about and then: sync echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger That will call the kernel directly and immediately power the machine off, if that does not work then the kernel itself does not know how to power it off. And if that does not work,

Re: Firefox - detection of exiting tabs with URLs

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 00:54, lejeczek via users wrote: On 10/05/2023 22:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/10/23 12:47, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 13:04 +0200, lejeczek via users wrote: With f38 I think my Firefox is unable to detect or is ignoring tabs which are already opened in other

Re: F38/Xfce - background DNF checks still going

2023-05-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/12/23 10:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 5/11/23 05:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 19:13 +0930, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 16:41 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I thought I disabled dnfdragona from doing its 3? hour check for anything new.  But

Re: F38/Xfce - background DNF checks still going

2023-05-12 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 5/11/23 05:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 19:13 +0930, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 16:41 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I thought I disabled dnfdragona from doing its 3? hour check for anything new.  But whenever I do a "dnf update" I see it starting

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Patrick Mansfield via users
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 03:00:26PM +0200, t_pol wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2023 09:23:51 +0200 > Andras Simon wrote: > > Thanks for your answer Andras, > > To be honest that was the command I've always used > before "systemd" came along. > I don't know if it gives the same problem. > I'm gonna try

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 10:39, Roger Heflin wrote: yes, that would give way more speed if those desktops need that kind of speed. "Need" is relative. ;-) But I use one of the servers as a hypervisor for testing stuff, and the other is a file server. I'm mostly thinking about the file server, that's where

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Roger Heflin
yes, that would give way more speed if those desktops need that kind of speed. I have had bad enough luck with consumer grade SATA/SAS cards and nic cards that the used enterprise grade of either is a lot more likely to work reliably. I won't touch a consumer brand of that sort of stuff (unless

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 10:19, Roger Heflin wrote: And also given your hw, limit your interrupt count to the number of cores on a single socket, the interrupts will typically only happen on the local socket the given pci bus is attached to, and you would need to determine if different cards have their PCI

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 10:14, Roger Heflin wrote: Given that hardware, buy something like this instead. used, but better class of card. https://www.newegg.com/intel-e10g42bt/p/N82E16833106075?Description=10gbit%20card_re=10gbit_card-_-33-106-075-_-Product=true or something similar from the used sellers.

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Roger Heflin
And also given your hw, limit your interrupt count to the number of cores on a single socket, the interrupts will typically only happen on the local socket the given pci bus is attached to, and you would need to determine if different cards have their PCI buses connected to different sockets.

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Roger Heflin said: > To use a 10Gbit interface you will have to have multiple machines > doing large file sequential io (assuming they are wireless or gbit > interfaces) at the same time. I disagree. Both my home "server" and desktop are regular desktop motherboards (well,

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Roger Heflin
Given that hardware, buy something like this instead. used, but better class of card. https://www.newegg.com/intel-e10g42bt/p/N82E16833106075?Description=10gbit%20card_re=10gbit_card-_-33-106-075-_-Product=true or something similar from the used sellers. There seem to be a decent variety of

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 10:03, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Thomas Cameron said: Do you just use a copper SFP+ module like https://www.ebay.com/itm/164322691847 in the Microtik? I'd love to know what you use. I used QFPTEK modules from Amazon, but any should do. The Mikrotik does run a little

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 09:41, Roger Heflin wrote: I have work experience with Intel 10Gbit, Older Emulex 10GB (be[23]net driver), current Broadcom 10/25G and Mellanox 10/25G. Note that for it to be useful you*MUST* have multiple interrupts. 1Gbit interfaces used to hit a limit at around 50Mbit (the cpu

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Thomas Cameron said: > Do you just use a copper SFP+ module like > https://www.ebay.com/itm/164322691847 in the Microtik? I'd love to > know what you use. I used QFPTEK modules from Amazon, but any should do. The Mikrotik does run a little hot with them (it's passively

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Roger Heflin
I have work experience with Intel 10Gbit, Older Emulex 10GB (be[23]net driver), current Broadcom 10/25G and Mellanox 10/25G. Note that for it to be useful you *MUST* have multiple interrupts. 1Gbit interfaces used to hit a limit at around 50Mbit (the cpu was not fast enough to do the required

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
On 5/12/23 08:53, Chris Adams wrote: I have a couple of these, one in my home server (which includes NFS) and one in my primary desktop, connected through a Mikrotik CRS305 switch, and the setup works fine. I am using bridging on both systems (for VMs), and that works fine as well. Checking my

Re: Firefox - detection of exiting tabs with URLs

2023-05-12 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 11:38 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Looks like you should report this upstream. I doubt it's a Fedora bug. > > poc POC, you didn't trim your quotes! ;-) I had to wait a long time to get that joke in. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically

Re: Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Thomas Cameron said: > I use an NFS server export to mount my /home directory on my > desktop. I've got the itch to go to 10Gb ethernet, but I am reading > that the tp-link tx401 has a problem with bridging, and I use > bridging for KVM virtual machines on my desktop. I *think*

Experience with 10Gb ethernet adapters?

2023-05-12 Thread Thomas Cameron
Howdy, all - I use an NFS server export to mount my /home directory on my desktop. I've got the itch to go to 10Gb ethernet, but I am reading that the tp-link tx401 has a problem with bridging, and I use bridging for KVM virtual machines on my desktop. I *think* that you can just disable

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread t_pol
On Fri, 12 May 2023 09:23:51 +0200 Andras Simon wrote: Thanks for your answer Andras, To be honest that was the command I've always used before "systemd" came along. I don't know if it gives the same problem. I'm gonna try it. BTW. Didn't find anything in the log files (journal). Ciao, Angelo

Re: Firefox - detection of exiting tabs with URLs

2023-05-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2023-05-12 at 09:54 +0200, lejeczek via users wrote: > > > On 10/05/2023 22:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 5/10/23 12:47, Tim via users wrote: > > > On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 13:04 +0200, lejeczek via users wrote: > > > > With f38 I think my Firefox is unable to detect or is > > > > ignoring

Re: Firefox - detection of exiting tabs with URLs

2023-05-12 Thread lejeczek via users
On 10/05/2023 22:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/10/23 12:47, Tim via users wrote: On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 13:04 +0200, lejeczek via users wrote: With f38 I think my Firefox is unable to detect or is ignoring tabs which are already opened in other windows with certain URL, when I open a new tab

Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

2023-05-12 Thread Andras Simon
2023-05-04 12:58 UTC+02:00, t_pol : > Hi all. > > Frequently "systemctl poweroff" does NOT really "power off" the machine but > simply halts the system. Does shutdown -h now work? If yes, would it be an adequate replacement? If no, I'd look into the log files for a clue.