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On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:21 AM, D wrote: > On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:15:08 -0400 Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 04/27/2018 07:26 AM, D wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 Tom H

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D wrote: > On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:15:08 -0400 > Tom H wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 04/27/2018 07:26 AM, D wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 Tom H wrote: > > sudo -s

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On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:15:08 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 04/27/2018 07:26 AM, D wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 > >> Tom H wrote: > >>> > >>> sudo -s > >>> sudo su >

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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 04/27/2018 07:26 AM, D wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 >> Tom H wrote: >>> >>> sudo -s >>> sudo su >>> sudo su -l >>> sudo sh >>> sudo sh -l >>> sudo bash -l >>> ... >> >> None of the sudo

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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 04/27/2018 05:13 AM, Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> >>> I suppose that's true, but in that case, there's probably a larger issue >>> involved and you'll likely need

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On 04/27/2018 07:26 AM, D wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 Tom H wrote: sudo -s sudo su sudo su -l sudo sh sudo sh -l sudo bash -l ... None of the sudo commands listed allow you to run a graphical program ie. meld. Is there some way to do that? Wayland does not

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On 04/27/2018 05:13 AM, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: I suppose that's true, but in that case, there's probably a larger issue involved and you'll likely need a live boot of some sort anyway. There is one case where this does become a

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:24:36 -0700 Rick Stevens wrote: > On 04/26/2018 07:50 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:56:22 -0700 > > Rick Stevens wrote: > > > >> and utterly awesome and loveable) self. > > > > what?? what??? > >

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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:26 AM, D wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 > Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Bob Marcan wrote: >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:09:43 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:

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On 04/27/2018 07:26 AM, D wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 > Tom H wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Bob Marcan wrote: >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:09:43 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: On 04/26/2018 01:03 PM, Joe

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On 04/26/2018 07:50 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:56:22 -0700 > Rick Stevens wrote: > >> and utterly awesome and loveable) self. > > what?? what??? Are you saying I'm not awesome and lovable (despite my misspelling)? That kind of hurts (insert pouty

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:22:12 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Bob Marcan wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:09:43 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> On 04/26/2018 01:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > >>> On 04/26/2018 12:54

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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Bob Marcan wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:09:43 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: >> On 04/26/2018 01:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: I'm curious what you find you need to use a root

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 04/26/2018 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: >>> >>> Good to know that it will always be there. Habit for me is to use root >>> and su instead of sudo. old dog - new tricks :-) >> >> Same

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: >> >> Good to know that it will always be there. Habit for me is to use >> root and su instead of sudo. old dog - new tricks :-) > > Same here. If I ever had to work with Ubuntu, one of the first

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:25 PM, stan wrote: > I think I remember reading that there will be no default root account > after install of F28 or later. For Fedora 28 Workstation. > Again, I think I remember the workaround was to use sudo, and then > create a root

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On Thu, 2018-04-26 at 14:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:58PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system > > and > > created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I > > haveonly user bobg, no root

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:09:43 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 04/26/2018 01:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for. > > > If I need to do more than one or two things as root, it's

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For what it's worth, systemd emergency/rescue target only accept a root login. Apparently it's complicated getting it to use a user in wheel. Anyway I add two boot parameters as a workaround rather than permanently enabling root. 1 systemd.debug-shell=1 tty9 will have a root shell, no password.

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On 04/27/18 11:15, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 04/26/2018 05:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> FWIW, I never have the need to login as root from the graphical interface.  >> But I do, >> at times, have the need to issue a series of commands from the command line >> as root. >> In those cases sudo is

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On 04/26/2018 05:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: FWIW, I never have the need to login as root from the graphical interface.  But I do, at times, have the need to issue a series of commands from the command line as root. In those cases sudo is cumbersome.  So, I will use "su -".   So, no matter what

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:56:22 -0700 Rick Stevens wrote: > and utterly awesome and loveable) self. what?? what??? -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in

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On 04/26/2018 05:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 04/27/18 08:29, Rick Stevens wrote: >> On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > I think the majority opinion now is that

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On 04/27/18 08:29, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700 >>> Samuel Sieb wrote: I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user is discouraged. 

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On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700 >> Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user >>> is discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if

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On 04/26/2018 01:36 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for. The growisofs man page states "If executed under sudo(8) growisofs refuses to start." (and explains why). I don't know if there are other commands

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:54:08 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for. I used > to use that all the time, but gradually I switched over and on my > desktop system, it is extremely rare that I use it. (I think only > when the

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> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: > > I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for. The growisofs man page states "If executed under sudo(8) growisofs refuses to start." (and explains why). I don't know if there are other commands with the same issue.

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On 04/26/2018 01:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: I suppose that's true, but in that case, there's probably a larger issue involved and you'll likely need a live boot of some sort anyway. I'd find it both faster and easier to switch to a text console, log in as root and do what's needed. Of course,

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On 04/26/2018 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: Good to know that it will always be there.  Habit for me is to use root and su instead of sudo.  old dog - new tricks  :-) Same here.  If I ever had to work with Ubuntu, one of the first things I'd do is set the root

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On 04/26/2018 01:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for. If I need to do more than one or two things as root, it's easier to become root rather than type sudo over and over. That's what "sudo -i" is for.

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On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for. If I need to do more than one or two things as root, it's easier to become root rather than type sudo over and over. ___ users mailing list --

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On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: Good to know that it will always be there. Habit for me is to use root and su instead of sudo. old dog - new tricks :-) Same here. If I ever had to work with Ubuntu, one of the first things I'd do is set the root password. As things are now, you're

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On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user is discouraged. In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you need to do root things for a while, just use "sudo

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > The home directory for root is /root. Good to know that it will always be there. Habit for me is to use root and su instead of sudo. old dog - new tricks :-) > I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as

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On 04/26/2018 11:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:58PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:58PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and > created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I > haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to > keep a work space for root

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On 04/26/2018 10:53 AM, stan wrote: Thanks for the info. Does there have to be a home directory for the obligatory root account? The tone of the discussions I read was that root user was an anachronism, and linux would be better without it. That's only my interpretation, of course, so it

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:30:37 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > There *has* to be a root account. By default there is no root > password unless you set one during the installation. I think there > has been talk of removing that option from the installer. All you > have to do is "sudo

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On 04/26/18 13:25, Bob Goodwin wrote: When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be to just use "sudo -i". _ That worked ... [bobg@localhost-live ~]$ sudo passwd [sudo] password for bobg:

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On 04/26/2018 10:25 AM, stan wrote: I think I remember reading that there will be no default root account after install of F28 or later. Again, I think I remember the workaround was to use sudo, and then create a root account with useradd. You will have to specify the root directory as /root

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On 04/26/2018 10:24 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 04/26/18 13:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be to just use "sudo -i". I will try that. I did the install several

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:03:58 -0400 Bob Goodwin wrote: > I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and > created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I > haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to > keep a

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On 04/26/18 13:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be to just use "sudo -i". _ I will try that. I did the install several times thinking I was having trouble

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On 04/26/18 13:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be to just use "sudo -i". _ I will try that. I did the install several times thinking I was having trouble

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On 04/26/2018 10:03 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to keep a work space for root and I was unable to do