Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 5/27/20 9:42 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:23 PM Michael Schwendt wrote: The fundamental problem here is that it has taken a very long time for somebody to respond to the bug reporter. There has been no guidance and no hint whether anyone "somewhere" would be interested

Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/27/20 3:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote: Here's what "journalctl -b" tells me: May 27 16:48:50 tiger.protogeek.org rfkill[14554]: unblock set for all May 27 16:48:50 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295

Re: how do I fix multiple open with the same thing?

2020-05-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-28 16:28, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2020-05-27 21:19, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-05-28 11:51, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >>> Huh? >>> https://ibb.co/MnWJfMV >>> >>> Maybe you only had one program associated with .html >>> >>> Try a .txt file.  That should have a lot of 

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Michael, Ben, On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:23 PM Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Wed, 27 May 2020 12:07:35 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:30 AM Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > > > > Lately all my bug reports tend to go like this. Are others having the > > > same experience? > >

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 27 May 2020 15:42:39 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:23 PM Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > The fundamental problem here is that it has taken a very long time for > > somebody to respond to the bug reporter. There has been no guidance and > > no hint whether anyone

Re: how do I fix multiple open with the same thing?

2020-05-28 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2020-05-27 22:20, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/27/2020 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-05-27 21:13, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/27/2020 09:15 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I right click on the file->"open with" with any of my various file managers.  I typically use Krusader

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 10:00 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > There have always been components with a large number of bugzilla > tickets without a response, but Fedora has turned it into a "man > versus machine" competition. Which is unfortunate. First of all, > those automated responses come

Re: how do I fix multiple open with the same thing?

2020-05-28 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2020-05-27 21:19, Ed Greshko wrote: On 2020-05-28 11:51, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Huh? https://ibb.co/MnWJfMV Maybe you only had one program associated with .html Try a .txt file.  That should have a lot of different applicators associated with it Also, if you right-click on the

f31 :: sd card not accesible

2020-05-28 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
Hi! I have a very strange situaion with a sandisk extreme sd card: while in windows i can use it just fine in f31 i have the following: lsblk shows : NAMEMAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT mmcblk0 179:00 59.5G 0 disk dmesg says: [ 641.162507] blk_update_request: I/O error,

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:50:16 +, Suvayu Ali wrote: > It took so long, that the bug report became irrelevant. I have since > moved to a different country, with a different job, and don't have > access to the original machine. In fact, as mentioned in the bug, I > could reproduce a similar

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 18:08 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 10:00 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > There have always been components with a large number of bugzilla > > tickets without a response, but Fedora has turned it into a "man > > versus machine" competition. Which is

Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

2020-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 07:21 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-05-28 06:34, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > After being corrected by Todd, I see what you mean by the blank line. > > But > > > 3. > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > >

Multipart issues (WAS: Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72)

2020-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 13:20 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 19:55 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > I don't know Evolution, but if it's presenting choices for > > the multipart/alternative part, then that latter text/plain > > part wouldn't be included as an option. > > When

Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread Bill Shirley
For years I've installed akmod-xtables-addons with no problems. Not so with Fedora 32. It has a build error (excerpt): [..] Processing files: kmod-xtables-addons-5.6.12-300.fc32.x86_64-3.9-1.fc32.x86_64 error: Directory not found:

Re: Multipart issues (WAS: Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72)

2020-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 12:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 13:20 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 19:55 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > I don't know Evolution, but if it's presenting choices for > > > the multipart/alternative part, then that

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 5/28/20 1:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 18:08 +0930, Tim via users wrote: Perhaps there should be an automated culling of participants. If you step up the plate to say you'll maintain a package, but don't, *you* get dumped from bugzilla. I was about to suggest

Re: Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:33 AM Bill Shirley wrote: > For years I've installed akmod-xtables-addons with no problems. Not so with > Fedora 32. > It has a build error (excerpt): I am not familiar with this particular akmod. However, there should be a build log in /var/cache/akmods somewhere.

Re: Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:36 AM Bill Shirley wrote: > Build log attached. It shows that nothing was built. Take a look at the "Executing(%build)" part. There is a make invocation, followed by nothing. Stan is probably right; the change from iptables to nftables may have broken this module.

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Roger Heflin
Lets follow the removing the maintainers if they don't respond to BZ'.s So we remove maintainers, we don't get a replacement maintainer and then after a few times of unmaintained packages, we remove the packages. Repeat until we have no packages except the most basic packages. Everyone seems

Re: f31 :: sd card not accesible

2020-05-28 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 5/28/20 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/28/20 2:24 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: Hi! I have a very strange situaion with a sandisk extreme sd card: while in windows i can use it just fine in f31 i have the following: lsblk shows : NAME    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT mmcblk0

Re: Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread Bill Shirley
Build log attached. It cleans up the /tmp directory: $ ls /tmp crontab.wVcyKK~ systemd-private-d1e60303890a4d22a4daf097e979ca6f-bluetooth.service-Tw72Bg systemd-private-d1e60303890a4d22a4daf097e979ca6f-chronyd.service-icD9Ah

Re: Workspaces lost -

2020-05-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-28 22:29, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I removed a mysterious blank area on the panel and all my workspaces went > with it. I have not been able to restore them with the Panel Preferences GUI.  > Changes there are ignored. > > Apparently it needs the workspaces restored first and I have no

Re: f31 :: sd card not accesible

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 2:24 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: Hi! I have a very strange situaion with a sandisk extreme sd card: while in windows i can use it just fine in f31 i have the following: lsblk shows : NAME    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT mmcblk0 179:0    0  59.5G  0 disk dmesg says: [ 

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Andras Simon
2020-05-28 13:30 UTC+02:00, Patrick O'Callaghan : > On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 18:08 +0930, Tim via users wrote: [...] >> Perhaps there should be an automated culling of participants. If you >> step up the plate to say you'll maintain a package, but don't, *you* >> get dumped from bugzilla. > > I

Re: Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread stan via users
On Thu, 28 May 2020 08:32:23 -0400 Bill Shirley wrote: > For years I've installed akmod-xtables-addons with no problems. Not > so with Fedora 32. It has a build error (excerpt): > [..] > Processing files: > kmod-xtables-addons-5.6.12-300.fc32.x86_64-3.9-1.fc32.x86_64 error: > Directory not

Workspaces lost -

2020-05-28 Thread Bob Goodwin
I removed a mysterious blank area on the panel and all my workspaces went with it. I have not been able to restore them with the Panel Preferences GUI. Changes there are ignored. Apparently it needs the workspaces restored first and I have no idea how to do that. This updated Fedora 32

Re: Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread stan via users
On Thu, 28 May 2020 08:54:41 -0600 Jerry James wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:36 AM Bill Shirley > wrote: > > Build log attached. > > It shows that nothing was built. Take a look at the > "Executing(%build)" part. There is a make invocation, followed by > nothing. Stan is probably

Re: Fedora 32: Anyone have success building akmod-xtables-addons ?

2020-05-28 Thread Bill Shirley
Stan, thanks for your reply and your time.  You too, Jerry. I'm using Shorewall and iptables instead of firewalld.  I've used this for years. nftables configuration seems overly verbose to me. I created a rpmfusion bugzilla. https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5662 Bill On

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Andras Simon
2020-05-28 15:00 UTC+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : > Please do yourself a favor and check which packages and which packages > you talking about. As I wrote before, there are obvious patterns, but we > all know the people in charge are not interested. Wouldn't it be simpler if you told us, instead of

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Perhaps there should be an automated culling of participants. If >> you step up the plate to say you'll maintain a package, but don't, >> *you* get dumped from bugzilla. Patrick O'Callaghan: > I was about to suggest something similar. Not necessarily dumping > them from BZ but removing

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2020-05-29 at 00:55 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > Tim: > > > Perhaps there should be an automated culling of participants. If > > > you step up the plate to say you'll maintain a package, but don't, > > > *you* get dumped from bugzilla. > > Patrick O'Callaghan: > > I was about to suggest

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 05:01:19PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I didn't say to remove the packages, but to mark them as "unmaintained" > (assuming there is such a mechanism). There is a process to orphan packages, but it is a process started by the maintainer. Periodically, you can see

Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 27 May 2020, George N. White III wrote: https://www.systutorials.com/configuration-of-linux-kernel-video-mode/ has an incantation (from 2015) to display available video modes. Got it. vbeinfo notices several resolutions at at least two resolutions each: 1920 x 1440 at 8 or 16 bits

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 10:58 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: Some I did a clean install. New Hard disk, and install from iso. Usually, that takes about 1/2 hour for whole process. Including install of OS, and then install of a number of other packages I use that are not installed by default. If

Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 1:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote: livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd Replace the sdd with your USB drive, this will completely wipe the drive. Put the name of

Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
I've got 5 Fedora machines at my house. Recently upgraded a couple since FC30 was becoming EOL. Some I did a clean install. New Hard disk, and install from iso. Usually, that takes about 1/2 hour for whole process. Including install of OS, and then install of a number of other packages I use

Re: f31 :: sd card not accesible

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 10:07 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: On 5/28/20 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: What is the "lspci" line for your sd card reader? 01:00.0 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01) Subsystem: Lenovo Device 3824 Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci Kernel modules:

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 1:43 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: On 28 May 2020 at 11:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/28/20 10:58 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: Did update on my notebook machine as well using dnf system update. This system has some more packages installed. Showed 5070 versus about 2000+

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Roger Heflin
Both spinning disks? No SSD's involved? On the upgrade it will have to read the packages from disk and then write them back to the same disk at a different location as files, this will cause a lot of extra seeking (maybe 2x slower here) The laptop drive may be a lower RPM than the other machine

Re: Workspaces lost -

2020-05-28 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 2020-05-28 10:47, Ed Greshko wrote: Are you saying that if you went to "Backup and Restore" and pick Xfce 4.14 and then click on the gear icon in the lower left, nothing happens? ° Well, not exactly, /did not know of that backup. All I ever did there was select the 4.12 version. After

Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote: livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd Replace the sdd with your USB drive, this will completely wipe the drive. Put the name of whatever iso image you're using instead of the

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
On 28 May 2020 at 13:37, Roger Heflin wrote: From: Roger Heflin Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:37:28 -0500 Subject:Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install? To: Community support for Fedora users

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
On 28 May 2020 at 11:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: Subject:Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install? To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org From: Samuel Sieb Date sent: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:40:39 -0700 Send reply

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 28 May 2020 18:08:48 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > Perhaps there should be an automated culling of participants. If you > step up the plate to say you'll maintain a package, but don't, *you* > get dumped from bugzilla. Please let's not create a thread of doom. You can't seriously

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 9:19 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: It's quite possible that Suvayu Ali is one of the many users that cannot install Fedora 31, because it doesn't work on their hardware. Fedora 30 was the last release to support i686, so many users are now stuck there forever, unless they move to

Re: Fedora 30 EOL

2020-05-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:30:11 AM MST Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:18:48 +, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > > > As of the 26th of May 2020, Fedora 30 has reached its end of life for > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1742960 > > > > Lately all my bug

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-29 01:58, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > I've got 5 Fedora machines at my house. Recently > upgraded a couple since FC30 was becoming EOL. > > Some I did a clean install. New Hard disk, and install > from iso. Usually, that takes about 1/2 hour for whole > process. Including

Re: Question on difference between dnf upgrade versus clean install?

2020-05-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/28/20 7:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: I do not know why your upgrade would have taken so long.  I just upgraded an F30 VM to F32.  It is a pretty vanilla Workstation install.  The VM's disks are actually hosted on a NAS over nfs and are traditional spinning HW. I upgraded via "dnf

Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 28 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote: I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using. Assuming it's workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with "WaylandEnable=false". Then reboot and see what happens. 'Twas only in the first post: On Sun, 24 May 2020,

Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

2020-05-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 28 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote: I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using. Assuming it's workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with "WaylandEnable=false". Then reboot and see what happens.